Female Speaker: Children struggling every day with ADHD.
Female Speaker: Scott's allergies made it hard to keep up with his friends.
Female Speaker: Allergic reactions from accidental food exposure
Female Speaker: Moderate to severe eczema
Female Speaker: Plaque psoriasis
Female Speaker: Rheumatoid arthritis
Female Speaker: Food allergies
Female Speaker: Allergies
Male Speaker: Seizures
Female Speaker: Asthma
Male Speaker: Eczema
Female Speaker: IBS
Male Speaker: Lupus
Female Speaker: Eczema and ADHD
Robert Kennedy Jr, HHS Secretary: We are now the sickest country in the world.
Female News Correspondent: The health of American children is in crisis.
Female News Correspondent: A huge rise in chronic conditions
Female News Correspondent: in kids 17 and under
Donald Trump, 45th and 47th President of the United States of America: More than 40% of American children now have
Donald Trump, 45th and 47th President of the United States of America: at least one chronic health condition
Robert Kennedy Jr, HHS Secretary: Autoimmune diseases like rheumatoid arthritis,
Robert Kennedy Jr, HHS Secretary: Juvenile diabetes
Robert Kennedy Jr, HHS Secretary: Lupus, Crohn's disease. All this. IBS.
Female Speaker: I had eczema, asthma, Allergies, stomach issues.
Donald Trump, 45th and 47th President of the United States of America: This is, to me, the one that gets me.
Donald Trump, 45th and 47th President of the United States of America: Just a few decades ago, 1 in 10,000 children had autism.
Donald Trump, 45th and 47th President of the United States of America: Today it's 1 in 31.
Robert Kennedy Jr, HHS Secretary: ADD, ADHD, speech delay,
Robert Kennedy Jr, HHS Secretary: language, tics, Tourette syndrome,
Robert Kennedy Jr, HHS Secretary: narcolepsy, sleep disorders,
Robert Kennedy Jr, HHS Secretary: ASD, autism.
Speaker12: But there's no way in the world that these
Speaker12: kind of rapid increases in the incidence of disease
Speaker12: could be genetic.
Speaker12: Genetic change takes generations centuries to play out.
Speaker13: What's really causing our kids of this generation
Speaker13: to be so chronically sick?
Del Bigtree, Investigative Journalist, CEO, Informed Consent Action Network: What the heck is happening?
Del Bigtree, Investigative Journalist, CEO, Informed Consent Action Network: America is the sickest nation in the industrialized world.
Del Bigtree, Investigative Journalist, CEO, Informed Consent Action Network: It is now believed that over 54% of our kids
Del Bigtree, Investigative Journalist, CEO, Informed Consent Action Network: have a chronic disease.
Del Bigtree, Investigative Journalist, CEO, Informed Consent Action Network: Either a neurological disorder
Del Bigtree, Investigative Journalist, CEO, Informed Consent Action Network: Or an autoimmune disease.
Del Bigtree, Investigative Journalist, CEO, Informed Consent Action Network: That's up from only 12.8% back in the 1980s
Del Bigtree, Investigative Journalist, CEO, Informed Consent Action Network: In roughly 40 years, we have seen the greatest decline
Del Bigtree, Investigative Journalist, CEO, Informed Consent Action Network: in human health ever recorded.
Speaker16: There he is.
Del Bigtree, Investigative Journalist, CEO, Informed Consent Action Network: What if I told you there is a study that
Del Bigtree, Investigative Journalist, CEO, Informed Consent Action Network: could shed light on this chronic disease epidemic
Speaker15: but no major medical institution
Speaker15: seemed willing to do it.
Speaker15: What if I told you there was one scientist
Speaker15: brave enough to conduct this study?
Speaker17: How ya doing, Marc. Good to see you.
Speaker16: Nice to see you.
Speaker17: Absolutely. Good
Speaker15: What if I told you that when the study was finished
Speaker15: that scientist was too afraid to publish it?
Speaker15: What would you do?
Speaker15: Maybe you would do what I did.
Speaker15: I got hidden cameras and recording equipment,
Speaker15: and I went to ask him why.
Female Speaker: Thank you. You're very welcome.
Speaker18: Cool. You all dined with us before?
Speaker19: I want to show you a video.
Speaker19: Okay.
Curious of what your reaction to this.
Okay.
Speaker19: Just hit play here.
Speaker19: Yep.
Go ahead and press play there.
Speaker20: What was the most shocking thing?
Speaker20: Because, I mean, I know what I've seen.
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: No, no, I thought it was important.
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: It was. It's important information because.
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: You know, it did show a difference between the groups.
Speaker22: We have some serious issues.
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: No,I actually agree with that.
Speaker22: If I can't get the study out then what hope
Speaker22: is there for every kid in the future?
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: I don't want to say it's not the right thing to do.
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: It's the right thing to do.
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: But the, uh. I just don't wanna.
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: I mean, honestly, like. Really emotional.
Speaker12: Sick. It's really. Sick.
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: Publishing something like that.
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: Might as well, uh, retire.
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: I'd be finished.
Speaker19: So who is that guy?
Speaker12: Zervos. Probably going to lose his job over this.
Speaker15: You know, I'm thinking before we get into the
Speaker15: hidden cameras and the study and
Speaker15: Dr. Zervos and all that, why don't we just take
Speaker15: it all the way back to how this actually started?
Speaker24: Yeah. Please welcome down to the.
Del Bigtree, Investigative Journalist, CEO, Informed Consent Action Network: I've been a medical journalist for almost
Speaker15: 20 years now. My first ten years was at CBS,
Speaker15: and the last eight years or so I've had
my internet news show called The HighWire.
Speaker15: Good morning, good afternoon, good evening,
Speaker15: wherever you are.
But the biggest change in my career
Speaker15: happened when I produced a documentary
Speaker15: about vaccinations called VAXXED.
Speaker15: And at the center of that documentary
was a whistleblower from the CDC named
Doctor William Thompson.
Speaker15: He came forward in 2015
And said that they were committing
scientific fraud on vaccine safety studies
Speaker15: Well, that film blew up and
Speaker15: became a worldwide sensation,
Speaker15: Mostly because we got so much bad press,
Speaker15: starting with being kicked
out of the Tribeca Film Festival.
Speaker25: The decision to run a controversial
Speaker25: documentary about vaccines has Robert De Niro
Speaker25: at the center of a big screen backlash.
Speaker26: Tonight, the film festival Robert De Niro
Speaker26: started under fire, a controversial new film
Speaker26: that many are characterizing as anti-vaccine.
Speaker27: I think the movie is something that people should see.
Speaker27: There was a backlash,
Speaker27: which I haven't fully explored.
Speaker27: I want to know the truth.
Speaker27: And I'm not anti-vaccine.
Speaker27: I want safe vaccines.
Speaker28: Vaxxed producer Del Bigtree says canceling
Speaker28: the screening amounts to a suppression of the truth
Speaker29: I can't imagine what type of pressure came
Speaker29: down that would make them pull a movie that
Speaker29: they were obviously behind in the beginning.
Speaker26: The message from the medical community is clear
Speaker26: This is one of those scientific questions
Speaker30: that where science has provided an answer.
Speaker15: Vaxxed ended up being one of the most
Speaker15: controversial documentaries in history.
Speaker15: And because of that, there were lines down
Speaker15: the block everywhere we went.
Speaker15: Look at this crowd behind me.
Look at this line. Goes on and on and on.
Speaker15: In fact, the very first day we screened at
Speaker15: Angelika Film Center in New York,
Speaker15: I wanted to know why there's this
Speaker15: giant line down the block.
Speaker15: What do these people here for?
Speaker15: Can every parent or someone you know?
Speaker15: If you have a family member with autism,
Speaker15: would you please stand up right now?
I'd like to see.
Three quarters of the room stood up.
Speaker15: I remember feeling like the air just got
Speaker15: sucked out of the room.
Speaker15: I had no idea that there was this many people
Speaker15: suffering from this issue.
Speaker15: I ended up asking that question.
Speaker15: Three screenings a day,
Speaker15: five days a week for an entire year.
Speaker15: And every single time.
Three quarters of the room stood up.
I realized I had stumbled on
Speaker15: something absolutely massive.
Christine Stabell Benn, Professor of Global Health, University of Southern Denmark: Hello, everybody. This is Jamie.
Christine Stabell Benn, Professor of Global Health, University of Southern Denmark: Jamie, can you guys both tell us your names?
Speaker32: I'm Stephanie.
Christine Stabell Benn, Professor of Global Health, University of Southern Denmark: And this is Zion.
Speaker15: After the screenings,
parents have injured children.
Where inspired to tell their own stories.
Speaker15: We set up video cameras and started
Speaker15: interviewing everybody that wanted to talk.
Speaker15: And what I discovered is.
It wasn't just autism.
And it wasn't just the MMR vaccine.
Speaker15: There was an ocean of vaccine injury
Speaker15: and nobody was talking about it.
Speaker6: Doctor says, well, do you want the flu vaccine?
Speaker6: I was like, might as well do it now.
Speaker33: I gave in, I did polio.
Speaker32: I gave her the hep B vax.
Speaker32: She got the two month shots.
Speaker6: DTAP. The MMR vaccine.
Speaker32: By 10:30 that morning.
Speaker32: And. She was arching her back,
Speaker32: clenching her fists.
Speaker32: I didn't think I was going to cry.
Speaker33: That night we were in the hospital.
With the 106 degree fever
Speaker33: She began to projectile vomit.
Speaker34: He began to this loud pitch.
Speaker32: Scream.
Like that's when the blood
Speaker32: curdling scream started.
Speaker32: I did not lay down for ten months straight.
Speaker32: Um, because she would she would vomit
and asphyxiate.
She would vomit at night,
Speaker32: and she would lie there while she was asleep
Speaker32: and she would choke on it.
Speaker35: So we had that vaccination.
Speaker35: He lost all language.
Speaker36: He just stopped talking.
Speaker33: He wasn't talking. He didn't want to nurse.
Speaker32: He went to not talking at all.
Speaker32: He was developing really well
Speaker32: except for motor skills.
Speaker37: He's got chronic allergies.
Speaker33: And eczema, rash.
Speaker32: Food protein into colitis syndrome.
Speaker32: She couldn't eat anything on the
Glycemic index that was too high.
GI symptoms.
Speaker37: He started to have gut inflammation,
Speaker37: chronic snoring.
Speaker32: Sleep apnea.
Speaker36: Some seizure like activity.
Speaker6: We woke up. She just.
Speaker6: left the earth
Christine Stabell Benn, Professor of Global Health, University of Southern Denmark: She died in your arms?
Speaker6: Yeah.
Speaker32: I continued to vaccinate her
And make her worse and make her sicker.
Speaker34: The guilt and the.
Speaker34: It's so overwhelming.
Speaker6: They killed my daughter.
Speaker15: Clearly, this was a bigger issue
than anybody realized.
