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Good morning. Good afternoon.

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Good evening. Wherever you are out there in this beautiful

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world, it's time to step out onto the high wire.

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Can you tell I'm pumped?

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We got a huge, huge show going down today.

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Many of you probably remember back in January, Patrick

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Bet-David, who has a great podcast, interviewed Neil

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deGrasse Tyson, and they got into the conversation of the

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COVID vaccines.

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And Neil was very pro that concept, and we talked about it

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on the show. This is how that went down.

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If you want to get an abortion, get an abortion.

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If I want to get the vaccine, I get to choose.

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So you can't force.

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If I can't force you to get an abortion, you shouldn't be

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able to force me.

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Because it's not about you.

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It's about people you interact with.

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And that's the social contract of public health in a case

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where you can contaminate someone else.

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It's not about you in a scientific debate.

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Here's how that unfolds.

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I'm in conversation with you.

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Let's call it a debate.

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We know you and I know walking into that room.

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Either I'm right and you're wrong.

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You're right and I'm wrong or we're both wrong.

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We know that in advance.

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So we start having the conversation.

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Well, what about these data? What about these data?

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I think those data are flawed.

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And here's why. Well, how about this?

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Yes, that's a debate.

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But you know how that debate ends.

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It depends where, we need this new data set to resolve this

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difference. Now let's go have a beer.

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I've had debates before with great individuals.

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And, even Alan Dershowitz, I've debated this topic with him.

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We were friends afterwards.

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And so I want to say this, Neil.

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I'm all about getting a beer.

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Let's do it. But first, I'm asking you to come on to the

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Highwire and let's have a real debate.

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Well, as it turns out, I did tweet out just days after that

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show and said, "Neil, let's have a debate.

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Let's have a beer." And to his credit, he agreed through a

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group of friends. We came together.

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We came to an agreement on how this debate would happen.

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He came in studio yesterday as he was passing through town.

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I want to thank him for taking the time.

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And that interview is coming up later.

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And I will tell you this. Yes, I do ask some hard questions.

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In fact, I get into asking him, why are you putting out an

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executive producing a documentary that seeks to put me and

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people like Robert Kennedy Jr in a bad light.

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So we are going to pull no punches.

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You will have to see how that all turned out.

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But first, another dynamic individual in this world is the

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surgeon general of Florida.

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We have reported on the fact that he got himself into a lot

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of hot water when he decided to stand on principle and say

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this.

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Surgeon General Joseph Ladapo recommended against giving the

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COVID vaccine to healthy children the first recommendation

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of its kind in the country.

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The guidance from the state says healthy kids ages 5 to 17

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may not benefit from the vaccine and warns 16 to 17 year

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olds the risk of myocarditis due to the COVID 19 vaccines

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may outweigh the benefits.

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It's deeply disturbing that there are politicians peddling

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conspiracy theories out there and casting doubt on

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vaccinations when it is our best tool against the virus and

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the best tool to prevent even teenagers from being

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hospitalized.

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Centers for Disease Control and the US Food and Drug

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Administration called some of Dr.

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Joseph Lapado's claims, quote, incorrect, misleading and

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could be harmful to the American public.

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Young children, thankfully, are at lower risk of bad outcomes

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in older Americans, but that does not mean no risk.

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And in fact, what we've seen is that COVID has been much

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more dangerous and deadly than the flu.

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FDA and CDC leaders told Dr.

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Ladapo, quote, It is the job of public health officials to

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protect the lives of the populations they serve,

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particularly the vulnerable.

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Fueling vaccine hesitancy undermines this effort.

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That was a very surprising, unexpected announcement.

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I don't know.

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What's in his mind. It's truly frightening.

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Well, an amazing turn of events.

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The World Health Organization has just changed its

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determination on the need for vaccination, the COVID

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vaccine. When it comes to children, sage updates, COVID 19

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vaccination guidelines.

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Sage is the strategic advisory group of experts for the

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W.H.O.. This headline explains it all, basically saying

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COVID vaccines are not needed for healthy kids and teens,

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says World Health Organization Doctor Joseph Ladapo tweeted

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out about this. This is what he had to say about it.

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Under my leadership at Health, Florida has been telling

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parents this since March of last year.

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Why did the CDC have so many doctors try to convince you

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otherwise? No wonder there's so much distrust of public

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health officials right now.

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It is my honor and pleasure to be joined by the author of

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"Transcend Fear" Surgeon General of Florida, Dr.

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Joseph Ladapo. Thank you for joining me.

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Always a pleasure Del.

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you always have a brilliant smile and you carry yourself with

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such beautiful candor.

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It must be easier on days like this when you get to have a

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bit of an I told you so.

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So I'm going to give you this opportunity.

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First of all, I'm sure you're aware of what the W.H.O.

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has said. So what are the details of that?

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What is it exactly the W.H.O.

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is now sort of making as their recommendation to the world

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regarding this COVID vaccine in children?

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Thanks, Del. They are they are carefully trying to.

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Trying to dance on this tightrope of saying what the truth is

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without actually saying it.

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And the truth is.

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Children, healthy children, healthy young people shouldn't

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receive this. These mRNA COVID 19 vaccines because the

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benefits are outweighed by the risk.

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I mean, it's unequivocal.

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There's just at this point in the pandemic, there's not even

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any question about that.

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But instead of saying that outright, they use the excuse of

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other vaccines being more important, and it's up to nations

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to decide for themselves.

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But they we're not saying you should do it.

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You can still do it if you want.

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if you want, for example, to to harm the the young people in

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your country. But that's I mean, they're saying what we said

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about a year ago and it's based on the data and that was the

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truth then. It's the truth now.

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What else is there to say?

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And when we look at this recommendation now and as you've

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pointed out, and we obviously have reported on The HighWire

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throughout time, there are real issues with this vaccine,

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known issues that have been before the CDC, been before the

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FDA, issues of myocarditis, pericarditis, blood clots.

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All of these things. But especially in and you've done just

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to sort of recap, you really looked at this in your own

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population. Just remind us sort of in your investigation,

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looking at your population, the data coming in, what is

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really the high risk group in your determination when it

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comes to this vaccine?

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Because it is there is a higher risk for certain individuals

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in demographics, is there not?

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Yeah. Yeah, there is.

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And I think, honestly,the the risks with this vaccine and

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the unknowns are so broad that it's really unclear to me

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that anyone should be receiving them at this point in the

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pandemic. But if you want to hone in on specific risks,

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there are risks with myocarditis and cardiac issues in

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general. And they really do seem to be concentrated in young

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people, young men and boys more than women, but they're

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present in women, too.

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We've done an analysis here of data in Florida, a public

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health surveillance study, and we found somewhere around an

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80% increased risk of cardiac death for young for for for

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young men.

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Yeah. So it's a it's young men dying from their heart,

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suddenly stopping.

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It's very uncommon, fortunately, but it doesn't make it okay

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to increase that risk substantially.

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And just a few weeks ago, a new study came out in a journal,

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Nature Communications.

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So a very good journal that did a similar not quite the

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same, but similar analysis of people and young people in

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England. And they actually found a 70% increased risk that

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was just barely not statistically significant, just barely.

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I mean, just a confidence interval just crossed over one.

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But it was a 70% increased risk in young boys and men of

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cardiac death. So, eventually, God help us, hopefully

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they'll acknowledge it. But it is absolutely real and it

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makes it just not only senseless, but malicious to be giving

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these mRNA COVID 19 vaccines to young men and boys at this

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point in the pandemic. It's crazy, but it's worse than that

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because now there's data that shows that it's that it's I

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mean, it's not some benign procedure.

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One of the things that we do here at our nonprofit Informed

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Consent Action Network is we will bring FOIA requests to CDC

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and FDA, but we will also write letters and ask questions.

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And why are you looking at this data?

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Are you seeing what we are seeing?

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We want a response to what's going on.

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we have the power that we do as a nonprofit, but I think

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even more powerful is as surgeon general of Florida.

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You recently sent a letter to the CDC demanding some answers

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about what are you looking at?

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What we're looking at This is just an excerpt.

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It's a great letter. People can will have it in.

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If you're one of our newsletter members, you can read it.

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But according to a recent study, mRNA COVID 19 vaccines were

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associated with an excess risk of serious adverse events,

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including coagulation disorders, acute cardiac injuries,

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Bell's palsy, encephalitis, to name a few.

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This risk was 1 in 550, much higher than other vaccines.

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To claim these vaccines are safe and effective, while

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minimizing and disregarding the adverse events is

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unconscionable. You go on to finish this letter by saying,

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As a father, physician and surgeon general for the state of

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Florida, I request that your agencies promote transparency

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in health care professionals to accurately communicate the

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risks of these vaccines that these vaccines pose.

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I request that you work to protect the rights and liberties

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that we are endowed with, not restrict and diminish them.

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Very powerful words.

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They responded with a very, very long, set of tropes, I

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would say, that were used too.

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But just to get a sense of what they said.

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This is an excerpt.

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The claims that the increase of vapors, that's the vaccine

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adverse reporting system, reports of life threatening

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conditions reported from Florida and elsewhere represents an

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increase of risk caused by the COVID 19 vaccines is

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incorrect, misleading, and could be harmful to the American

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people. They go on to say a lot of different things and why

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we shouldn't trust the VAER's numbers, which is one of the

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only capture systems we have, as you and I both know.

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Absolutely off the charts, reports of death, reports of

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pericarditis, myocarditis, you name it, anaphylaxis.

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I think these are the recent numbers we now have for this

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vaccine alone, 34,576 reports of deaths after vaccination,

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193,000 hospitalizations.

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147,000. Urgent care.

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226,000. Doctor office visits.

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10,000 anaphylaxis cases.

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16,000 Bell's Palsy.

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They go out of the way to say that just because these

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reports come in doesn't mean they've been verified and

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caused by the vaccine.

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But I think it is disingenuous for them to say that there is

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not a red flag here when it is absolutely far and above in

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numbers. so much bigger than all of the vaccines, all of the

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reports that have ever happened since the beginning of airs

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until COVID.

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This one vaccine is is the Mount Everest above all of that?

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of the W.H.O., in all the science that is, a tidal wave now

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against this vaccine, you work in public health sciences.

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What type of person is still standing their ground here?

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anymore. The facts are that vaccine use in Florida increased

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by about 400%, and these adverse event reports increased by

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1,700%. Wow.

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And the life threatening ones increased by over 4,000%.

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that's in Florida. And I think it's been seen around the

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country. And we're going to respond to their letter, which

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will be fun. But it's they've just they're just completely

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more reports because it was it was doctors had to do it.

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reporting that special about these vaccines at all.

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the letter we'll have to lay out some basic facts and agree

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that, do you guys agree with these things like the two plus

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two equals four? And then if we can agree on can we.

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Find some common ground here?

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So two plus two.

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Are you sure it means that? Because if it does mean.

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going to help speed that along, just as you guys have been

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speeding that along because they it's the thing that they do

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that is wrong is that they prioritize their agendas over

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people. Preserving these mRNA vaccines, preserving whatever

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their ideology is.

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Whoever their master is.

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Preserving those things is more important than truth and

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good health and people.

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And and that that is their fatal flaw.

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Their house is going to keep crumbling for that reason.

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Well, we are just happy that you are in there as a guiding

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light in a state that the world is watching and experiment,

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if you will. It was it was described as an experiment when

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you and Ron DeSantis made some very bold choices early on

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when it came to masks and lockdowns and all of these things,

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and, of course, the vaccinations.

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proving out, you are standing the truth.

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You're using your databases to try and get information that

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all of us are asking about.

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You really, truly are a hero.

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And you got to prove that in a very special way this week by

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actually saving someone's life right inside of the Capitol,

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doing what doctors do best.

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I want to congratulate you.

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Florida Surgeon General Joseph Ladapo saved a man's life at

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the Capitol. The man Tuesday morning suffered a cardiac

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event. The Capitol courtyard Lapado rushed over, performed

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chest compressions and stabilized the man using a

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defibrillator. That's amazing.

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This is a photo is not surprising to all of us.

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What a great guy you are and talented.

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It's amazing.

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What does it feel like to save someone's life?

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Like be directly there in that moment?

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doctor, it would have been like another day because they do

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that kind of thing all the time.

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But I'm an internal medicine doctor and I'm usually not the

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first person at the scene.

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But,  the guy's he's he's he's he's doing well.

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He's a he's a sweet, sweet, sweet man, really nice guy.

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Thank God, because he probably wouldn't be on this planet if

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we weren't there to help him. And thank goodness he does get

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to be on this planet because we all benefit from it.

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He's a very kind, kind man with a big, big heart.

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So. And we're going to be getting together.

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Awesome. Well, Ron DeSantis, your boss gave a shout out.

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This is what he had to say.

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We know we can count on Florida Surgeon General Joe Ladapo

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to protect Floridians against medical authoritarianism,

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fascist decrees.

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And we can also count on him to spring into action and save

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lives in real time.

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Great job, Dr.

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It is such an honor to know you, to know that you're out

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there. I want to thank you for taking the time from your

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incredibly busy schedule.

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I want you to get back to writing that letter to the CDC.

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I can't wait to see what that has in it.

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And we'll continue to watch your progress and anything new

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All right. I always want to follow him on Twitter.

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Here it is, Joseph Ladapo, MD, PhD at Florida Surgeon GE n.

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All right. Thank you so much for joining us and taking the

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Thanks. Thanks, Del.

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Always a pleasure.

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Okay. Well, I mean, it's amazing.

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There's heroes all around us.

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One of them I get to work with every single week.

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It's time for the Jaxen report.

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I don't know if you can hear it over there, Jefferey, but

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it's an absolute monsoon here.

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we've turned into a sound stage, that tin roof, when it

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really starts pouring, I don't know if you can hear it, but

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for the audience out there, that's what's actually going on.

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If there's a rumble in the background.

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But we need all the rain we can get.

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It's washing. It's washing all the bad science away.

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Del It's even.

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Cleansing our souls.

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As Dr. Ladapo said, even the W.H.O.

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is being forced to side with real science here.

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really swinging to reality.

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reporting these things.

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Let's look at the Telegraph here.

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Strong wording in this article.

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Remember the Telegraph, all these other organizations used

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to push for lockdowns.

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Talk about how the great they were.

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Now the evidence is in.

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It says lockdowns kill people.

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Unbelievable. Let's go into this article and see what it

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says. It says, One country held out.

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Sweden, lacking its own pandemic plan, had adopted

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Britain's. And unlike Britain, it did not crack under

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criticism. Sweden is our counterfactual, a laboratory

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quality control showing what would have happened here had we

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held our nerve. And the evidence it presents looks damning.

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A study has found that from 2020 to 2022, Sweden had the

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lowest excess mortality rate in Europe.

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time and actually killed fewer people during the pandemic.

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Strong words here. Del, How did Britain's leaders respond to

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the evidence that they should have stuck to plan?

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Hancock This is Matt Hancock referred in his message to the

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effing Sweden argument and asked officials to, quote, supply

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3 or 4 bullet points of why Sweden was wrong.

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lockdowns killed people Again, these are government

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sanctioned lockdowns and they're saying they killed people.

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Sweden had lots of coronavirus cases, but relatively few

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excess deaths. Australia, which we're going to talk about in

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a second, had few coronavirus cases, but a strict lockdown.

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It ended up with higher excess mortality than Sweden.

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And again, Sweden trusted its people to make the right

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choices. What a what a strange concept.

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And so what did it get for that?

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These are headlines early on.

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approach. Here's a New York Times Sweden tries out a new

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status pariah state.

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Another one, Sweden has become the world's cautionary tale.

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here, Sweden has nearly ten times the number of COVID 19

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related deaths than its Nordic neighbors.

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Here's what went wrong.

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looking like this, asking this question, scratching their

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head, going, I just don't know.

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How did no mandate Sweden end up with such an average

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pandemic? Boy, this is a strange question and this is

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something we've been reporting on for like three years

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Sweden, right? All about COVID all along.

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article. And this is just shocking.

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judgment while minimizing economic and social damage.

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Sweden's GDP fell by 2.9% in 2020, while Britain's collapsed

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by 9.4%.

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Swedish schools kept going throughout with no face masks.

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but the rest of Swedish children went to school as normal.

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inflation, the average math grade sneaked up 2 to 10.1 from

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devastation. I mean, that's an unbelievable.

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of the greatest drops in educational scores in Sweden is

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holding strong, if not increasing because they let their

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schools stay open.

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to earn money over a lifetime is being hurt by this.

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mortality. So that's really the question here.

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throughout this pandemic and a lot of them were ignored.

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listened, if world would have listened to these these type

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Johan Giesecke.

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when he's being interviewed talking about Sweden, Australia

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and the lockdowns. Take a listen.

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You've been a strong critic of the idea of lockdowns.

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Sweden has avoided the sort of lockdowns that we're seeing

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here in Australia. Tell us your thoughts.

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Are lockdowns the correct way to go?

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You introduced me by saying that I would say that you got it

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all wrong. I don't think you got it all wrong, but you

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painted yourself into a corner.

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countries will climb out of the lockdown, because I don't

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think any government that I know gave a minute's thought

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about how they would get out of the different lockdowns that

505
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are installed. Think of school closures, for example.

506
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If you close the schools when you're going to open them,

507
00:24:53.270 --> 00:24:55.370
what's the criterion? I don't think anyone thought about

508
00:24:55.370 --> 00:24:58.130
that when the closure was was decided on.

509
00:24:58.130 --> 00:25:01.790
Now, Johan, you said that you think the results are going to

510
00:25:01.790 --> 00:25:06.050
be similar across most countries regardless of the approach

511
00:25:06.050 --> 00:25:08.120
they've taken. Can you take us through that?

512
00:25:10.270 --> 00:25:14.860
Seeing is a tsunami of a rather mild infection spreading

513
00:25:14.860 --> 00:25:16.000
around the globe.

514
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And I think that's very little chance to stop it.

515
00:25:19.300 --> 00:25:22.660
By any measure we take, most people will become infected by

516
00:25:22.660 --> 00:25:24.520
this, and most people won't even notice.

517
00:25:24.550 --> 00:25:28.910
We have data now from Sweden that shows that between 98 and

518
00:25:28.910 --> 00:25:34.330
99% of the cases have had a very mild infection or didn't

519
00:25:34.330 --> 00:25:36.190
even realize they were infected.

520
00:25:36.730 --> 00:25:41.020
So we have a this spread of of this mild disease around the

521
00:25:41.020 --> 00:25:44.110
globe. And most of it is happening where we don't see it.

522
00:25:44.110 --> 00:25:47.230
It's among people that don't get very sick, spread it to

523
00:25:47.230 --> 00:25:49.330
someone else that doesn't get very sick.

524
00:25:49.330 --> 00:25:52.480
And what we're looking at is a thin layer at the top of

525
00:25:52.480 --> 00:25:55.660
people who do develop disease and even thinner layer of

526
00:25:55.660 --> 00:25:58.780
people that go into intensive care and then even thinner

527
00:25:58.780 --> 00:26:00.190
layer of people who die.

528
00:26:00.220 --> 00:26:03.220
But the real outbreak is happening where we don't see it.

529
00:26:03.400 --> 00:26:06.160
Now here in Australia, we've done an incredibly good job

530
00:26:06.160 --> 00:26:09.130
suppressing it. I'm wondering, do you think we have done too

531
00:26:09.130 --> 00:26:12.290
good a job? Is it possible to do too good a job suppressing

532
00:26:12.290 --> 00:26:15.620
it in the early stages such that then you don't ever wind up

533
00:26:15.620 --> 00:26:18.770
being able to take the foot off the the brake, as it were,

534
00:26:18.770 --> 00:26:19.970
on your restrictions.

535
00:26:20.120 --> 00:26:24.470
You may succeed and New Zealand may also succeed.

536
00:26:24.470 --> 00:26:28.280
But I've been asking myself when New Zealand or Australia

537
00:26:28.280 --> 00:26:31.340
has stamped out every case in the country, what do you do

538
00:26:31.340 --> 00:26:32.930
for the next 30 years?

539
00:26:33.230 --> 00:26:35.390
Will you close your borders completely?

540
00:26:35.390 --> 00:26:38.030
Quarantine for everyone who's going into Australia or New

541
00:26:38.030 --> 00:26:40.880
Zealand because the disease will be out there.

542
00:26:40.880 --> 00:26:43.220
I don't know how you're going to handle that, but that's

543
00:26:43.220 --> 00:26:43.970
your problem.

544
00:26:44.120 --> 00:26:45.530
it's so amazing.

545
00:26:45.530 --> 00:26:49.580
We played that video when it when it came out and and

546
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really, I would say the Highwire and you and I and we sat

547
00:26:52.160 --> 00:26:56.390
with our team of scientists and we basically put it all in

548
00:26:56.390 --> 00:26:59.390
behind Sweden and said we're going to stand with Sweden.

549
00:26:59.390 --> 00:27:00.950
That makes perfect sense to us.

550
00:27:00.950 --> 00:27:03.590
And what we knew about the history of all viruses.

551
00:27:03.590 --> 00:27:05.750
He was making perfect sense.

552
00:27:05.750 --> 00:27:09.620
They say hindsight is 2020, but foresight, I would say, is

553
00:27:09.620 --> 00:27:13.130
historic. And now we have the historic reference to say that

554
00:27:13.130 --> 00:27:15.710
Sweden was clearly right in their approach.

555
00:27:15.710 --> 00:27:17.990
He was right. How are they going to open up?

556
00:27:17.990 --> 00:27:21.410
And here we are on the Highwire and we're able to say, I

557
00:27:21.410 --> 00:27:22.610
think we bet on the right horse.

558
00:27:22.610 --> 00:27:25.130
So everyone watching this may if you're so many of you are

559
00:27:25.130 --> 00:27:27.320
joining us, the millions that are now joining us every week,

560
00:27:27.320 --> 00:27:29.720
maybe you haven't been on this ride from the beginning.

561
00:27:29.720 --> 00:27:31.970
Your friends have told you about it, but these were the

562
00:27:31.970 --> 00:27:34.220
types of videos. This is what you were hearing from if you

563
00:27:34.220 --> 00:27:36.860
were watching the Highwire while Sweden was being attacked

564
00:27:36.860 --> 00:27:40.100
by every news agency in America, we were showing you what

565
00:27:40.100 --> 00:27:43.490
they were saying. And now we know that they were right.

566
00:27:43.490 --> 00:27:46.790
And the reason being, as they said, we're following how

567
00:27:46.790 --> 00:27:49.070
we've always approached this science.

568
00:27:49.070 --> 00:27:53.660
For the last century, the experiment was not Sweden.

569
00:27:53.690 --> 00:27:56.540
The experiment was everybody but Sweden.

570
00:27:56.540 --> 00:28:00.320
Sweden was the only one that acted naturally the way every

571
00:28:00.320 --> 00:28:02.600
nation already had until this virus.

572
00:28:02.600 --> 00:28:03.740
They held that ground.

573
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So we're going to do it like we always have, the way the

574
00:28:05.660 --> 00:28:08.270
world used to. The rest of us did an experiment.

575
00:28:08.270 --> 00:28:11.150
And I know you're about to get into Australia and how that

576
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experiment has turned out.

577
00:28:12.530 --> 00:28:15.320
Yeah, let's look at Australia, particularly Western

578
00:28:15.320 --> 00:28:18.230
Australia. And at that time,  they were talking about

579
00:28:18.230 --> 00:28:19.640
stamping out COVID.

580
00:28:19.670 --> 00:28:23.210
They Australia had perhaps outside of China the most

581
00:28:23.210 --> 00:28:25.220
restrictive COVID zero policy.

582
00:28:25.220 --> 00:28:26.390
Remember COVID zero.

583
00:28:26.420 --> 00:28:28.970
Any case comes up, we lock down everybody.

584
00:28:28.970 --> 00:28:32.300
So here's the headlines at that time back a couple of years

585
00:28:32.300 --> 00:28:35.150
ago, single COVID case in Western Australia leads to five

586
00:28:35.150 --> 00:28:36.860
day lockdown for 2 million.

587
00:28:36.890 --> 00:28:40.010
Another one, one coronavirus case, total lockdown.

588
00:28:40.040 --> 00:28:41.900
Australia's lesson for the World.

589
00:28:41.900 --> 00:28:43.070
That's New York Times again.

590
00:28:43.070 --> 00:28:45.230
So they were actually putting this out forward and saying,

591
00:28:45.230 --> 00:28:46.340
look, you should all be doing this.

592
00:28:46.370 --> 00:28:48.110
Australia is doing such a good job.

593
00:28:48.110 --> 00:28:51.980
But behind those headlines, let's not forget reality of how

594
00:28:52.310 --> 00:28:54.290
Australia was locking people down.

595
00:28:54.290 --> 00:28:57.140
They weren't knocking door to door and saying, gee, can you

596
00:28:57.140 --> 00:28:59.660
please just maybe stay in your home for a while or we trust

597
00:28:59.660 --> 00:29:02.300
you to lock down? No, it looked like this.

598
00:29:02.300 --> 00:29:03.980
Take a look at this video.

599
00:29:07.360 --> 00:29:08.980
Ran down the ground.

600
00:29:09.400 --> 00:29:11.510
On the ground. Koi.

601
00:29:11.600 --> 00:29:21.540
Koi. Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh.

602
00:29:22.240 --> 00:29:24.030
Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

603
00:29:24.030 --> 00:29:28.470
Oh, my God. Leave him alone.

604
00:29:31.770 --> 00:29:33.640
Leave him alone. Get on.

605
00:29:33.790 --> 00:29:35.760
Go on, get.

606
00:29:39.410 --> 00:29:43.030
Just horrific scenes that we've been showing all throughout

607
00:29:43.030 --> 00:29:44.920
this pandemic coming out of Australia.

608
00:29:44.950 --> 00:29:48.730
Really, really shocking in a in a country I think we all

609
00:29:48.730 --> 00:29:51.520
assumed had some rights, human rights and freedom.

610
00:29:51.520 --> 00:29:53.320
But yes, guess not.

611
00:29:53.740 --> 00:29:57.220
One of the ugliest chapters in public health, recent history,

612
00:29:57.220 --> 00:29:58.600
if not history, complete history.

613
00:29:58.600 --> 00:30:00.100
It's just terrible what they did.

614
00:30:00.100 --> 00:30:02.740
Government sanctioned, a police state.

615
00:30:02.980 --> 00:30:05.350
It's not short of the word there.

616
00:30:05.350 --> 00:30:07.630
Another thing happened in Australia.

617
00:30:07.630 --> 00:30:11.200
So we had this hard COVID lockdown and we had this

618
00:30:11.200 --> 00:30:14.500
vaccination push during this hard COVID lockdown.

619
00:30:14.500 --> 00:30:17.830
So let's listen to then Health Minister Greg Hunt.

620
00:30:17.830 --> 00:30:20.500
So this was just as the vaccine was being rolled out.

621
00:30:20.500 --> 00:30:23.260
That was in February 2021 in Australia.

622
00:30:23.260 --> 00:30:26.410
And he had some interesting things to say about the vaccine

623
00:30:26.410 --> 00:30:27.550
looking back at hindsight.

624
00:30:27.580 --> 00:30:28.960
Take a listen to what he says.

625
00:30:29.560 --> 00:30:33.790
So the first goal is trying to protect against the virus

626
00:30:33.790 --> 00:30:37.420
coming into Australia. That's vaccinating the quarantine

627
00:30:37.420 --> 00:30:38.500
workers, border workers.

628
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And so on. The longer term goal is herd immunity.

629
00:30:42.680 --> 00:30:45.290
Well, obviously, that's a that is a long term goal.

630
00:30:45.290 --> 00:30:47.450
But one of the things we've been cautious of is that you

631
00:30:47.450 --> 00:30:49.400
have three factors. You have coverage.

632
00:30:49.850 --> 00:30:54.050
You also have the question of the transmission capacity and

633
00:30:54.050 --> 00:30:57.860
impact. Although the evidence coming out of international

634
00:30:57.860 --> 00:31:00.860
studies now, both clinical trials and real world data, is

635
00:31:00.860 --> 00:31:03.290
that the different vaccines are showing a strong

636
00:31:03.320 --> 00:31:06.470
transmission impact. But we always have to be aware of the

637
00:31:06.470 --> 00:31:10.970
capacity of the virus to mutate and we have to look at what

638
00:31:10.970 --> 00:31:15.230
is called the longevity of the protection with regards to

639
00:31:15.230 --> 00:31:16.850
the antibodies that are developed.

640
00:31:16.850 --> 00:31:18.700
And the world doesn't know that answer.

641
00:31:18.710 --> 00:31:22.730
The world is engaged in the largest clinical trial, the

642
00:31:22.730 --> 00:31:27.320
largest global vaccination trial ever, and we will have

643
00:31:27.320 --> 00:31:28.730
enormous amounts of data.

644
00:31:31.000 --> 00:31:32.350
So there he says it.

645
00:31:32.590 --> 00:31:35.080
An experiment. We're all in an experiment.

646
00:31:35.080 --> 00:31:38.140
So now let's let's really bring this focus down to Western

647
00:31:38.140 --> 00:31:41.830
Australia. And this is encapsulated beautifully in an

648
00:31:41.830 --> 00:31:44.950
article by the Australian outlet Umbrella News and it's

649
00:31:44.950 --> 00:31:47.200
titled How the Hermit Kingdom, it was called the Hermit

650
00:31:47.200 --> 00:31:50.050
Kingdom, became the world's control group for the largest

651
00:31:50.050 --> 00:31:51.580
vaccination trial ever.

652
00:31:51.610 --> 00:31:54.400
It goes on to say this There are few regions in the world

653
00:31:54.400 --> 00:31:57.490
where most of the population was vaccinated before the

654
00:31:57.490 --> 00:32:00.460
spread of COVID in the community sealed off from the rest of

655
00:32:00.460 --> 00:32:02.020
Australia and the world.

656
00:32:02.020 --> 00:32:04.270
For 697 days.

657
00:32:04.270 --> 00:32:05.620
Western Australia is closed.

658
00:32:05.620 --> 00:32:08.750
Border earned it the moniker of the hermit kingdom.

659
00:32:08.770 --> 00:32:11.890
It goes on to say State Premier Mark McGowan noted Western

660
00:32:11.890 --> 00:32:14.380
Australia's unique role in the global vaccination trial,

661
00:32:14.380 --> 00:32:16.870
remarking to a press conference in early 2022.

662
00:32:16.900 --> 00:32:19.540
You see, Western Australia is an experiment.

663
00:32:19.540 --> 00:32:23.050
We basically have had very few omicron cases, we have very

664
00:32:23.050 --> 00:32:25.780
high vaccination levels and we have a very compliant

665
00:32:25.780 --> 00:32:29.380
population. So something else just came out and that was the

666
00:32:29.380 --> 00:32:32.260
Western Australia Safety Surveillance Report for their

667
00:32:32.260 --> 00:32:36.160
vaccinations. This is the 2021 report and it shows some

668
00:32:36.160 --> 00:32:37.840
pretty interesting things in here.

669
00:32:37.840 --> 00:32:42.280
So again, we have this time capsule, this vacuum that was

670
00:32:42.280 --> 00:32:45.340
cut off from the world and it was vaccinated heavily.

671
00:32:45.340 --> 00:32:49.510
And you can see here right around February of 2021, on the

672
00:32:49.510 --> 00:32:52.750
right side is when the shots start going into arms.

673
00:32:52.780 --> 00:32:56.860
March by March, you see an explosion, almost a thousand

674
00:32:56.890 --> 00:32:59.260
individual event reports in March.

675
00:32:59.260 --> 00:33:02.710
And then it goes on from there, April, May, June.

676
00:33:02.740 --> 00:33:05.880
It's peaking in October, but very similar to the VAERS

677
00:33:05.890 --> 00:33:08.530
reports. And if you remember from last week, we talked about

678
00:33:08.530 --> 00:33:11.890
General Dynamics, IT they were the third party contractor

679
00:33:11.890 --> 00:33:15.850
that the CDC brought in to talk to to really handle the

680
00:33:15.850 --> 00:33:17.710
various reports that they were expected to come in.

681
00:33:17.710 --> 00:33:20.950
And very similar to Western Australia, a month after the

682
00:33:20.950 --> 00:33:22.330
shots started going in the arms.

683
00:33:22.330 --> 00:33:26.170
We have their January 2021 report to the CDC leadership and

684
00:33:26.170 --> 00:33:29.650
it said this Two vaccines have been released since the last

685
00:33:29.650 --> 00:33:32.960
report, since release, the number of incoming COVID 19

686
00:33:32.960 --> 00:33:36.230
reports has significantly exceeded the estimated maximum of

687
00:33:36.230 --> 00:33:38.060
1000 reports per day.

688
00:33:38.060 --> 00:33:42.770
As a result, GDIT is unable to meet processing and other

689
00:33:42.770 --> 00:33:46.190
timeframes. GDIT has reached out to the Program office for

690
00:33:46.190 --> 00:33:48.410
guidance and support, so they were over completely

691
00:33:48.410 --> 00:33:50.930
overwhelmed. You can see by this chart here, this is just a

692
00:33:50.930 --> 00:33:52.160
reminder what it looked like there.

693
00:33:52.160 --> 00:33:55.820
They had, within almost just about a week they exceeded that

694
00:33:55.850 --> 00:33:58.910
1000 maximum, which they thought was a high ceiling level.

695
00:33:58.910 --> 00:34:00.530
It just blew it right out of the water.

696
00:34:00.650 --> 00:34:04.040
So these are basically injury reports coming into VAERS.

697
00:34:04.040 --> 00:34:07.520
When we're looking at this data in Australia, these what are

698
00:34:07.520 --> 00:34:11.150
they basically hospitalizations, just seeing that reports

699
00:34:11.150 --> 00:34:15.830
are going up and just over like immediately overnight upon

700
00:34:15.830 --> 00:34:17.300
delivery of the vaccination.

701
00:34:17.300 --> 00:34:20.120
Yeah, this is very similar to the VAERS reporting system.

702
00:34:20.120 --> 00:34:22.640
It's kind of mirrored. It's what Western Australia uses for

703
00:34:22.640 --> 00:34:23.810
their reporting system.

704
00:34:23.810 --> 00:34:27.200
But what's interesting, so you have very little COVID in the

705
00:34:27.200 --> 00:34:30.200
community. About a thousand cases, a little over a thousand

706
00:34:30.200 --> 00:34:34.850
cases in in 2021 in Western Australia throughout the whole

707
00:34:34.850 --> 00:34:38.510
year. But you have all of these reports of these, these

708
00:34:38.510 --> 00:34:41.060
vaccine reports to this this reporting system.

709
00:34:41.060 --> 00:34:44.150
So now when do you start seeing headlines that look like

710
00:34:44.150 --> 00:34:45.430
this? This is in August.

711
00:34:45.440 --> 00:34:48.050
The hospitals start becoming overwhelmed.

712
00:34:48.050 --> 00:34:50.540
Western Australia Hospital, elective surgeries postponed

713
00:34:50.540 --> 00:34:54.080
amidst severe strain on system despite lack of COVID 19, a

714
00:34:54.080 --> 00:34:56.180
very accurate title there for ABC News.

715
00:34:56.180 --> 00:35:00.530
But then in October, remember, October was the highest level

716
00:35:00.530 --> 00:35:04.940
in that chart of of of reports of vaccination harms or

717
00:35:05.030 --> 00:35:06.700
adverse events afterwards.

718
00:35:06.710 --> 00:35:08.330
What else happened in October?

719
00:35:08.330 --> 00:35:11.540
Well, we go back to The Guardian, October 2021.

720
00:35:11.540 --> 00:35:14.090
And you see this title, The Time is Now Western Australia to

721
00:35:14.090 --> 00:35:17.330
mandate COVID vaccines for most workers.

722
00:35:17.330 --> 00:35:21.590
And so in October we have the Premier of Western Australia.

723
00:35:21.590 --> 00:35:24.350
He had to actually speak about this in a press conference.

724
00:35:24.350 --> 00:35:27.770
This is Mark McGowan and he was asked why are these

725
00:35:27.770 --> 00:35:28.820
hospitals being overrun?

726
00:35:28.820 --> 00:35:30.200
Listen to his response.

727
00:35:30.890 --> 00:35:33.460
Look, our hospitals are under enormous pressure.

728
00:35:33.460 --> 00:35:35.470
This is the same in Tasmania.

729
00:35:35.500 --> 00:35:38.920
South Australia, New South Wales, Queensland and Victoria.

730
00:35:38.920 --> 00:35:39.970
Enormous pressure.

731
00:35:40.000 --> 00:35:43.840
This has been something no one has ever seen before.

732
00:35:43.960 --> 00:35:46.150
The growth in demand in our hospitals.

733
00:35:46.450 --> 00:35:51.010
Why it is is hard to hard to know, except that there is some

734
00:35:51.400 --> 00:35:55.510
evidence that some sort of delayed reaction to COVID.

735
00:35:55.510 --> 00:35:59.260
But there is huge numbers of people coming through the

736
00:35:59.260 --> 00:36:01.540
doors. So we're doing everything we can to try and manage

737
00:36:01.540 --> 00:36:01.810
it.

738
00:36:02.410 --> 00:36:05.680
So just to be clear, just to be clear, the only thing that's

739
00:36:05.680 --> 00:36:08.920
changed in Australia is they're now vaccinating the borders

740
00:36:08.920 --> 00:36:11.560
are still closed. No one's flying in from China or anything

741
00:36:11.560 --> 00:36:15.190
like that. The virus, because it was an island, the virus is

742
00:36:15.190 --> 00:36:17.620
not in Australia as it is in the rest of the world.

743
00:36:17.620 --> 00:36:20.200
And I keep thinking about like Geert Van Den Bosch, who we

744
00:36:20.200 --> 00:36:23.920
had on. His biggest concern with the vaccination is you just

745
00:36:23.920 --> 00:36:27.460
shouldn't be delivering a vaccination once you are under

746
00:36:27.460 --> 00:36:29.740
threat and in the middle of a pandemic.

747
00:36:30.090 --> 00:36:32.640
When the virus is running rampant because the vaccine

748
00:36:32.640 --> 00:36:33.870
doesn't have time to ramp up.

749
00:36:33.870 --> 00:36:36.330
You're catching the disease in the middle of it and all

750
00:36:36.330 --> 00:36:37.710
sorts of mayhem will break out.

751
00:36:37.710 --> 00:36:42.300
But this was the one clean experiment for the vaccine,

752
00:36:42.300 --> 00:36:45.360
meaning we're going to deliver it before the virus is here.

753
00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:47.190
There's there's no problems.

754
00:36:47.190 --> 00:36:51.420
And now upon delivering them, we see their hospitals are

755
00:36:51.420 --> 00:36:53.670
overrun. They don't know what to do.

756
00:36:53.700 --> 00:36:55.710
There's only and they're trying to make an explanation.

757
00:36:55.710 --> 00:36:58.620
It is so clear what is causing your hospitals to fill up.

758
00:36:58.620 --> 00:37:00.750
It's the vaccine itself, right?

759
00:37:00.900 --> 00:37:03.450
He says, we've never seen anything like this.

760
00:37:03.450 --> 00:37:05.070
We don't really know what's going on.

761
00:37:05.070 --> 00:37:08.130
Maybe it's some delayed reaction to these COVID cases, the

762
00:37:08.130 --> 00:37:09.510
small number of COVID cases they had.

763
00:37:09.510 --> 00:37:12.480
So Reuters actually had to come out and do a fact check

764
00:37:12.480 --> 00:37:15.690
because people at the time were rightly asking the question,

765
00:37:15.870 --> 00:37:17.070
could this be the vaccines?

766
00:37:17.070 --> 00:37:18.840
Here's the fact check from that time.

767
00:37:19.170 --> 00:37:22.740
Fact check. State Premier did not say Australian hospitals

768
00:37:22.740 --> 00:37:25.800
are full of vaccine injured patients and it says in here

769
00:37:25.800 --> 00:37:28.680
there are impacts of the pandemic on the system.

770
00:37:28.680 --> 00:37:31.900
Increased demand in attendances to hospitals for other

771
00:37:31.900 --> 00:37:34.840
ailments, backlog of elective surgery, more babies being

772
00:37:34.840 --> 00:37:36.130
born during the pandemic, etcetera.

773
00:37:36.130 --> 00:37:37.990
So the spokesperson said.

774
00:37:37.990 --> 00:37:41.020
So unfortunately, we have this data now from this new

775
00:37:41.020 --> 00:37:43.270
surveillance, this vaccine surveillance report.

776
00:37:43.270 --> 00:37:45.820
And we look at let's just look at October.

777
00:37:45.820 --> 00:37:49.030
And we made this graph from the data and this is October.

778
00:37:49.030 --> 00:37:52.900
So COVID cases, adverse events from COVID 19 vaccines versus

779
00:37:52.900 --> 00:37:56.110
COVID 19 cases in October 2021.

780
00:37:56.110 --> 00:37:59.770
So you see the COVID 19 cases mean you're looking at I don't

781
00:37:59.770 --> 00:38:00.940
know, was that 50?

782
00:38:00.940 --> 00:38:05.020
And then the adverse events following immunization, almost

783
00:38:05.020 --> 00:38:08.590
1400 at that point, at that very particular month.

784
00:38:08.590 --> 00:38:11.530
And then we go to the report and what do we find out from

785
00:38:11.530 --> 00:38:17.020
the report in 2021, emergency department and visits and

786
00:38:17.020 --> 00:38:19.870
people admitted to the hospital because of these adverse

787
00:38:19.870 --> 00:38:22.600
events. If you go all the way to the top right, you add

788
00:38:22.600 --> 00:38:26.560
those two numbers up. That's about 57% of the people were

789
00:38:26.560 --> 00:38:29.710
going to hospital because of these adverse events.

790
00:38:29.710 --> 00:38:33.730
So there is there's some information right there of perhaps

791
00:38:33.730 --> 00:38:36.340
why these hospitals would have had an influx, particularly

792
00:38:36.340 --> 00:38:38.680
on that date in October, because that was when the mandates

793
00:38:38.680 --> 00:38:42.280
were coming in. So looking back in retrospect, we can kind

794
00:38:42.280 --> 00:38:46.120
of unravel this and piece it apart and see maybe a truer

795
00:38:46.120 --> 00:38:47.560
picture of what was happening.

796
00:38:47.560 --> 00:38:50.830
And again, wherever you're looking, whether it's the UK, the

797
00:38:50.830 --> 00:38:52.870
mayor's report here in the United States or now Western

798
00:38:52.870 --> 00:38:57.220
Australia's report, you're seeing monumental increases, 20,

799
00:38:57.250 --> 00:39:03.040
30 times the rates of of vaccine, harms reports compared to

800
00:39:03.040 --> 00:39:06.070
before the pandemic when these vaccines start rolling out.

801
00:39:06.070 --> 00:39:08.080
So we have to start asking these questions.

802
00:39:08.080 --> 00:39:13.540
And thankfully, the West Australia, the entire Australia has

803
00:39:13.540 --> 00:39:16.690
just pulled AstraZeneca vaccine from the market.

804
00:39:16.720 --> 00:39:20.350
Now they're following, two years later, in fact, they're

805
00:39:20.350 --> 00:39:22.930
following Denmark, Norway, Iceland, Austria.

806
00:39:22.930 --> 00:39:24.610
They all did this in 2021.

807
00:39:24.610 --> 00:39:26.920
But here's the report now from Australia's Department of

808
00:39:26.920 --> 00:39:30.950
Public Health. And you can see here, it says from Monday the

809
00:39:30.950 --> 00:39:35.230
20th of March 2023, Vaxzevria AstraZeneca is no longer

810
00:39:35.230 --> 00:39:37.540
available as an approved COVID 19 vaccine.

811
00:39:37.540 --> 00:39:38.860
This should be a big headline.

812
00:39:38.860 --> 00:39:42.220
Yeah, it says Pfizer, Moderna or Novavax.

813
00:39:42.220 --> 00:39:45.190
Covid 19 vaccines were preferred over AstraZeneca for people

814
00:39:45.190 --> 00:39:46.930
aged under 60 years.

815
00:39:46.930 --> 00:39:49.840
This was based on the higher risk and observed severity of a

816
00:39:49.840 --> 00:39:53.800
rare side effect called thrombosis with thrombocytopenia

817
00:39:53.830 --> 00:39:56.230
probably something that may lead you to an emergency room

818
00:39:56.230 --> 00:40:00.100
visit after receiving AstraZeneca in people aged under 60

819
00:40:00.100 --> 00:40:02.680
years compared to people aged 60 years and older.

820
00:40:02.740 --> 00:40:05.230
I just think about the work that we do.

821
00:40:05.260 --> 00:40:07.930
Jefferey Australia is one of our bigger audiences.

822
00:40:07.930 --> 00:40:10.900
Everyone watching our show, we were reporting on this issue

823
00:40:10.900 --> 00:40:13.000
of thrombocytopenia from AstraZeneca.

824
00:40:13.000 --> 00:40:16.180
Literally we were seeing it in the trials and we were

825
00:40:16.180 --> 00:40:17.320
reporting it here.

826
00:40:17.320 --> 00:40:19.870
And these are the things that make me feel really good.

827
00:40:19.870 --> 00:40:21.460
Though we cannot save everybody.

828
00:40:21.460 --> 00:40:24.040
Jefferey The reporting you've been doing being on top of

829
00:40:24.040 --> 00:40:26.860
this, I know there are lives that were saved in Australia

830
00:40:26.890 --> 00:40:29.890
because they listened to us when we were showing the data

831
00:40:29.890 --> 00:40:31.950
and nobody, nobody else was.

832
00:40:31.950 --> 00:40:33.540
As we were just talking to Dr.

833
00:40:33.540 --> 00:40:36.690
Joseph Ladapo, though, these health officials that stand

834
00:40:36.690 --> 00:40:40.620
their ground in the face of incredible literally adversity

835
00:40:40.620 --> 00:40:43.950
is the word that pops up. Adversity effects from these

836
00:40:43.950 --> 00:40:46.530
products and only now they're pulling this vaccine.

837
00:40:46.530 --> 00:40:47.850
What does that say?

838
00:40:47.850 --> 00:40:51.120
What happens to the confidence of a population that we're

839
00:40:51.120 --> 00:40:54.150
all lining up until last week getting this vaccine and find

840
00:40:54.150 --> 00:40:57.090
out, wait a minute, how long did you know this problem was

841
00:40:57.090 --> 00:41:00.660
there? God forbid they stumble onto some old episodes of the

842
00:41:00.660 --> 00:41:02.940
highway and say this is being reported all the way back

843
00:41:02.940 --> 00:41:05.910
when. It's really, really outrageous.

844
00:41:05.910 --> 00:41:08.850
And they they cannot public health officials, government

845
00:41:08.850 --> 00:41:11.130
officials, they cannot shift the blame to what they're

846
00:41:11.130 --> 00:41:13.980
calling anti-science conspiracy theory people for spreading

847
00:41:13.980 --> 00:41:17.280
misinformation for this drop of trust in public health.

848
00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:19.860
This is their fault for not acting soon enough.

849
00:41:19.860 --> 00:41:21.210
And this is why Dr.

850
00:41:21.210 --> 00:41:22.890
Ladipo is so important for that.

851
00:41:22.890 --> 00:41:24.900
He's doing things like this because it's showing people in

852
00:41:24.900 --> 00:41:26.700
government actually can do these things.

853
00:41:26.700 --> 00:41:29.490
So Australia as a whole is wrestling with a bigger.

854
00:41:29.900 --> 00:41:32.900
Much like the European Union and the United States and the

855
00:41:32.900 --> 00:41:35.090
UK excess mortality.

856
00:41:35.090 --> 00:41:37.700
So here's some of the headlines coming out of Australia.

857
00:41:37.730 --> 00:41:41.870
Mystery as Australians dying at levels not seen in 80 years

858
00:41:41.900 --> 00:41:44.240
and the UK might be seeing the same phenomenon, that's the

859
00:41:44.240 --> 00:41:47.080
sun. Now let's look at some of this data on a chart.

860
00:41:47.090 --> 00:41:50.060
This is from Australian Government statistics and we have

861
00:41:50.120 --> 00:41:55.120
the percentage change of all cause deaths from 2020 to 2022.

862
00:41:55.130 --> 00:41:58.910
Now this is compared to 2019 before the pandemic and you see

863
00:41:58.910 --> 00:42:02.060
this gray line in that's 2022.

864
00:42:02.090 --> 00:42:05.390
You're up there anywhere from it's toggling between nine to

865
00:42:05.390 --> 00:42:10.940
about 23% all throughout 2022 as these all cause deaths are

866
00:42:10.940 --> 00:42:15.500
up. And you can see them up also in 2020, 2021.

867
00:42:15.500 --> 00:42:17.210
And then we go to a different chart.

868
00:42:17.240 --> 00:42:20.870
This is an Australia age, standardized accumulative all

869
00:42:20.870 --> 00:42:24.200
cause deaths per 100,000 and you can see 2022.

870
00:42:24.230 --> 00:42:25.460
We had a problem here.

871
00:42:25.460 --> 00:42:27.810
It's leading the pack. We have a big problem.

872
00:42:27.920 --> 00:42:28.970
Look at that.

873
00:42:28.970 --> 00:42:30.540
We're past the pandemic.

874
00:42:30.570 --> 00:42:32.880
This is and this is when you think about what Sweden was

875
00:42:32.880 --> 00:42:34.500
saying, how are they going to open up?

876
00:42:34.500 --> 00:42:36.180
They're going to get hit.

877
00:42:36.180 --> 00:42:38.220
In this case, they're like, well, at least we'll be

878
00:42:38.220 --> 00:42:40.560
vaccinated when it hits and we'll have control over it.

879
00:42:40.560 --> 00:42:42.060
And they've done terribly.

880
00:42:42.060 --> 00:42:44.820
I mean, if there's anything to take from this, you could at

881
00:42:44.820 --> 00:42:47.130
least say this. If they want to blame it on COVID and say,

882
00:42:47.130 --> 00:42:50.790
oh, covid's the reason everyone's dying, well, then one

883
00:42:50.790 --> 00:42:52.650
thing we can say for sure, since you were one of the most

884
00:42:52.650 --> 00:42:55.050
vaccinated nations, the only one that got to vaccinate

885
00:42:55.050 --> 00:42:58.770
before the virus got there, this vaccine sucks.

886
00:42:59.230 --> 00:42:59.790
Exactly.

887
00:43:00.420 --> 00:43:03.480
And much like the European Union, we have members of the

888
00:43:03.480 --> 00:43:04.710
Australian Parliament.

889
00:43:04.740 --> 00:43:06.960
We have a senator now, Gerard Rennick.

890
00:43:06.990 --> 00:43:11.160
They're raising the alarm on this all cause death spike,

891
00:43:11.160 --> 00:43:14.400
Major Spike. Listen to what he had to say in Congress.

892
00:43:14.400 --> 00:43:15.150
Take a listen.

893
00:43:15.480 --> 00:43:18.990
We spent hundreds of billions of dollars.

894
00:43:18.990 --> 00:43:22.860
We shut people down for a number of years.

895
00:43:22.860 --> 00:43:23.880
We locked them down.

896
00:43:23.880 --> 00:43:25.950
We locked them out. We locked them up.

897
00:43:26.850 --> 00:43:29.700
We shut down our borders.

898
00:43:29.700 --> 00:43:32.310
People were unable to see loved ones.

899
00:43:32.310 --> 00:43:36.600
I've got friends who, didn't get to see their sister died.

900
00:43:36.990 --> 00:43:43.110
Extremely traumatic circumstances were where people were

901
00:43:43.110 --> 00:43:48.210
denied their fundamental human rights, all in the name of

902
00:43:48.210 --> 00:43:49.500
keeping us safe.

903
00:43:49.500 --> 00:43:55.230
And yet here we are in March 20th, 23, three years since the

904
00:43:55.230 --> 00:43:59.100
actual pandemic, almost to the weekend, actually since we

905
00:43:59.100 --> 00:44:03.690
engaged in this experiment, for want of a better word, and

906
00:44:03.690 --> 00:44:08.250
it looks like tomorrow we will see close to 190,000 deaths

907
00:44:08.250 --> 00:44:10.800
recorded in 2022.

908
00:44:10.800 --> 00:44:15.120
Now, that is almost more than 30,000 deaths higher than what

909
00:44:15.120 --> 00:44:19.710
was recorded in 2019, despite the fact that we've only had a

910
00:44:19.710 --> 00:44:22.500
couple of percent increase in the population.

911
00:44:22.740 --> 00:44:25.170
And at one point there, we actually had a decrease in the

912
00:44:25.170 --> 00:44:28.170
population when everyone decided to pack up and get out if

913
00:44:28.170 --> 00:44:31.980
they could. Those people who had other passports and things

914
00:44:31.980 --> 00:44:36.210
like that. So we deserve an inquiry because the premiers

915
00:44:36.210 --> 00:44:37.830
promised that they would keep us safe.

916
00:44:37.830 --> 00:44:42.390
We had it heard it ad nauseam, back to back every day for

917
00:44:42.390 --> 00:44:45.690
about two years, two and a half years straight.

918
00:44:45.690 --> 00:44:48.030
And yet this is where we're at now.

919
00:44:48.030 --> 00:44:53.370
I think that examining 20 to 2022 excess deaths are very

920
00:44:53.370 --> 00:44:56.970
important. But I actually think it's also very important to

921
00:44:56.970 --> 00:44:59.760
examine excess deaths in 2021.

922
00:44:59.760 --> 00:45:03.900
And the reason why examining excess deaths in 2021 is so

923
00:45:03.900 --> 00:45:06.930
important is that there was next to no COVID in the

924
00:45:06.930 --> 00:45:08.580
community throughout that year.

925
00:45:08.610 --> 00:45:13.230
Therefore, we have a very clear, delineated set of numbers

926
00:45:13.230 --> 00:45:16.710
that can't be tainted by allegations of long COVID or

927
00:45:16.710 --> 00:45:17.880
anything like that.

928
00:45:19.080 --> 00:45:23.400
I keep saying it, man, this thing is unraveling This, castle

929
00:45:23.430 --> 00:45:25.590
built on sand is falling apart.

930
00:45:25.620 --> 00:45:29.610
What an incredible set of statements you have to imagine.

931
00:45:29.610 --> 00:45:30.750
Investigations are happening.

932
00:45:30.750 --> 00:45:32.130
I know the EU is on it now.

933
00:45:32.130 --> 00:45:33.150
Australia is on.

934
00:45:33.150 --> 00:45:36.390
It just it's really so sad.

935
00:45:36.420 --> 00:45:40.410
But what we said at the end, you will not and you and I have

936
00:45:40.410 --> 00:45:42.570
said it through the years, it's going to be the excess

937
00:45:42.570 --> 00:45:45.150
mortality. They can try and package this in different

938
00:45:45.150 --> 00:45:47.520
columns and move it over to flu or say it was heart attacks

939
00:45:47.520 --> 00:45:50.460
or this and that. But in the end, if the excess mortality

940
00:45:50.460 --> 00:45:52.740
goes up, then where do you go from there?

941
00:45:52.740 --> 00:45:55.230
And honestly, there's only two there's only two arguments

942
00:45:55.230 --> 00:45:57.960
that could be on the table right now that it's COVID and

943
00:45:57.960 --> 00:46:01.230
some form of long COVID that affects us or the vaccine.

944
00:46:01.230 --> 00:46:04.050
And I will say, because I believe in science, I am perfectly

945
00:46:04.050 --> 00:46:07.410
open to seeing all the science that you think proves that

946
00:46:07.410 --> 00:46:10.020
COVID is doing this in Australia makes that very difficult

947
00:46:10.020 --> 00:46:12.750
for you, but you are not allowed to take vaccines off the

948
00:46:12.750 --> 00:46:16.350
table because it's the most obvious problem when the side

949
00:46:16.350 --> 00:46:19.440
effects are heart conditions, heart attacks, blood clots,

950
00:46:19.440 --> 00:46:24.330
thrombocytopenia, myocarditis, pericarditis, go ahead, let's

951
00:46:24.330 --> 00:46:26.550
put it on the table. But if you are going to try and just

952
00:46:26.550 --> 00:46:28.710
say we're never going to look at that, the world's not going

953
00:46:28.710 --> 00:46:30.670
to let you get away with it. It's not going to happen.

954
00:46:30.690 --> 00:46:32.050
This game is over in Australia.

955
00:46:32.070 --> 00:46:33.340
They want it to be experiment.

956
00:46:33.360 --> 00:46:36.420
Oh boy, are they the experiment we're going to point to for

957
00:46:36.420 --> 00:46:37.980
probably throughout history.

958
00:46:38.220 --> 00:46:42.450
And Australia gave it the world's greatest try to to stop

959
00:46:42.450 --> 00:46:44.340
this thing, to really stop the spread of this thing.

960
00:46:44.340 --> 00:46:47.460
And as Johann Gieseker said in that clip earlier, how are

961
00:46:47.460 --> 00:46:48.470
you going to open up?

962
00:46:48.480 --> 00:46:49.500
What's it going to look like?

963
00:46:49.500 --> 00:46:51.180
Because in the end, it's not going to matter.

964
00:46:51.180 --> 00:46:52.800
And here's what the data shows.

965
00:46:52.800 --> 00:46:55.590
Let's look at cases of COVID 19 per million.

966
00:46:55.590 --> 00:46:56.970
And this is our world data.