But there was one particular interview
Speaker15: that we did that really
Speaker15: changed my perspective forever.
Speaker38: Colton was a 13 year old,
Speaker38: healthy, strong boy.
Speaker38: He loved anything that has to do with an
Speaker38: adrenaline rush. Motocross was his passion.
Speaker38: The doctor says, hey, he's the age that you
Speaker38: should get the HPV vaccine.
Speaker38: I said. Okay, so he was administered the
Speaker38: vaccine and then this is the last day he got
Speaker38: to ride that big boy bike.
Speaker38: And that day he came home,
Speaker38: he was starting to feel nauseous.
Speaker38: Really sore neck.
Speaker38: He still didn't want to get out of bed.
Speaker38: I just thought, man, you're just really weak
Speaker38: and exhausted. And, uh, that evening
Speaker38: when he sat up to take a drink of water
Speaker38: he just flopped back and his his
Speaker38: head just hit the pillow and I went,
Speaker38: Colton, are you going paralyzed?
Speaker38: They immediately took him down to Primary
Speaker38: Children's Hospital in Salt Lake.
Speaker38: Original diagnosis was transverse myelitis.
Speaker38: When the doctor came out and asked me,
Speaker38: has he been sick?
Speaker38: I said, no, he hasn't been sick.
Speaker38: He had the HPV vaccine on February 1st and
Speaker38: they went, oh, well, um,
Speaker38: we'll be reporting that to VAERS.
Speaker38: It does suck.
Like not being able to play sports anymore.
Um, now I have.
Speaker39: To sit on the sideline,
Speaker39: just watch everybody.
Gotta do your research.
Speaker39: Like you don't.
Speaker39: Can't just trust a doctor anymore.
And do your own ways to.
Find out what's best for you.
Speaker15: Unfortunately, Colton ended up taking his
Speaker15: life in 2018 because he believed he'd become
Speaker15: too much of a burden on his family.
Speaker15: But the thing I remember about standing there
Speaker15: and watching that interview taking place,
Speaker15: my co-producer, Polly Tommy,
Speaker15: was doing the interview,
Speaker15: was this box that was hanging on his side
Speaker15: that was breathing for him,
Speaker15: and it went through a tube that was going
Speaker15: through a hole in his throat,
Speaker15: and he literally had to wait for it to fill
Speaker15: his lungs with air before
He could answer a question.
So he'd go.
And then he would start
Speaker15: answering the question
until he ran out of air
Speaker15: I thought about all of the people that
Speaker15: accused these so-called anti-vaxxers of
Speaker15: bringing back polio, or the iron lung.
Speaker40: Once vaccination rates fall,
Speaker40: you're going to have a lot of people getting
Speaker40: sick and a lot of children paralyzed for the
Speaker40: rest of their life with polio.
Speaker15: I thought, he's wearing an iron lung.
Speaker15: You're not laying in a metal tube anymore.
Speaker15: They've reduced it down to a box that hangs
Speaker15: on your side and a hose that goes
Speaker15: through your throat.
But in this case,
Speaker15: he wasn't paralyzed because he had polio.
Speaker15: He wasn't paralyzed
Because he didn't vaccinate
Speaker15: he was paralyzed by the Gardasil HPV vaccine.
Speaker41: I chose to get my daughter vaccinated because
Speaker41: I want her to be one less woman affected by
Speaker41: cervical cancer.
Speaker42: One less. Gardasil.
Speaker15: Then I went home and started looking up all
Speaker15: of the inserts, the warning labels that are
Speaker15: wrapped around all of the childhood vaccines.
Speaker15: And most of them say it right there in
Speaker15: serious adverse events.
Guillain-Barré syndrome.
That's paralysis or transverse myelitis.
Paralysis.
Speaker15: And I realize.
Speaker43: Polio vaccine is a success.
We didn't eradicate paralytic diseases
Speaker15: with the vaccine program.
Speaker43: The vaccine works.
Speaker15: We're causing paralytic diseases
Speaker15: with our vaccine program.
Speaker15: So as we travel the country,
Speaker15: some parents would come up and say,
Speaker15: I'm about to have a baby.
I'm definitely not going to
Speaker15: get the MMR vaccine because your movie
shows that that one's dangerous.
But what about the other 16 vaccines
Speaker15: that are given in 72 doses
Speaker15: by the time my child is 18.
Speaker15: And I'd say I only have anecdotal evidence
Speaker15: from the thousands of interviews I've done
Speaker15: that not a single childhood vaccine is safe.
Speaker15: But that's not scientific.
Speaker15: I wanted something better.
Speaker15: I wanted to get to the bottom of this.
Speaker15: So I started a nonprofit called the
Speaker15: Informed Consent Action Network,
Speaker15: based on the Nuremberg codes.
Speaker15: Right to voluntary consent.
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: The German air force.
Speaker15: The ethical principle globally agreed upon in
Speaker15: the wake of the Nazi doctor's horrifying
Speaker15: human experiments.
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: Of inmates concentration camps for
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: experimental purposes.
Speaker15: Where it states the voluntary consent of the
Speaker15: human subject is absolutely essential and
Speaker15: there should be no element of force,
Speaker15: fraud, deceit, duress or overreaching or
Speaker15: other ulterior form of constraint or coercion
Speaker15: What I wanted to do was investigate
Speaker15: the entire vaccine program.
Speaker15: I was really focused on one thing.
Speaker15: We hear that vaccines are safe.
Speaker5: Safe.
Speaker15: Safe and effective.
Speaker45: Effective, effective, effective.
Speaker15: But before we even worry about
Speaker15: if they're effective,
How did we determine they're safe?
Speaker15: We started looking at all the science
Speaker15: around the world, but we hit a big roadblock.
Speaker15: You can't sue a manufacturer of a vaccine.
Speaker15: It's one of the only products in America that
Speaker15: has what they call liability protection.
Speaker15: The reason is because of a law that was
Speaker15: passed in 1986 by the US government.
Speaker15: The pharmaceutical industry basically
Speaker15: blackmailed the government,
Speaker15: and they said, we are losing so much money
Speaker15: from lawsuits for death and injury from our
Speaker15: vaccines, we can't make a profit.
Speaker46: Studies have shown that the whooping cough or
Speaker46: pertussis vaccine causes brain damage.
Speaker46: The controversy isn't really over the fact
Speaker46: that it happens, but how often it happens.
Speaker15: And they said, if you want us to continue
Speaker15: making vaccines, you're going to have to take
Speaker15: on the liability.
Speaker15: And our government agreed to that.
Speaker15: If you want to sue or you want to get any
Speaker15: information outside of what's publicly known,
Speaker15: you're going to have to sue the government.
Speaker15: And that's when I realized I need a
Speaker15: constitutional attorney.
Speaker15: And I found a guy named Aaron Siri.
Dr. Peter Aaby, Expert on Vaccination Campaigns in Developing Countries: Mr. Siri, you're not a medical doctor,
Dr. Peter Aaby, Expert on Vaccination Campaigns in Developing Countries: are you?
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: No, sir.
Dr. Peter Aaby, Expert on Vaccination Campaigns in Developing Countries: And you're not an immunologist or biologist
Dr. Peter Aaby, Expert on Vaccination Campaigns in Developing Countries: or any kind of.
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: Or vaccinologist? No, but I depose them
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: regularly, including the world's leading
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: ones, with regards to vaccines.
And I have to make my claims
based on actual evidence.
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: When I go to court with
Regards to vaccines, I don't get to
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: rely on titles.
Speaker45: Okay.
Speaker15: He had a genius way forward.
Speaker15: We're going to sue the government agencies
Speaker15: HHS, FDA, NIH, and we started winning.
Speaker15: And what did we prove in those lawsuits?
Speaker15: That the entire science
behind vaccine safety was nothing
Speaker15: but a complete fraud.
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: Doctors used to listen to parents.
When their parents came in and said, hey
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: my kid is suffering with this condition
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: has this issue.
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: Doctors listen to them.
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: But when parents started coming in and saying,
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: my kid wen t in and got a vaccine and then
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: started having X issue,
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: that's when doctors stopped listening.
Speaker49: Hi, how you doing? We have triplets,
Speaker49: two boys and a girl,
Ritchie, Robbie and Claire.
Every day in our life was a party
Speaker49: Every single day they were
Speaker49: smiling and laughing and looking at
Speaker49: each other, engaging in each other.
Speaker49: On June 25th, 2007, we brought
Speaker49: them in for the pneumococcal shot.
Speaker49: My daughter still has the
Speaker49: mark on her leg from the shot.
She was the first one to get it
Speaker49: and she screamed and never really stopped
Speaker49: screaming after that.
Speaker49: But we continue. We didn't know.
We did the boys as well.
By noon, Claire shut completely off.
Speaker49: It was as if she was blind and deaf,
Speaker49: and all she did at that moment
was stare at the ceiling fan.
Speaker49: So that was at noon.
Speaker49: We had the shot at 10 a.m.,
Speaker49: 2:00. We watched Richie shut off.
Speaker49: They lost all their reflexes.
Speaker49: Um, I'm an educational audiologist.
Speaker49: I actually did the test for the stapedial
Speaker49: reflex, which is a little muscle in the
Speaker49: middle ear, just to see if a muscle they
Speaker49: can't control was still working,
Speaker49: and it didn't.
Speaker49: The stapedial reflex dampens sounds,
Speaker49: so your ears don't hurt from a
Speaker49: really loud sound.
And both of them had no stapedial reflex
Speaker49: They stopped blinking.
Speaker49: Stop yawning. Stop coughing.
Speaker49: Stop sneezing.
Speaker50: The worst is when we saw the final one shut down
Speaker50: we were told it was genetic,
Speaker50: and then we were told by geneticists that
Speaker50: there's no possible way three children was
Speaker50: shut off on the same day.
Speaker50: So we had severe autism,
Speaker50: um, spectrum disorder for all three kids
Speaker50: entering kindergarten.
Speaker50: We have spent hundreds of thousands of
Speaker50: dollars trying to recover them.
Speaker50: The only person that we got back is Richard
Speaker50: Robbie. Um, the one that was
last to shut off
Speaker50: Richie can. Only say single.
Speaker50: Maybe two words. Together.
Speaker50: Claire is still completely.
Speaker49: Non-verbal, not potty trained,
Speaker49: and Robbie is approaching
Speaker49: Grade level, but severe OCD.
Speaker19: Let me tell you what a day in our life is.
Speaker19: So you got, say, a six or 7 or 8 year old
Speaker19: child who's not potty trained
Speaker19: and a 2 or 3 4:00 in the morning.
Speaker19: They fill their diaper.
Speaker19: Well, you assume that's pretty uncomfortable,
Speaker19: so they take it off pretty soon.
Speaker19: Pretty soon it's all over them.
Speaker19: It's all over the bed in short order.
Speaker19: It's all over me. It's all over her.
Speaker6: Mhm.
Speaker19: Uh, I'm snapping at her.
Speaker19: She's snapping at me.
Speaker19: We're both snapping at the kid who is the
Speaker19: only innocent party in the whole scenario.
Speaker19: And the one thing that's conspicuously absent
Speaker19: from that scenario is,
Speaker19: uh, is anybody who told you that shot was
Speaker19: safe? They're all asleep in their bed.
Speaker19: They haven't got a problem in the world.
Speaker15: This one story of Ritchie,
Speaker15: Robbie and Claire puts an end to any
Speaker15: discussion that autism is only caused by
Speaker15: genetics. There is no genetic explanation
Speaker15: that would turn three brothers and sisters
Speaker15: off on the exact same day.
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: What you should do
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: When there are widespread complaints that a
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: product is causing a given harm,
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: is you should study it.
Robert Kennedy Jr, HHS Secretary: Vaccines should be tested
Robert Kennedy Jr, HHS Secretary: like other medicines.
It should be safety tested.
Robert Kennedy Jr, HHS Secretary: And unfortunately,
vaccines are not Safety tested.
Of the 72 vaccine doses now mandated,
Robert Kennedy Jr, HHS Secretary: essentially mandated or recommended,
Robert Kennedy Jr, HHS Secretary: but they're really mandated
Robert Kennedy Jr, HHS Secretary: for American children.
None of them,
Not one, has ever been subject to a
Robert Kennedy Jr, HHS Secretary: Pre-licensing placebo controlled trial.
Speaker15: Health and Human Services Secretary
Robert Kennedy Jr has been torn apart
By mainstream Media for saying that
there is no placebo
Speaker15: trials being done for vaccines.
Speaker15: But he's right.
It's exactly what we found in
Speaker15: our lawsuits against the government.
Speaker15: Not a single childhood vaccine is going
Speaker15: through a double blind,
Speaker15: randomized, placebo controlled trial
Speaker15: prior to licensure.
That's the gold standard of safety
Speaker15: testing for all pharmaceutical products,
Speaker15: but is being skipped for vaccines.
Speaker15: In case you forgot how a double blind,
Speaker15: placebo based trial worked,
Speaker15: as we discussed it back in high school
Speaker15: science class, let me remind you,
Speaker15: we break up a group of kids into two groups.
Speaker15: One group is going to get the vaccine,
Speaker15: the other group is going to get a placebo,
Speaker15: which is a product that has no effect on the
Speaker15: human body when it comes to an injectable
Speaker15: like vaccines, that is a saline injection.
Speaker15: Then it's called double blinded because both
Speaker15: the scientists and the patients are blinded
Speaker15: from knowing which one they got.
Speaker15: Did they get the vaccine?
Or did they get the placebo?
This is so that the scientists will
Speaker15: not manipulate the study in favor of the
Speaker15: pharmaceutical industry. That will stand to
Speaker15: make a lot of money. If this vaccine proves
Speaker15: to be safe. Then we track these two groups
Speaker15: for 2 to 5 years, sometimes as long as ten
Speaker15: years, for a lot of drugs.
Speaker15: And at the end of that study,
Speaker15: we unblind both the patient and the scientist
Speaker15: so we look at both groups,
Speaker15: the vaccinated and the placebo group,
Speaker15: and we compare their health outcomes.
Speaker15: Who had more cancer, who had more diabetes or
Speaker15: Add, ADHD or autism or Tourette's or lupus or
Speaker15: multiple sclerosis, all of these things that
Speaker15: are currently skyrocketing in the
Speaker15: United States of America.
Speaker15: And if when you compare them,
Speaker15: they both turn out the same.
Speaker15: There's the same amount of issues in the
Speaker15: vaccinated group as in the placebo group.
Speaker15: Then you know it's safe.
Speaker15: If you established what we call a safety baseline
Speaker15: But if the vaccinated group has
Speaker15: more issues than the placebo group than we know
Speaker15: it's not safe and it shouldn't be put
Speaker15: on the market. Only one problem.
Speaker15: Not a single vaccine on the childhood
Speaker15: schedule has ever been through a double
Speaker15: blind, placebo based trial.
Speaker15: Therefore, they cannot say the vaccines are
Speaker15: safe based on science.
Speaker12: Are all vaccine trials placebo controlled?
Speaker12: No. And or should they be.
Speaker12: So, for example, when Prevnar 13.
Speaker12: So Prevnar was a conjugate pneumococcal vaccine
Speaker12: the fda has approved a new
Speaker40: Pneumococcal vaccine.
Speaker12: It had to be tested in the phase three trial.
Speaker12: And so the the control group there
Speaker12: was Prevnar seven and had been shown to work.
Speaker45: It will replace Prevnar which was effective
Speaker45: against seven serotypes.
Speaker12: You can't ask parents to to take to put their
Speaker12: children at risk of pneumococcal disease when
Speaker12: there existed on the market at the time,
Speaker12: a vaccine to prevent that.
Speaker12: And the World Health Organization has been
Speaker12: very clear on this that would have been
Speaker12: considered an unethical trial.
Speaker15: Doctor Paul Offit is one of the big
Speaker15: proponents of vaccinations,
Speaker15: probably because he's made a vaccine and made
Speaker15: a killing off of it. The rotavirus vaccines
Speaker15: on the childhood schedule.
Speaker12: It doesn't matter whether I financially
Speaker12: benefited or not.
Speaker15: He likes to go around and say,
Speaker15: well, we can't always do placebo trials,
Speaker15: especially if there's already a vaccine that
Speaker15: covers that disease.
Speaker15: So he'll use an example like Prevnar 13.
Speaker15: Prevnar 13, in its safety trial was tested
Speaker15: against Prevnar seven,
Speaker15: the earlier version of the vaccine.
Speaker15: And he'll say you cannot test Prevnar 13
Speaker15: against a saline placebo
Because it would be unethical.
You'd be denying children access
Speaker15: to a vaccine that is already on the market,
Speaker15: and that's not fair to them.
Speaker15: But what he leaves out is that Prevnar seven
Speaker15: was never tested against a saline placebo,
Speaker15: so we don't know if it's safe.
Speaker15: So we're testing one product we don't know
Speaker15: the safety profile on with another product we
Speaker15: don't know the safety profile on,
Speaker15: and this is how the entire vaccine schedule works
Speaker15: I like to call this the whiskey study.
Speaker15: Let me explain. Let's say there's a group of
Speaker15: people that are complaining that whiskey is
Speaker15: making people drunk, and they're crashing
Speaker15: their cars, and people are getting killed.
Speaker15: Now, in order to test,
Speaker15: does whiskey cause car accidents,
Speaker15: you would set up a double blind placebo trial
Speaker15: One group, the test group would get
Speaker15: the ten shots of whiskey.
Speaker15: The other group, the placebo group would get
Speaker15: ten shots of water.
Speaker15: And then we'd have them both drive on a
Speaker15: driving course and see who has more accidents
Speaker15: It's obvious,
Speaker15: but in this case, the whiskey company is the
Speaker15: one doing the study.
Speaker15: And what they say is, oh,
Speaker15: we're going to do a placebo based trial,
Speaker15: but our placebo based trial is not going to be water
Speaker15: It'll be vodka.
Speaker15: Another product already on the market.
Speaker15: And so ten people get the whiskey shots and
Speaker15: ten people get the vodka shots.
Speaker15: And they had them all drive and guess what?
Speaker15: They had just as many car accidents.
Speaker15: Therefore, whiskey does not cause car
Speaker15: accidents because it didn't cause any more
Speaker15: than the vodka did.
Speaker15: And so to take this all the way to the end of
Speaker15: Doctor Paul Offit's point,
Speaker15: if vodka had ever been tested against ten
Speaker15: shots of water and there was no car accidents
Speaker15: in the vodka group, then it would make sense
Speaker15: to test the whiskey against the vodka.
Speaker15: But we all know that study was never done.
Speaker15: Just like no
vaccine placebo study
was ever done
Speaker15: All you have to do is type in FDA
Speaker15: licensed vaccines on your computer,
Speaker15: and every vaccine that they give your child
Speaker15: on the childhood schedule will appear there.
Speaker15: And then you can click on any one you're
Speaker15: interested in. Let's click on Recombivax hb
Speaker15: this is one of the hepatitis B vaccines
Speaker15: they give your baby on the first day of life.
Speaker15: Hello! Welcome to the world.
Speaker15: Gasp for your first breath and here comes
Speaker15: your first sexually transmitted disease.
Speaker15: Now go to vaccine insert.
Speaker15: This is the insert or the warning label that
Speaker15: is wrapped around the vaccine when it's
Speaker15: delivered to your doctor.
Speaker15: It has all kinds of information like what's
Speaker15: in the vaccine, all the ingredients,
Speaker15: side effects of the vaccine.
Speaker15: But I want you to focus on section 6.1.
Speaker15: This is where they talk about the clinical
Speaker15: trial they relied upon to establish safety.
Speaker15: It's always 6.1 on every single vaccine.
Speaker15: So you can look at all of them.
Speaker15: But in this one you'll see that there was
Speaker15: only 147 children in the entire trial,
Speaker15: and they were only monitored for five days
Speaker15: after each dose, five days.
Speaker15: So think about it.
Would you take any drug
Speaker15: that was only monitored
for safety for five days
Speaker15: If your child dies on day six,
Speaker15: it wasn't captured by this trial.
Speaker15: They'll say we didn't see any deaths.
Speaker15: If a child had autism two years later,
Speaker15: or other autoimmune diseases or neurological
Speaker15: disorders, things that take years to develop.
Speaker15: They'll say, we didn't see any in our trial.
Speaker15: This is why every drug we take goes through a
Speaker15: multi-year safety trial.
Speaker15: Most of your issues are going to take years
Speaker15: to develop, and if your study isn't that
Speaker15: long, you'll never, ever see them.
Speaker15: We had an interesting opportunity to talk
Speaker15: about this with Doctor Stanley Plotkin,
Speaker15: who's considered to be the reigning godfather
Speaker15: of our vaccine program.
Dr. Peter Aaby, Expert on Vaccination Campaigns in Developing Countries: Doctor Stan Plotkin.
Speaker12: Doctor Plotkin.
Speaker15: Virtually every country in the world,
is affected by his vaccines.
Speaker13: Like the rubella vaccine,
Speaker13: the rotavirus vaccine,
Speaker13: rabies.
Speaker12: He trained just a generation of scientists,
Speaker12: including myself, to think like he thinks.
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: He developed the standard textbook
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: for vaccines in 1988.
Speaker12: Bill Gates calls his book
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: a Bible for Vaccinologists.
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: I hope it's more accurate than the Bible.
Del Bigtree, Investigative Journalist, CEO, Informed Consent Action Network: In 2018, our attorney, Aaron Siri
Speaker15: had the opportunity to depose under oath
Speaker15: Doctor Stanley Plotkin,
Speaker15: and he asked him this exact question.