967
00:46:56.970 --> 00:46:58.980
And here's the US and there's Australia.

968
00:46:58.980 --> 00:47:01.770
And you can see there they did a pretty good job for a while

969
00:47:01.770 --> 00:47:05.760
until about September of 2021 and then boom, almost a

970
00:47:05.760 --> 00:47:08.100
straight line up shooting straight up.

971
00:47:08.100 --> 00:47:12.150
And now they've surpassed the United States by about 40% on

972
00:47:12.150 --> 00:47:15.090
this chart. This is a cumulative confirmed COVID 19 cases

973
00:47:15.090 --> 00:47:16.590
per million people.

974
00:47:16.770 --> 00:47:19.140
And they did it in about 19 months.

975
00:47:19.140 --> 00:47:21.030
So they're and this is different, too.

976
00:47:21.060 --> 00:47:22.410
We're talking about injury.

977
00:47:22.410 --> 00:47:24.570
We're talking about deaths. We're looking at infections.

978
00:47:24.570 --> 00:47:28.230
So this vaccine, it's what we've been saying, it increases.

979
00:47:28.350 --> 00:47:31.300
It's clearly increasing their risk because you look how slow

980
00:47:31.300 --> 00:47:34.750
that line is for for America that went along when they just

981
00:47:34.750 --> 00:47:39.010
focused hit it the vaccine and now, boom, they're getting

982
00:47:39.010 --> 00:47:41.200
infected. This vaccine is doing this.

983
00:47:41.200 --> 00:47:43.450
I think this is a part of that immune enhancement we were

984
00:47:43.450 --> 00:47:46.300
worried about. The vaccine is enhancing the disease's

985
00:47:46.300 --> 00:47:49.300
ability to penetrate the cells and cause infection.

986
00:47:49.300 --> 00:47:51.070
Absolutely outrageous.

987
00:47:51.250 --> 00:47:53.380
It's an incredible story and it's not over.

988
00:47:53.380 --> 00:47:54.940
We'll be reporting on this for a while, I think.

989
00:47:54.940 --> 00:47:57.070
And let's move over to the United States, because some

990
00:47:57.070 --> 00:47:58.900
really, really amazing things are happening here in the

991
00:47:58.900 --> 00:48:00.670
United States, similar to what's happening in the rest of

992
00:48:00.670 --> 00:48:02.410
the world. The reporting is different.

993
00:48:02.410 --> 00:48:05.050
People are asking different questions, the right questions.

994
00:48:05.050 --> 00:48:07.840
Let's look at a current Rasmussen report.

995
00:48:07.840 --> 00:48:10.960
And they asked some really interesting questions here, COVID

996
00:48:10.960 --> 00:48:13.480
19 virus deaths versus vaccine deaths.

997
00:48:13.480 --> 00:48:16.300
And one of the first things it said here was it just kind of

998
00:48:16.300 --> 00:48:18.880
give you a window of how this this pandemic may be coming

999
00:48:18.880 --> 00:48:20.590
really to an end in people's minds.

1000
00:48:20.590 --> 00:48:25.060
55% of Republicans, 43% of Democrats and 45% of the

1001
00:48:25.060 --> 00:48:28.300
unaffiliated are less concerned about COVID 19 than they

1002
00:48:28.330 --> 00:48:31.060
were a year ago. That translates to less fearful.

1003
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They're not going to comply with anything really as much as

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they did. Right. The fear is lowering.

1005
00:48:36.460 --> 00:48:39.130
But then they ask the question, and this is really the

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00:48:39.130 --> 00:48:42.460
bombshell question as far as, moving it from political

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00:48:42.460 --> 00:48:46.480
groups. They ask, who believes that someone in your family

1008
00:48:46.480 --> 00:48:50.860
has died from a COVID 19 infection or a COVID 19

1009
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vaccination? Check out this chart.

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00:48:53.710 --> 00:48:55.270
Broke it down into a chart here.

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We have Democrats on the left, Republicans in the middle and

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unaffiliated in on the right side.

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And it's just about even between COVID 19 or COVID 19

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00:49:04.750 --> 00:49:08.110
vaccination. So people are now really starting to question

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00:49:08.110 --> 00:49:11.680
if this COVID 19 vaccination has killed people in their

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family. People have died from this shot in their family.

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00:49:14.350 --> 00:49:19.630
This is an actual question that's getting, 15% of of people

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00:49:19.630 --> 00:49:22.030
answering this and saying, yeah, I think I think this might

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be it. I mean, wow, amazing results.

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But that's not only it.

1021
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So we have, people like Jay Bhattacharya, people like Scott

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00:49:29.650 --> 00:49:33.250
Atlas, they were vilified in the media for years.

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00:49:33.250 --> 00:49:37.630
And now we're seeing headlines like this, Save Stanford,

1024
00:49:37.640 --> 00:49:39.160
that Stanford University, a point.

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00:49:39.160 --> 00:49:41.320
Scott Atlas or Jay Bhattacharya as president.

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This is from American Thinker.

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00:49:42.670 --> 00:49:45.610
It says, the board of trustees should offer the presidency

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to either Dr. Atlas or Dr.

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00:49:47.350 --> 00:49:50.800
Bhattacharya and begin the process of restoring Stanford's

1030
00:49:50.800 --> 00:49:53.260
reputation. The task is enormous, but the doctors could

1031
00:49:53.260 --> 00:49:55.270
start with bold measures to assure the public that the

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00:49:55.270 --> 00:49:57.070
scientists are trustworthy.

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00:49:57.070 --> 00:49:59.650
In the age when we're asked to trust the science.

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00:49:59.650 --> 00:50:02.710
And at the time right now, Stanford's current president is

1035
00:50:02.710 --> 00:50:06.190
going through an internal review for for, I believe, fraud.

1036
00:50:06.190 --> 00:50:07.840
So this is really interesting headline.

1037
00:50:07.840 --> 00:50:11.140
And remember, just looking back, Stanford's professors, Jay

1038
00:50:11.140 --> 00:50:14.290
Bhattacharya, was put on a trend's blacklist for Twitter,

1039
00:50:14.290 --> 00:50:18.250
and that was during the the Declaration, the Great

1040
00:50:18.250 --> 00:50:19.780
Barrington Declaration. We put that out.

1041
00:50:19.780 --> 00:50:21.250
They were allowed that not to trend.

1042
00:50:21.250 --> 00:50:22.840
That was before Elon Musk take over.

1043
00:50:22.840 --> 00:50:24.640
And we all remember Scott Atlas.

1044
00:50:24.640 --> 00:50:25.660
He was treated terribly.

1045
00:50:25.660 --> 00:50:28.360
This is Stanford's own paper, his own publication.

1046
00:50:28.360 --> 00:50:31.960
Around 100 Stanford faculty members condemn Hoover.

1047
00:50:31.960 --> 00:50:35.530
Fellow and White House adviser Scott Atlas has controversial

1048
00:50:35.530 --> 00:50:37.270
views on COVID 19.

1049
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But in the middle of this whole thing, as it's switching, as

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00:50:39.790 --> 00:50:42.490
people are really starting to question, no matter what

1051
00:50:42.490 --> 00:50:46.750
political affiliation, if this vaccine is really going to is

1052
00:50:46.780 --> 00:50:48.760
really hurt people during this pandemic.

1053
00:50:48.760 --> 00:50:51.910
We have Robert f Kennedy Jr, someone that's been on our show

1054
00:50:51.910 --> 00:50:57.220
before announced he filed to run for presidency in the 2024

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00:50:57.220 --> 00:51:00.430
election. RFK Jr will challenge Biden for the 2024

1056
00:51:00.430 --> 00:51:02.800
democratic presidential nomination.

1057
00:51:02.800 --> 00:51:08.950
So Del, the world has changed and, we're here not because we

1058
00:51:08.950 --> 00:51:11.830
we chased a trend or jumped on a bandwagon.

1059
00:51:11.830 --> 00:51:16.120
It's because we stood our ground in the truth as we found

1060
00:51:16.120 --> 00:51:18.990
it. And and we were right in our hearts.

1061
00:51:19.000 --> 00:51:21.370
What a difference six years makes.

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00:51:21.370 --> 00:51:24.550
And I say that because today Jefferey whether you I'm not

1063
00:51:24.550 --> 00:51:25.990
sure if you recognize it or not.

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00:51:25.990 --> 00:51:28.840
This is our six year anniversary for the Highwire.

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00:51:28.870 --> 00:51:32.930
This. So today marks our sixth year with The HighWire.

1066
00:51:32.930 --> 00:51:35.780
We're celebrating it. And when we look back, look at where

1067
00:51:35.780 --> 00:51:39.020
we are, folks. The conversation about vaccinations.

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00:51:39.020 --> 00:51:42.470
My first episode was with interviewing my wife, Lee said.

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00:51:42.620 --> 00:51:43.790
Let me take a crack at this.

1070
00:51:43.820 --> 00:51:47.120
It was amazing. Then, of course, we had some some great

1071
00:51:47.120 --> 00:51:50.060
moments. That was me going after Bill Nye and some of the

1072
00:51:50.060 --> 00:51:51.440
stupid things he'd said.

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And slowly the show grew.

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You grew with us. Our audience went from hundreds to

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00:51:55.790 --> 00:51:58.080
thousands to tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands.

1076
00:51:58.130 --> 00:52:01.910
Now millions are watching and we're growing every single

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00:52:01.910 --> 00:52:08.300
week. Jefferey You are, my partner, truth it every week.

1078
00:52:08.300 --> 00:52:09.980
I'm proud of the work that we've done.

1079
00:52:09.980 --> 00:52:13.790
we get to look back, we knew the cameras were rolling.

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00:52:13.790 --> 00:52:16.820
We knew that we were really betting on the thoughts we were

1081
00:52:16.820 --> 00:52:18.860
following. We it's not us alone.

1082
00:52:18.860 --> 00:52:21.140
There's a great international team of scientists that is

1083
00:52:21.140 --> 00:52:24.320
helping advise us so that, we don't take all the credit.

1084
00:52:24.350 --> 00:52:26.300
We are really running this through a lot of different

1085
00:52:26.300 --> 00:52:28.430
filters. But we were watching Sweden.

1086
00:52:28.430 --> 00:52:29.640
We knew what it was happening.

1087
00:52:29.640 --> 00:52:32.610
We were reading the FDA documents and if people were

1088
00:52:32.610 --> 00:52:35.760
watching The HighWire in, some come up to me and they say,

1089
00:52:35.760 --> 00:52:36.990
it's like you were psychic.

1090
00:52:36.990 --> 00:52:39.900
No, no. We just knew where to look and we knew what the

1091
00:52:39.900 --> 00:52:42.570
truth looked like and what baloney looks like.

1092
00:52:42.570 --> 00:52:45.840
And if you've been following The HighWire, this is how it's

1093
00:52:45.840 --> 00:52:48.600
gone down. Jefferey Thank you so much for this brilliant six

1094
00:52:48.600 --> 00:52:53.190
years. I look forward to, many, many more.

1095
00:52:54.030 --> 00:52:55.170
We're only going to grow from here.

1096
00:52:55.170 --> 00:52:56.490
So thank you so much.

1097
00:52:56.610 --> 00:52:59.580
Absolutely. It's been a pleasure and looking forward to the

1098
00:52:59.580 --> 00:53:00.840
future. It's going to be huge.

1099
00:53:00.840 --> 00:53:02.580
It's going to be huge. All right, folks.

1100
00:53:02.580 --> 00:53:05.250
Well, look, we love the fact that you're sharing our show

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with everybody.

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We are doing bigger and bigger investigations, getting

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bigger and bigger guests, bringing larger lawsuits, more

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powerful lawsuits.

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You've been watching us win.

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All of the work that we're doing is made possible because of

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you. We have no sponsors.

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Remember, when you're watching television, it's Pharma, it's

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00:53:24.270 --> 00:53:27.780
Merck, it's Pfizer, it's Sanofi, Aventis, it's Moderna that

1110
00:53:27.780 --> 00:53:30.930
is paying those news anchors to lie to you.

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And then you're buying your cable bill and then paying these

1112
00:53:34.410 --> 00:53:36.180
people to lie to you even more.

1113
00:53:36.180 --> 00:53:39.330
And now they're getting into your sitcoms and putting ideas

1114
00:53:39.330 --> 00:53:42.300
out there into your cartoons and getting to your kids.

1115
00:53:42.300 --> 00:53:45.570
Meanwhile, we're here in so many of you are sitting back on

1116
00:53:45.570 --> 00:53:48.180
your couch and saying, I love this show, but I'm going to

1117
00:53:48.180 --> 00:53:49.770
pay the people that are lying to me.

1118
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Why don't you change that?

1119
00:53:51.000 --> 00:53:54.120
Why don't you celebrate our six year anniversary right now?

1120
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Say they're still here.

1121
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My God, They've gotten it right.

1122
00:53:57.600 --> 00:53:59.130
We're almost immaculate here.

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I mean, I don't want to get ahead of myself, but I just want

1124
00:54:01.740 --> 00:54:04.560
to say that we have worked hard to get it right.

1125
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You have been allowed to repeat the things that we've said

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here, and it has stood up and stood the test of time.

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You should be proud, too.

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And if you are not a part of the Informed Consent Action

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Network, which is all of us, it's going to take all of us to

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make change.

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Or for those of you that have had incredible success in your

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lives, we have some really big projects that we're working

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then contact us at info at I can decide.org and we'll have a

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private conversation with you about those things.

1144
00:55:00.570 --> 00:55:06.210
Okay. Coming up is another bucket list moment for me.

1145
00:55:06.210 --> 00:55:09.390
And one of the things that we've always struggled with is

1146
00:55:09.390 --> 00:55:13.590
getting anyone from the other side to actually sit down and

1147
00:55:13.590 --> 00:55:16.650
have a debate. They like to run a bunch of headlines and say

1148
00:55:16.650 --> 00:55:20.040
that we're just a bunch of emotional idiots that don't know

1149
00:55:20.040 --> 00:55:23.250
what we're talking about anti-science, anti-vaccine, blah,

1150
00:55:23.250 --> 00:55:24.980
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

1151
00:55:24.990 --> 00:55:27.420
I deal with those attacks all the time.

1152
00:55:27.420 --> 00:55:30.030
New York Times, Washington Post, CNN, all of them.

1153
00:55:30.030 --> 00:55:33.950
And then I hear from the Paul Offit's and the, Peter Hotez

1154
00:55:33.960 --> 00:55:35.220
that want to attack.

1155
00:55:35.220 --> 00:55:39.060
But, when we started seeing statements coming from Neil

1156
00:55:39.060 --> 00:55:42.780
DeGrasse Tyson, I'll be honest with you, we were trying to

1157
00:55:42.780 --> 00:55:45.660
figure out if we're going to have a debate, who could host

1158
00:55:45.660 --> 00:55:47.850
that debate, who could moderate it, that the world would

1159
00:55:47.850 --> 00:55:51.090
trust? And one of my suggestions was Neil DeGrasse Tyson.

1160
00:55:51.090 --> 00:55:53.700
I said he always seems to be fairly open minded.

1161
00:55:53.700 --> 00:55:55.680
He's charismatic, he's dynamic.

1162
00:55:55.680 --> 00:55:57.510
Maybe we should reach out to him.

1163
00:55:57.510 --> 00:56:00.510
And I remember it was actually Robert Kennedy Jr that said

1164
00:56:00.510 --> 00:56:02.820
to me, I don't think so. I think he's on the other side.

1165
00:56:02.820 --> 00:56:06.990
Well, we played the clips earlier and clearly he is pro

1166
00:56:06.990 --> 00:56:08.910
vaccine, especially this COVID vaccine.

1167
00:56:08.910 --> 00:56:13.080
He made some statements that were clearly incorrect based on

1168
00:56:13.080 --> 00:56:15.570
the science. I put out the challenge.

1169
00:56:15.570 --> 00:56:18.690
I asked him to come in and he agreed to do that.

1170
00:56:18.690 --> 00:56:22.980
So to his testament to standing into, the integrity that he

1171
00:56:22.980 --> 00:56:26.400
does have, he did something that no other scientist in this

1172
00:56:26.400 --> 00:56:27.720
space has done.

1173
00:56:27.990 --> 00:56:29.250
He came in yesterday morning.

1174
00:56:29.570 --> 00:56:33.560
And I had the opportunity to to bring him in, to sit down.

1175
00:56:33.560 --> 00:56:37.460
He took time out of his busy schedule to have this

1176
00:56:37.460 --> 00:56:40.430
conversation. And I want to say this.

1177
00:56:40.430 --> 00:56:44.720
This is a fairly so many people ask Dell, how is it I talk

1178
00:56:44.720 --> 00:56:45.910
to the people that aren't listening to me?

1179
00:56:45.920 --> 00:56:48.900
How do I talk to my mother or my father or my brother or my,

1180
00:56:48.930 --> 00:56:51.440
my my sister's a nurse or a doctor.

1181
00:56:51.950 --> 00:56:55.160
I want you to watch how I have this conversation.

1182
00:56:55.160 --> 00:56:59.000
And I want to say that what I hope that you get out of this

1183
00:56:59.000 --> 00:57:02.780
as you watch what happens here, that there is a way for us

1184
00:57:02.780 --> 00:57:07.970
to respect each other, to be kind with each other and to

1185
00:57:07.970 --> 00:57:09.980
listen. I've said it from the beginning.

1186
00:57:09.980 --> 00:57:13.700
If you are not listening to them, if you're not curious

1187
00:57:13.700 --> 00:57:17.780
about their perspective, then why would they be curious and

1188
00:57:17.780 --> 00:57:19.250
listen to yours?

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00:57:19.280 --> 00:57:23.930
And so in this, I take my time to allow Neil deGrasse Tyson,

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who said, I don't really want to get into this vaccine

1191
00:57:27.350 --> 00:57:30.210
thing, I really want this conversation to be the focus on

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00:57:30.210 --> 00:57:31.350
the scientific method.

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00:57:31.350 --> 00:57:34.530
And I said, Fine, let's get into the scientific method.

1194
00:57:34.530 --> 00:57:38.130
But in this in the middle of this conversation, I have to

1195
00:57:38.130 --> 00:57:41.100
say, though, that he has a documentary out there that is

1196
00:57:41.100 --> 00:57:44.400
attacking me and attacking Robert Kennedy Jr It's about to

1197
00:57:44.400 --> 00:57:47.010
come out. And so I knew that those things had to come out,

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but it was all about the scientific method.

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So sit back and I want to say this if you don't have the

1200
00:57:51.780 --> 00:57:54.180
time right now, I think it's about an hour and 45 minutes.

1201
00:57:54.180 --> 00:57:56.340
It's an interview. You're going to watch it, but it's also a

1202
00:57:56.340 --> 00:57:59.460
moment. If you don't have the time, please come back and

1203
00:57:59.460 --> 00:58:01.680
watch this another time, because it's just like when I was a

1204
00:58:01.680 --> 00:58:04.860
screenwriter. I want you to see how this happens.

1205
00:58:04.860 --> 00:58:08.700
I want you to see how a real conversation can unfold when

1206
00:58:08.700 --> 00:58:12.390
you actually ask them questions, feel where they're at, and

1207
00:58:12.390 --> 00:58:15.810
then you start using the tools they're handing you about how

1208
00:58:15.810 --> 00:58:17.490
they see this conversation.

1209
00:58:17.490 --> 00:58:21.930
Watch how I start using those tools to get to the point that

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00:58:21.930 --> 00:58:23.100
I want to make.

1211
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This is my debate or interview of Neil deGrasse Tyson.

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I want to thank him ahead of time.

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00:58:29.010 --> 00:58:32.460
This for those of you that don't know who he is, this is how

1214
00:58:32.460 --> 00:58:35.100
we have grown up and gotten to know him.

1215
00:58:35.670 --> 00:58:38.880
I know astronomy can seem a little daunting and scientific,

1216
00:58:38.880 --> 00:58:41.760
but I have a friend who I think can make it pretty

1217
00:58:41.760 --> 00:58:48.610
interesting. Neil deGrasse Tyson, astrophysicist Neil

1218
00:58:48.610 --> 00:58:51.270
deGrasse Tyson from the Hayden Planetarium in New York.

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Joining me is the man who knows everything about the

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00:58:53.440 --> 00:58:55.480
universe. The great Neil deGrasse Tyson.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson.  He was director of the Hayden

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00:58:58.450 --> 00:59:01.260
Planetarium at the American Museum of Natural History.

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00:59:01.270 --> 00:59:04.090
The acclaimed astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson has spent

1224
00:59:04.090 --> 00:59:07.420
decades exploring the mysteries of our universe and also

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00:59:07.420 --> 00:59:09.850
explaining them in ways that we can understand.

1226
00:59:10.060 --> 00:59:11.740
Hi, I'm Neil deGrasse Tyson.

1227
00:59:11.740 --> 00:59:16.090
We're asking six big questions on this episode.

1228
00:59:16.180 --> 00:59:18.430
Where did we come from?

1229
00:59:18.850 --> 00:59:24.700
The compelling story of how you destroyed Pluto's life.

1230
00:59:24.860 --> 00:59:29.530
I did not. Pluto was since 1930 a planet.

1231
00:59:29.560 --> 00:59:31.560
He had stature. He had friends.

1232
00:59:31.570 --> 00:59:34.360
You come along and say, da da da da.

1233
00:59:35.530 --> 00:59:36.700
Pluto had it coming.

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00:59:36.700 --> 00:59:39.940
I just want to say, I try to always take a new, fresh

1235
00:59:39.940 --> 00:59:43.090
perspective on who and what we are by wondering what an

1236
00:59:43.090 --> 00:59:47.440
alien might think of us. We are part of this universe.

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00:59:47.770 --> 00:59:49.750
We are in this universe.

1238
00:59:50.800 --> 00:59:54.880
But perhaps more important is that the universe is in us.

1239
00:59:54.910 --> 00:59:57.760
My atoms came from those stars.

1240
00:59:57.800 --> 01:00:01.660
We fly all the warring factions of the UN into space and

1241
01:00:01.660 --> 01:00:04.450
have them look down on earth and all the national borders

1242
01:00:04.450 --> 01:00:09.130
dissolve. So we realize how small and fragile we are here on

1243
01:00:09.130 --> 01:00:11.050
Earth and what we have to protect.

1244
01:00:11.080 --> 01:00:15.010
The scientific truth is what you establish to be true

1245
01:00:15.100 --> 01:00:18.640
through experiment observations, repeated, verified, and

1246
01:00:18.640 --> 01:00:20.050
when that is done.

1247
01:00:22.110 --> 01:00:24.300
It is true whether or not you believe in it.

1248
01:00:24.420 --> 01:00:28.590
And if you're going to base laws and right on something that

1249
01:00:28.590 --> 01:00:31.740
has to apply to everybody, it seems to me the objective

1250
01:00:31.740 --> 01:00:34.950
truth should be your primary motive and hypothesis.

1251
01:00:34.950 --> 01:00:37.320
You test it. I get a result.

1252
01:00:37.740 --> 01:00:41.340
A rival of mine double checks it because they think I might

1253
01:00:41.340 --> 01:00:44.010
be wrong. They perform an even better experiment than I did,

1254
01:00:44.010 --> 01:00:47.280
and they find out, Hey, this experiment matches.

1255
01:00:48.720 --> 01:00:51.450
Oh, my gosh, we're on to something here.

1256
01:00:52.290 --> 01:00:58.200
And out of this rises a new emergent truth.

1257
01:01:00.400 --> 01:01:04.000
It does it better than anything else we have ever come up

1258
01:01:04.000 --> 01:01:05.830
with as human beings.

1259
01:01:10.630 --> 01:01:12.070
This is science.

1260
01:01:13.440 --> 01:01:15.120
It's not something to toy with.

1261
01:01:17.010 --> 01:01:18.270
It's not something to say.

1262
01:01:18.270 --> 01:01:20.380
I choose not to believe E equals MC squared.

1263
01:01:20.400 --> 01:01:25.290
You don't have that option when you have an established

1264
01:01:25.290 --> 01:01:26.910
scientific emerging truth.

1265
01:01:26.940 --> 01:01:29.250
It is true whether or not you believe in it.

1266
01:01:29.250 --> 01:01:34.230
And the sooner you understand that, the faster we can get on

1267
01:01:34.230 --> 01:01:37.380
with the political conversations about how to solve the

1268
01:01:37.380 --> 01:01:39.060
problems that face us.

1269
01:01:39.090 --> 01:01:46.410
All of these parts of society could benefit from a dose of a

1270
01:01:46.410 --> 01:01:47.520
cosmic perspective.

1271
01:01:47.520 --> 01:01:50.610
Just what does that look like from above, but also an

1272
01:01:50.610 --> 01:01:55.920
infusion of science literacy and critical thinking in a way

1273
01:01:55.920 --> 01:01:59.550
where your argument that you thought you held firmly and you

1274
01:01:59.550 --> 01:02:02.250
thought you were opposite the person you were fighting with,

1275
01:02:02.280 --> 01:02:06.750
in fact, from another perch, you could learn that you both

1276
01:02:06.750 --> 01:02:12.060
actually agree more than you disagree or you're both equally

1277
01:02:12.060 --> 01:02:14.890
wrong and you realize it together.

1278
01:02:15.790 --> 01:02:18.970
All right. It is my absolute honor and pleasure to be joined

1279
01:02:18.970 --> 01:02:21.470
right now by Neil deGrasse Tyson.

1280
01:02:21.490 --> 01:02:23.830
Hi, sir. Hey, it's really great to have you here.

1281
01:02:23.880 --> 01:02:25.660
It's quite a quite a compilation there.

1282
01:02:25.660 --> 01:02:27.760
You don't need you got you got it all.

1283
01:02:27.850 --> 01:02:30.520
All done. All I need to do is shake your hand, and we're good

1284
01:02:30.520 --> 01:02:30.800
to go.

1285
01:02:30.820 --> 01:02:32.440
Let's go out for a beer. I'm ready for it.

1286
01:02:32.740 --> 01:02:36.190
Sounds great. I mean, I want to just say right up front that

1287
01:02:36.190 --> 01:02:38.980
you have been an absolute inspiration in this world.

1288
01:02:38.980 --> 01:02:43.570
And for for me, growing up, watching your approach to

1289
01:02:43.570 --> 01:02:47.470
science, I think you gave so many like me a passion for

1290
01:02:47.470 --> 01:02:52.540
science and, your gift to this world really in many ways is

1291
01:02:52.540 --> 01:02:55.720
unmeasurable. It's really been spectacular to watch you

1292
01:02:55.750 --> 01:02:57.180
throughout our life. Thank you.

1293
01:02:57.190 --> 01:03:00.460
Thank you. I want to sort of start out by playing a video

1294
01:03:00.460 --> 01:03:03.430
that sort of is what brought us together.

1295
01:03:03.460 --> 01:03:07.240
Very simply, you were on this podcast with Patrick Bet-david

1296
01:03:07.240 --> 01:03:09.670
and you had this beer comment to make.

1297
01:03:09.670 --> 01:03:10.900
So let's just take a look really quick.

1298
01:03:10.930 --> 01:03:11.320
Sure. All right.

1299
01:03:12.390 --> 01:03:14.670
Are you for scientific debate.

1300
01:03:15.620 --> 01:03:17.930
So in a scientific debate.

1301
01:03:17.960 --> 01:03:19.610
Here's how that unfolds.

1302
01:03:19.640 --> 01:03:21.230
I'm in conversation with you.

1303
01:03:21.620 --> 01:03:23.030
Let's call it a debate.

1304
01:03:23.120 --> 01:03:28.370
We know you and I know walking into that room, either I'm

1305
01:03:28.370 --> 01:03:29.510
right and you're wrong.

1306
01:03:29.840 --> 01:03:34.610
You're right and I'm wrong or we're both wrong.

1307
01:03:34.640 --> 01:03:37.020
We know that in advance.

1308
01:03:37.040 --> 01:03:38.540
So we start having the conversation.

1309
01:03:38.540 --> 01:03:40.070
Well, what about these data? What about these?

1310
01:03:40.160 --> 01:03:41.510
I think those data are flawed.

1311
01:03:41.510 --> 01:03:43.250
And here's why. Well, how about this?

1312
01:03:43.250 --> 01:03:44.630
Yes, that's a debate.

1313
01:03:44.630 --> 01:03:46.400
But you know how that debate ends.

1314
01:03:46.430 --> 01:03:51.650
It depends where, we need this new data set to resolve this

1315
01:03:51.650 --> 01:03:54.440
difference. Now let's go have a beer.

1316
01:03:55.250 --> 01:03:58.100
I have never seen that happen in a political debate.

1317
01:03:58.770 --> 01:04:02.280
So I reached out based on that, just put out a tweet and you

1318
01:04:02.280 --> 01:04:03.510
sort of respond to that.

1319
01:04:03.510 --> 01:04:08.700
Some people shared that with you, and here we are and ready

1320
01:04:08.700 --> 01:04:12.570
for you. That's already a testament to, I think, your

1321
01:04:12.570 --> 01:04:14.370
integrity that you don't just say things.

1322
01:04:14.370 --> 01:04:15.960
And I really love that we're here.

1323
01:04:15.960 --> 01:04:19.140
Now, when we discussed this conversation, what you said you

1324
01:04:19.140 --> 01:04:22.650
really wanted to focus on is the scientific method, which I

1325
01:04:22.650 --> 01:04:23.100
think is.

1326
01:04:23.100 --> 01:04:26.040
Just how science works and why it works at all.

1327
01:04:26.040 --> 01:04:29.490
Yeah, right. So. So let me put it to you then.

1328
01:04:29.520 --> 01:04:33.960
The scientific method science for for a my audience out

1329
01:04:33.960 --> 01:04:37.200
there, what do you want them to know about how science

1330
01:04:37.200 --> 01:04:37.830
works?

1331
01:04:38.340 --> 01:04:45.240
I'd like to start with an earlier element of this, which is.

1332
01:04:45.880 --> 01:04:52.540
The embarrassing inability for the human mind to embrace

1333
01:04:52.540 --> 01:04:54.230
probability and statistics.

1334
01:04:54.250 --> 01:04:58.780
Okay. And when I say embarrassing, it's it's on a level

1335
01:04:58.780 --> 01:05:01.850
where. Well, let me back up further.

1336
01:05:01.880 --> 01:05:04.160
Do you know major branches of mathematics?

1337
01:05:04.400 --> 01:05:07.640
We start with, like, arithmetic and then algebra, then

1338
01:05:07.640 --> 01:05:12.440
trigonometry, and then throw in some more, even calculus.

1339
01:05:12.650 --> 01:05:15.860
Do you realize that our full understanding of probability.

1340
01:05:16.410 --> 01:05:21.990
And statistics did not occur until after as a branch of math

1341
01:05:21.990 --> 01:05:25.230
did not occur until after those other branches of math were

1342
01:05:25.230 --> 01:05:28.020
developed. And you might say why?

1343
01:05:28.740 --> 01:05:30.660
What's a simple statistics you can take?

1344
01:05:30.690 --> 01:05:33.090
You can just take an average of numbers.

1345
01:05:33.120 --> 01:05:35.370
Do you realize the first time someone took an average of

1346
01:05:35.370 --> 01:05:38.640
numbers and said this could be helpful was after all of

1347
01:05:38.640 --> 01:05:41.460
those entire branches of math were established?

1348
01:05:41.470 --> 01:05:46.800
So what that tells me is that it is not a native way for the

1349
01:05:46.800 --> 01:05:49.920
human mind to observe and think about the world.

1350
01:05:50.490 --> 01:05:52.410
It's a stress point.

1351
01:05:52.410 --> 01:06:00.930
It's your intuition you want to rely on rather than a pure

1352
01:06:00.960 --> 01:06:05.940
statistic. And that gets us into trouble because our

1353
01:06:05.940 --> 01:06:08.070
feelings matter so much to us.

1354
01:06:08.100 --> 01:06:08.290
Right.

1355
01:06:08.370 --> 01:06:12.960
And in the face of raw statistical data, it's so easy to say,

1356
01:06:12.960 --> 01:06:14.490
I'm going to go with my feelings, right?

1357
01:06:14.490 --> 01:06:17.320
Because I trust my feelings on this.

1358
01:06:17.320 --> 01:06:21.430
And it's very hard to trust dispassionate data when that

1359
01:06:21.430 --> 01:06:25.330
happens. So it's why TV commercials, if I happen to have a

1360
01:06:25.330 --> 01:06:27.850
good product and I have good evidence that it's a good

1361
01:06:27.850 --> 01:06:30.550
product, I can just show you a bar chart or something and

1362
01:06:30.550 --> 01:06:32.860
say, Here we are on the top end of this, go buy it.

1363
01:06:32.860 --> 01:06:34.120
But no, that won't work.

1364
01:06:34.210 --> 01:06:35.950
That doesn't work. A bunch of bars.

1365
01:06:36.070 --> 01:06:36.980
No. Yeah, that doesn't work.

1366
01:06:37.000 --> 01:06:38.230
No. How big the cup holder is.

1367
01:06:38.230 --> 01:06:42.720
So they, bring people on who have experienced the product.

1368
01:06:42.730 --> 01:06:44.320
This is the best thing I've ever had.

1369
01:06:44.320 --> 01:06:47.260
And you're listening to another human being, another member

1370
01:06:47.260 --> 01:06:51.310
of your own species communicate to you the value of that

1371
01:06:51.310 --> 01:06:52.660
product to them.

1372
01:06:52.870 --> 01:06:58.630
And we respond so much more to that than to pure statistics

1373
01:06:58.630 --> 01:07:01.690
that it leaves us vulnerable in a way.

1374
01:07:01.870 --> 01:07:04.930
Okay. I don't mind putting a person forward if they're

1375
01:07:04.930 --> 01:07:09.670
communicating accurate statistics, but it leaves the the

1376
01:07:09.670 --> 01:07:12.040
door open for abuse of this.

1377
01:07:12.040 --> 01:07:12.230
Sure.

1378
01:07:12.280 --> 01:07:14.980
You think we would all agree the best products aren't usually

1379
01:07:14.980 --> 01:07:16.630
what we're all using. It's the best advertising.

1380
01:07:16.630 --> 01:07:18.670
It's the Best. It's the best advertising and advertising

1381
01:07:18.670 --> 01:07:20.710
works because we're not.

1382
01:07:23.230 --> 01:07:28.060
Our our brain wiring does not lend itself to embrace or

1383
01:07:28.060 --> 01:07:29.630
absorb statistics.

1384
01:07:29.650 --> 01:07:35.050
The my professional community of physicists, the American

1385
01:07:35.050 --> 01:07:39.730
Physical Society, in this brief example, hold annual

1386
01:07:39.730 --> 01:07:42.040
meetings, and one of them was to be held in San Francisco.

1387
01:07:42.050 --> 01:07:45.370
This was 20 some years ago, maybe 30 years ago, sorry, it's

1388
01:07:45.370 --> 01:07:46.810
going to be held in San Diego.

1389
01:07:46.810 --> 01:07:50.110
And there was a hotel snafu and so they had to reschedule.

1390
01:07:50.110 --> 01:07:52.660
And what are you going to do with 2000 physicists?

1391
01:07:52.810 --> 01:07:57.220
And so the MGM Marina, now the MGM Grand in Vegas said,

1392
01:07:57.220 --> 01:07:58.750
we'll take you. Okay.

1393
01:07:58.750 --> 01:08:01.900
So so everybody shifted there.

1394
01:08:02.080 --> 01:08:05.770
Thousands of physicists descended on Vegas in this hotel.

1395
01:08:06.100 --> 01:08:10.900
A week later, the headline was Physicists in town, Lowest

1396
01:08:10.900 --> 01:08:12.640
casino take ever.

1397
01:08:13.000 --> 01:08:14.680
Okay. And and.

1398
01:08:14.680 --> 01:08:16.780
Well, did we just know the odds better?

1399
01:08:16.810 --> 01:08:18.400
No. No one bet.

1400
01:08:18.400 --> 01:08:19.240
Right? They're just.

1401
01:08:19.240 --> 01:08:19.930
Too smart to go to.

1402
01:08:19.930 --> 01:08:27.110
okay. Because there is an entire industry within us in

1403
01:08:27.110 --> 01:08:31.370
society that has arisen to exploit your inability to think

1404
01:08:31.370 --> 01:08:33.710
statistically. And it's called casinos.

1405
01:08:33.710 --> 01:08:36.620
You have people rolling dice and they'll throw the dice

1406
01:08:36.620 --> 01:08:40.820
harder to try to get a bigger number right or softer to roll

1407
01:08:40.820 --> 01:08:41.780
a low ridiculous when.

1408
01:08:41.780 --> 01:08:42.830
You watch it blow on it.

1409
01:08:42.830 --> 01:08:44.300
People they blow on kiss on it.

1410
01:08:44.300 --> 01:08:46.650
Yeah you got it. Or stand you standing too close.

1411
01:08:46.670 --> 01:08:48.950
Sure yeah right. And it's like or they're in the roulette

1412
01:08:48.980 --> 01:08:52.220
table and and why are you betting on seven continually.

1413
01:08:52.220 --> 01:08:53.650
Well it's do I.

1414
01:08:53.660 --> 01:08:54.950
So how do you know it's due.

1415
01:08:54.980 --> 01:08:58.340
Right. And the roulette table shows you the previous ten

1416
01:08:58.370 --> 01:09:00.200
rolls or so and it's not there.

1417
01:09:00.200 --> 01:09:02.570
And I say, no, it's not true.

1418
01:09:02.600 --> 01:09:03.920
It's the same likelihood, Right?

1419
01:09:03.970 --> 01:09:05.630
It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.

1420
01:09:05.630 --> 01:09:11.090
So the fact that we even exploit ourselves at a level that

1421
01:09:11.090 --> 01:09:15.050
takes our own money from a casino is run by human beings.

1422
01:09:15.050 --> 01:09:16.070
And they know this.

1423
01:09:16.070 --> 01:09:18.170
So that's foundational.

1424
01:09:18.170 --> 01:09:18.450
Yeah.

1425
01:09:18.500 --> 01:09:22.670
To all to so much of the intersection of science with the

1426
01:09:22.670 --> 01:09:25.190
public. Right. Because if all I do is say I found a new

1427
01:09:25.190 --> 01:09:26.690
black hole, it's a headline.

1428
01:09:26.690 --> 01:09:27.740
You read it. It's fun.

1429
01:09:27.740 --> 01:09:33.290
But if there's some analysis that requires statistical

1430
01:09:33.290 --> 01:09:37.700
understanding of a result, that's where the problems arise.

1431
01:09:37.700 --> 01:09:39.800
But that's where you've been so brilliant really throughout

1432
01:09:39.800 --> 01:09:42.590
your career is what you've done is you take this data and

1433
01:09:42.590 --> 01:09:44.600
you take these statistics, you take the analysis.

1434
01:09:44.600 --> 01:09:45.080
I try,

1435
01:09:45.080 --> 01:09:48.200
and you've managed to sort of infuse it with some emotion to

1436
01:09:48.200 --> 01:09:49.250
actually make us care.

1437
01:09:49.250 --> 01:09:49.880
You see that? Okay.

1438
01:09:49.900 --> 01:09:51.980
Actually make us care about the data.

1439
01:09:51.980 --> 01:09:54.920
Right? And that's been, I would say, your greatest talent

1440
01:09:54.920 --> 01:09:58.910
for so many people, which is you're allowed to be passionate

1441
01:09:58.910 --> 01:10:01.670
and care about things that you used to think were dry and

1442
01:10:01.670 --> 01:10:04.130
unimportant or weren't affecting your daily life.

1443
01:10:04.160 --> 01:10:06.890
You've shown us how the cosmos affects our daily life.

1444
01:10:06.890 --> 01:10:09.980
If we actually and and you're passionate about it, is what

1445
01:10:09.980 --> 01:10:12.380
has made you stand out. Most scientists and I've met a lot

1446
01:10:12.380 --> 01:10:14.450
of them, that wouldn't be their wheelhouse.

1447
01:10:14.570 --> 01:10:16.340
Well, so thank you for noticing that.

1448
01:10:16.340 --> 01:10:19.940
But what I find is when I invest that sort of I don't want

1449
01:10:19.940 --> 01:10:21.860
to call it so much emotion, but passion.

1450
01:10:21.860 --> 01:10:25.750
Okay. Yeah. Passion is, I think.

1451
01:10:26.380 --> 01:10:28.450
Like in the Pundit.

1452
01:10:29.460 --> 01:10:31.820
The rounds of pundits who are out there.

1453
01:10:31.830 --> 01:10:35.130
Typically, when there's passion or emotion invoked, they're

1454
01:10:35.130 --> 01:10:39.840
trying to impart an opinion on you or hand you their

1455
01:10:39.840 --> 01:10:44.670
opinion. And so when I bring passion to something that is

1456
01:10:44.670 --> 01:10:48.660
objectively true, there's a there's a first urge for someone

1457
01:10:48.660 --> 01:10:51.930
to think, oh, that's just their opinion because they see the

1458
01:10:51.930 --> 01:10:55.680
emotion, because we all have our emotions are driving our

1459
01:10:55.680 --> 01:10:58.080
opinions with intensity often.

1460
01:10:58.080 --> 01:10:59.730
So I come at it with intensity.

1461
01:10:59.730 --> 01:11:02.570
But no, it's just how I feel.

1462
01:11:02.580 --> 01:11:05.760
I was on a panel last night actually at a thing.

1463
01:11:05.760 --> 01:11:07.710
And I spoke about truth.

1464
01:11:07.710 --> 01:11:10.800
And this was a panel on media and new media.

1465
01:11:10.800 --> 01:11:13.620
You have to just focus on the truth.

1466
01:11:13.620 --> 01:11:16.020
And then someone said, but there is no single truth.

1467
01:11:16.020 --> 01:11:17.940
That's your truth. There are.

1468
01:11:17.940 --> 01:11:20.430
And so let me put that to you.

1469
01:11:20.430 --> 01:11:23.970
The word truth is really getting bantered about.

1470
01:11:24.000 --> 01:11:29.140
Is there he made the example that a train wrecks and, 99

1471
01:11:29.140 --> 01:11:31.040
people survive, one dies.

1472
01:11:31.060 --> 01:11:32.840
What is your headline? I was like, what are you getting at?

1473
01:11:32.840 --> 01:11:35.710
Is like, well, you could say one dead or 99 survived

1474
01:11:35.710 --> 01:11:38.530
Miracle. those are two different truths.

1475
01:11:38.800 --> 01:11:42.850
But to me, like what you have put out is when we look at

1476
01:11:42.850 --> 01:11:47.620
science, the idea of science is that it is used some sort of

1477
01:11:47.620 --> 01:11:51.790
methodology to get to an indisputable truth.

1478
01:11:51.790 --> 01:11:54.250
Is that is that how you would describe it?

1479
01:11:54.250 --> 01:11:56.530
Or help me understand how you see truth?

1480
01:11:56.560 --> 01:11:59.170
That's the name of a funk band in the 70's, The Undisputed

1481
01:11:59.170 --> 01:12:00.250
Truth, by the way.

1482
01:12:01.510 --> 01:12:05.230
So I spent some effort thinking this through, so I'd like to

1483
01:12:05.230 --> 01:12:08.260
share it with you and how I organized the thoughts.

1484
01:12:08.290 --> 01:12:11.460
In fact, it became an entire chapter of a recent book that

1485
01:12:11.470 --> 01:12:14.890
I'd written, the chapter titled Truth and Beauty.

1486
01:12:15.220 --> 01:12:20.230
So Truth, I'm my urge was to say there's only one truth and

1487
01:12:20.230 --> 01:12:21.400
everything else is opinion.

1488
01:12:21.400 --> 01:12:26.290
But that's too messy because there are too many communities

1489
01:12:26.290 --> 01:12:29.500
out there that want to use the word truth in the way they

1490
01:12:29.500 --> 01:12:32.410
are comfortable, especially, for example, the religious

1491
01:12:32.410 --> 01:12:35.920
community. If you look up the word truth, half the

1492
01:12:35.920 --> 01:12:39.640
references land in a religious site somewhere, typically

1493
01:12:39.640 --> 01:12:41.220
Christian site.

1494
01:12:41.220 --> 01:12:47.890
And you see some they try to present that or declare that

1495
01:12:47.890 --> 01:12:50.530
biblical statements are truth.

1496
01:12:50.530 --> 01:12:52.210
I find truth in the Bible.

1497
01:12:52.210 --> 01:12:56.680
I didn't want to take that away from anyone who is using it

1498
01:12:56.680 --> 01:12:58.090
in a religious context.

1499
01:12:58.090 --> 01:13:01.660
So I set up three categories of truth.

1500
01:13:01.660 --> 01:13:08.080
Categories. So one of them, let's call it a personal truth.

1501
01:13:08.700 --> 01:13:14.250
This is something you hold dear in your in your heart and in

1502
01:13:14.250 --> 01:13:16.680
a free country. No one can take it from you.

1503
01:13:16.980 --> 01:13:18.570
That's where you find religious roots.

1504
01:13:18.570 --> 01:13:20.040
It's Jesus, your savior.

1505
01:13:21.140 --> 01:13:23.360
Yeah, that. That's your truth.

1506
01:13:23.390 --> 01:13:25.640
No one's going to tell you that's not true in a free

1507
01:13:25.640 --> 01:13:27.350
country. That's not going to happen.

1508
01:13:27.380 --> 01:13:29.870
Okay. Is Muhammad your last prophet on earth?

1509
01:13:29.900 --> 01:13:31.010
That's your truth.

1510
01:13:32.550 --> 01:13:35.670
To convince someone else of that truth because it's your

1511
01:13:35.670 --> 01:13:39.540
personal truth requires an act of persuasion, which the

1512
01:13:39.540 --> 01:13:42.930
history of civilization has demonstrated can, in its limits,

1513
01:13:42.930 --> 01:13:45.330
become all out warfare.

1514
01:13:46.290 --> 01:13:50.760
Okay. The Crusades was a difference of who thought what was

1515
01:13:50.760 --> 01:13:52.470
true and what wasn't.

1516
01:13:52.560 --> 01:13:53.730
Okay. In the limit?

1517
01:13:53.730 --> 01:13:56.850
Otherwise, in a free country, you can have a synagogue, a

1518
01:13:56.850 --> 01:13:59.610
mosque, a Baptist church, a Catholic church.

1519
01:13:59.610 --> 01:14:01.050
All on the same street.

1520
01:14:02.290 --> 01:14:04.330
And they all go to work the next day together.

1521
01:14:04.360 --> 01:14:09.670
In a pluralistic, free country, as we believe we have we in

1522
01:14:09.670 --> 01:14:10.210
the United States.

1523
01:14:10.300 --> 01:14:12.350
We hope we're aspiring aspire.

1524
01:14:12.400 --> 01:14:15.090
That's thank you for that word as we aspire to have.

1525
01:14:15.100 --> 01:14:17.530
All right. Another truth.

1526
01:14:17.950 --> 01:14:19.930
I'll call it a political truth.

1527
01:14:19.930 --> 01:14:23.440
A political truth is something that resembles greatly and

1528
01:14:23.440 --> 01:14:26.470
may be identical to basically propaganda.

1529
01:14:26.500 --> 01:14:29.800
It's let me repeat this so often.

1530
01:14:30.670 --> 01:14:33.100
That at the end of the day, you will think it's true.

1531
01:14:33.980 --> 01:14:39.950
And that's hijacking something evolutionarily within us,

1532
01:14:40.100 --> 01:14:44.390
within us. If we see something, repeat enough times.

1533
01:14:45.030 --> 01:14:47.250
Your brain says it must be true.

1534
01:14:47.250 --> 01:14:49.190
I'm going to accept it as true and then move on.

1535
01:14:49.200 --> 01:14:50.550
It helps my survival.

1536
01:14:50.550 --> 01:14:53.490
If it helps if I know to run away from a lion rather than

1537
01:14:53.520 --> 01:14:56.490
towards it. And the repeated exercise shows that other

1538
01:14:56.490 --> 01:14:57.990
people get eaten. And I see this.

1539
01:14:57.990 --> 01:15:00.620
I'm going to absorb that truth.

1540
01:15:00.630 --> 01:15:06.450
Okay? Um, that gets hijacked and someone says the Aryan race

1541
01:15:06.450 --> 01:15:07.560
is the greatest ever.

1542
01:15:07.560 --> 01:15:08.970
And you repeat that.

1543
01:15:09.090 --> 01:15:10.610
And the media is masterful at that.

1544
01:15:10.740 --> 01:15:13.890
Right. My God, the repetition of media can really achieve

1545
01:15:13.890 --> 01:15:14.430
anything.

1546
01:15:14.430 --> 01:15:17.040
And of course, with the Internet, it's magnified that much

1547
01:15:17.040 --> 01:15:19.860
more. Internet is not a unique.

1548
01:15:20.700 --> 01:15:22.680
Introduction of this power.

1549
01:15:22.830 --> 01:15:24.730
I mean, it basically started with the printing press.

1550
01:15:24.750 --> 01:15:26.090
Now I can duplicate.

1551
01:15:26.100 --> 01:15:28.290
It's just an incredibly talented tool.

1552
01:15:28.620 --> 01:15:29.400
Right? Efficient.

1553
01:15:29.790 --> 01:15:31.290
Efficient, efficient tool.

1554
01:15:31.470 --> 01:15:35.430
So a third truth, which is what I'll call an objective

1555
01:15:35.460 --> 01:15:39.900
truth. This is a truth that exists outside of your opinions.

1556
01:15:39.930 --> 01:15:42.420
It exists outside of what you want to be true.

1557
01:15:42.450 --> 01:15:44.760
What you feel like should be true.

1558
01:15:44.760 --> 01:15:49.560
And it is established by the methods and tools of science.

1559
01:15:49.680 --> 01:15:53.490
And the methods and tools of science are never The truth is

1560
01:15:53.490 --> 01:15:56.680
never what some one research project shows.

1561
01:15:56.700 --> 01:15:58.410
It's never about that.

1562
01:15:58.440 --> 01:16:02.280
The press somehow doesn't get it, though.

1563
01:16:02.400 --> 01:16:05.670
They'll get they'll find some one result from some lone

1564
01:16:05.670 --> 01:16:08.670
researcher and they'll have a headline on it and say, This

1565
01:16:08.670 --> 01:16:11.160
undoes everything that's happened in previous decades.

1566
01:16:11.190 --> 01:16:13.410
It's one result, Right?

1567
01:16:13.410 --> 01:16:18.330
All right. What we know is that because scientists are human

1568
01:16:18.330 --> 01:16:22.120
and there's an inherent bias in us all about what we want to

1569
01:16:22.120 --> 01:16:23.890
be true versus what is true.

1570
01:16:23.890 --> 01:16:26.590
And we have methods.

1571
01:16:26.770 --> 01:16:30.850
We have tactics to ferret out our bias.

1572
01:16:31.590 --> 01:16:33.330
Even if you don't know you have bias.

1573
01:16:33.330 --> 01:16:34.770
That's why there's peer review.

1574
01:16:35.130 --> 01:16:37.860
So I'm going to review because I might have bias.

1575
01:16:39.070 --> 01:16:41.550
But chances are it's a different bias from you.

1576
01:16:41.560 --> 01:16:43.420
So I can find your bias.

1577
01:16:43.540 --> 01:16:45.850
But if I have a bias, maybe we need a third person.

1578
01:16:46.030 --> 01:16:48.190
Maybe we need someone from another country who uses a

1579
01:16:48.190 --> 01:16:50.680
different wall current for their experiment.

1580
01:16:50.710 --> 01:16:53.890
Does it behave differently under 120V as a 240?

1581
01:16:54.130 --> 01:16:57.190
So the emergent scientific truth.

1582
01:16:57.190 --> 01:17:00.100
The objective truth is what has been established after

1583
01:17:00.100 --> 01:17:04.720
repeated measurements and observations arriving at

1584
01:17:04.720 --> 01:17:07.540
approximately the same result.

1585
01:17:07.570 --> 01:17:09.490
There will always be statistical variation.

1586
01:17:09.490 --> 01:17:11.140
Another statistics issue here.

1587
01:17:11.140 --> 01:17:13.120
Yeah, statistical variation.

1588
01:17:13.120 --> 01:17:17.170
And so if it's leaning this way instead of that way, go that

1589
01:17:17.170 --> 01:17:20.440
way, because that's the direction the new emergent truth is

1590
01:17:20.440 --> 01:17:21.210
coming from.

1591
01:17:21.220 --> 01:17:23.860
How do you define Because just a little confusion.

1592
01:17:23.860 --> 01:17:27.640
You said, media will celebrate that one new thing and

1593
01:17:27.640 --> 01:17:31.840
emergent thing and kind of just said, but follow that new

1594
01:17:31.840 --> 01:17:35.650
emergent. So so where do I delineate between this is a one

1595
01:17:35.680 --> 01:17:39.380
off and it's going to be disproved to the emergent thought

1596
01:17:39.380 --> 01:17:42.440
that you're describing which is in my I just want to make

1597
01:17:42.440 --> 01:17:44.630
sure I'm hearing this right. I don't there's there's the

1598
01:17:44.630 --> 01:17:47.870
there's the consensus of what existed and then there's Pluto

1599
01:17:47.900 --> 01:17:49.400
isn't actually a planet.

1600
01:17:49.910 --> 01:17:52.760
At what point does that become an emergent that we should

1601
01:17:52.760 --> 01:17:53.780
follow and be listening to?

1602
01:17:53.780 --> 01:17:58.100
Right. So there's a deeper element that you just raised that.

1603
01:17:58.250 --> 01:18:00.410
So what you mentioned about Pluto.

1604
01:18:00.440 --> 01:18:01.920
Don't get me started. Yeah.

1605
01:18:02.660 --> 01:18:04.220
just meet me outside.

1606
01:18:04.220 --> 01:18:04.390
Right,

1607
01:18:04.400 --> 01:18:05.210
right, right, right, right.

1608
01:18:05.210 --> 01:18:10.520
No, no, no. So let me hold Pluto aside for a moment or.

1609
01:18:10.580 --> 01:18:12.050
That's a story. Because.

1610
01:18:12.050 --> 01:18:13.070
It's a very important.

1611
01:18:13.070 --> 01:18:14.390
It highlights something very important.

1612
01:18:14.390 --> 01:18:15.500
Okay. So.

1613
01:18:16.160 --> 01:18:19.160
I don't know what else the media would do other than make a

1614
01:18:19.160 --> 01:18:20.840
headline on the one result.

1615
01:18:20.870 --> 01:18:22.760
You can't tell the media.

1616
01:18:22.790 --> 01:18:25.730
Wait till it's verified 3 or 4 times.

1617
01:18:25.730 --> 01:18:27.260
They want to be the first out of the box.

1618
01:18:27.530 --> 01:18:31.580
So I think that's a lost cause from what I'm trying to argue

1619
01:18:31.610 --> 01:18:34.640
here. So but they could be more honest in their first

1620
01:18:34.640 --> 01:18:39.320
paragraph and say this is one result yet to be verified.

1621
01:18:39.740 --> 01:18:41.990
If it's true, it's interesting.

1622
01:18:41.990 --> 01:18:46.160
Right? But the statistics of these weird single results are

1623
01:18:46.160 --> 01:18:47.840
that it's probably not true.

1624
01:18:49.820 --> 01:18:50.930
Just deal with we.

1625
01:18:50.930 --> 01:18:52.820
Should we should hold out some skepticism.

1626
01:18:53.270 --> 01:18:55.310
It's standing on its own on an island at the moment.

1627
01:18:55.310 --> 01:18:58.070
On an island. It is against a whole body of science that

1628
01:18:58.080 --> 01:18:59.240
sits against at the moment, correct?

1629
01:18:59.240 --> 01:19:02.480
Correct. So they need to be a little more candid about that

1630
01:19:02.480 --> 01:19:03.620
in the opening sentence.

1631
01:19:03.770 --> 01:19:06.320
After you've clickbait it in, they got to click, they got

1632
01:19:06.320 --> 01:19:10.100
the click right. So now you can be honest perhaps about the

1633
01:19:10.100 --> 01:19:12.320
likelihood of that persisting and completely agree with

1634
01:19:12.320 --> 01:19:17.370
you. So now the Pluto case, very interesting.

1635
01:19:18.510 --> 01:19:22.230
The way objective truths work is if it's scientifically

1636
01:19:22.830 --> 01:19:25.800
established by the methods and tools that I'm describing,

1637
01:19:25.800 --> 01:19:30.270
then. It's not later shown to be false.

1638
01:19:30.690 --> 01:19:35.030
Okay. What happens is often.

1639
01:19:35.760 --> 01:19:39.480
This objective truth is only.

1640
01:19:40.450 --> 01:19:42.730
A part of a larger truth.

1641
01:19:43.290 --> 01:19:47.320
But it doesn't end up getting overturned.

1642
01:19:47.340 --> 01:19:50.070
If it had been established experimentally and

1643
01:19:50.070 --> 01:19:52.380
observationally in the ways that I had described.

1644
01:19:52.380 --> 01:19:55.380
So what's an example?

1645
01:19:56.490 --> 01:20:01.980
We found Pluto in 1930, the discoverer Clyde Tombaugh, in

1646
01:20:01.980 --> 01:20:06.420
1930. We suspected there was a planet out there because the

1647
01:20:06.420 --> 01:20:09.660
movement of Neptune was not following Newton's laws.