Speaker15: Is a five day safety trial long enough to
Speaker15: capture all of the side effects that people
Speaker15: are complaining about
from the hepatitis B vaccine?
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: Doctor Plotkin. This is the product the
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: manufacturer insert for Recombivax HB
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: correct?
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: Yes.
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: And the clinical trial experience would be
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: found in section 6.1.
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: Correct? Correct.
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: Doctor Plotkin?
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: Yes.
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: Okay.
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: In section 6.1, when you look
At the clinical trials that were done
Pre-licensure for Recombivax hb.
How long does it say that
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: safety was monitored after each dose?
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: Uh.
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: Let's see. Uh.
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: Fiv
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: e days is five days long enough to detect
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: an autoimmune issue that
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: arises after five days?
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: Uh, no.
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: Is five days long enough to detect any
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: neurological disorder that arose from the
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: vaccine after five days?
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: No.
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: There is no control group. Correct?
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: Uh, it does not mention any control group.
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: No.
Speaker36: No.
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: If you turn to section 6.2 under the nervous
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: system disorders, it states that there have
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: been reports of Guillain-Barre syndrome.
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: Correct.
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: Yes.
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: As well as multiple sclerosis,
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: exacerbation of multiple sclerosis.
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: Myelitis including transverse myelitis,
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: seizure, febrile seizure,
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: peripheral neuropathy including Bell's palsy,
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: muscle weakness, hyper hypesthesia,
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: and encephalitis. Correct.
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: Correct.
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: Okay, now, um.
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: It says at the top,
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: Before you go on,
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: these reports are required to be
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: included because they have been reported to
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: the authorities as happening after
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: vaccination.
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: That is not proof that the vaccine caused
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: those reactions.
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: In order to establish whether it's causal
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: between the vaccine and the condition,
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: you need a randomly a randomized,
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: placebo controlled study.
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: But that was not done for the
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: this hepatitis B vaccine before licensure,
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: was it?
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: No.
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: Okay.
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: Without a control group,
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: if you were looking for a phenomenon
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: occurring in the vaccine group,
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: you cannot judge that phenomenon
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: without having a control group.
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: Isn't it true that it would now be considered
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: unethical to conduct such a study today?
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: Um, it would be.
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: Yes, it would be ethically difficult.
Speaker15: So this is how the entire game is played.
Speaker15: They don't do a safety placebo trial before
Speaker15: the vaccine's license.
Speaker15: Then when people start lining up with all of
Speaker15: these serious side effects,
Speaker15: you say, well, can you do a placebo based
Speaker15: trial now?
And they'll say, no,
Speaker15: it's unethical.
So they won't do it before.
Speaker15: They won't do it after
there's injuries and
Speaker15: when they can't do a study,
your doctor says
Speaker15: to you, I haven't seen any
studies that show
Speaker15: that these injuries are
being caused by the vaccine
Speaker15: therefore I'm going to assume
Speaker15: they're safe.
Speaker45: Do you agree with the
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: CDC's recommendation that babies receive
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: a hepatitis B on the first day of life?
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: Yes.
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: You stated that hepatitis B
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: doesn't cause
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: encephalitis, right?
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: That's that's my opinion.
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: Yes.
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: But the IOM, after doing its review,
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: determined it couldn't find science to
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: support a causal determination one way or
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: another. Correct?
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: Yes. But that means that they.
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: That they don't have evidence
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: for the supposition.
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: That it either causes
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: Or doesn't cause
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: right
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: They don't know.
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: They don't know because,
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: there aren't enough data
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: in the absence of data.
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: My conclusion is,
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: that there are no.
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: There's no proof that causation exists.
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: So if there's no data to show that it causes
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: or doesn't cause.
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: Yes.
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: Your your your supposition is,
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: is that I understand correctly?
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: Yes.
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: Is that
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: it doesn't cause it.
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: That there's no proof that it does.
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: Okay. That's different than
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: saying it doesn't cause it.
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: Correct,
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: Correct.
Speaker15: So let's be clear.
Speaker15: Vaccine safety is not based
on science and data.
Speaker15: it's based on an assumption of safety.
Speaker15: And that is the stalemate
we find ourselves in.
Speaker15: but there's one way out of it.
Speaker15: Instead of doing a placebo based study,
Speaker15: you can do a retrospective study looking at
Speaker15: people that have already made their choice,
Speaker15: whether they're going to vaccinate or not.
Speaker15: And then you just compare those groups,
Speaker15: the ones that got the vaccines and the ones
Speaker15: that decided not to vaccinate.
Speaker15: We call that the vaccinated versus
Speaker15: unvaccinated study.
Speaker15: It's been done by a few independent
Speaker15: scientists and institutes amongst small
Speaker15: groups of children, but never by a major
Speaker15: government agency or a
Speaker15: major medical facility.
The reason this study is important,
Speaker15: I think, is illustrated by a study that was
Speaker15: done in Guinea-Bissau, Africa,
Speaker15: by a man named Doctor Peter Aaby.
Speaker15: He's one of the lead experts.
Speaker15: He's pro vaccine, and he develops vaccine
Speaker15: programs for the Third World.
Speaker15: He had a DTP vaccine program he'd run
Speaker15: 30 years ago in Guinea Bissau, Africa
Speaker15: and recognized 30 years later.
Speaker15: You know what?
Only half the children in the country
Speaker15: got that vaccine and the other half didn't.
Speaker15: I could do a comparative study
Speaker15: between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated.
Speaker15: And when he did that study,
Speaker15: the results blew his mind.
Dr. Peter Aaby, Expert on Vaccination Campaigns in Developing Countries: This is about vaccines.
Speaker43: And I think it's important to recognize that
Speaker43: no routine vaccine was tested for overall
Speaker43: effect on mortality in randomized trials
Speaker43: before being introduced.
Speaker43: I guess most of you think that we know
Speaker43: what our vaccines are doing.
Speaker43: We don't. The program we are talking about at
Speaker43: the time the vaccine program was introduced,
Speaker43: sort of in the late 70s,
Speaker43: after the success with the
eradication of smallpox
Speaker43: W.H.O made sort of the first
Speaker43: immunization program for the
Speaker43: low income countries.
What comes out here,
Speaker43: you had 2.3 times higher mortality if you
Speaker43: were DTP vaccinated,
and that is the most commonly
Speaker43: used vaccine in the world.
Speaker43: So the whooping cough vaccine or pertussis
Speaker43: vaccine was associated with two fold
Speaker43: two fold higher mortality.
You can have a vaccine which is
Speaker43: fully protective against a specific disease
Speaker43: but associated with higher mortality.
Speaker43: How is that possible?
Speaker15: After looking at this study,
Speaker15: it was clear that the vaccine did protect
Speaker15: against the diseases they were vaccinated for.
Speaker15: The kids didn't die of diphtheria,
Del Bigtree, Investigative Journalist, CEO, Informed Consent Action Network: tetanus and pertussis.
Speaker15: Only one problem once they looked at it,
Speaker15: they were dying at five times the rate of all
Speaker15: of these other issues.
Speaker15: So it was clear that though it's
protecting against these diseases,
Speaker15: it was weakening their immune systems
Speaker15: to all sorts of other problems.
Speaker15: One of the other scientists on this study
Speaker15: did a Ted talk on this.
Christine Stabell Benn, Professor of Global Health, University of Southern Denmark: In spite of being protected against three
Christine Stabell Benn, Professor of Global Health, University of Southern Denmark: deadly diseases, the introduction of DTP was
Christine Stabell Benn, Professor of Global Health, University of Southern Denmark: associated with increased overall mortality.
Christine Stabell Benn, Professor of Global Health, University of Southern Denmark: Children who received DTP vaccine
Christine Stabell Benn, Professor of Global Health, University of Southern Denmark: had five times higher risk of dying
Christine Stabell Benn, Professor of Global Health, University of Southern Denmark: than those who didn't.
And this is just one example of many
Christine Stabell Benn, Professor of Global Health, University of Southern Denmark: studies now done of DTP vaccine.
Christine Stabell Benn, Professor of Global Health, University of Southern Denmark: And they all show the same DTP vaccinated
Christine Stabell Benn, Professor of Global Health, University of Southern Denmark: children have higher mortality than those
Christine Stabell Benn, Professor of Global Health, University of Southern Denmark: who didn't get DTP.
Christine Stabell Benn, Professor of Global Health, University of Southern Denmark: So it appears that DTP vaccine
Christine Stabell Benn, Professor of Global Health, University of Southern Denmark: has negative, nonspecific effects.
Christine Stabell Benn, Professor of Global Health, University of Southern Denmark: The protection against the three deadly
Christine Stabell Benn, Professor of Global Health, University of Southern Denmark: diseases comes at a very high price,
Christine Stabell Benn, Professor of Global Health, University of Southern Denmark: namely increased risk of dying.
Christine Stabell Benn, Professor of Global Health, University of Southern Denmark: So with the best of intentions,
Christine Stabell Benn, Professor of Global Health, University of Southern Denmark: the use of DTP vaccine may
kill more children than it saves.
I know these results are
Christine Stabell Benn, Professor of Global Health, University of Southern Denmark: extremely uncomfortable and most people,
Christine Stabell Benn, Professor of Global Health, University of Southern Denmark: including myself, just wish they weren't true.
Christine Stabell Benn, Professor of Global Health, University of Southern Denmark: But this is what the data tells us.
Speaker15: That was just a study of one vaccine
Speaker15: in a group of children.
What if you studied
Speaker15: children that were receiving not one vaccine,
Speaker15: but between 72 and 100 vaccines by the time
Speaker15: they're 18?
Of course, I'm talking about the
most vaccinated nation in the world,
Speaker15: the United States of America.
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: Our federal health authorities actually paid
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: the Institute of Medicine to look at the
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: safety of the vaccine schedule as a whole.
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: And the Institute of Medicine,
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: after conducting that review,
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: came back with a report in 2013,
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: the report said.
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: No studies have compared the differences
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: in health outcomes
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: between entirely unimmunized populations of
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: children and fully immunized children.
Robert Kennedy Jr, HHS Secretary: It's the CDC's responsibility to do those
Robert Kennedy Jr, HHS Secretary: studies, and they've been ordered again and
Robert Kennedy Jr, HHS Secretary: again and again to do them,
Robert Kennedy Jr, HHS Secretary: and they have refused.
Robert Kennedy Jr, HHS Secretary: But the Institute of Medicine has looked at
Robert Kennedy Jr, HHS Secretary: the vaccine schedule and said in
Robert Kennedy Jr, HHS Secretary: in their report, there are over 150 injuries
Robert Kennedy Jr, HHS Secretary: that are likely to be associated with vaccines
Robert Kennedy Jr, HHS Secretary: that have never been studied.
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: Well, what did the CDC do after the
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: Institute of Medicine issued that report?