1648
01:20:10.080 --> 01:20:12.720
Neptune was the then farthest planet, so maybe there's

1649
01:20:12.720 --> 01:20:13.890
something tugging on it.

1650
01:20:13.920 --> 01:20:16.230
Neptune was discovered that way.

1651
01:20:16.590 --> 01:20:18.420
There's Uranus saying.

1652
01:20:18.420 --> 01:20:20.530
Oh, Herschel discovered a new planet.

1653
01:20:20.550 --> 01:20:24.750
It was great. Oh, by the way, an aside, he named it after

1654
01:20:24.750 --> 01:20:26.100
the king. Initially.

1655
01:20:26.100 --> 01:20:28.650
King George. The King George of American Revolution.

1656
01:20:28.650 --> 01:20:30.900
Right. And just because.

1657
01:20:30.900 --> 01:20:34.950
Why not? I mean, you get you want to you want to stroke the

1658
01:20:34.950 --> 01:20:36.090
king, Right. Okay.

1659
01:20:36.180 --> 01:20:39.360
Good idea. So for for, by the way, probably get some more

1660
01:20:39.360 --> 01:20:39.720
funding.

1661
01:20:39.780 --> 01:20:41.160
That's what I'm saying. Right? Exactly.

1662
01:20:41.160 --> 01:20:42.690
Exactly. Which is something I want to get to.

1663
01:20:43.460 --> 01:20:48.100
So so I have textbooks from about a 30 year period that

1664
01:20:48.100 --> 01:20:49.360
enumerate the planets.

1665
01:20:49.360 --> 01:20:52.240
And it's Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn and

1666
01:20:52.240 --> 01:20:56.050
George. So clearer heads would ultimately prevail.

1667
01:20:56.050 --> 01:20:58.360
Oh, the Roman gods. Let's let's do this right.

1668
01:20:58.370 --> 01:21:02.020
Point is, we already knew what effect an unseen planet's

1669
01:21:02.050 --> 01:21:03.940
gravity can have. So let's look.

1670
01:21:04.150 --> 01:21:05.740
We looked in places it should have been.

1671
01:21:05.740 --> 01:21:06.760
Nobody found it.

1672
01:21:07.030 --> 01:21:10.780
And so we just conducted a systematic survey of the entire

1673
01:21:10.780 --> 01:21:13.420
sky. And Clyde Tombaugh discovers Pluto.

1674
01:21:14.240 --> 01:21:17.090
Not where we thought it should have been to affect Neptune,

1675
01:21:17.090 --> 01:21:19.550
but it was headline news.

1676
01:21:19.760 --> 01:21:23.960
All right. As time went on, we found it's not as big as it

1677
01:21:23.960 --> 01:21:27.080
should be to do what we think it needs to do.

1678
01:21:27.080 --> 01:21:29.380
And it's really kind of puny.

1679
01:21:29.390 --> 01:21:33.950
And as the decades proceeded, it was fading from the

1680
01:21:33.950 --> 01:21:37.130
headline of what it was discovered to be.

1681
01:21:37.160 --> 01:21:40.430
When we finally settled on what the size was, because every

1682
01:21:40.430 --> 01:21:43.490
next measurement was an improvement on the previous one, it

1683
01:21:43.490 --> 01:21:48.530
turned out like it's our moon is five times the mass of

1684
01:21:48.530 --> 01:21:50.840
Pluto. Oh, my gosh.

1685
01:21:51.120 --> 01:21:56.210
What? so the mistake was the enthusiasm that we discovered,

1686
01:21:56.210 --> 01:21:58.160
the planet that was affecting Neptune.

1687
01:21:58.190 --> 01:22:02.210
We learned that it was not very quickly, but we still wanted

1688
01:22:02.210 --> 01:22:06.140
it. Plus, that's the same year there's a complete aside for

1689
01:22:06.140 --> 01:22:07.550
your show here.

1690
01:22:07.670 --> 01:22:11.630
That same year is when Disney introduced Pluto the Dog.

1691
01:22:11.630 --> 01:22:15.000
And once you do that, come on, you got the endearing.

1692
01:22:15.000 --> 01:22:16.130
We got a cartoon character.

1693
01:22:16.140 --> 01:22:16.530
That's a lot.

1694
01:22:16.560 --> 01:22:18.230
Harder to make. This makes it a lot harder.

1695
01:22:18.510 --> 01:22:18.840
Population

1696
01:22:18.840 --> 01:22:21.300
you can't shake it at that point.

1697
01:22:21.330 --> 01:22:22.550
You can't. You got a dog.

1698
01:22:22.560 --> 01:22:24.270
A beloved dog. All right.

1699
01:22:24.570 --> 01:22:27.900
The point is, Pluto, we discovered.

1700
01:22:28.000 --> 01:22:32.250
Oh, then in the 1990s, we discovered icy bodies in the outer

1701
01:22:32.250 --> 01:22:35.490
solar system that rivaled Pluto in size.

1702
01:22:35.730 --> 01:22:37.230
And we said hey.

1703
01:22:37.230 --> 01:22:38.940
And they found many of them.

1704
01:22:39.490 --> 01:22:44.260
And so what we concluded was Pluto wasn't so much the ninth

1705
01:22:44.260 --> 01:22:49.330
planet. It was one of the largest of the icy bodies of a new

1706
01:22:49.330 --> 01:22:53.950
swath of real estate that we added to our understanding of

1707
01:22:53.950 --> 01:22:56.820
the solar system called the Kuiper Belt of comets.

1708
01:22:56.830 --> 01:22:58.990
So we still had the basic solar system.

1709
01:22:58.990 --> 01:23:02.980
Pluto was always a bit controversial, but we've now grown in

1710
01:23:02.980 --> 01:23:04.390
our larger understanding.

1711
01:23:04.390 --> 01:23:07.840
Was there anybody in science sort of pushing back saying this

1712
01:23:07.840 --> 01:23:10.840
is a waste of time or leave Pluto alone?

1713
01:23:10.840 --> 01:23:12.010
I mean, was there. Oh, yeah, of course.

1714
01:23:12.280 --> 01:23:14.010
Yeah. There's always that. The people who are sort of

1715
01:23:14.020 --> 01:23:19.540
invested in it and I wrote a book on this called The Pluto

1716
01:23:19.540 --> 01:23:22.960
Files The Rise and Fall of America's Favorite Planet.

1717
01:23:22.960 --> 01:23:28.130
And the arguments given for it just came and went, right?

1718
01:23:28.150 --> 01:23:29.260
Pluto had a moon.

1719
01:23:29.320 --> 01:23:31.240
It's always got a moon. It's got to be a planet.

1720
01:23:31.270 --> 01:23:33.400
It's a good old red blooded planet.

1721
01:23:33.400 --> 01:23:35.170
It's got a moon The moon was Sharon right.

1722
01:23:35.170 --> 01:23:39.100
And shortly after that, we discovered much smaller asteroids

1723
01:23:39.200 --> 01:23:40.370
that had moons.

1724
01:23:40.520 --> 01:23:42.520
So then you couldn't invoke that anymore.

1725
01:23:42.520 --> 01:23:48.860
And every excuse to try to clutch to what it once was ended

1726
01:23:48.860 --> 01:23:50.480
up evaporating away.

1727
01:23:50.480 --> 01:23:53.270
And so ultimately, the International Astronomical Union,

1728
01:23:53.270 --> 01:23:59.630
which has as their duty to establish nomenclature and

1729
01:23:59.630 --> 01:24:03.530
categories and things based on the emergent understandings

1730
01:24:03.530 --> 01:24:07.820
of the world, said we have a new definition of a planet and

1731
01:24:07.820 --> 01:24:10.100
Pluto is now a dwarf planet.

1732
01:24:10.100 --> 01:24:11.600
It's still a planet. It's just a dwarf planet.

1733
01:24:11.900 --> 01:24:13.100
I think it's happier that way.

1734
01:24:13.100 --> 01:24:14.870
It's one of it's one of the biggest of the ice.

1735
01:24:14.990 --> 01:24:17.360
It stands rather than a puny planet its on its face.

1736
01:24:17.360 --> 01:24:17.660
Alone.

1737
01:24:17.720 --> 01:24:18.800
Exactly. Yeah, that's right.

1738
01:24:18.830 --> 01:24:23.210
Exactly right. But the bigger story here, that's just one

1739
01:24:23.210 --> 01:24:24.230
example of it.

1740
01:24:24.230 --> 01:24:26.690
If we take Newton's laws of motion and gravity.

1741
01:24:27.230 --> 01:24:28.900
They got us. It got us to the moon.

1742
01:24:28.910 --> 01:24:34.030
Newton's Laws. We learned that at very high speeds in a very

1743
01:24:34.030 --> 01:24:36.880
strong gravities, Newton's laws fail.

1744
01:24:36.910 --> 01:24:37.510
Right.

1745
01:24:37.930 --> 01:24:39.010
They just fail.

1746
01:24:39.060 --> 01:24:40.960
What? What's going on?

1747
01:24:40.990 --> 01:24:45.010
So do you say let's throw out the entire Newton's laws?

1748
01:24:45.040 --> 01:24:46.210
Do you do you do that?

1749
01:24:46.210 --> 01:24:49.270
Or do you say, Well, what's actually happening?

1750
01:24:49.270 --> 01:24:52.180
Because Newton's his laws were he never saw anything run

1751
01:24:52.180 --> 01:24:53.110
faster than a horse.

1752
01:24:53.380 --> 01:24:54.910
But certainly there's got to be a point.

1753
01:24:54.910 --> 01:24:58.150
And whether Newton's laws have made it where you do realize

1754
01:24:58.150 --> 01:25:01.030
that this was this was a series of assumptions that were not

1755
01:25:01.030 --> 01:25:03.040
as strong as we thought and we do throw them out.

1756
01:25:03.160 --> 01:25:05.530
No. Yeah, but assumptions, you don't need assumptions when

1757
01:25:05.530 --> 01:25:07.390
you have experimental evidence to support.

1758
01:25:07.560 --> 01:25:09.550
The assumptions are correct are gone.

1759
01:25:09.550 --> 01:25:09.790
Right.

1760
01:25:09.820 --> 01:25:11.260
Assumptions should be no part of science.

1761
01:25:11.350 --> 01:25:13.220
Well, no, they get you started.

1762
01:25:13.240 --> 01:25:14.160
Okay.

1763
01:25:14.200 --> 01:25:15.910
I'm going to assume this is true. Let me test it.

1764
01:25:15.910 --> 01:25:18.060
Right. Nothing wrong with the assumptions.

1765
01:25:18.060 --> 01:25:20.170
But once something is established, there are no assumptions.

1766
01:25:20.170 --> 01:25:21.580
It just is.  Okay.

1767
01:25:21.610 --> 01:25:24.730
Equals MC squared involves no assumptions at all.

1768
01:25:24.880 --> 01:25:27.490
Okay. That's what enables bombs.

1769
01:25:27.550 --> 01:25:31.130
And nuclear energy of all stripes.

1770
01:25:31.130 --> 01:25:33.020
So the point is.

1771
01:25:33.770 --> 01:25:38.270
Einstein discovers a law of gravity and a law of motion.

1772
01:25:38.850 --> 01:25:41.550
That does not have these problems with it.

1773
01:25:41.820 --> 01:25:44.370
And it's called the theory of relativity.

1774
01:25:44.970 --> 01:25:48.840
It implies an extreme gravity and extreme accelerations in

1775
01:25:48.840 --> 01:25:51.690
motions. And the only reason why I'm telling you this is.

1776
01:25:52.390 --> 01:25:54.400
So do you throw Newton's laws out?

1777
01:25:55.970 --> 01:26:02.090
No. If you put low speeds and low gravity into Einstein's

1778
01:26:02.090 --> 01:26:05.330
equations, they become Newton's equations.

1779
01:26:05.970 --> 01:26:11.670
So Newton's equations we would later learn, are are a subset

1780
01:26:11.820 --> 01:26:15.330
of a much larger objective truth of the universe.

1781
01:26:15.370 --> 01:26:17.230
It's true in the in micro.

1782
01:26:17.280 --> 01:26:20.370
Contained in space it's looking at doesn't hold.

1783
01:26:20.370 --> 01:26:20.700
Correct.

1784
01:26:20.700 --> 01:26:22.880
Because we back out our perspective.

1785
01:26:23.010 --> 01:26:26.520
Correct. And the methods and tools of science have been

1786
01:26:26.520 --> 01:26:29.370
invoked basically the way we now know them, since about

1787
01:26:29.370 --> 01:26:33.420
1600. You could go before then and find everyone agreeing

1788
01:26:33.420 --> 01:26:35.340
that something is true and finding out its complete

1789
01:26:35.370 --> 01:26:38.520
opposite, like Earth in the center of the known universe.

1790
01:26:38.520 --> 01:26:39.600
And then it's the sun.

1791
01:26:39.600 --> 01:26:40.290
All right, so.

1792
01:26:40.740 --> 01:26:41.460
That's before

1793
01:26:41.590 --> 01:26:42.600
we had these tools.

1794
01:26:42.600 --> 01:26:45.870
So from and this is based on a statement you've made a lot

1795
01:26:45.900 --> 01:26:48.570
in media that I want to sort of get into in this space.

1796
01:26:48.720 --> 01:26:52.590
I think we're in the middle of a massive experiment

1797
01:26:52.620 --> 01:26:57.660
worldwide. The experiment is will people listen to

1798
01:26:57.660 --> 01:27:06.790
scientists? In this case referring to medical professionals.

1799
01:27:06.790 --> 01:27:09.630
Medical in this particular case, say, Anthony Fauci, over

1800
01:27:09.670 --> 01:27:10.660
allergy and infectious disease,

1801
01:27:10.660 --> 01:27:11.730
for example.

1802
01:27:11.740 --> 01:27:16.030
It's an experiment in whether people will listen to

1803
01:27:16.030 --> 01:27:17.140
scientists.

1804
01:27:19.030 --> 01:27:19.990
That's that's what it is.

1805
01:27:19.990 --> 01:27:21.560
That's what this is.

1806
01:27:21.580 --> 01:27:23.890
What do you have to do to get to the point where you can

1807
01:27:23.890 --> 01:27:26.200
believe what the scientist says and not the person who

1808
01:27:26.230 --> 01:27:29.020
wishfully thinks something is different?

1809
01:27:29.320 --> 01:27:32.320
So I want to get into this because you know everything.

1810
01:27:32.320 --> 01:27:35.150
I totally agree with everything you're saying.

1811
01:27:35.170 --> 01:27:38.980
My question comes into this space where, as you're saying,

1812
01:27:38.980 --> 01:27:42.130
you have a guy naming a planet for a king.

1813
01:27:42.160 --> 01:27:44.440
I think that there's a bias for a reason.

1814
01:27:44.440 --> 01:27:47.740
I get funding if I can inspire you to care about what I'm

1815
01:27:47.740 --> 01:27:49.310
doing. You talked about

1816
01:27:49.330 --> 01:27:50.530
we undid that, right?

1817
01:27:50.810 --> 01:27:52.960
It gets undone. It gets.

1818
01:27:52.960 --> 01:27:55.210
No, you're not naming this after your frickin king.

1819
01:27:55.210 --> 01:27:59.860
We also see as as you described, the headline goes to the one

1820
01:27:59.860 --> 01:28:02.770
scientist has some breakout thing, and then media isn't

1821
01:28:02.870 --> 01:28:06.920
honest about the fact that I mean, that, it's just it may be

1822
01:28:06.920 --> 01:28:08.780
an anomaly. It needs to be challenged.

1823
01:28:08.780 --> 01:28:11.540
And we really shouldn't take it just at face value.

1824
01:28:11.540 --> 01:28:13.250
There's a lot more that needs to be done.

1825
01:28:13.430 --> 01:28:17.390
But my question is, and you sort of stated this, but it's

1826
01:28:17.390 --> 01:28:21.560
this problem with bias that the problem I see in many ways,

1827
01:28:21.560 --> 01:28:24.200
especially in the modern world, with the amount of funding

1828
01:28:24.200 --> 01:28:27.110
needed to do the levels of science that we're now doing

1829
01:28:27.110 --> 01:28:30.500
right, we're really it's very expensive to be getting out

1830
01:28:30.500 --> 01:28:34.580
into the cosmos now and looking at ice particles or are they

1831
01:28:34.610 --> 01:28:36.070
dwarf planet, all of this.

1832
01:28:36.080 --> 01:28:41.210
And so that headline actually helps that scientist get more

1833
01:28:41.210 --> 01:28:44.600
funding and the people around that scientist like that, it

1834
01:28:44.600 --> 01:28:47.090
got that headline because it also brings attention to the

1835
01:28:47.090 --> 01:28:49.190
fact that they're involved with this funding.

1836
01:28:49.190 --> 01:28:53.810
And so what we're developing is this, really this sort of

1837
01:28:53.810 --> 01:28:58.070
cyclone that happens around a brand new idea, whether it has

1838
01:28:58.070 --> 01:28:59.360
value or not.

1839
01:28:59.360 --> 01:29:04.070
And we have scientists, I think, that are being affected by

1840
01:29:04.070 --> 01:29:07.070
the gravity of things that are rotating around it.

1841
01:29:07.100 --> 01:29:12.830
How does science free itself from that bias in order to ask

1842
01:29:12.830 --> 01:29:17.270
itself or a scientist to ask themselves or allow others to

1843
01:29:17.270 --> 01:29:21.350
ask them the appropriate questions so that we can get to the

1844
01:29:21.350 --> 01:29:25.370
bottom of whether or not that is true and does science.

1845
01:29:25.370 --> 01:29:27.440
I think scientists have a bias, do they not?

1846
01:29:27.440 --> 01:29:30.110
So very important point to raise here.

1847
01:29:30.110 --> 01:29:33.380
So and let me unpack what you said, because it's like three

1848
01:29:33.380 --> 01:29:34.460
separate questions in there.

1849
01:29:34.460 --> 01:29:38.540
So one of them is the attention of scientists might get in a

1850
01:29:38.540 --> 01:29:45.020
media headline that works maybe for their Grandmother.

1851
01:29:45.050 --> 01:29:46.300
Okay. Grandmother.

1852
01:29:46.430 --> 01:29:52.270
Hey, that's my boy.  grandparents for the funding agency

1853
01:29:52.270 --> 01:29:56.640
they're much less influenced by what the media says of your

1854
01:29:56.640 --> 01:29:59.970
work than you implied in your comment.

1855
01:30:00.000 --> 01:30:00.420
Okay.

1856
01:30:00.450 --> 01:30:03.300
Okay. The funding agency.

1857
01:30:03.420 --> 01:30:06.810
Typically, funding occurs through peer review.

1858
01:30:06.990 --> 01:30:10.680
You have a proposal for what you want to study, and then it

1859
01:30:10.680 --> 01:30:11.760
goes to peer review.

1860
01:30:11.760 --> 01:30:14.610
And people say, well, no, this is kind of fringy.

1861
01:30:15.150 --> 01:30:16.980
And someone else attempted it and failed.

1862
01:30:16.980 --> 01:30:19.470
Why they think they're going to succeed in this way.

1863
01:30:19.500 --> 01:30:24.660
So I would claim that we are not as susceptible as a

1864
01:30:24.660 --> 01:30:29.880
community to media headlines as the public is now, by the

1865
01:30:29.880 --> 01:30:30.330
way.

1866
01:30:30.370 --> 01:30:34.680
But universities like they have star quarterbacks don't mind

1867
01:30:34.710 --> 01:30:36.420
seeing their name in The New York Times.

1868
01:30:36.660 --> 01:30:37.780
They love it. Right.

1869
01:30:37.800 --> 01:30:40.350
So they are going to benefit those.

1870
01:30:40.620 --> 01:30:42.100
They're fund raising.

1871
01:30:42.420 --> 01:30:42.960
All of that.

1872
01:30:42.960 --> 01:30:44.280
They'll put it in their newsletter.

1873
01:30:44.310 --> 01:30:47.250
So they're the ones that are housing the scientists,

1874
01:30:47.250 --> 01:30:49.470
certainly. How big is your lab and what are the things

1875
01:30:49.470 --> 01:30:51.340
you're getting? You're a superstar.

1876
01:30:51.360 --> 01:30:53.390
Those headlines matter to that universe.

1877
01:30:53.410 --> 01:30:56.470
Yes, they do. And university will lead with those headlines,

1878
01:30:56.470 --> 01:30:57.720
right? For sure.

1879
01:30:57.730 --> 01:30:58.270
For sure.

1880
01:30:58.270 --> 01:31:00.430
So that so then that's I didn't put that in there.

1881
01:31:00.430 --> 01:31:04.930
But that is that is an orbiting pressure on on the science

1882
01:31:04.930 --> 01:31:05.450
that's happening. Right.

1883
01:31:05.470 --> 01:31:09.100
But at the end of the day the money is coming from unless you

1884
01:31:09.100 --> 01:31:13.120
privately raise the money, then you get it from other human

1885
01:31:13.120 --> 01:31:17.050
beings who are like not necessarily venture capitalists, but

1886
01:31:17.050 --> 01:31:22.360
but people who are rich sympathizers to your the science

1887
01:31:22.360 --> 01:31:24.520
you're interested in, they could end up funding it, right.

1888
01:31:24.550 --> 01:31:26.170
And then you'll get extra funding.

1889
01:31:26.170 --> 01:31:31.480
But just just simply put though, we agree that there's human

1890
01:31:31.480 --> 01:31:32.530
beings involved in this.

1891
01:31:32.530 --> 01:31:35.290
There's egos involved in this and getting and all of these

1892
01:31:35.290 --> 01:31:39.430
things. So a scientific method exists to make sure that that

1893
01:31:39.430 --> 01:31:41.890
doesn't contaminate the ultimate.

1894
01:31:43.720 --> 01:31:44.950
Is it consensus we have to get too?

1895
01:31:44.980 --> 01:31:49.100
correct. What you said is precisely correct.

1896
01:31:49.120 --> 01:31:53.440
So like I said, scientists are humans, just like everybody

1897
01:31:53.440 --> 01:31:54.880
else. We have biases.

1898
01:31:54.880 --> 01:31:58.570
We have, by the way, speaking of bias, probably the most

1899
01:31:58.570 --> 01:32:03.640
biased chapter in the history of science were 19th century

1900
01:32:03.640 --> 01:32:07.210
anthropologists. European anthropologists, who were sure

1901
01:32:07.210 --> 01:32:10.090
white males were the top of the evolutionary heap and

1902
01:32:10.090 --> 01:32:12.100
anything else. They went around the world and and they were

1903
01:32:12.100 --> 01:32:15.550
scientists saying this and putting forth charts and data and

1904
01:32:15.550 --> 01:32:19.090
all the rest of that. So it's not as though bias can't

1905
01:32:19.090 --> 01:32:21.010
contaminate an entire field.

1906
01:32:21.010 --> 01:32:23.800
Some fields are more susceptible than others when you start

1907
01:32:23.800 --> 01:32:26.050
ranking humans that that matters.

1908
01:32:26.050 --> 01:32:31.540
So we have tools so someone can go rogue.

1909
01:32:31.660 --> 01:32:33.010
Rogue is too critical.

1910
01:32:33.010 --> 01:32:36.640
Someone can go independent, go off the grid and get their

1911
01:32:36.640 --> 01:32:38.050
own funding, get their friends.

1912
01:32:38.050 --> 01:32:40.270
They may be they're wealthy, whatever, and do whatever they

1913
01:32:40.270 --> 01:32:44.800
want. Yeah. And they they will not be susceptible to their

1914
01:32:44.800 --> 01:32:48.400
peer review and that allows them to sort of drift.

1915
01:32:48.430 --> 01:32:49.720
Okay, you know who did this?

1916
01:32:49.720 --> 01:32:53.800
Speaking of Pluto from earlier, Percival Lowell, who?

1917
01:32:54.000 --> 01:32:56.700
Wealthy Lowell of the Lowell's of New England.

1918
01:32:56.850 --> 01:33:00.750
He was he was an amateur astronomer, loved telescopes.

1919
01:33:00.750 --> 01:33:04.950
He built the best one of the best telescopes ever.

1920
01:33:05.070 --> 01:33:09.060
Found a mountain in Arizona where there is no rain in the

1921
01:33:09.060 --> 01:33:11.940
desert. Basically put a telescope on top there.

1922
01:33:12.710 --> 01:33:13.750
Funded himself.

1923
01:33:13.760 --> 01:33:16.340
It's called the Lowell Observatory to this day.

1924
01:33:16.550 --> 01:33:22.730
And he observed Mars and he believed he saw canals on Mars.

1925
01:33:23.680 --> 01:33:25.060
This was not peer reviewed.

1926
01:33:25.060 --> 01:33:28.420
This was his own. He went off the grid and everyone says,

1927
01:33:28.420 --> 01:33:31.450
Well, I don't see canals in my telescope because your

1928
01:33:31.450 --> 01:33:33.010
telescope is not as good as mine.

1929
01:33:33.010 --> 01:33:35.500
And he did have a really good telescope in a really good

1930
01:33:35.500 --> 01:33:40.360
observing site and it would be decades before that was would

1931
01:33:40.360 --> 01:33:44.350
be corrected by more of the peer reviewed scientific

1932
01:33:44.350 --> 01:33:46.290
community. So, yes, it can happen.

1933
01:33:46.300 --> 01:33:47.320
Okay, So.

1934
01:33:47.410 --> 01:33:48.040
It has happened.

1935
01:33:48.050 --> 01:33:53.050
So then the next question I have is we know that scientists

1936
01:33:53.050 --> 01:33:56.140
can have a bias. There's there's influences that can affect

1937
01:33:56.140 --> 01:33:57.190
their results.

1938
01:33:57.310 --> 01:33:59.470
I have a chart of a scientific method I just pulled off of

1939
01:33:59.470 --> 01:34:00.700
Wikipedia. Let's just take a look at this.

1940
01:34:00.880 --> 01:34:02.650
I want to see if you agree with this.

1941
01:34:02.650 --> 01:34:05.890
Obviously, this Wikipedia, take that for what we will, but

1942
01:34:05.890 --> 01:34:08.230
the scientific method is an observation or a question is

1943
01:34:08.230 --> 01:34:10.930
where it starts. The assumption is you said maybe an early

1944
01:34:10.930 --> 01:34:13.260
assumption into a research topic area.

1945
01:34:13.270 --> 01:34:16.300
We develop a hypothesis, then we test with experiment.

1946
01:34:16.300 --> 01:34:19.840
We analyze that data and we report conclusions.

1947
01:34:19.840 --> 01:34:22.690
I would say test with the experiment would also be where you

1948
01:34:22.690 --> 01:34:26.000
would say someone that opposes that idea should step in and

1949
01:34:26.000 --> 01:34:27.620
has some signs say, I'd like to challenge you.

1950
01:34:27.620 --> 01:34:29.810
I'd like to run a test on that because I don't think you're

1951
01:34:29.810 --> 01:34:30.350
seeing the whole picture.

1952
01:34:30.380 --> 01:34:31.880
Otherwise, it's an isolated result.

1953
01:34:32.270 --> 01:34:34.850
It's an isolated result. I would simplify that.

1954
01:34:34.910 --> 01:34:36.860
This is all that's accurate.

1955
01:34:36.860 --> 01:34:38.810
Okay. Though it be off the Internet.

1956
01:34:38.810 --> 01:34:39.950
It's accurate. Okay. Very good.

1957
01:34:39.950 --> 01:34:42.500
But I can I will simplify that.

1958
01:34:42.500 --> 01:34:47.660
Okay. The scientific method is do whatever it takes to

1959
01:34:54.880 --> 01:34:56.800
not be fooled.

1960
01:34:57.770 --> 01:35:00.170
That something is true that is not.

1961
01:35:01.030 --> 01:35:03.070
Or that something is not true.

1962
01:35:03.100 --> 01:35:05.060
That is. Did I say that right?

1963
01:35:06.700 --> 01:35:07.690
I get what you're saying.

1964
01:35:08.050 --> 01:35:10.690
Do whatever it takes. Does it mean get a chart recorder?

1965
01:35:11.130 --> 01:35:13.240
Get a get a friend to verify.

1966
01:35:13.270 --> 01:35:15.160
Unearth it in any way possible.

1967
01:35:15.200 --> 01:35:17.480
Any way Possible.

1968
01:35:17.480 --> 01:35:18.850
I don't care what it is.

1969
01:35:19.510 --> 01:35:21.880
You don't want to be fooled into thinking something is true.

1970
01:35:21.880 --> 01:35:23.560
That isn't where something is not true.

1971
01:35:23.560 --> 01:35:25.030
That is. Period.

1972
01:35:25.300 --> 01:35:29.380
And that sequence is the unpacking of that sentence I just

1973
01:35:29.380 --> 01:35:32.950
uttered to you to try to systematize that process

1974
01:35:32.950 --> 01:35:34.450
completely totally agree.