Speaker15: Instead of doing the study,
Speaker15: they ended up doing a study on how to do a
Speaker15: vaxxed versus unvaxxed study.
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: It went and it paid a whole lot of money to
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: issue a white paper on how to conduct that
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: study comparing vaccinated versus
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: unvaccinated kids.
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: That white paper came out in 2015.
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: Now here we are in 2025,
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: ten years later.
They've still never
published that study.
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: Now,have they never done this study?
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: I can't tell you.
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: This is information that vaccine safety
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: advocates want and have been asking for for a
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: long time, and I'm not sure
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: why it has't been done.
Speaker15: This simple study would shut up every
Speaker15: anti-vaxxer forever.
Speaker15: I have to believe that they have done this
Speaker15: study every way they possibly can,
Speaker15: and they can't seem to figure out how to make
Speaker15: it look like the vaccinated are healthier.
Speaker15: But that's just my opinion.
Speaker15: Based on several other studies I've seen that
Speaker15: did compare vaccinated to unvaccinated.
Speaker15: But mainstream medicine says,
Speaker15: well, the cohort was too small,
Speaker15: or they poked holes in it, saying it wasn't
Speaker15: done by a major medical institution.
Speaker15: So if we're ever going to get a vax versus
Speaker15: unvaccinated study that people believe in,
Speaker15: it's going to have to be done by highly
Speaker15: accredited scientists at a major medical
Speaker15: institution who has a database big enough to
Speaker15: do a thorough, robust investigation comparing
Speaker15: the vaccinated to the unvaccinated.
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: As fate would have it,
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: Del met the head of infectious disease at
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: Henry Ford Health System,
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: Marcus Zervos.
Speaker20: I'll never forget that meeting because you
Speaker20: said something to me.
Speaker20: You said, I've watched your film.
Speaker20: It's it's it's intriguing.
Speaker20: But you said, I'll never forget.
Speaker20: You said you've been saying something and
Speaker20: watched your videos that I had an issue with.
Speaker20: You said that they cannot say that vaccines
Speaker20: are safe because they've never done the
Speaker20: proper safety studies.
Speaker20: And you said to me, I actually researched
Speaker20: that because I wanted to like,
Speaker20: see if that was true.
Speaker20: And I and you said I, I'm sorry to have to
Speaker20: report to you that you're actually right
Speaker20: about that. The.
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: No. I said.
Speaker20: Robert, safety studies have not been done.
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: And to now, too, it's the same thing.
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: I, I, I, I still say it now.
The proper safety studies haven't been done.
Speaker20: So then I said to you,
Speaker20: all right.
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: Still true.
Speaker20: And you're like I don't know
Speaker20: what I'm doing here.
I don't agree with you.
I believe in vaccines.
And I said,
would you ever consider doing a vaccinated
Speaker20: versus unvaccinated study?
Speaker20: And you said I would do anything wherever the
Speaker20: data the data is the data,
Speaker20: right?
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: Yeah.
Speaker15: The first time I met with Doctor Zervos,
Speaker15: he agreed to do a vaccinated versus
Speaker15: unvaccinated study.
Speaker15: I mean, I was ecstatic.
Speaker15: He was perfect.
Speaker15: Ford Medical Center is one of the
Speaker15: greatest research centers in the world.
Speaker15: And Doctor Zervos is in the middle of being a
Speaker15: hero for having just worked out the entire
Speaker15: Flint, Michigan, water crisis.
Speaker9: Water pipeline.
Speaker11: 74 miles of large diameter pipeline
Speaker11: will stretch.
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: For decades. Flint, one of the poorest cities
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: in America, had bought its water from Detroit
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: instead of staying on the Detroit water
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: supply while the pipeline was being built,
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: the city would temporarily get
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: it's water from the Flint River.
That decision would force
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: the city to activate an old water treatment plant.
Speaker9: Here's the plant.
Speaker24: The plant? Here, here.
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: This is what is
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: coming out of the tap.
Speaker9: Water is brown.
Speaker9: Has a bad odor.
Speaker9: We cannot drink the water.
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: They soon became a breeding ground for
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: Legionella.
And people were getting sick.
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: The oxygen. You're on that all the time.
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: Or do you ever get to take it?
Speaker42: I'm on it all the time.
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: Yeah.
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: Her doctor, Marcus Zervos,
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: had been treating a chronic skin infection
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: that her weakened immune system couldn't
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: control.
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: They are doing a lot better.
Speaker42: I'm ecstatic.
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: You know, if I can get them healed over a
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: little bit more, I'm going to get you an
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: appointment with those transplant doctors.
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: There had been 90 confirmed cases in the year
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: and a half following the water switch.
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: 12 people had died.
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: Shawn Mcillmurray had pulled together a team
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: of 23 scientists and experts
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: from around the state.
The team says the state wouldn't
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: authorize them to start the search for the
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: source of the outbreak.
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: Doctor Zervos was the infectious disease
Dr. Stanley Ploktin, MD, World’s Leading Authority on Vaccines: expert and he was worried about the delay.
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: I was critical to start right away because by
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: June we expected to see more cases of
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: Legionnaires disease and there would be more
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: deaths, which is what we expressed in a
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: meeting that included top leadership at MDHHS.
Speaker9: I remember my colleague telling him that if
Speaker9: he didn't do that, you know,
Speaker9: people could die.
Unfortunately,
Speaker9: Nick Lyons response was that,
Speaker9: well, they have to die of something.
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: I mean, you're just in shock as a result of
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: him saying that.
The director of the health department.
Speaker15: Doctor Zervos, seemed perfect.
Speaker15: He'd stood up against the entire health
Speaker15: system in Michigan, so I figured he'd
Speaker15: probably be brave enough to do this study.
Speaker15: But then a couple of years went by and still
Speaker15: no study. I called Aaron and said,
Speaker15: why don't we go and see if we can't convince
Speaker15: him to finally do this study?
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: I flew down to Michigan and we went to meet
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: Doctor Zervos in person.
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: We said, look, here's your opportunity.
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: The results should be directly in line with
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: the orthodoxy. The vaccinated kids should be
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: healthy across the board.
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: It could be hailed a hero for finally
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: shutting up the anti-vaxxers.
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: He said he's willing to do it.
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: The study was going to use the
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: Data they literally already have in their
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: fingertips, the data of millions of people
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: who are already in the Henry Ford Health
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: System database, including hundreds,
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: maybe thousands of completely unvaccinated
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: children, as well as obviously children who
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: are vaccinated.
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: What that would allow is taking that
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: multi-million person database,
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: segregating out the children who had been in
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: the Henry Ford system from birth continuously
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: for a few years because it's a captive HMO
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: environment, meaning it provides the
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: insurance and it provides the medical care.
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: It has most of the health records for these
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: kids, including if they go out of the Henry
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: Ford Medical system.
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: Henry Ford, as the insurer,
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: was still paying for it.
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: So they had the health codes for all the
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: medical services that these kids got.
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: So if you segregated out those kids,
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: now you have a cohort of children from birth
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: for at least a few years where you knew
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: everything about them.
Speaker19: I previously was a program director at Henry
Speaker19: Ford Hospital, so I know it well.
Speaker19: It's one of the best integrated health
Speaker19: systems to do research.
Speaker3: Henry Ford receives over $90 million in
Speaker3: annual research funding,
Speaker3: with nearly 700 residents and fellows in 53
Speaker3: Acgme accredited training programs.
Speaker19: I think Henry Ford, like other institutions,
Speaker19: has a bias towards the goodness of vaccines.
Speaker45: You can't miss it. It's a full page letter
Speaker45: here from Henry Ford with 56 signatures
Speaker45: saying in bold letters the science is clear
Speaker45: vaccines save lives.
Speaker19: If the results came back demonstrating that
Speaker19: the battery of vaccines was associated with
Speaker19: chronic diseases and that unvaccinated
Speaker19: appeared healthy over time,
Speaker19: such a result would be particularly
Speaker19: convincing.
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: You know, I'm for vaccines. I'm not you know,
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: I'm obviously for it.
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: I think it's the best way of controlling
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: infectious diseases, which are deadly.
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: I'm for mandatory vaccination.
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: I'm the Henry Ford is mandatory vaccination
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: because of me.
Speaker11: Henry Ford is one of about 90 health care
Speaker11: systems across the United States that are
Speaker11: working to enroll a total of 30,000
Speaker11: volunteers in the Moderna Covid vaccine study
Speaker11: as quickly as possible.
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: This is the worst pandemic of the last 100
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: years, and our best hope of dealing with this
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: is by having an effective vaccine.
Male Speaker: Henry Ford is requiring all 33,000 staff
Male Speaker: members to be fully vaccinated by September
Male Speaker: 10th, 2021.
Speaker25: The health system says this is consistent
Speaker25: with its existing vaccination policy,
Speaker25: which includes team members get the flu shot
Speaker25: every year and stay current with other
Speaker25: vaccinations.
Speaker15: It appeared to me that Henry Ford was
Speaker15: pro-vaccine, not anti-vaccine,
Speaker15: so I had to assume the only reason they would
Speaker15: do this study was to prove us wrong.
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: And I thought that was an excellent
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: opportunity.
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: They can do the comparison and presumably
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: they could get it published.
Speaker15: We only had one request.
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: The ask was, whatever the outcome,
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: you publish it?
Would he stick to that if the
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: results show that unvaccinated kids are
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: healthier?
And when he realized that if he
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: submitted that for publication,
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: he's going to face the wrath of his entire
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: profession.
Did it? No.
Speaker15: This was our greatest fear.
Speaker15: I mean, vaccines are the holy grail of modern
Speaker15: medicine, and anyone that decides to
Speaker15: challenge vaccines in any way are essentially
Speaker15: considered heretics.
Speaker45: Vaccines are safe.
Speaker45: Vaccines are safe and effective.
Speaker5: Vaccines are safe and highly effective,
Speaker5: safe and effective.
Speaker13: Safe and they're highly effective.
Speaker27: Vaccines are one of
Speaker9: Humanity's most incredible
Speaker27: Accomplishments, and they've saved
Speaker27: millions of lives.
Speaker46: Childhood vaccines have prevented about
Speaker46: 4 million deaths around the world every year.
Speaker24: The overwhelming majority.
Speaker24: Of pediatricians in this country strongly
Speaker24: support vaccinations.
Speaker36: Missing her vaccination dates.
Speaker6: We're not vaccinating.
Speaker12: The schedule, as it's currently recommended
Speaker12: is well tested.
Speaker9: We've studied them in so many millions of
Speaker9: children.
Speaker12: Billions of people.
Speaker42: Decades of extensive peer reviewed
Dr. Peter Aaby, Expert on Vaccination Campaigns in Developing Countries: scientific studies.
Speaker37: Centuries of science.
Speaker19: The science is pretty settled.
Speaker37: Settled for many years now.
Speaker9: This idea that we're taking too many
Speaker9: vaccines, there's really no science to back
Speaker9: that up.