1975
01:35:34.450 --> 01:35:38.170
And that and that recognizes that we all are susceptible to

1976
01:35:38.170 --> 01:35:43.590
bias and some fields are less biased Prone in.

1977
01:35:43.590 --> 01:35:48.030
Astrophysics. It's really hard for your politics to reveal

1978
01:35:48.030 --> 01:35:50.280
itself. It's very hard.

1979
01:35:50.640 --> 01:35:53.850
And in particle physics, there's just.

1980
01:35:54.180 --> 01:35:57.300
Is it possible? Because without you involved in it all, it's

1981
01:35:57.300 --> 01:35:59.880
not sexy at all. So it doesn't get influenced by a lot of

1982
01:36:00.420 --> 01:36:06.300
you've probably brought in all the potential observation

1983
01:36:06.300 --> 01:36:08.040
that that could influence it.

1984
01:36:08.040 --> 01:36:11.100
I want to ask a I think, a very important question right

1985
01:36:11.100 --> 01:36:14.070
now, because part of the montage was trust the scientists.

1986
01:36:14.070 --> 01:36:16.140
We have to people have got to learn to trust the science.

1987
01:36:16.140 --> 01:36:18.120
Well, well, just be clear, okay?

1988
01:36:18.960 --> 01:36:21.090
Those were soundbites that you pulled out.

1989
01:36:21.210 --> 01:36:23.520
Let me just make it a slightly longer sentence.

1990
01:36:24.980 --> 01:36:26.990
You should trust. And this might lead into.

1991
01:36:26.990 --> 01:36:30.740
I know where I think you might be going.

1992
01:36:30.740 --> 01:36:35.530
Given the history of success of science and the methods and

1993
01:36:35.530 --> 01:36:39.850
tools that enable it, it is in your interest.

1994
01:36:40.410 --> 01:36:46.800
To trust any emergent scientific consensus.

1995
01:36:47.570 --> 01:36:48.830
And a consensus.

1996
01:36:48.860 --> 01:36:51.200
Unfortunately, we don't have a different word to use there,

1997
01:36:51.200 --> 01:36:52.250
so I'm stuck with that.

1998
01:36:52.280 --> 01:36:55.160
Normally when you hear the word consensus, people just offer

1999
01:36:55.160 --> 01:36:57.800
their opinions and you get the average or you get the

2000
01:36:57.800 --> 01:37:00.560
Democratic majority of opinions.

2001
01:37:00.960 --> 01:37:03.740
Right. A scientific consensus is not about opinions.

2002
01:37:03.740 --> 01:37:07.250
It's about results published, peer reviewed, published

2003
01:37:07.250 --> 01:37:08.540
results of experiments.

2004
01:37:08.540 --> 01:37:11.510
And we speak of that consensus of those experiments.

2005
01:37:11.720 --> 01:37:15.860
If they lean in one direction, it is in your interest to

2006
01:37:15.860 --> 01:37:17.520
lean with that direction. Correct.

2007
01:37:17.520 --> 01:37:19.670
And I think for some of those quotes, they say trust the

2008
01:37:19.670 --> 01:37:21.640
scientist.  Yes.

2009
01:37:21.650 --> 01:37:24.860
If the scientist is representing a consensus, if they're

2010
01:37:24.860 --> 01:37:27.440
isolated, it's like, what's going on here?

2011
01:37:27.440 --> 01:37:31.280
But wouldn't we say that the advance of science really is

2012
01:37:31.280 --> 01:37:32.990
advanced by the consensus?

2013
01:37:33.020 --> 01:37:36.440
It's usually that that that person that looks at something a

2014
01:37:36.440 --> 01:37:38.900
different way or that science group that says we want to

2015
01:37:38.900 --> 01:37:43.130
challenge this consensus space and then has to fight for it

2016
01:37:43.130 --> 01:37:46.670
and prove it and attacks and under the attacks or under the

2017
01:37:46.670 --> 01:37:50.310
pressures given from in every way possible to unearth it, it

2018
01:37:50.310 --> 01:37:51.390
holds true.

2019
01:37:51.420 --> 01:37:54.930
Then ultimately we see a shift in the consensus.

2020
01:37:54.930 --> 01:37:59.940
But would it be safe to say that very few of the science

2021
01:37:59.940 --> 01:38:02.490
advancements have happened because the consensus moved

2022
01:38:02.490 --> 01:38:07.290
first, but that it's usually a singular or small, smaller

2023
01:38:07.290 --> 01:38:09.120
group that that move in a new direction?

2024
01:38:09.120 --> 01:38:10.350
So that's that's.

2025
01:38:10.350 --> 01:38:12.640
Kuhn. Fabricating.

2026
01:38:12.640 --> 01:38:13.030
What's the word?

2027
01:38:13.630 --> 01:38:15.370
Okay. Clean it up for me.

2028
01:38:15.380 --> 01:38:16.330
I don't mean to put any.

2029
01:38:16.480 --> 01:38:21.370
I forgot the word. It's conjoining two things that should be

2030
01:38:21.370 --> 01:38:26.860
thought about separately. Okay, So one of them is you have a

2031
01:38:26.860 --> 01:38:30.820
scientific consensus, and then someone has a new idea and

2032
01:38:30.820 --> 01:38:32.110
the new idea.

2033
01:38:32.110 --> 01:38:35.860
But if the consensus is established through experiment,

2034
01:38:36.190 --> 01:38:39.070
verified and not over.

2035
01:38:40.080 --> 01:38:45.500
And not higher weight than it deserves.

2036
01:38:45.500 --> 01:38:48.530
So in other words, you can do an experiment.

2037
01:38:48.560 --> 01:38:53.210
This happened in the nutrition field where we all started

2038
01:38:53.210 --> 01:38:55.850
saying, let's now do the Mediterranean diet because that

2039
01:38:55.870 --> 01:38:59.480
it's low fat, low saturated fat and this sort of thing.

2040
01:38:59.480 --> 01:39:01.580
And then that was a big study.

2041
01:39:01.580 --> 01:39:04.370
I mean, it was it was epidemiological, but which always has

2042
01:39:04.370 --> 01:39:07.250
issues. But it was a it was a big study and no study had

2043
01:39:07.250 --> 01:39:08.270
been that large.

2044
01:39:08.270 --> 01:39:11.210
And everyone said, let's shift and advertising changed and

2045
01:39:11.210 --> 01:39:12.560
marketing changed and everything.

2046
01:39:12.560 --> 01:39:17.840
And then you're like, but wait a minute, how come this is

2047
01:39:17.840 --> 01:39:23.370
Europe? How come France was not in that study ?

2048
01:39:23.370 --> 01:39:25.450
Not in the study. France.

2049
01:39:25.870 --> 01:39:29.510
France. The country of saturated fat.

2050
01:39:29.660 --> 01:39:34.190
Okay. Right. The butter, the foreground, sauces, everything.

2051
01:39:34.370 --> 01:39:36.660
Okay. Wine it almost every meal.

2052
01:39:36.680 --> 01:39:36.940
Okay.

2053
01:39:36.950 --> 01:39:37.370
Breakfast.

2054
01:39:37.400 --> 01:39:42.470
Why?  In what way does the absence of these countries.

2055
01:39:43.470 --> 01:39:45.960
Bias, the result that they reported.

2056
01:39:46.170 --> 01:39:49.390
So that's so I would not call that consensus.

2057
01:39:49.410 --> 01:39:52.560
The Mediterranean diet, that was, again, this one study that

2058
01:39:52.560 --> 01:39:56.670
came out before others had a chance to, but people ran with

2059
01:39:56.670 --> 01:39:56.790
it.

2060
01:39:56.790 --> 01:39:59.820
But I mean, historically, Galileo breaks the system.

2061
01:39:59.820 --> 01:40:00.390
Newton breaks.

2062
01:40:00.630 --> 01:40:02.670
Well, Galileo burst the birth, the system.

2063
01:40:02.670 --> 01:40:06.120
So, yeah, he broke something that was not established

2064
01:40:06.120 --> 01:40:08.610
through scientific through scientific inquiry.

2065
01:40:08.610 --> 01:40:11.880
Right? So we can't we start with Galileo and move on.

2066
01:40:11.880 --> 01:40:14.880
Okay. So we have a consensus.

2067
01:40:14.880 --> 01:40:17.010
What I'm telling you is there are people working on the

2068
01:40:17.010 --> 01:40:19.500
edges of that consensus and people say, oh, that's a new

2069
01:40:19.500 --> 01:40:20.970
thing we can add to this.

2070
01:40:20.970 --> 01:40:24.240
All right? And if it's successful, it immediately gets

2071
01:40:24.240 --> 01:40:28.170
absorbed.  And immediately we can debate what immediately

2072
01:40:28.170 --> 01:40:30.420
means. Here's here's an interesting example.

2073
01:40:30.510 --> 01:40:33.990
Continental drift in geology.

2074
01:40:34.020 --> 01:40:36.840
This is a fascinating bit of history here.

2075
01:40:36.840 --> 01:40:38.760
I forgive me, I forgot the guy's name.

2076
01:40:38.760 --> 01:40:41.490
We have it correctly in Cosmos in one of the episodes of

2077
01:40:41.490 --> 01:40:44.830
Cosmos. But there's someone who looked and others had done

2078
01:40:44.830 --> 01:40:48.430
this before. They looked at the shape of South America and

2079
01:40:48.430 --> 01:40:52.180
the shape of Africa on a map and say, Wait, that that looks

2080
01:40:52.180 --> 01:40:55.660
like it fits, but there's a whole ocean between them.

2081
01:40:55.810 --> 01:40:58.180
But it kind of is there a puzzle?

2082
01:40:58.210 --> 01:41:00.780
Did these landmasses once connect?

2083
01:41:00.790 --> 01:41:02.860
Interesting question on that.

2084
01:41:02.860 --> 01:41:04.480
Circle your wiki page.

2085
01:41:04.480 --> 01:41:05.800
Circle. That's the hypothesis.

2086
01:41:05.800 --> 01:41:08.770
Right? Okay, let's test this.

2087
01:41:08.800 --> 01:41:09.940
Well, what might you do?

2088
01:41:09.970 --> 01:41:13.360
You say if they once connected, might there be fossils in

2089
01:41:13.360 --> 01:41:17.050
common on both shores even though there's an ocean between

2090
01:41:17.050 --> 01:41:19.360
them? So you look. The fossils match.

2091
01:41:20.000 --> 01:41:21.290
Oh, my gosh.

2092
01:41:21.650 --> 01:41:23.900
All right. And other things start matching.

2093
01:41:23.900 --> 01:41:30.560
But wait a minute. How the hell is land going to move on a

2094
01:41:30.560 --> 01:41:31.910
solid surface?

2095
01:41:32.030 --> 01:41:34.400
No one had any idea about this.

2096
01:41:34.430 --> 01:41:35.960
No understanding.

2097
01:41:35.960 --> 01:41:38.330
So that that notion.

2098
01:41:38.900 --> 01:41:42.680
That a continent would move when no one had a mechanism to

2099
01:41:42.680 --> 01:41:46.160
make it happen. It just sort of stayed there on the shelf.

2100
01:41:46.670 --> 01:41:48.860
Okay. And there it stayed.

2101
01:41:48.890 --> 01:41:52.370
Because even though this was intriguing evidence, it wasn't

2102
01:41:52.370 --> 01:41:54.380
enough to convince everybody.

2103
01:41:54.380 --> 01:41:57.620
Right. All right. The consensus was not ready to go there.

2104
01:41:57.620 --> 01:42:00.050
Right. And so what happens after the Second World War?

2105
01:42:00.080 --> 01:42:03.170
Well, during we're mapping the bottom of the Atlantic so the

2106
01:42:03.170 --> 01:42:06.440
subs no where to hide and where to go, the submarines.

2107
01:42:06.440 --> 01:42:10.130
And in the center of the Atlantic, there's a ridge.

2108
01:42:10.460 --> 01:42:12.410
Oh, my gosh, There's a split.

2109
01:42:12.440 --> 01:42:16.910
There's it's separating in the middle of the Atlantic.

2110
01:42:16.940 --> 01:42:20.060
Take a look at a surface map.

2111
01:42:20.060 --> 01:42:23.360
Without the ocean of the Atlantic Ocean, right down the

2112
01:42:23.360 --> 01:42:26.900
middle. Right. Once that was uncovered and revealed,

2113
01:42:26.900 --> 01:42:31.220
declassified and published, boom, we had the mechanism and

2114
01:42:31.220 --> 01:42:32.810
all the data fit.

2115
01:42:32.840 --> 01:42:37.490
This was so you could say this person was a lone island, but

2116
01:42:37.490 --> 01:42:40.140
they would gather everyone was gathering evidence.

2117
01:42:40.140 --> 01:42:41.880
And there were some holdouts, of course.

2118
01:42:41.880 --> 01:42:43.470
Theres always holdouts, probably.

2119
01:42:43.470 --> 01:42:46.140
Some really crazy ideas that thought fit in there, that

2120
01:42:46.140 --> 01:42:46.740
pushed it.

2121
01:42:47.100 --> 01:42:49.200
And by the way, nothing wrong with the crazy idea.

2122
01:42:49.440 --> 01:42:50.700
Nothing at all.

2123
01:42:51.450 --> 01:42:57.120
And so but but the the assertion that the lone person has to

2124
01:42:57.120 --> 01:43:01.080
move the consensus does not recognize that people in the

2125
01:43:01.080 --> 01:43:05.550
consensus are not trying to always consensusify.

2126
01:43:05.550 --> 01:43:06.840
Is that a word?

2127
01:43:07.260 --> 01:43:10.020
Let's make it a you know what it means. We live in a world

2128
01:43:10.020 --> 01:43:11.520
where, every year

2129
01:43:11.520 --> 01:43:12.780
we turn it into a verb, right?

2130
01:43:12.780 --> 01:43:14.070
That's right.

2131
01:43:14.070 --> 01:43:16.530
If you go to a scientific conference, we are arguing with

2132
01:43:16.530 --> 01:43:17.780
each other all the time, right?

2133
01:43:17.850 --> 01:43:21.240
We're not sitting back with our legs up on the table saying

2134
01:43:21.240 --> 01:43:23.370
we are masters of our understanding of the world.

2135
01:43:23.370 --> 01:43:26.670
No, we are always at the chalkboard so that when the

2136
01:43:26.670 --> 01:43:29.700
newspaper article says new results send scientists back to

2137
01:43:29.700 --> 01:43:30.720
the drawing board.

2138
01:43:31.170 --> 01:43:33.570
If you were not at the drawing board, you were not a

2139
01:43:33.570 --> 01:43:36.630
research scientist because we're all there at all times.

2140
01:43:36.660 --> 01:43:38.130
All right. And I love hearing that.

2141
01:43:38.130 --> 01:43:41.700
So I want to get into a problem that is being written about

2142
01:43:41.700 --> 01:43:43.530
quite often when it comes to science.

2143
01:43:43.530 --> 01:43:46.110
And especially you said there's certain spaces in science

2144
01:43:46.110 --> 01:43:50.190
that, fluctuate or have more issues in them or more

2145
01:43:50.190 --> 01:43:52.050
potential bias problems than others if.

2146
01:43:52.050 --> 01:43:53.350
They involve human behavior.

2147
01:43:53.370 --> 01:43:55.800
Right. So so I want to read you a few quotes, just three

2148
01:43:55.800 --> 01:43:58.590
quotes here really quick. This is Richard Horton, editor in

2149
01:43:58.590 --> 01:43:59.700
chief of The Lancet.

2150
01:43:59.940 --> 01:44:03.330
He said in this article, What is medicine's Five Sigma?

2151
01:44:03.330 --> 01:44:05.520
He said, The case against science is straightforward.

2152
01:44:05.520 --> 01:44:09.030
Much of the scientific literature, perhaps half, may be

2153
01:44:09.030 --> 01:44:10.110
simply untrue.

2154
01:44:10.140 --> 01:44:12.720
Totally, totally true. Studies with small sample sizes, tiny

2155
01:44:12.720 --> 01:44:15.660
effects and valid exploratory analysis and flagrant

2156
01:44:15.660 --> 01:44:17.430
conflicts of interest, together with an obsession for

2157
01:44:17.430 --> 01:44:20.220
pursuing fashionable trends of dubious importance, science

2158
01:44:20.220 --> 01:44:21.720
has taken a turn towards darkness.

2159
01:44:21.750 --> 01:44:23.580
Again, another another editor.

2160
01:44:23.820 --> 01:44:25.230
Let me just let me read this for you and then we'll hit it.

2161
01:44:25.380 --> 01:44:29.010
Dr. Richard Smith Just to give the body of the concern here,

2162
01:44:29.460 --> 01:44:32.290
BMJ, a scientific peer reviews are a sacred cow.

2163
01:44:32.320 --> 01:44:33.600
This is what he has to say.

2164
01:44:33.610 --> 01:44:35.620
He says Richard Smith, who edited the British Medical

2165
01:44:35.620 --> 01:44:37.870
Journal for more than a decade, said there was no evidence

2166
01:44:37.870 --> 01:44:40.000
that peer review was a good method of detecting errors and

2167
01:44:40.000 --> 01:44:42.730
claimed that most of what is published in journals is just

2168
01:44:42.730 --> 01:44:43.870
plain wrong or nonsense.

2169
01:44:43.870 --> 01:44:48.700
And lastly, another editor, Marsha Engel, and she's from New

2170
01:44:48.700 --> 01:44:49.840
England Journal of Medicine.

2171
01:44:49.840 --> 01:44:52.390
She had this to say about the same issue.

2172
01:44:52.420 --> 01:44:55.750
It is simply no longer possible to believe much of the

2173
01:44:55.750 --> 01:44:58.210
clinical research that is published or to rely on the

2174
01:44:58.240 --> 01:45:00.730
judgment of trusted physicians or authoritative medical

2175
01:45:00.730 --> 01:45:04.330
guidelines. I take no pleasure in this conclusion, which I

2176
01:45:04.330 --> 01:45:07.120
reached slowly and reluctantly over my two decades as an

2177
01:45:07.120 --> 01:45:09.340
editor of the New England Journal of Medicine.

2178
01:45:09.340 --> 01:45:11.050
We're talking about medicine and science.

2179
01:45:11.050 --> 01:45:14.020
This is a science that actually affects the human body,

2180
01:45:14.020 --> 01:45:17.920
right? It has. And we are looking at when you say the

2181
01:45:17.920 --> 01:45:22.360
consensus, many of these statements, more than 50% I know

2182
01:45:22.360 --> 01:45:25.180
you you've seen a lot of the studies by universities saying

2183
01:45:25.180 --> 01:45:29.290
we can't recreate this science and make it happen again in

2184
01:45:29.290 --> 01:45:32.830
more than 50% of what we have signed off on was true.

2185
01:45:32.830 --> 01:45:35.770
And so that begs the question.

2186
01:45:35.850 --> 01:45:37.210
They didn't sign up for was true.

2187
01:45:37.420 --> 01:45:42.490
Just to be clear, a published research paper is not in and

2188
01:45:42.520 --> 01:45:44.590
of itself the truth.

2189
01:45:44.620 --> 01:45:49.660
It is the results of an experiment, any one of which can

2190
01:45:49.660 --> 01:45:55.090
have either intentional bias or inadvertent bias or some

2191
01:45:55.090 --> 01:45:58.570
other kind of glitch that happened that they didn't even

2192
01:45:58.570 --> 01:46:02.740
know about. By the way, that one of those quotes is speaking

2193
01:46:02.740 --> 01:46:05.940
as though it's a new fact, but it's an old fact, right?

2194
01:46:05.980 --> 01:46:10.000
Half or more of all freshly published papers will ultimately

2195
01:46:10.000 --> 01:46:13.180
shown to be wrong. You can go back to the journals and you

2196
01:46:13.180 --> 01:46:14.860
see, well, I've got an idea.

2197
01:46:14.950 --> 01:46:17.680
I do this and they know that this didn't pan out.

2198
01:46:17.680 --> 01:46:20.530
So that's not a new fact, That's an old fact.

2199
01:46:20.530 --> 01:46:24.250
And that is the very nature of the moving frontier.

2200
01:46:24.250 --> 01:46:25.300
It is bloody.

2201
01:46:25.750 --> 01:46:27.820
I don't want to call it ugly because we already know that's

2202
01:46:27.820 --> 01:46:28.960
what it's supposed to be.

2203
01:46:28.960 --> 01:46:32.110
It's beautiful in that it's contested.

2204
01:46:32.110 --> 01:46:33.130
The way it is.

2205
01:46:33.130 --> 01:46:35.920
Yes, that's that's the process.

2206
01:46:35.920 --> 01:46:40.960
But in the case of business and in all things, is it possible

2207
01:46:40.960 --> 01:46:46.660
for a science or an idea that is allowing some potentially,

2208
01:46:46.660 --> 01:46:52.600
peer reviewed ideas that weren't properly done because it

2209
01:46:52.600 --> 01:46:55.990
suits, for instance, a pharmaceutical industry that is

2210
01:46:55.990 --> 01:47:02.230
making billions of dollars and is now lobbying nations

2211
01:47:02.230 --> 01:47:05.530
around the world and is putting in players inside of

2212
01:47:05.530 --> 01:47:07.450
regulatory agencies.

2213
01:47:07.480 --> 01:47:12.310
Is it possible is it just possible that the consensus could

2214
01:47:12.310 --> 01:47:16.720
be moving in an incorrect direction or with a few incorrect

2215
01:47:16.720 --> 01:47:17.200
assumptions?

2216
01:47:17.200 --> 01:47:21.280
There's a deeper issue than what those three quotes

2217
01:47:21.730 --> 01:47:23.950
communicate here. This is a deeper issue.

2218
01:47:24.490 --> 01:47:27.910
I would claim that half of those quotes were always true so

2219
01:47:27.910 --> 01:47:33.250
that it feels fresh and new because we're in a health issue

2220
01:47:33.250 --> 01:47:36.640
here. Okay, so the health headlines are noticed a little

2221
01:47:36.640 --> 01:47:37.840
more than usual.

2222
01:47:37.990 --> 01:47:40.360
And it's where science actually impacts our personal lives.

2223
01:47:40.360 --> 01:47:43.300
What's happening out in the cosmos, most of us.

2224
01:47:43.300 --> 01:47:43.590
I know.

2225
01:47:43.660 --> 01:47:46.660
It doesn't whether I live for the next two years

2226
01:47:46.660 --> 01:47:48.220
or not, nor do I really need to put.

2227
01:47:48.220 --> 01:47:49.690
disclosure statements.

2228
01:47:49.810 --> 01:47:54.010
Right. you know we can and do, but it's not It's like it's

2229
01:47:54.010 --> 01:47:55.120
it's perfunctory.

2230
01:47:55.120 --> 01:47:58.180
It's not. Let me see what your bias is with your telescope.

2231
01:47:58.180 --> 01:47:59.620
Who funded you with the black hole?

2232
01:47:59.620 --> 01:48:02.230
it's not we're not as susceptible.

2233
01:48:03.010 --> 01:48:09.130
The the bigger, deeper issue here is I produce a result.

2234
01:48:09.800 --> 01:48:11.300
That's interesting.

2235
01:48:11.300 --> 01:48:14.030
And maybe move the field in a in a way.

2236
01:48:14.840 --> 01:48:15.980
But yeah, there's bias.

2237
01:48:15.980 --> 01:48:17.800
There's funding bias. There's my bias.

2238
01:48:17.810 --> 01:48:23.930
Okay. You don't get famous.

2239
01:48:24.680 --> 01:48:26.780
By the way, back up.

2240
01:48:27.900 --> 01:48:30.810
Just because I'm funded by.

2241
01:48:31.660 --> 01:48:36.130
A business entity and get a result that's in their interest.

2242
01:48:36.860 --> 01:48:39.080
Does not mean my result is false.

2243
01:48:39.380 --> 01:48:42.710
It just means you want to just look a little closer.

2244
01:48:42.740 --> 01:48:45.980
Okay. Sure. You get a bigger magnifying glass.

2245
01:48:45.980 --> 01:48:47.630
And you Have a little more scrutiny.

2246
01:48:47.660 --> 01:48:49.370
A little more scrutiny. That's all that means.

2247
01:48:49.400 --> 01:48:52.640
Doesn't mean it has to be wrong.

2248
01:48:52.710 --> 01:48:53.740
Great. Just to be clear.

2249
01:48:53.750 --> 01:48:55.850
So here's the bigger problem.

2250
01:48:55.850 --> 01:48:58.280
Great distinction that is not yet resolved.

2251
01:48:59.330 --> 01:49:03.140
Is funding agencies that fund science.

2252
01:49:03.380 --> 01:49:09.950
If I say Betty Lou and Johnny Smith got this result, I want

2253
01:49:09.950 --> 01:49:11.390
to duplicate their experiment.

2254
01:49:12.520 --> 01:49:14.080
There's hardly any money for that.

2255
01:49:14.080 --> 01:49:18.430
Right. And that's the big that's the bigger problem than

2256
01:49:18.430 --> 01:49:19.780
anything, those three quotes.

2257
01:49:19.810 --> 01:49:23.650
Getting funding to challenge a giant system,

2258
01:49:23.660 --> 01:49:27.170
to challenge a result that everyone is kind of buying into.

2259
01:49:27.200 --> 01:49:34.180
Yeah. And so the verification part of that loop is in

2260
01:49:34.180 --> 01:49:34.690
danger.

2261
01:49:34.720 --> 01:49:36.250
Completely agree. And by the way.

2262
01:49:36.820 --> 01:49:39.280
Very simply put, it's one of the problems we have.

2263
01:49:39.280 --> 01:49:42.250
And I don't know where you stand on vitamins and drugs, but

2264
01:49:42.250 --> 01:49:46.240
a drug company likes the fact that it costs $100 anywhere.

2265
01:49:46.240 --> 01:49:47.500
By the way, I don't take stances.

2266
01:49:47.530 --> 01:49:50.440
Okay. So but a drug company likes the fact I think that it

2267
01:49:50.440 --> 01:49:54.100
costs $100 Million to be able to prove a product through,

2268
01:49:54.460 --> 01:49:56.790
the type of science we want.

2269
01:49:56.800 --> 01:49:59.800
And now if you can force the vitamin companies to have to go

2270
01:49:59.800 --> 01:50:02.020
through that same thing, then you can just say you don't get

2271
01:50:02.020 --> 01:50:03.340
to make any claims there at all.

2272
01:50:03.340 --> 01:50:05.890
These things affect us in many different ways, and they're

2273
01:50:05.890 --> 01:50:07.870
really big, strong ethical questions.

2274
01:50:07.870 --> 01:50:09.310
Yes, there are. Right. You so so.

2275
01:50:09.640 --> 01:50:14.110
In the system that we've built for ourselves I'm let's back

2276
01:50:14.110 --> 01:50:18.580
up 100 and how many 50 years.

2277
01:50:19.390 --> 01:50:24.820
Yeah So 1863 whenever however long ago that was I, Abraham

2278
01:50:24.820 --> 01:50:30.880
Lincoln who clearly had other issues on his plate in 1863,

2279
01:50:31.000 --> 01:50:33.310
he signed into law.

2280
01:50:34.350 --> 01:50:37.530
The creation of the National Academy of Sciences.

2281
01:50:38.290 --> 01:50:42.700
Conceived to be independent of government agencies, yet

2282
01:50:42.700 --> 01:50:46.960
responding to their requests to produce.

2283
01:50:47.260 --> 01:50:53.110
To produce research that may serve the interest of the

2284
01:50:53.110 --> 01:50:54.640
nation. Our health.

2285
01:50:54.640 --> 01:50:56.260
Our wealth. Our security.

2286
01:50:56.470 --> 01:50:59.920
Okay. Other agencies have come up since then, of course, the

2287
01:50:59.920 --> 01:51:02.560
National Institutes of Health, the.

2288
01:51:02.980 --> 01:51:04.360
And so.

2289
01:51:04.950 --> 01:51:09.480
But let me specifically speak to the National Academy of

2290
01:51:09.480 --> 01:51:14.250
Sciences. Other than a sort of a foray into eugenics.

2291
01:51:14.250 --> 01:51:16.650
Like I said, this was a very big thing in its day.

2292
01:51:16.650 --> 01:51:22.320
Yeah, by and large, when they publish a paper.

2293
01:51:23.360 --> 01:51:27.260
It's some of the best scientists who are elected to that to

2294
01:51:27.260 --> 01:51:28.400
those positions.

2295
01:51:31.230 --> 01:51:36.000
Analyzing research to give you the best available data at

2296
01:51:36.000 --> 01:51:36.720
the time.

2297
01:51:37.290 --> 01:51:40.680
Is there is there is it wrong to assume some level of

2298
01:51:40.680 --> 01:51:43.320
objectivity in those spaces that if they're government

2299
01:51:43.320 --> 01:51:47.340
agencies or signed in by Abraham Lincoln or the NIH, that

2300
01:51:47.340 --> 01:51:54.120
that they're keeping themselves apart from the the funded,

2301
01:51:54.120 --> 01:51:57.930
entities, pharmaceutical or, sciences that that we trust

2302
01:51:57.930 --> 01:52:00.650
these agencies because they keep themselves out of the loop.

2303
01:52:00.660 --> 01:52:04.530
They are comprised primarily of independent scientific

2304
01:52:04.530 --> 01:52:06.840
researchers, typically in universities.

2305
01:52:07.050 --> 01:52:12.300
So so the way you have to say this is is it completely free

2306
01:52:12.300 --> 01:52:13.740
of any possible bias?

2307
01:52:13.740 --> 01:52:14.970
Probably not.

2308
01:52:15.930 --> 01:52:19.800
But is there any other agency that's less biased?

2309
01:52:19.920 --> 01:52:23.790
I would say no, there isn't, based on my read of the

2310
01:52:23.790 --> 01:52:27.270
landscape. Okay. So once again, it's where you're going to

2311
01:52:27.270 --> 01:52:30.970
lean when it's time to make a decision that affects your

2312
01:52:30.970 --> 01:52:33.730
health, your wealth or your security.

2313
01:52:33.880 --> 01:52:35.140
But I want to get back to the point.

2314
01:52:35.140 --> 01:52:37.090
Someone said that peer review is broken.

2315
01:52:37.090 --> 01:52:39.610
That's it's broken.

2316
01:52:40.490 --> 01:52:43.490
Primarily in the fact that you're not going to fund me to

2317
01:52:43.490 --> 01:52:45.020
just duplicate someone else's research.

2318
01:52:45.170 --> 01:52:46.280
That's not interesting.

2319
01:52:46.310 --> 01:52:47.420
We're having trouble finding.

2320
01:52:47.420 --> 01:52:52.940
And if half of the research that the public is is funneling

2321
01:52:52.940 --> 01:52:55.730
into their own conduct and politicians are grabbing onto.

2322
01:52:55.760 --> 01:52:58.760
If half of that would ultimately shown to be false and no

2323
01:52:58.760 --> 01:53:01.310
one is going to fund that, that's the real problem.

2324
01:53:01.490 --> 01:53:03.530
And and so that needs an overhaul.

2325
01:53:03.530 --> 01:53:04.640
We need an overhaul for sure.

2326
01:53:04.670 --> 01:53:07.910
All right. So let me let me just because I know your time is

2327
01:53:07.910 --> 01:53:09.980
precious and you have a bunch of things and I want to

2328
01:53:09.980 --> 01:53:11.080
respect your time.

2329
01:53:11.090 --> 01:53:13.520
There is there is a there is something that actually

2330
01:53:13.520 --> 01:53:16.280
combines us together. We're actually combined recently in an

2331
01:53:16.280 --> 01:53:18.410
article that I want to bring up.

2332
01:53:18.600 --> 01:53:21.350
This is based on a movie that you have coming out somewhere

2333
01:53:21.350 --> 01:53:23.000
that's shot in the arm, which is coming out, shot in the

2334
01:53:23.000 --> 01:53:25.400
arm. So shot in the arm, I just want to point out, is in The

2335
01:53:25.400 --> 01:53:28.430
Hollywood Reporter, just to show, part of what sits the two

2336
01:53:28.430 --> 01:53:30.290
of us at this table, shot in the arm review appointed

2337
01:53:30.290 --> 01:53:32.090
documentary about the anti-vax movement.

2338
01:53:32.090 --> 01:53:35.420
Filmmaker Scott Hamilton Kennedy popular scientist and Neil

2339
01:53:35.420 --> 01:53:37.880
deGrasse Tyson joined forces to explore the history and

2340
01:53:37.880 --> 01:53:41.130
deadly consequences of resistance to COVID vaccines.

2341
01:53:41.130 --> 01:53:43.410
It's just a little excerpt just to chime in here.

2342
01:53:43.410 --> 01:53:46.710
Kennedy actually began working on the film in 2019 during a

2343
01:53:46.710 --> 01:53:49.200
surprising uptick in cases of measles around the world.

2344
01:53:49.200 --> 01:53:51.690
He found that the causes could be found in growing

2345
01:53:51.690 --> 01:53:54.240
resistance to vaccines fueled by prominent people like

2346
01:53:54.240 --> 01:53:57.810
environmental activist Robert Kennedy Jr and TV personality

2347
01:53:57.810 --> 01:54:01.410
Del Bigtree. Their primary argument, refuted by almost all

2348
01:54:01.410 --> 01:54:04.050
prominent scientists, was that the measles vaccine led to

2349
01:54:04.080 --> 01:54:05.400
cases of autism.

2350
01:54:05.400 --> 01:54:09.450
When we go to the site on this film, the actual fundraising

2351
01:54:09.450 --> 01:54:13.620
page has a photo of me which is interesting.

2352
01:54:13.620 --> 01:54:15.660
If you want to donate to Shot in the Arm, there's Del

2353
01:54:15.690 --> 01:54:19.410
Bigtree. I mean, clearly this is a documentary that is not

2354
01:54:19.410 --> 01:54:22.740
going to try and make me look like the best guy in the

2355
01:54:22.740 --> 01:54:25.200
world. And I want to be I want to be really clear with you

2356
01:54:25.200 --> 01:54:29.820
right here. You and everybody has every right to challenge

2357
01:54:29.820 --> 01:54:31.140
the things that I've said.

2358
01:54:31.170 --> 01:54:33.750
And I'll let Robert Kennedy Jr speak for himself.

2359
01:54:33.750 --> 01:54:40.050
And so I just really honestly want to understand why this is

2360
01:54:40.050 --> 01:54:42.560
a film you thought was important so that,

2361
01:54:42.600 --> 01:54:45.720
Yeah. So Scott Kennedy, he's the filmmaker.

2362
01:54:45.720 --> 01:54:48.120
Yeah. He wrote it, produced it, directed it, filmed it.

2363
01:54:48.330 --> 01:54:54.810
I came on after he showed me an early version of it.

2364
01:54:54.810 --> 01:54:57.450
Okay. Okay. Yeah. What do they call it in the business?

2365
01:54:57.450 --> 01:54:58.350
Not a take, but an.

2366
01:54:58.350 --> 01:54:59.430
Early preview

2367
01:54:59.440 --> 01:55:01.560
early preview .

2368
01:55:01.560 --> 01:55:04.470
And I said fascinating.

2369
01:55:04.470 --> 01:55:06.780
I think you can communicate this a little better

2370
01:55:06.780 --> 01:55:09.630
differently, a little less.

2371
01:55:10.680 --> 01:55:17.010
And so I offered my sensibilities as an educator and as a

2372
01:55:17.010 --> 01:55:19.350
scientist to help.

2373
01:55:20.130 --> 01:55:24.990
Tighten or tune better word the narrative and the editing of

2374
01:55:24.990 --> 01:55:27.060
what would ultimately I said, you can't just say this

2375
01:55:27.060 --> 01:55:29.940
without showing results and this this sort of thing.

2376
01:55:29.940 --> 01:55:33.120
What? That was an article in The Hollywood Reporter.

2377
01:55:33.120 --> 01:55:39.570
What it missed in there is the documentary is not about what

2378
01:55:39.570 --> 01:55:41.550
any one scientist says.

2379
01:55:42.160 --> 01:55:44.680
Even though scientists themselves are interviewed.

2380
01:55:44.920 --> 01:55:49.870
It's about the consensus of the medical community and what

2381
01:55:49.870 --> 01:55:55.600
it says. And so this is a vessel to communicate that no

2382
01:55:55.600 --> 01:55:57.970
differently than would any vessel be when we are

2383
01:55:57.970 --> 01:56:02.290
communicating how gravity works or how anything else that

2384
01:56:02.290 --> 01:56:04.690
has been established through the methods and tools of

2385
01:56:04.690 --> 01:56:06.070
science. Yeah. Yeah.

2386
01:56:06.070 --> 01:56:09.910
So, I would just say, and as we're having this conversation

2387
01:56:09.910 --> 01:56:13.990
is that,the article goes on to say that, Del wasn't able to

2388
01:56:13.990 --> 01:56:15.510
put up like we asked them questions.

2389
01:56:15.530 --> 01:56:17.440
They were unable to give a decent argument to their

2390
01:56:17.440 --> 01:56:22.300
perspective. But I want to make it clear that, Kennedy, the

2391
01:56:22.300 --> 01:56:25.090
director, never called me and said, here's the list of

2392
01:56:25.090 --> 01:56:26.290
questions we'd like you to answer.

2393
01:56:26.290 --> 01:56:28.630
We're going to sit down and put you in an interview.

2394
01:56:28.630 --> 01:56:31.390
I was at the CDC one time when I came out of a meeting,

2395
01:56:31.420 --> 01:56:34.270
tried to observe how the science was being done there and

2396
01:56:34.270 --> 01:56:36.220
asked questions on the fly.

2397
01:56:36.550 --> 01:56:39.460
I imagine that the interviews of Tony Fauci and others, they

2398
01:56:39.460 --> 01:56:42.110
got to sit down and were prepped on what was going to take

2399
01:56:42.110 --> 01:56:47.090
place there. And so in some ways, I don't think that we I

2400
01:56:47.090 --> 01:56:50.720
can say honestly, I was never given some fair space to to

2401
01:56:50.720 --> 01:56:53.090
explain my position, which I made a film.

2402
01:56:53.090 --> 01:56:56.030
Vaxxed. And VAXXED And I will say this, people say VAXXED

2403
01:56:56.030 --> 01:56:59.090
proves that the MMR vaccine causes autism.

2404
01:56:59.090 --> 01:57:00.830
That's what puts me in this space.

2405
01:57:00.830 --> 01:57:02.330
I have never made that statement.

2406
01:57:02.330 --> 01:57:05.600
What I have said is that vaccine proves that we have a

2407
01:57:05.630 --> 01:57:09.050
whistleblower inside the CDC that is giving us 10,000

2408
01:57:09.050 --> 01:57:13.310
documents he said he was asked to destroy and that the we

2409
01:57:13.310 --> 01:57:17.510
know that the study plan changed after there was already the

2410
01:57:17.510 --> 01:57:20.690
protocol was set, which in some cases should be considered

2411
01:57:20.690 --> 01:57:23.810
scientific fraud. If you change mid study and start kicking

2412
01:57:23.810 --> 01:57:28.130
half of the cohorts or the people in the study off the study

2413
01:57:28.130 --> 01:57:30.830
to get a different result, and you have an inside scientist

2414
01:57:30.830 --> 01:57:32.150
saying, I was there in the room.

2415
01:57:32.150 --> 01:57:34.730
We were trying to get a different result to the study.

2416
01:57:34.730 --> 01:57:37.850
What I have said is VAXXED proves that whatever these

2417
01:57:37.850 --> 01:57:42.110
scientists saw made them push the limits of potential

2418
01:57:42.110 --> 01:57:44.270
scientific fraud. That's all that I've ever been able to

2419
01:57:44.270 --> 01:57:47.390
prove, because we really lack a huge body of science in this

2420
01:57:47.390 --> 01:57:52.880
space. But I want to just what seems clear is you must think

2421
01:57:52.880 --> 01:57:56.930
it's important. And I want to ask you just directly, you

2422
01:57:56.930 --> 01:58:01.730
must feel that a statement questioning the safety of the MMR

2423
01:58:01.760 --> 01:58:03.740
vaccine in this case, which seems measles.

2424
01:58:03.740 --> 01:58:05.390
I haven't seen the documentary because it's unavailable.

2425
01:58:05.390 --> 01:58:05.790
We've asked for.

2426
01:58:05.820 --> 01:58:08.120
It's not out yet. It's not later this year.

2427
01:58:08.450 --> 01:58:09.820
But is it fair to.

2428
01:58:09.950 --> 01:58:10.880
it's still being edited.

2429
01:58:10.880 --> 01:58:14.810
is it fair. to say you think it's dangerous to challenge the

2430
01:58:14.810 --> 01:58:18.230
safety of the MMR vaccine because the damage that that

2431
01:58:18.230 --> 01:58:23.690
challenge could do to humanity is that is is that a fair If

2432
01:58:23.690 --> 01:58:24.750
I was going to make the statement for you

2433
01:58:25.460 --> 01:58:30.980
I don't have sufficient medical background to speak with

2434
01:58:30.980 --> 01:58:32.060
authority on this.

2435
01:58:32.060 --> 01:58:38.300
What I can I can say more generally is I recognize the data

2436
01:58:38.300 --> 01:58:43.040
on vaccines broadly and how many lives it has saved.

2437
01:58:43.160 --> 01:58:48.260
They have saved over the centuries, more specifically recent

2438
01:58:48.260 --> 01:58:55.430
decades. And so so and that, from what I can see, represents

2439
01:58:55.430 --> 01:58:59.660
consensus research in the medical community.

2440
01:58:59.660 --> 01:59:05.150
And so I never have any specific agenda to typically an

2441
01:59:05.150 --> 01:59:07.160
agenda is I want to do this when everyone else is doing

2442
01:59:07.160 --> 01:59:13.460
that. When I'm a scientist and I'm an educator and I don't

2443
01:59:13.460 --> 01:59:15.380
benefit or anything, I just.

2444
01:59:16.750 --> 01:59:20.830
Trying to communicate what communities of scientists have

2445
01:59:20.830 --> 01:59:22.030
discovered and learned.

2446
01:59:22.150 --> 01:59:25.390
And that's my only role in this.

2447
01:59:25.660 --> 01:59:29.020
I'd be happy to take your concern that you didn't have an

2448
01:59:29.050 --> 01:59:30.130
occasion to sit down.

2449
01:59:30.430 --> 01:59:33.100
But there's a there's a lot of footage of you as you found a

2450
01:59:33.100 --> 01:59:34.990
lot of footage of me in the intro here.

2451
01:59:35.020 --> 01:59:36.760
There's a lot of footage of you talking.

2452
01:59:36.980 --> 01:59:38.920
You're not.

2453
01:59:39.040 --> 01:59:41.650
You're not a hidden voice out there.

2454
01:59:41.980 --> 01:59:43.240
Right? That's true. Right.

2455
01:59:43.510 --> 01:59:46.510
So so my question to you would be and because around this

2456
01:59:46.510 --> 01:59:46.930
issue,

2457
01:59:46.930 --> 01:59:52.660
I know just to be clear So when I communicate this  to the to

2458
01:59:52.660 --> 01:59:58.330
the the film director, are you going to say that the body of

2459
01:59:58.330 --> 02:00:03.460
videos of you speaking publicly and passionately about what

2460
02:00:03.460 --> 02:00:07.990
you are sure is true, that that is insufficient to

2461
02:00:07.990 --> 02:00:08.320
communicate?

2462
02:00:08.320 --> 02:00:10.990
It would be insufficient if it isn't providing the science

2463
02:00:10.990 --> 02:00:13.720
with which I reference and the data that I reference.

2464
02:00:13.720 --> 02:00:14.560
You talk about data.

2465
02:00:15.010 --> 02:00:17.690
Other people sat down for interviews because we don't have

2466
02:00:17.690 --> 02:00:21.200
reams of footage of them speaking with huge, huge rooms of

2467
02:00:21.200 --> 02:00:23.420
people. You have the charisma and the platform.

2468
02:00:23.420 --> 02:00:26.930
And look, if I see the graphs and I see the articles and I

2469
02:00:26.930 --> 02:00:30.440
see my statements about Horton saying things like, we can't

2470
02:00:30.470 --> 02:00:32.450
trust the peer reviewed science around things.

2471
02:00:32.450 --> 02:00:35.840
And the point that I'm making and also the point being this,

2472
02:00:35.840 --> 02:00:39.200
that I think this is being misunderstood in some ways

2473
02:00:39.200 --> 02:00:42.200
because though there is a consensus of science, there's a

2474
02:00:42.200 --> 02:00:45.140
consensus of science around the fact that penicillin has

2475
02:00:45.140 --> 02:00:48.380
been a life saving product for the world.

2476
02:00:48.380 --> 02:00:51.110
But can I be safe to say that you wouldn't mandate that

2477
02:00:51.110 --> 02:00:53.120
everyone that gets an infection get penicillin?

2478
02:00:53.820 --> 02:00:56.250
So you wouldn't force a whole separate There's a whole

2479
02:00:56.250 --> 02:01:00.450
Separate question there about what is your responsibility to

2480
02:01:00.450 --> 02:01:04.800
public health? And that has to do with what kind of country

2481
02:01:04.800 --> 02:01:06.570
we want to have for ourselves.

2482
02:01:06.570 --> 02:01:12.120
Yeah, the history of public health as as it goes way back,

2483
02:01:12.120 --> 02:01:16.350
to ancient Rome. But in modern times we can think of London

2484
02:01:16.350 --> 02:01:20.310
when they figured out how to create sanitation and and

2485
02:01:20.490 --> 02:01:21.450
participate in this.

2486
02:01:21.630 --> 02:01:21.840
Yeah.

2487
02:01:21.840 --> 02:01:22.890
Oh, huge.

2488
02:01:23.190 --> 02:01:24.150
Probably the hugest Thing.

2489
02:01:24.150 --> 02:01:25.920
I think bigger. I think toilets are bigger than vaccines.

2490
02:01:25.990 --> 02:01:26.140
Yeah.

2491
02:01:26.370 --> 02:01:27.150
It's actually.

2492
02:01:27.150 --> 02:01:27.900
When we're going to talk to the.

2493
02:01:28.530 --> 02:01:28.950
Plumbing.

2494
02:01:29.130 --> 02:01:30.630
Plumbing. Massive massive.

2495
02:01:31.020 --> 02:01:35.040
Throw it out the window. So these are steps towards Public

2496
02:01:35.040 --> 02:01:40.890
health. And so that's a whole other conversation.

2497
02:01:40.890 --> 02:01:42.390
Well, all science can do is provide.

2498
02:01:42.570 --> 02:01:44.580
It is And I want to have that conversation with you, but I

2499
02:01:44.580 --> 02:01:48.330
just want to see if we can meet in one place, which is and

2500
02:01:48.330 --> 02:01:50.670
I'll just cut to the chase. Penicillin can't be given to

2501
02:01:50.670 --> 02:01:53.250
everybody, right? There are some people that have

2502
02:01:53.350 --> 02:01:55.450
potentially deadly reaction to penicillin.

2503
02:01:55.540 --> 02:01:56.230
As I Understand.

2504
02:01:56.380 --> 02:01:59.470
So if we were to mandate a product like that on everybody, it

2505
02:01:59.470 --> 02:02:01.660
has a massive overall benefit.

2506
02:02:01.660 --> 02:02:03.400
But there are some that will not benefit.

2507
02:02:03.400 --> 02:02:06.820
And the argument and where I'm at is that there is a giant

2508
02:02:06.820 --> 02:02:09.760
consensus of science that only wants to focus on the benefit

2509
02:02:09.790 --> 02:02:12.610
of a product and not the fact that there is this small

2510
02:02:12.610 --> 02:02:14.530
potentially. We don't know exactly how small because it's

2511
02:02:14.530 --> 02:02:17.500
hard, as you've said, to get funding into the science of

2512
02:02:17.500 --> 02:02:19.370
what the size of this group is.

2513
02:02:19.390 --> 02:02:19.990
So, you know what we need?

2514
02:02:20.310 --> 02:02:23.980
We might not have in every case a little test kit and test.

2515
02:02:24.220 --> 02:02:25.510
We do it for allergies.

2516
02:02:25.510 --> 02:02:26.650
We can test your allergy.

2517
02:02:26.680 --> 02:02:28.960
Absolutely. Are you allergic to strawberries?

2518
02:02:28.990 --> 02:02:31.210
How about whats happening in California?

2519
02:02:31.240 --> 02:02:33.580
There are kids that can't even test out of getting a vaccine.

2520
02:02:33.580 --> 02:02:36.040
When they show titers to the actual virus.

2521
02:02:36.040 --> 02:02:38.860
They are. We have tried to push laws like just allow a

2522
02:02:38.860 --> 02:02:41.650
person to say, I'm showing that I'm still immune to this.

2523
02:02:41.680 --> 02:02:44.050
Why should I have to get this vaccine if I already have

2524
02:02:44.050 --> 02:02:46.180
strong means, things like that that I like to talk unless.

2525
02:02:46.260 --> 02:02:48.640
Unless the unless the bug mutated.

2526
02:02:48.640 --> 02:02:49.690
I mean, so.

2527
02:02:49.690 --> 02:02:52.090
But the vaccine hasn't changed either.

2528
02:02:52.090 --> 02:02:55.470
I mean, we you could admit that none of the MMR vaccine has.

2529
02:02:55.590 --> 02:02:58.110
We haven't seen that change because of mutations at all

2530
02:02:58.110 --> 02:03:01.170
either. So it would be just as archaic as this immune system

2531
02:03:01.170 --> 02:03:02.400
was. But I don't want to get into.

2532
02:03:02.400 --> 02:03:02.730
No, no, no.

2533
02:03:02.730 --> 02:03:04.170
It's I think again.

2534
02:03:04.170 --> 02:03:08.460
I don't want to speak out of turn here, but if a disease is

2535
02:03:08.460 --> 02:03:12.810
mostly gone, the occasions for it to mutate are dramatically

2536
02:03:12.810 --> 02:03:16.470
diminished so that a vaccine that worked at one point when

2537
02:03:16.470 --> 02:03:19.740
it is not rampant around the world, would conceivably

2538
02:03:19.740 --> 02:03:22.140
continue to work as you move forward.

2539
02:03:22.140 --> 02:03:25.860
Something that is rampant around the world has unlimited

2540
02:03:25.860 --> 02:03:27.060
occasions to mutate.

2541
02:03:27.060 --> 02:03:29.490
Well, let me just show you a couple of data on on on measles,

2542
02:03:29.490 --> 02:03:32.280
because I know that the film revolves around Rockland

2543
02:03:32.280 --> 02:03:34.830
County, New York. I did go to speak to the Hasidic Jewish

2544
02:03:34.830 --> 02:03:38.520
community there. I don't think that that's a fair assessment

2545
02:03:38.520 --> 02:03:39.750
of a measles outbreak.

2546
02:03:39.870 --> 02:03:40.560
This is me.

2547
02:03:40.710 --> 02:03:41.130
There you go.

2548
02:03:41.130 --> 02:03:44.220
There it is. That's about how much attention I was getting in

2549
02:03:44.220 --> 02:03:45.540
the middle of a measles outbreak.

2550
02:03:45.540 --> 02:03:48.570
But I will tell you this, that that outbreak wasn't a

2551
02:03:48.570 --> 02:03:52.770
natural one. These people were being kept out of synagogues

2552
02:03:52.770 --> 02:03:53.850
over Passover.

2553
02:03:53.880 --> 02:03:56.770
They're really honestly being oppressed and quarantined,

2554
02:03:56.770 --> 02:03:58.660
which is a scary thing in the United States of America to

2555
02:03:58.660 --> 02:04:00.100
see this community especially.

2556
02:04:00.100 --> 02:04:01.360
But I will say this.

2557
02:04:01.360 --> 02:04:04.630
They were going out of their way to have measles parties so

2558
02:04:04.630 --> 02:04:05.890
that they could catch the measles.

2559
02:04:05.890 --> 02:04:08.170
So never again would the government of the United States

2560
02:04:08.170 --> 02:04:10.900
keep them out of their own synagogues and keep them off the

2561
02:04:10.900 --> 02:04:11.950
streets and find them.

2562
02:04:11.950 --> 02:04:13.420
They said, let's just catch this virus.

2563
02:04:13.420 --> 02:04:16.360
So it's a very unnatural experiment that was going on.

2564
02:04:16.360 --> 02:04:18.670
That has nothing to do with nature. But Disneyland was a

2565
02:04:18.670 --> 02:04:20.350
little bit more natural, which happened in California.

2566
02:04:20.380 --> 02:04:22.060
I just want to run through some stats for you because I

2567
02:04:22.060 --> 02:04:23.830
don't think the whole story is being told.

2568
02:04:23.830 --> 02:04:27.670
This is right from the California CDD Page.

2569
02:04:27.670 --> 02:04:29.650
I just want to point out what they know about this.

2570
02:04:29.680 --> 02:04:32.380
When we look at it, when we look at the age distribution and

2571
02:04:32.380 --> 02:04:35.290
hospitalization status of California measles outbreak cases,

2572
02:04:35.290 --> 02:04:38.830
this is what we know, that 53% of those were adults.

2573
02:04:38.830 --> 02:04:42.640
Now, the film states, even in the trailer and in The

2574
02:04:42.640 --> 02:04:45.940
Hollywood Reporter, that somehow I am causing these

2575
02:04:45.970 --> 02:04:48.580
outbreaks or I'm a great part of our philosophy is.

2576
02:04:48.610 --> 02:04:51.280
But if it's 50% adults, at the very least you have to say

2577
02:04:51.280 --> 02:04:52.660
I've only been here a few years.

2578
02:04:52.660 --> 02:04:54.700
I didn't make these adults not vaccinate.

2579
02:04:54.700 --> 02:04:57.070
But when we go deeper into the data, what we find out is

2580
02:04:57.070 --> 02:04:58.630
many of them were vaccinated.

2581
02:04:58.630 --> 02:05:01.480
when we look at this, we know that 31% were actually

2582
02:05:01.480 --> 02:05:05.950
vaccinated, but there's an additional 38% that they were

2583
02:05:05.950 --> 02:05:08.350
unknown and they all claimed 20 of them claimed 20%.

2584
02:05:08.500 --> 02:05:11.110
Half of them complained, claim to be vaccinated.

2585
02:05:11.110 --> 02:05:12.640
And the other ones weren't sure. We have to assume in that

2586
02:05:12.640 --> 02:05:13.870
age group they probably were.

2587
02:05:13.870 --> 02:05:17.020
So we had about a 50% vaccine failure, which is to your

2588
02:05:17.020 --> 02:05:19.810
point, the vaccine isn't doing the job we thought, which is

2589
02:05:19.810 --> 02:05:22.930
lasting for life. And then lastly, when we look at it, when

2590
02:05:22.930 --> 02:05:26.260
we look at what strains were out there, 30% of the cases in

2591
02:05:26.260 --> 02:05:28.570
California were being caused by the vaccine itself.

2592
02:05:28.570 --> 02:05:29.890
Vaccine strain.

2593
02:05:29.980 --> 02:05:33.310
Yet all of the news is that the anti-vaxxers, the

2594
02:05:33.310 --> 02:05:35.530
unvaccinated babies, are the reason this outbreak is

2595
02:05:35.530 --> 02:05:38.560
happening. I can tell you right there that it's just simply

2596
02:05:38.560 --> 02:05:41.740
not true that you have vaccine failure is a huge part.

2597
02:05:41.770 --> 02:05:45.160
You have the virus being caused by the vaccine is a huge

2598
02:05:45.160 --> 02:05:48.820
part. Now, I'm not saying that they should be blamed more,

2599
02:05:48.820 --> 02:05:52.120
but what I'm saying is the entire conversation is not being

2600
02:05:52.120 --> 02:05:53.260
held in public. And.

2601
02:05:53.300 --> 02:05:56.060
And as you've pointed out, this other perspective.

2602
02:05:56.060 --> 02:05:57.500
Isn't getting a published paper.

2603
02:05:57.620 --> 02:05:58.280
That's published.

2604
02:05:58.280 --> 02:06:00.020
So what do you mean it's not happening in public?

2605
02:06:00.020 --> 02:06:00.710
What do you mean?

2606
02:06:00.830 --> 02:06:03.950
I would just say that that that part of it isn't being stated

2607
02:06:03.950 --> 02:06:06.080
in this documentary. That part of it isn't being stated by

2608
02:06:06.080 --> 02:06:07.610
the news. It's not getting the headlines.

2609
02:06:07.610 --> 02:06:11.420
What's getting the headlines is the the smaller group of the

2610
02:06:11.420 --> 02:06:14.240
unvaccinated individuals, because that gets hyped, that

2611
02:06:14.240 --> 02:06:16.700
sells headlines to your point, but it doesn't actually

2612
02:06:16.700 --> 02:06:19.550
represent the overall problem that if we all sat at the

2613
02:06:19.550 --> 02:06:23.180
table is a much more complex issue we should be discussing

2614
02:06:23.180 --> 02:06:25.160
instead of lopping it all on.

2615
02:06:25.160 --> 02:06:27.290
It's the unvaccinated children that are causing the problem.