Speaker45: The scientific community publishes paper
Speaker45: after paper after paper.
Speaker5: There is nothing to see.
Speaker5: There's nothing to see.
Speaker24: I will not stand here and
Speaker45: let conspiracy theories
Speaker24: distract from real solutions.
Speaker37: Most doctors can't tolerate
Speaker5: Being called quacks or having their
Speaker37: reputation destroyed. And, you know,
Speaker37: I went from treating the head of the
Speaker37: laboratory at my hospital for hypertension to
Speaker37: becoming, you know, somebody that was doubted
Speaker37: on every levels after a while because of one
Speaker37: thing that I said, which was,
Speaker37: can we stop giving vaccines to my sick
Speaker37: patients and give it to them on the day of
Speaker37: discharge? And had they not tried to
Speaker37: intimidate me, doubt me,
Speaker37: and pushed me to research and show that what
Speaker37: I saw was actually real,
Speaker37: I would still be lockstep working as a
Speaker37: regular doctor.
Speaker12: The Florida Department
Speaker39: of health, in partnership
Speaker9: With the governor.
Speaker12: Is going to be working.
Speaker12: To end all vaccine mandates in
Speaker9: Florida law.
Speaker12: All of them.
Speaker9: All of them.
Speaker12: My experience with discussing
Male Speaker: or disclosing harms associated with vaccines
Male Speaker: is that those are not welcome ideas or
Male Speaker: conversations.
Speaker20: That move from the
Male Speaker: Florida surgeon general,
Dr. Peter Aaby, Expert on Vaccination Campaigns in Developing Countries: a doctor there drawing condemnation from
Dr. Peter Aaby, Expert on Vaccination Campaigns in Developing Countries: public health experts.
Speaker5: Whether it's ignorance,
Speaker5: it's stupidity or it's malice,
Speaker5: at the end of the day, people are
Speaker5: going to get hurt.
Speaker9: He's not going to
Male Speaker: Necessarily receive.
Male Speaker: A warm embrace by some
Male Speaker: of the people in his profession,
Male Speaker: but that's really
Speaker9: what courage is all about.
Male Speaker: It's a very hostile environment,
Male Speaker: both scientifically and in the media,
Male Speaker: for individuals who reach conclusions or have
Male Speaker: opinions that counter mainstream ideas.
Speaker15: Every independent scientist that has ever
Speaker15: ventured into doing a vaccinated versus
Speaker15: unvaccinated study of any kind is immediately
Speaker15: under assault.
There's one by Doctor Anthony Mawson
Speaker15: out of Mississippi.
Speaker15: He did a homeschool study of about 600 kids
Speaker15: and discovered alarming rates of allergies,
Speaker15: Add, ADHD, neurological disorders,
Speaker15: and a four fold increased risk of autism
Speaker15: amongst the vaccinated as soon as the study
Speaker15: came out. His job was under threat.
Speaker15: In fact, I asked him if he'd be in this film
Speaker15: and he said, look, you can show my studies,
Speaker15: but I have just been dragged through the
Speaker15: coals on this. I can't take any more.
Speaker15: Then there's Doctor Paul Thomas.
Speaker16: Hey, how are you guys doing?
Female Speaker: What I'm seeing on this side is a pink,
Female Speaker: dull, scarred up eardrum.
Female Speaker: I've been a pediatrician for 35 years.
Female Speaker: I'm now retired.
What I noticed in the first
Female Speaker: decade or so of my practice is kids were
Female Speaker: getting sicker and sicker.
Female Speaker: And over the next decade,
Female Speaker: as more and more patients chose not to
Female Speaker: vaccinate, I got to see the difference.
Female Speaker: But I wanted to see could I prove it?
Female Speaker: So we got all the data from my practice.
Female Speaker: We looked at every baby born into my practice
Female Speaker: and published it in an international journal
Female Speaker: of Public Health.
What we found in that study
Female Speaker: was peer reviewed.
Female Speaker: It was robust.
Female Speaker: We found massive increases.
Female Speaker: I mean, we're talking 4 to 500% more
Female Speaker: allergies, autoimmune conditions,
Female Speaker: neurodevelopmental issues.
And then we had
Female Speaker: infections of all kinds massively increased
Female Speaker: in the vaccinated compared to the
Female Speaker: unvaccinated.
What happened when I published
Female Speaker: that study?
Within days of it being available
Female Speaker: online, I get a call from my attorney,
Female Speaker: don't go see any patients.
Female Speaker: Don't write any prescriptions.
Don't go into the office
Female Speaker: your license has been suspended.
Female Speaker: You are a threat to public health.
Speaker19: What's today?
Female Speaker: Today.
It is the last time I will be doing
Female Speaker: clinical medicine in Oregon.
Female Speaker: Knowing that you guys are keeping it going,
Female Speaker: the heart of this place lives on.
Speaker15: So what if Doctor Zervos does this study and
Speaker15: it turns out exactly the same way as the
Speaker15: others?
Would he still publish it?
Speaker15: That was the question.
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: Years went by.
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: In 2020, I was informed they had put together
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: a study.
And I had that study in my hand and
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: I looked at it.
The significance of it.
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: It was an actual study that went published
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: was the first step in changing this
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: landscape.
Weeks went by and then more time
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: went by.
And at some point what I learned was
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: it was not going to get submitted for
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: publication.
Speaker15: Aaron called me and said they finished the
Speaker15: study.
Only one problem.
Speaker15: They're not going to publish it.
I mean,
Speaker15: it was everything we were afraid of.
Speaker15: I called Doctor Zervos and I said,
Speaker15: can I fly out and meet you for dinner?
Speaker15: And he agreed.
Speaker15: I wanted to look Zervos in the eyes and ask
Speaker15: him, what's so damning in this study that
Speaker15: you're afraid to publish it?
Speaker15: I wanted to know what was in this study.
I hadn't seen it.
I also imagined there's got
Speaker15: to be a way to talk him into publishing this
Speaker15: study.
But one thing was for sure.
Speaker15: This was my last chance.
Speaker15: I'm going to bring hidden cameras and
Speaker15: recording equipment so that no matter what
Speaker15: happens at this dinner,
Speaker15: I can prove it happened.
Speaker20: What do you think about this study you guys
Speaker20: have done?
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: It's important information because of you
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: know, it did show a difference between the
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: groups. I don't know how to.
Speaker20: Oh, she got it.
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: How to.
Speaker20: Explain it.
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: I don't know how to explain it, but it is a
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: it's important. It was an important finding.
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: I mean, the study was for what.
Speaker20: Do you find any flaws in the study?
Speaker20: I mean, is there a way they could do the
Speaker20: study? You could do the study better with
Speaker20: what's there?
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: Not that I know of
Speaker20: No.
Speaker19: Impact of childhood vaccination on short and
Speaker19: long term chronic health outcomes in children
Speaker19: a birth cohort study.
Female Speaker: This one is really robust.
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: Let's see the results.
Speaker20: Yeah. What were the results?
Speaker16: The CDC put out a white paper on how you
Speaker16: would look at vaccinated versus unvaccinated.
Speaker16: And we followed it to a t.
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: I agree with that
Speaker16: no.
Speaker20: Do you agree with it?
We 100% did.
Speaker16: We looked at this every other way and
Speaker16: sideways.
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: I think this is a devastating commentary on
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: our public health interventions.
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: Because if this is true,
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: we are systematically making kids sick and
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: not just a little bit sick.
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: Very sick publishing something like that.
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: I might as well retire.
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: I'd be finished.
Speaker20: I mean, I'm just curious.
Speaker20: What in this data makes you think it will be
Speaker20: as catastrophic to your career as you think?
Speaker15: What was he so afraid of?
Speaker15: The study was a bombshell.
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: 18,468 subjects, 1957 of them were fully
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: unvaccinated.
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: When comparing the health outcomes Columns of
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: the vaccinated versus the unvaccinated.
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: They found an increased risk in the
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: vaccinated of several chronic health
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: conditions.
The vaccinated subjects were over
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: four times more likely to have an asthma
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: diagnosis.
Speaker20: 4.29 times in the adjusted,
Speaker20: and that seems I've looked a lot of studies.
Speaker20: That's 3.26 to 5.65.
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: They also found three times the risk for
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: atopic diseases.
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: Which is kind of a subset of allergic
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: diseases.
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: They found a almost six times risk for
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: autoimmune disease.
Female Speaker: The autoimmune diseases this paper looked at
Female Speaker: include thrombocytopenic purpura,
Female Speaker: rheumatoid arthritis, SLE,
Female Speaker: systemic lupus erythematosus,
Female Speaker: Ms. multiple sclerosis,
Female Speaker: and Guillain-Barre syndrome.
Female Speaker: They mentioned there are over 80 different
Female Speaker: autoimmune diseases and what their data
Female Speaker: showed for autoimmunity six times increase in
Female Speaker: those who got vaccines when compared to the
Female Speaker: unvaccinated.
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: Which is staggering because autoimmune
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: disorders really represent significant
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: morbidity and health costs and suffering
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: accrued over a lifetime.
Speaker20: Neurodevelopmental disorders
Speaker20: What kind of numbers are we talking about.
Do you remember.
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: Five and a half times risk for
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: neurodevelopmental disorders
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: We know that the immune system is intimately
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: connected with both brain development and
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: brain functioning.
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: And so when the immune system gets triggered
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: by illness, potentially by vaccination,
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: you can get neuropsychiatric symptoms,
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: presumably related to brain inflammation and
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: immune processes in the brain.
Speaker15: 2.92 times the amount of motor disabilities,
Speaker15: 4.47 times the amount of speech disorders in
Speaker15: the vaccinated compared to the unvaccinated.
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: Three times the rate of developmental delay.
Female Speaker: They found the same things I found related to
Female Speaker: allergy and autoimmunity.
Female Speaker: Also six times more acute and chronic ear
Female Speaker: infections.
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: Interestingly, there were several health
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: conditions where they couldn't even do this
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: analysis because there were none in the
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: unvaccinated group.
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: The way that the mathematical formulas work,
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: you can't have a zero in any one group and be
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: able to compare risk.
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: For example, there were 262 children who had
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: ADHD in the vaccinated group.
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: Amongst the unvaccinated group,
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: there were zero cases of ADHD,
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: zero.
Female Speaker: These ones are just mind boggling.
Female Speaker: These conditions were not found at all in
Female Speaker: almost 2000 unvaccinated kids.
Female Speaker: Zero brain dysfunction.
Female Speaker: Zero. Diabetes, zero behavioral problems,
Female Speaker: zero learning disabilities,
Female Speaker: zero intellectual disabilities,
Female Speaker: zero tics, and zero other psychological
Female Speaker: disabilities in the unvaccinated.
Speaker9: I'm going to read.
Speaker5: The conclusion here.
Despite this,
Speaker9: and in contrast to our expectations,
Speaker9: again, the author's expectations was they'd
Speaker9: conduct the study and probably find
Speaker9: vaccinated people a whole lot healthier than
Speaker9: unvaccinated. Right?
Speaker9: That's what we found.
We found that exposure
Speaker9: to vaccination was independently associated
Speaker9: with an overall 2.5 fold increase in the
Speaker9: likelihood of developing a chronic health
Speaker9: condition when compared to children unexposed
Speaker9: to vaccination.
Speaker16: Any vaccine, even just one compared to none,
Speaker16: had two and a half times more likely to have
Speaker16: a chronic health condition.
Female Speaker: There were no chronic health conditions
Female Speaker: associated with an increased risk in the
Female Speaker: unexposed group.
Female Speaker: None.
Speaker20: What is this graph mean?
Speaker20: Explain that to me.
Speaker20: So it's no vaccines
Speaker20: versus vaccines.
Speaker16: That's basically your likelihood of not
Speaker16: having a chronic health condition.
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: They did something called time to event
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: analysis at ten years.
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: The likelihood of being free from a chronic
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: illness was only 43% in the vaccinated group,
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: versus 83% in the unvaccinated group.
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: It's a big difference.
Speaker20: So if you're unvaccinated,
Speaker20: you stay up here above the,
Speaker20: you know, like, was it 80% of you are going
Speaker20: to be perfectly healthy.
Whereas you're
Speaker20: dropping below the 50 percentile,
Speaker20: which is exactly what what I've been stating.
Speaker20: I've been saying 54% of America's children
Speaker20: have a chronic illness. Now.
Speaker16: It's right.
Speaker20: and that's that's basically what
Speaker20: that's showing.
Female Speaker: Ten years follow up, 57% of the vaccinated
Female Speaker: had a chronic health condition in just.
Female Speaker: ten years.
That should shock everyone.
Speaker15: Let's remember the entire conversation of the
Speaker15: moment in America is the fact that 54% of our
Speaker15: children are chronically ill,
Speaker15: and here we are looking at the study,
Speaker15: and it's almost exactly those numbers.
Speaker15: 57% of the vaccinated are chronically ill,
Speaker15: whereas only 17% of the unvaccinated.
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: I think because I have an interest in
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: vaccines and I understand off target
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: nonspecific effects.
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: I was sad, but I wasn't surprised.
Speaker19: I can tell you that these data are consistent
Speaker19: with my greatest concerns regarding the
Speaker19: childhood vaccination schedule that despite
Speaker19: the good intentions of the field of
Speaker19: vaccinology that is backfiring on us.
Speaker15: In virtually every single chronic health
Speaker15: category, the vaccinated are doing far worse.
Speaker15: But there is one issue.
Speaker15: It's the one that I have been talking about
Speaker15: for years and puts me in the middle of this
Speaker15: entire investigation, and that is autism.
Speaker15: And in this study, it appears that there was
Speaker15: no statistical significance with the vaccine
Speaker15: autism connection.
Speaker15: And I wanted to know why.
Speaker20: Yet autism is neutral.
Speaker20: Does that mean we're wrong about autism?
Speaker20: Mark. No no.
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: No, no, it's, uh, there are a lot of
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: variables involved, and it's hard to control
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: for.
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: When you don't have a lot of instances,
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: uh, as occurred here with autism,
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: where you only have 23 instances of autism in
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: the vaccinated group and one instance of
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: autism in the unvaccinated group.
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: That wasn't enough instances to actually be
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: able to determine whether or not there is a
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: statistically significant increased rate of
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: autism.
Speaker15: So even though the study shows all sorts of
Speaker15: neurodevelopmental disorders when it comes to
Speaker15: autism, there weren't enough children
Speaker15: diagnosed with autism in this group to answer
Speaker15: that question.
That is why studies like this
Speaker15: need to be replicated at even larger scales.
Speaker19: The fact is, there's a signal and the signal
Speaker19: is unvaccinated kids healthy.
Speaker19: That should be a very important positive
Speaker19: study.
The converse of this is kids that are
Speaker19: vaccinated. It doesn't look so good,
Speaker19: particularly for the neuropsychiatric
Speaker19: disorders.
Looking at the measure of
Speaker19: association, I'm an epidemiologist I live in
Speaker19: this neutral is one.
Speaker19: Neutral means no association is one.
Speaker19: If it's two, it means there's a
Speaker19: two fold risk.
When we're doing non-randomized data,
Speaker19: especially from corporate data stores,
Speaker19: we have you we have a higher threshold.
Speaker19: And a good threshold to remember is for if
Speaker19: there's a four fold increased risk in a data
Speaker19: set, if we were going to go do this somewhere
Speaker19: else, almost certainly we would find an
Speaker19: association.
Speaker19: When this is telling us that the risk
Speaker19: relationship is greater than four.
Speaker15: I was sitting at that dinner reading this
Speaker15: study for the first time and thinking,
Speaker15: oh my God, the world needs to see this study.
Speaker15: But the more I pressed Doctor Zervos to
Speaker15: publish it, the more excuses he had.
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: I think it's a good study, but it does have
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: limitations to it.
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: The argument against it is going to be that
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: it's, um, same thing, retrospective.
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: It's not a controlled there's is no control
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: group that there's other factors involved in.
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: Heterogeneous group of conditions.
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: The perfect example was hydroxychloroquine.
Speaker15: Did I happen to mention that not only was
Speaker15: Doctor Zervos at the center of the
Speaker15: Flint, Michigan water crisis,
Speaker15: he was also at the center of
Speaker15: hydroxychloroquine study that was done by
Speaker15: Ford and showed a 50% reduction in death for
Speaker15: those that received hydroxychloroquine,
Speaker15: and for that he got attacked by Tony Fauci
Speaker15: and virtually everybody in mainstream media
Speaker15: and the medical world.
Speaker13: The Henry Ford Hospital study that was
Speaker13: published was a noncontrolled retrospective
Speaker13: cohort study.
Speaker13: So that study is a flawed study.
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: The PR in Henry Ford,
they put a gag order on me
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: you know, I couldn't talk about anything.
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: And they said to me, Mark.
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: Tell what you know. So,
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: so so you go on CNN, you know,
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: we say we'd be happy.
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: They'd be thrilled to have you on CNN.
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: And, you know, and you say what you feel,
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: but they're just going to twist what you say
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: anyway and make you look bad anyway.
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: So what good's it gonna do?
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: So I should still be able to defend myself
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: you know and say what the inaccuracies are.
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: So I'm thinking to myself, maybe,
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: maybe the Henry Ford PR was right is that
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: it's just going to get twisted around anyway,
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: make you look bad and you get fired.
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: So what good does it do?
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: So what's going to happen with this one is
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: the same thing is that somebody's going to
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: come back and they're going to say, you know,
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: this study was the study is flawed as opposed
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: to looking at it in a way that it should be
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: looked at.
How about looking at this is
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: important scientific information that can
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: inform how the study should be done,
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: it won't be taken like that.
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: And then, I'd go and say.
Why?
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: Because there's a political agenda to it.
Speaker20: I get it's it has its issues.
Speaker20: Any retrospective study is always going to
Speaker20: have the same problems, right.
You always have the same attacks upon it
Male Speaker: There are limitations to retrospective studies
Male Speaker: that's the reason why we like to do
Male Speaker: randomized clinical trials when we can,
Male Speaker: because they don't have the same limitations.
Male Speaker: The major one that you have to worry about
Male Speaker: with retrospective studies is things that are
Male Speaker: different between the groups that you're
Male Speaker: comparing, that you're unable to account for.
Speaker15: If you want a flawless study,
Speaker15: do a placebo controlled trial.
Speaker15: Any retrospective study is going to have
Speaker15: flaws in it.
But in this study,
Speaker15: they made a point to address many of the
Speaker15: flaws that they found themselves.
Male Speaker: If some were critical of the study, I think
Male Speaker: issues that a researcher might raise would be
Male Speaker: things like the different lengths of follow
Male Speaker: up for the groups between the children who
Male Speaker: received no vaccines and the children who
Male Speaker: received vaccines.
Male Speaker: The authors actually did do a sensitivity
Male Speaker: analysis where they limited the analysis to
Male Speaker: children who had at least a certain amount of
Male Speaker: follow up.
Speaker15: When they limited the follow up time for both
Speaker15: the vaccinated and the unvaccinated to one
Speaker15: year.
It's still 2.75 times higher rate of
Speaker15: chronic disease in the vaccinated,
Speaker15: and when they limited it to three years,
Speaker15: it's 3.38 times the rate of chronic disease
Speaker15: in the vaccinated.
And when they limit it to
Speaker15: five years, it's four times greater.
Speaker15: So no matter what they did to limit the
Speaker15: follow up time, the results of the study
Speaker15: didn't change.
Male Speaker: The results indicate that the different
Male Speaker: follow up period really did not have a
Male Speaker: substantial effect on the research question
Male Speaker: that they were probing.
Male Speaker: Another concern is that they're just big
Male Speaker: differences in how likely the children who
Male Speaker: receive no vaccines were to seek health care
Male Speaker: compared to the children who received
Male Speaker: vaccines.
So, in other words,
Male Speaker: could the differences we're finding in this
Male Speaker: study just be due to the fact that these kids
Male Speaker: were being seen less often,
Male Speaker: and so they're getting fewer diagnoses.
Male Speaker: To try and address this.
Male Speaker: They limited the population of children who
Male Speaker: didn't receive any vaccines to children who
Male Speaker: at least had some number of medical visits.
Male Speaker: And even in that sensitivity analysis,
Male Speaker: the main findings persisted.
Speaker19: In this study, they adjusted for confounders.
Speaker19: Confounders can be age,
Speaker19: socioeconomic status, gender,
Speaker19: racial ethnic groups, and used a technique
Speaker19: called Cox proportional hazards,
Speaker19: which means holding all other factors equal.
Speaker19: What's the relationship between the factor of
Speaker19: interest and the outcome.
Male Speaker: Even after they were adjusted for?
Male Speaker: The effect of these characteristics was
Male Speaker: actually pretty small.
Male Speaker: I actually expected that those adjustments
Male Speaker: would have a really powerful effect,
Male Speaker: but they actually didn't.
Male Speaker: And when you do a lot of sensitivity analysis
Male Speaker: and what you're seeing doesn't change much.
Male Speaker: That can be reassuring.
Male Speaker: The authors did a good job with the
Male Speaker: information that they had.
Male Speaker: I have seen studies on vaccines published in
Male Speaker: good journals that are much weaker in
Male Speaker: quality.
Speaker20: Is what your study shows.
Speaker20: Is it important?
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: Yeah, it is important.
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: You know, who you should send it to?
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: Well do what I told you a while ago, because
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: I'm just not going to do.
I'm not going to do it
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: because I don't want to end up like Didier
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: I don't want to suffer
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: what Mccullough did.
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: But, you know, I give him credit for for
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: taking it, you know, standing up to it.
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: But, um, I'm just not going to be I'm not
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: going to I'm not going to do that.
Speaker20: In any other climate.
Speaker20: In a regular climate, you would have put this
Speaker20: study out just as it is, right?
Speaker20: If we weren't in this world of
Speaker20: censorship.
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: I'd put it out just as it is.
Speaker20: You would.
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: I put it out just how it is. Yeah
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: I'd like to.
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: I'd like to just finish out my work,
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: you know, doing international work.
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: Part of my reluctance to do anything is that
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: nothing is going to come out of it other than
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: me losing my job, which I'd rather not see
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: happen.
I'm open to .
Speaker20: We're here because I fully respect you,
Speaker20: and I recognize the danger of
I said to you, I said to you,
Speaker20: if you do this study,
Speaker20: I'm going to repeat it to you,
Speaker20: because I want you to remember
Speaker20: I said, if you do the study,
You're going to come under fire.
Speaker20: you said, I don't care about that
Speaker20: I'm all about the data and I'm about to retire anyway
Speaker20: That's literally what you said.
Speaker24: Yeah.
Speaker20: So your energy is definitely changed on that but
Energy's changing.
Speaker20: Let me put it this way.
Speaker20: I put my whole career on the line because I saw an issue
Speaker20: Because what?
I saw an issue that is affecting
Speaker20: the children of America and the world.
Speaker20: We have a serious growing problem of
Speaker20: autoimmune disease, chronic illness.
Speaker20: I'm not saying that vaccines are the only
Speaker20: cause, But I'm saying this program needs some
Speaker20: serious work.
We had much better health when
Speaker20: we were getting 10,20 vaccines.
Speaker20: At 54 shots with 72 doses,
Speaker20: it is clear we are not making our children
Speaker20: healthier.
They're going the wrong direction.
Speaker20: If there's a way to do this program better,
Speaker20: which I believe, you know, I've never said
Speaker20: I'm trying to eradicate vaccines from the
Speaker20: planet, but we are at an autism rate now of
Speaker20: what, 1 in 26, 28?
Speaker20: We have some serious issues.
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: I actually agree with this.
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: So, is there a different way we could be doing.
Del Bigtree, Investigative Journalist, CEO, Informed Consent Action Network: Right. But how do we get there?
Speaker20: If I finally, what are the odds I find
Speaker20: someone like you that is has got the clout.
Speaker20: If we can't.
Speaker20: If I can't get this study out,
Speaker20: then what hope is there for every kid in the future?
Speaker20: I can't do shit for them.
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: Unless there's a change in leadership.
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: Nothing that's going to happen.
Publishing one. You know, one study like,
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: uh. Uh, like this one.
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: Like this one is not gonna.
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: It's not gonna, um,
It's actually the right
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: thing to do.
I don't want to say it's not the right thing to do.
It's the right thing to do. But the, uh.
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: I just don't want to, um.
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: And I don't want to say I have enough problems
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: but I've got enough things like that
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: that I'm already dealing with, and I
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: don't want another one.
Speaker20: Hold on, hold on. I just want to say this.
Speaker20: This is the Galileo moment.
Speaker20: I believe this changes more lives than anything there is.
Speaker20: if we can fix this vaccine program
Speaker20: it doesn't just change millions of
Children's lives here in America
Speaker20: It changes worldwide.
Speaker20: You'll be the father of the change in the system
Speaker20: that's historic.
Speaker20: And I want to work with you to do that.
Speaker20: This is why we're here.
Speaker24: Yeah.
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: No, I see what you're saying.
Speaker20: We have an ability to do something that no
Speaker20: one ever dreamed is possible.
Speaker20: If it's not you then who?
For some reason they always.
Speaker24: hammering always, comes towards me,
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: so I can't handle it, I really can't.
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: No I'm not a good person.
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: I can't handle it.
I'm not a good person but um
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: but, um, I'm just not going to do.
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: I'm not going to. I'm not going to do that.
Speaker36: Because I've got uh
Marcus Zervos, MD, Co-Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases, Henry Ford Health: got other stuff to worry about
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: Yeah.
Speaker6: I mean.
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: Obviously like.
Speaker6: Really emotional.
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: You know, he's just gonna compartmentalize it
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: away.
Speaker6: I think someone could look.
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: At this and be like, it's.
Speaker6: Unconscionable.
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: How could he
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: And I think the way that he can is like,
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: the way we all can do things that,
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: you know, like, not do things we don't want
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: to do is.
We just convince ourselves, you know, he's saying
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: like, it doesn't matter.
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: This is one study.
Speaker6: It won't move the needle.
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: Um, it's too much for me.
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: I can't. And, you know,
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: maybe he's right.
Maybe it is too much for him.
Speaker19: It's very important.
Speaker19: The study sees the light of day.
In the scientific literature.
Speaker19: And for the advancement of science,
Speaker19: We must have balance.
Speaker19: There are always pros and cons to everything,
Speaker19: and when we have a deep seated religious bias
Speaker19: in favor of vaccines, we've lost balance.
Speaker19: And when we lose balance,
Speaker19: the entire scientific enterprise goes off
Speaker19: track.
And when that happens,
Speaker19: large populations are harmed.
Speaker9: I cannot help but ask myself the question,
Speaker9: how many children will suffer a chronic
Speaker9: illness that they maybe wouldn't have to
Speaker9: suffer had this information been out there?
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: I treat a lot of kids with
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: Neurodevelopmental disability and
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: neuropsychiatric illness,
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: and their lives and their family's lives are
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: hell.
And I know so many parents who suffer
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: all kinds of guilt, the parents who've had
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: adverse reactions or who witnessed
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: neurodevelopmental regression in connection
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: with vaccination.
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: They are devastated.
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: I've had so many mothers say to me,
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: My child is like this because of me.
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: You know, at my hand I did this to them.
Male Speaker: I think we are absolutely destroying our
Female Speaker: future by destroying the overall health of
Female Speaker: our most precious asset,
Female Speaker: our children.
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: We need to know if this is true.
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: We are morally and ethically obligated to
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: replicate this study again and again and
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: again, and find out if this is accurate and
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: if this is true. We have to.
Male Speaker: The fact that this study hasn't been peer
Male Speaker: reviewed and hasn't been published is
Male Speaker: extremely concerning.
Male Speaker: It's important knowledge and other health
Male Speaker: care systems really do need to replicate the
Male Speaker: analysis.
This question really does need to be probed
Male Speaker: it's a it's a very important
Male Speaker: research question.
Female Speaker: I challenge you, yes.
Female Speaker: You, the doctors, you the researchers do the
Female Speaker: research find within your data set,
Female Speaker: within your system, those who are
Female Speaker: unvaccinated, and compare them to the
Female Speaker: vaccinated cohort.
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: This is one data set.
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: You could replicate this again.
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: There are other captive payer systems.
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: Like Kaiser Permanente Southern California.
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: Do it and let the Harvard pilgrim system in
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: Boston do it, and all the other health
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: systems around the country,
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: and maybe even the CDC with the VSD.
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: And with that, we can start actually
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: addressing the problem that these vaccines
Aaron Siri, ESQ, ICAN Lead Legal Team: might be causing.
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: If these results are valid,
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: this is an absolute sea change in our
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: understanding of the off target and
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: nonspecific effects of vaccination.
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: And we will have to reconsider the way we go
Sylvia Fogel, MD, Voluntary Clinical Instructor, Part-Time, Harvard Medical School: about our vaccination program.
Speaker15: This is a cease and desist letter we received
Speaker15: from the attorneys for Henry Ford Health.
Speaker15: This letter leads me to
Speaker20: believe that they really don't want
Speaker15: us to release this film
Speaker15: In the letter, Henry Ford accuses us of
Speaker15: defamation for saying that the unpublished
Speaker15: study wasn't submitted for publication due to
Speaker15: the results of the study.
Speaker15: They assert that the reason the study was
Speaker15: never submitted for publication was,
Speaker15: quote, "due to significant and serious flaws
Speaker15: in its data and methodology,
Speaker15: and because it did not come close to meeting
Speaker15: the rigorous scientific standards Henry Ford
Speaker15: Health and its researchers demand."
Speaker15: But we just heard from Doctor Marcus Zervos,
Speaker15: the lead author on this unpublished study and
Speaker15: a world leading expert on infectious disease
Speaker15: at Henry Ford.
Speaker15: He told me he believed the study was a good
Speaker15: study, and he would publish it just as it is.
Speaker15: Only one problem if he does publish it,
Speaker15: he believes it would be the end of his career
Speaker15: he'd be finished.
Speaker15: Not my words, but his.
Speaker15: Now, even if Doctor Zervos stands by his
Speaker15: study, does that mean it's a perfect study?
Speaker15: Of course not.
Can we say that the Henry Ford
Speaker15: study proves that vaccines are causing the
Speaker15: chronic disease epidemic?
Speaker15: No. We cannot.
Speaker15: A retrospective study does not prove
Speaker15: causation.
What we can say is that we believe
Speaker15: it is showing a signal.
Speaker15: A red flag waved in the air by the scientific
Speaker15: method. Houston, there may be a real problem here
Speaker15: Now, this concern is heightened by the
Speaker15: fact that this unpublished study does not
Speaker15: stand alone.
It's not an anomaly.
Speaker15: It now stands with several of the studies
Speaker15: that have all shown similar signals.
Speaker15: So there will certainly be attacks on the
Speaker15: limitations of this study,
Speaker15: which can be found in most retrospective studies
Speaker15: And we acknowledge those limitations
Speaker15: But the only way to really
Speaker15: refute it is to do your own vaccinated versus
Speaker15: unvaccinated study and prove us wrong.
Speaker15: That's what I believe Doctor Zervos attempted
Speaker15: to do and failed.
Speaker15: But as parents watching this film right now,
Speaker15: you have to ask yourself a very important question.
Speaker15: Why hasn't a single health agency
Speaker15: or major medical institution in the world
Speaker15: been able to produce one single vaccinated
Speaker15: versus completely unvaccinated study that
Speaker15: shows that the vaccinated children are healthier?
Speaker15: Wasn't that the entire purpose of
Speaker15: the vaccine program?
To make our children healthier?
Speaker15: And although this may be
Speaker15: An Inconvenient study for anyone who said that
Speaker15: the vaccine program was safe,
Speaker15: there is a bright side in every one of these
Speaker15: studies so far.
Speaker15: There is a group of children who are
Speaker15: thriving, who aren't suffering from many of
Speaker15: the ailments that plague America's children,
Speaker15: who have barely any cases of
Speaker15: neurodevelopmental disorders or autoimmune disease.
Speaker15: They are living in a world that is
Speaker15: flourishing with health because their parents
Speaker15: went in a different direction.
Speaker15: You now have even more data.
Speaker15: You've been informed.
Speaker15: What are you going to do about it?
Speaker15: That choice is yours.