2616
02:06:27.290 --> 02:06:30.590
No, actually, the biggest problem, the vaccine program is

2617
02:06:30.590 --> 02:06:33.920
the waning of vaccine immunity, and that is something that

2618
02:06:33.920 --> 02:06:38.570
the public through coronavirus, are only now recognizing in

2619
02:06:38.570 --> 02:06:41.240
a propaganda space, as I would say, that vaccines are safe

2620
02:06:41.240 --> 02:06:44.540
and effective and they always work is falling short of

2621
02:06:44.540 --> 02:06:47.570
actually letting the public know that there are real issues

2622
02:06:47.570 --> 02:06:48.680
inside of this vaccine program.

2623
02:06:48.680 --> 02:06:51.650
Just to be clear. From the papers, I read the statement that

2624
02:06:51.650 --> 02:06:54.650
a vaccine is safe and effective that is always couched in a

2625
02:06:54.650 --> 02:06:58.040
statistical representation of how safe and how effective.

2626
02:06:58.070 --> 02:07:00.200
But it's never presented by the news.

2627
02:07:00.200 --> 02:07:02.360
As you said, this never gets the first paragraph.

2628
02:07:02.360 --> 02:07:04.910
Statistics are are glossed over.

2629
02:07:04.940 --> 02:07:05.360
Correct.

2630
02:07:05.360 --> 02:07:08.960
And so when they say safe, there is no adverse effects in

2631
02:07:08.960 --> 02:07:10.400
some percent of the cases.

2632
02:07:10.400 --> 02:07:12.800
When they say effective, that means it prevents

2633
02:07:12.800 --> 02:07:16.730
hospitalization or recurrence in certain cases and you don't

2634
02:07:16.730 --> 02:07:19.430
always see that. And that really should be part of the

2635
02:07:19.430 --> 02:07:22.280
dialog. But our brains apparently are not wired.

2636
02:07:22.290 --> 02:07:26.180
All I do, all I do is try and bring balance to this world to

2637
02:07:26.180 --> 02:07:28.340
say there is a paragraph that is missing from this

2638
02:07:28.340 --> 02:07:31.730
conversation. That is all I'm doing as I am standing up for

2639
02:07:31.730 --> 02:07:34.700
science and saying I'm not making stuff up, I'm not

2640
02:07:34.700 --> 02:07:37.700
emotionally getting into something, I am stating what are

2641
02:07:37.700 --> 02:07:41.240
the known the data that's being left out of these simplistic

2642
02:07:41.240 --> 02:07:42.830
statements that vaccines are safe and effective?

2643
02:07:42.830 --> 02:07:45.800
Actually, yes, they're safe for most potentially.

2644
02:07:45.800 --> 02:07:48.650
But there is this group that no one wants to talk about that

2645
02:07:48.650 --> 02:07:51.740
are really suffering, can't get any funding to look at what

2646
02:07:51.740 --> 02:07:54.200
they do because we have government agencies.

2647
02:07:54.300 --> 02:07:57.990
We have an agenda to make sure that everyone is inspired to

2648
02:07:57.990 --> 02:08:00.960
take this product that works against admitting we have a

2649
02:08:00.960 --> 02:08:04.200
problem because they're so afraid it's going to undermine

2650
02:08:04.230 --> 02:08:08.820
the uptake of what is, could be considered a very important,

2651
02:08:08.820 --> 02:08:10.080
world measure.

2652
02:08:10.080 --> 02:08:14.910
And I am trying to figure out how we help this outlying

2653
02:08:14.910 --> 02:08:16.800
group that keeps getting ignored.

2654
02:08:16.800 --> 02:08:18.300
So what you do, you talk.

2655
02:08:18.300 --> 02:08:21.600
To you are a media force unto yourself, But you could talk to

2656
02:08:21.600 --> 02:08:24.960
the media and say, when you report that something is safe,

2657
02:08:24.960 --> 02:08:27.360
give the statistics for that every time you utter that

2658
02:08:27.360 --> 02:08:27.810
sentence.

2659
02:08:27.810 --> 02:08:31.020
I have most most the media, most of the media, and I'm going

2660
02:08:31.020 --> 02:08:34.260
to assume this documentary I'm in will not put the stats

2661
02:08:34.260 --> 02:08:36.540
that I just stated will not put in themselves.

2662
02:08:36.540 --> 02:08:40.620
My the stats I want to see there because it has a bias.

2663
02:08:40.620 --> 02:08:42.330
So we're living in a world that has a bias.

2664
02:08:42.360 --> 02:08:45.120
It wants to show that the measles vaccine is great, which

2665
02:08:45.120 --> 02:08:49.800
arguably may be, but not for some people, not for some

2666
02:08:49.950 --> 02:08:50.220
people.

2667
02:08:50.220 --> 02:08:54.330
But you said may be that it is except for some people, rather

2668
02:08:54.330 --> 02:08:56.630
than maybe that's a bias.

2669
02:08:56.660 --> 02:08:58.580
In the very structure of your sentence.

2670
02:08:58.580 --> 02:09:00.650
I will say that we all suffer from bias.

2671
02:09:00.650 --> 02:09:02.030
I'd be the first to admit that.

2672
02:09:02.030 --> 02:09:04.730
Okay. What I'm saying is we need to bring our biases to the

2673
02:09:04.730 --> 02:09:07.880
same table and find a middle ground.

2674
02:09:07.880 --> 02:09:10.220
Now, I want to get back to the social contract thing, which

2675
02:09:10.220 --> 02:09:12.680
you talked about. This is you on Patrick Bet-David

2676
02:09:13.310 --> 02:09:14.570
mentioning the social contract.

2677
02:09:14.780 --> 02:09:15.080
Look at this.

2678
02:09:15.110 --> 02:09:16.640
If you want to get an abortion, get an abortion.

2679
02:09:16.640 --> 02:09:18.440
If I want to get the vaccine, I get to choose.

2680
02:09:18.440 --> 02:09:21.800
So you can't force if I can't force you to get an abortion,

2681
02:09:21.800 --> 02:09:22.910
you shouldn't be able to force me because.

2682
02:09:22.910 --> 02:09:24.050
It's not about you.

2683
02:09:24.050 --> 02:09:26.000
It's about people you interact with.

2684
02:09:26.000 --> 02:09:29.360
And that's the social contract of public health.

2685
02:09:29.390 --> 02:09:32.150
We don't even know if the vaccine worked or not at the time.

2686
02:09:32.150 --> 02:09:34.760
Yes, that's What the trials are, dude.

2687
02:09:34.760 --> 02:09:36.020
That's why these trials.

2688
02:09:36.170 --> 02:09:37.790
Are you missing Data out there?

2689
02:09:37.790 --> 02:09:40.880
But let me ask you a question. Are we saying only one type

2690
02:09:40.880 --> 02:09:42.230
of scientists are right?

2691
02:09:42.260 --> 02:09:45.350
No. We're saying that the system in place, the.

2692
02:09:45.350 --> 02:09:46.820
16,000 that signed that.

2693
02:09:46.820 --> 02:09:51.800
No, no, no. The system in place to test vaccines, there's an

2694
02:09:51.800 --> 02:09:57.270
entire system that's in place that that with review boards

2695
02:09:57.270 --> 02:09:59.670
and all of it and the average that's in place now, you can

2696
02:09:59.670 --> 02:10:04.230
say you can. What you can say is, I have a better idea than

2697
02:10:04.230 --> 02:10:07.170
all these review boards and all these agencies and the CDC.

2698
02:10:07.170 --> 02:10:09.090
I have a better idea. Here's what you should do.

2699
02:10:09.090 --> 02:10:10.920
And that would have made everything better.

2700
02:10:10.920 --> 02:10:14.250
Okay. You can put forth that idea.

2701
02:10:14.250 --> 02:10:18.420
But what I'm saying is, in a case where you can contaminate

2702
02:10:18.420 --> 02:10:20.580
someone else, it's not about you.

2703
02:10:20.580 --> 02:10:23.550
It's about the Collective.

2704
02:10:23.580 --> 02:10:24.690
You're assuming health.

2705
02:10:24.690 --> 02:10:27.480
You're assuming you're assuming because somebody can take the

2706
02:10:27.480 --> 02:10:31.320
vaccine, won't get COVID, which by the way, I don't need to

2707
02:10:31.320 --> 02:10:33.630
play the clips for you to see it where everybody said, Hey,

2708
02:10:33.630 --> 02:10:35.640
if you get it, you're not going to get if you take the

2709
02:10:35.640 --> 02:10:37.470
vaccine, you're not going to get it. Rachel Maddow Joe

2710
02:10:37.470 --> 02:10:39.060
Biden, I can give you Fauci.

2711
02:10:39.060 --> 02:10:41.070
I can give you and you've seen these clips before.

2712
02:10:41.070 --> 02:10:42.210
It's not like you've never seen it before.

2713
02:10:42.360 --> 02:10:43.560
What happened? They were wrong.

2714
02:10:43.830 --> 02:10:44.910
Hold on. So.

2715
02:10:45.540 --> 02:10:50.980
So. This strain evolved.

2716
02:10:51.780 --> 02:10:57.390
Okay. So that the vaccine that prevented you from catching

2717
02:10:57.390 --> 02:11:02.280
COVID was tuned to the variant of COVID at the time the

2718
02:11:02.280 --> 02:11:04.620
vaccine was denied, was designed.

2719
02:11:04.740 --> 02:11:09.990
Okay. Over time, there were variants that arose.

2720
02:11:10.200 --> 02:11:14.130
The vaccine provided partial protection against the new

2721
02:11:14.130 --> 02:11:19.170
variants, enough to keep you from dying statistically and to

2722
02:11:19.170 --> 02:11:21.150
basically keep you out of the hospital.

2723
02:11:21.710 --> 02:11:25.490
So. interesting points.

2724
02:11:25.520 --> 02:11:28.700
Good points. Is there any part of that that that science is

2725
02:11:28.700 --> 02:11:30.620
always shifting? That's January I don't want to hold you to

2726
02:11:30.620 --> 02:11:32.330
it. Is that does that stand up?

2727
02:11:32.360 --> 02:11:34.790
Is that still how you would answer that question?

2728
02:11:34.820 --> 02:11:39.710
What I would say is rolling the clock back to March 2020,

2729
02:11:39.920 --> 02:11:42.770
what should have happened, which is easy Monday morning

2730
02:11:42.770 --> 02:11:45.140
quarterback Just look back at the

2731
02:11:45.170 --> 02:11:47.450
of course that's what. We're all we all have this

2732
02:11:47.480 --> 02:11:49.790
opportunity. I think it's an important time to take this.

2733
02:11:49.790 --> 02:11:53.900
So what should have happened at every step is the CDC comes

2734
02:11:53.900 --> 02:11:57.080
out and says, here is what we know and here are the

2735
02:11:57.080 --> 02:11:58.760
statistics of what we know.

2736
02:11:59.030 --> 02:12:03.410
So that if we are a completely free country and you don't

2737
02:12:03.410 --> 02:12:05.720
you're not concerned about possibly contaminating someone

2738
02:12:05.720 --> 02:12:08.660
else. If you're a carrier, if you're really not concerned,

2739
02:12:08.660 --> 02:12:10.190
you don't care about that.

2740
02:12:10.220 --> 02:12:12.770
You can make a statistical judgment.

2741
02:12:12.770 --> 02:12:15.590
Except we're not really taught statistics anywhere K through

2742
02:12:15.590 --> 02:12:19.310
12. But oh, by the way, we will allow me one conspiracy

2743
02:12:19.310 --> 02:12:19.730
theory.

2744
02:12:19.760 --> 02:12:20.300
Sure.

2745
02:12:20.760 --> 02:12:22.230
I one Okay, you ready?

2746
02:12:22.230 --> 02:12:25.290
Okay. Where does state lottery money go?

2747
02:12:26.040 --> 02:12:27.420
I'm told it goes to school.

2748
02:12:27.420 --> 02:12:28.590
School. Schools and education.

2749
02:12:29.700 --> 02:12:31.500
Let's look at K through 12.

2750
02:12:31.710 --> 02:12:33.420
Do they teach statistics?

2751
02:12:34.380 --> 02:12:35.670
They don't. Okay.

2752
02:12:36.420 --> 02:12:38.070
There's a huge irony there.

2753
02:12:38.850 --> 02:12:39.930
Am I onto something there?

2754
02:12:39.990 --> 02:12:41.610
You're onto something. I think I'm onto something.

2755
02:12:41.610 --> 02:12:42.920
They don't want to teach. Otherwise, no one will.

2756
02:12:42.930 --> 02:12:45.150
No one will play the lottery. Okay, so.

2757
02:12:45.150 --> 02:12:46.640
So at every step.

2758
02:12:46.650 --> 02:12:51.510
Yeah, it's. This is the percentage of people that didn't get

2759
02:12:51.510 --> 02:12:54.270
it. This is the percentage of people that still got COVID.

2760
02:12:54.280 --> 02:12:56.790
Right. And this is a very impressive percent.

2761
02:12:56.820 --> 02:13:00.390
Okay. Right. And then and then you keep moving this down.

2762
02:13:00.510 --> 02:13:04.440
All right. And then we talk about masks and we talk about

2763
02:13:04.440 --> 02:13:07.140
they I mean, this would be then you get the best available

2764
02:13:07.140 --> 02:13:08.910
data as it comes out.

2765
02:13:09.030 --> 02:13:12.690
And so that at any turn, you say because they might not be

2766
02:13:12.690 --> 02:13:15.920
an occasion to duplicate studies and because.

2767
02:13:16.290 --> 02:13:18.660
As you said, we're in a crisis, it's crisis going crisis.

2768
02:13:18.660 --> 02:13:22.920
So so this should be a weekly set of charts that everyone can

2769
02:13:22.920 --> 02:13:24.840
see. Everybody can see. We never saw the charts.

2770
02:13:24.840 --> 02:13:25.860
And I was complaining about

2771
02:13:25.890 --> 02:13:27.160
I don't think anyone made the charts.

2772
02:13:27.160 --> 02:13:28.300
There was there. Were some charts.

2773
02:13:28.300 --> 02:13:29.470
There was charts happening in Israel.

2774
02:13:29.470 --> 02:13:30.630
There's charts happening around the world.

2775
02:13:30.640 --> 02:13:33.030
We were getting charts there just weren't being shown to us.

2776
02:13:33.040 --> 02:13:35.710
Now, what I want to make in this point is you make this

2777
02:13:35.710 --> 02:13:38.470
point about the social contract and and I don't have a lot

2778
02:13:38.470 --> 02:13:41.080
more time with this. We're going to just sort of wrap this

2779
02:13:41.080 --> 02:13:44.740
up in here in saying that,  ultimately this is what we now

2780
02:13:44.740 --> 02:13:47.410
know about. You said they had a system in place.

2781
02:13:47.410 --> 02:13:50.250
They were designed they had the regulatory agencies testing

2782
02:13:50.350 --> 02:13:53.260
all of it. Right. Well, we have Robert Ruse of the European

2783
02:13:53.260 --> 02:13:55.450
Union. I'm not sure if you're wearing this aware of this

2784
02:13:55.450 --> 02:14:00.790
that asked the top executive at Pfizer about the testing of

2785
02:14:00.820 --> 02:14:01.950
does it stop transmission?

2786
02:14:01.960 --> 02:14:04.000
This is this is what she said just recently.

2787
02:14:04.030 --> 02:14:09.640
Was the Pfizer COVID vaccine tested on stopping the

2788
02:14:09.640 --> 02:14:14.110
transmission of the virus before it entered the market.

2789
02:14:15.190 --> 02:14:18.040
If not, please say it clearly.

2790
02:14:18.040 --> 02:14:21.490
If yes, are you willing to share the data with this

2791
02:14:21.490 --> 02:14:25.750
committee? And I really want a straight answer, yes or no.

2792
02:14:25.750 --> 02:14:27.010
And I'm looking forward to it.

2793
02:14:27.010 --> 02:14:28.060
Thank you very much.

2794
02:14:29.940 --> 02:14:33.110
Regarding the question around did we know about stopping

2795
02:14:33.130 --> 02:14:36.060
immunization before it entered the market?

2796
02:14:36.100 --> 02:14:41.850
No. These we had to really move at the speed of science to

2797
02:14:41.850 --> 02:14:44.430
really understand what is taking place in the market.

2798
02:14:44.430 --> 02:14:48.480
And from that point of view, we had to do everything at

2799
02:14:48.480 --> 02:14:49.140
risk.

2800
02:14:49.590 --> 02:14:52.260
This made shocking headlines the world over that they weren't

2801
02:14:52.260 --> 02:14:54.390
actually testing whether the vaccine could stop

2802
02:14:54.390 --> 02:14:58.110
transmission, which I think, now you're asking me to sign a

2803
02:14:58.110 --> 02:15:00.750
social contract based on I'm going to protect my neighbor.

2804
02:15:00.750 --> 02:15:03.780
And we're finding out inside the trials they did no such

2805
02:15:03.780 --> 02:15:05.580
thing. They made no attempt.

2806
02:15:05.580 --> 02:15:10.350
So this 95% was really like a fascination or an assumption

2807
02:15:10.350 --> 02:15:12.240
about some data that they wanted to be true.

2808
02:15:12.240 --> 02:15:15.480
But we didn't actually have testing going on whether to test

2809
02:15:15.510 --> 02:15:16.410
transmission.

2810
02:15:16.410 --> 02:15:17.880
The transmission was different from whether.

2811
02:15:17.880 --> 02:15:19.860
You are affected by it.

2812
02:15:19.860 --> 02:15:20.910
So those are two different.

2813
02:15:20.910 --> 02:15:22.230
They are different. They are different.

2814
02:15:22.350 --> 02:15:24.720
But you're being affected by it is just how sick I'm going

2815
02:15:24.720 --> 02:15:27.780
to get. The social contract can never as far as I'm

2816
02:15:27.780 --> 02:15:30.310
concerned, the United States of America be about my own

2817
02:15:30.310 --> 02:15:32.050
personal health and decision I make for myself.

2818
02:15:32.050 --> 02:15:34.600
If I want to jump out of a plane with a parachute on.

2819
02:15:34.630 --> 02:15:35.950
You don't have to do that.

2820
02:15:35.950 --> 02:15:38.650
But I would do that. The only time a social contract comes

2821
02:15:38.650 --> 02:15:41.710
in place is when I am somehow responsible with what's going

2822
02:15:41.710 --> 02:15:44.350
to happen to you. So to not be testing whether or not I'm

2823
02:15:44.350 --> 02:15:46.960
going to keep from infecting you with this vaccine and then

2824
02:15:46.960 --> 02:15:49.630
going out and telling the world it's 95% effective at

2825
02:15:49.630 --> 02:15:51.460
keeping me from giving it to you.

2826
02:15:51.460 --> 02:15:53.230
I think I don't think that's What they said.

2827
02:15:53.230 --> 02:15:58.120
I thought you just said it's 95% effective of you to not get

2828
02:15:58.120 --> 02:15:58.300
it.

2829
02:15:58.300 --> 02:16:01.020
That's it. then what social contract is there to make?

2830
02:16:01.030 --> 02:16:03.670
If that's all that it is, then what responsibility do I

2831
02:16:03.670 --> 02:16:03.790
have?

2832
02:16:03.790 --> 02:16:05.890
what you can do at that point if we don't otherwise have the

2833
02:16:05.890 --> 02:16:10.810
data, you can say, I don't think I'll ever catch it.

2834
02:16:10.810 --> 02:16:14.530
Even sitting right next to someone who has it, even though

2835
02:16:14.530 --> 02:16:18.130
I'm vaccinated. You could. You could say that, I guess, but.

2836
02:16:18.250 --> 02:16:21.610
Or you could say it's perfectly fine Catching it that I know

2837
02:16:21.610 --> 02:16:25.900
that immunity from infection has throughout history in every

2838
02:16:25.900 --> 02:16:28.780
single circumstance up until this point and is proven to be

2839
02:16:28.780 --> 02:16:29.920
true with the COVID vaccine.

2840
02:16:29.920 --> 02:16:33.280
The natural overcoming the natural infection makes me my

2841
02:16:33.280 --> 02:16:36.730
immunity last longer is more durable, more robust in every

2842
02:16:36.730 --> 02:16:40.570
single there's not a vaccine that has ever outperformed the

2843
02:16:40.570 --> 02:16:41.890
natural immune system.

2844
02:16:41.890 --> 02:16:42.910
I don't know that I can't.

2845
02:16:43.390 --> 02:16:44.950
That is the case. But you can look into it.

2846
02:16:45.130 --> 02:16:47.920
I want to bring up, though, another problem we based all.

2847
02:16:47.920 --> 02:16:50.290
But why are you why are you I'm an astrophysicist.

2848
02:16:50.320 --> 02:16:50.860
Why are you.

2849
02:16:50.860 --> 02:16:53.680
Because you sat you sat for two reasons.

2850
02:16:53.680 --> 02:16:56.560
You're an executive producer on a documentary about me,

2851
02:16:56.560 --> 02:16:59.440
which puts you in this space and you're sitting on podcasts

2852
02:16:59.440 --> 02:17:01.870
and putting out tweets about the science of vaccines.

2853
02:17:01.870 --> 02:17:02.230
Yes.

2854
02:17:02.230 --> 02:17:04.030
you're consensus science.

2855
02:17:04.270 --> 02:17:07.000
But you were just but you are putting yourself forward as

2856
02:17:07.000 --> 02:17:08.680
someone that is knowledgeable in this space.

2857
02:17:08.680 --> 02:17:11.830
I'm putting i'm giving the people who might not otherwise

2858
02:17:11.830 --> 02:17:14.230
have access, access to the consensus.

2859
02:17:14.230 --> 02:17:14.450
Knowledge.

2860
02:17:14.820 --> 02:17:15.970
Of the consensus knowledge.

2861
02:17:15.970 --> 02:17:19.030
And I am simply challenging your understanding or asking,

2862
02:17:19.030 --> 02:17:20.590
how did you get that knowledge?

2863
02:17:20.590 --> 02:17:23.440
Did you read the emergency use authorization put out by the

2864
02:17:23.440 --> 02:17:24.090
FDA?

2865
02:17:24.100 --> 02:17:26.590
I what I know is.

2866
02:17:28.910 --> 02:17:30.560
Contagion. Right.

2867
02:17:30.560 --> 02:17:31.250
So so in other words.

2868
02:17:32.480 --> 02:17:33.500
Can you ask. I just.

2869
02:17:33.620 --> 02:17:36.090
Did you read the emergency use authorization?

2870
02:17:36.090 --> 02:17:37.300
Yes, I did. That The FDA put that

2871
02:17:37.310 --> 02:17:38.470
long ago.

2872
02:17:38.480 --> 02:17:42.410
Yeah. Are you aware that it said we were unable to prove

2873
02:17:42.410 --> 02:17:43.850
whether or not this stops transmission?

2874
02:17:43.850 --> 02:17:46.040
This is what it said. Data are limited to assess the effect

2875
02:17:46.040 --> 02:17:48.110
of the vaccine against transmission of SARS-CoV-2 from

2876
02:17:48.110 --> 02:17:50.810
individuals who are infected despite vaccinations.

2877
02:17:50.810 --> 02:17:53.870
So this idea that you're saying the variant is why.

2878
02:17:54.110 --> 02:17:55.640
But we didn't know why not.

2879
02:17:55.820 --> 02:17:58.130
Okay. So so at that point.

2880
02:17:58.160 --> 02:17:59.720
You're left with some choices.

2881
02:17:59.740 --> 02:18:01.160
You say, well, hold on.

2882
02:18:01.160 --> 02:18:11.050
You can say I will never get the disease at

2883
02:18:11.060 --> 02:18:12.590
any I'm vaccinated.

2884
02:18:12.590 --> 02:18:16.670
Okay. Or sorry if I'm not vaccinated and I can't be

2885
02:18:16.670 --> 02:18:19.940
vaccinated for some other physiological reason.

2886
02:18:19.940 --> 02:18:23.960
Right. And you have COVID.

2887
02:18:25.770 --> 02:18:29.130
I don't want my life put at risk because of you.

2888
02:18:29.160 --> 02:18:30.450
You're allowed to make that decision.

2889
02:18:30.450 --> 02:18:31.050
That is your choice.

2890
02:18:31.320 --> 02:18:35.370
But there are people in society for whom this is the case.

2891
02:18:36.490 --> 02:18:37.260
What is the case?

2892
02:18:37.270 --> 02:18:40.480
The case where I can't be vaccinated because I have some

2893
02:18:40.480 --> 02:18:42.390
preexisting medical condition that prevents you

2894
02:18:42.400 --> 02:18:43.430
Oh, I'm glad you brought that up.

2895
02:18:43.930 --> 02:18:44.580
I'm glad you brought that.

2896
02:18:44.590 --> 02:18:46.420
So now. You.

2897
02:18:46.450 --> 02:18:48.850
And then you spread it to me.

2898
02:18:48.880 --> 02:18:49.090
No,

2899
02:18:49.090 --> 02:18:51.730
Isn't that part of a but here's that part of the social

2900
02:18:51.730 --> 02:18:52.330
contract?

2901
02:18:52.330 --> 02:18:53.740
Well here's I agree.

2902
02:18:53.740 --> 02:18:56.170
I have a problem with what the vaccine actually does.

2903
02:18:56.170 --> 02:18:59.950
What we actually now know it does is it masks your symptoms.

2904
02:18:59.950 --> 02:19:01.990
It takes your symptoms away so that you don't end up in the

2905
02:19:01.990 --> 02:19:03.490
hospital if it's going to do the one thing that they

2906
02:19:03.490 --> 02:19:06.100
promised, it does. So what it actually does is it turns you

2907
02:19:06.100 --> 02:19:08.920
into an asymptomatic carrier where you might be sick and

2908
02:19:08.920 --> 02:19:11.230
stay home and not infect that immune, suppressed child

2909
02:19:11.230 --> 02:19:13.450
that's walking around. You're walking around thinking you're

2910
02:19:13.450 --> 02:19:16.660
perfectly fine. So the vaccine is actually more dangerous

2911
02:19:16.660 --> 02:19:19.420
than the social contract because I am walking around with a

2912
02:19:19.420 --> 02:19:22.090
disease I do not know I have if the if the product does what

2913
02:19:22.090 --> 02:19:25.840
they promise it does, you just turned this person into the

2914
02:19:25.840 --> 02:19:27.640
biggest problem we were all told this was about was

2915
02:19:27.640 --> 02:19:29.110
asymptomatic carriers.

2916
02:19:29.110 --> 02:19:31.930
If it does not stop infection, if it does not stop

2917
02:19:31.930 --> 02:19:34.570
transmission, it only protects me from symptoms.

2918
02:19:34.570 --> 02:19:37.580
I'm actually being turned into a potential killer for that

2919
02:19:37.580 --> 02:19:39.470
immune suppressed person that's walking around out there.

2920
02:19:39.470 --> 02:19:39.860
I don't know.That risk, so I can't.

2921
02:19:39.860 --> 02:19:43.000
And I've been robbed of the only signal I had.

2922
02:19:43.010 --> 02:19:44.960
i don't know that risk, so I can't Comment.

2923
02:19:44.960 --> 02:19:48.380
I don't know the risk of you being asymptomatic and then not

2924
02:19:48.380 --> 02:19:49.730
or transmit it or not.

2925
02:19:49.730 --> 02:19:51.170
I just don't know that risk.

2926
02:19:51.170 --> 02:19:54.440
But you are aware that the reason we're all masking and

2927
02:19:54.440 --> 02:19:57.170
social distancing was there was this problem with the virus

2928
02:19:57.170 --> 02:19:59.210
that I could be walking around. The concern I had, it was a

2929
02:19:59.210 --> 02:20:02.750
concern, right. And we thought the vaccine was going to end

2930
02:20:02.780 --> 02:20:05.240
that. And instead it causes that even deeper.

2931
02:20:05.240 --> 02:20:08.060
So if that was a concern, we don't know at what level.

2932
02:20:08.060 --> 02:20:11.900
We know that was the reason for lockdowns, masks and the

2933
02:20:11.900 --> 02:20:13.100
vaccine ending this thing.

2934
02:20:13.100 --> 02:20:16.520
Okay. You can we can say so much after the fact.

2935
02:20:16.520 --> 02:20:21.470
And I'm saying at the time you want to air, I presume, on

2936
02:20:21.470 --> 02:20:22.490
the side of caution.

2937
02:20:22.490 --> 02:20:24.350
Why not? Why wouldn't you do that?

2938
02:20:25.490 --> 02:20:28.670
Okay. Because we had a product that when we looked at it,

2939
02:20:28.670 --> 02:20:32.090
every animal trial of a coronavirus vaccine for nearly 15

2940
02:20:32.090 --> 02:20:34.010
years since the original coronavirus.

2941
02:20:34.550 --> 02:20:36.620
This I said the world.

2942
02:20:36.620 --> 02:20:38.420
I mean we as the world who's we?

2943
02:20:38.450 --> 02:20:41.420
Pharmaceutical companies around the world are attempting to

2944
02:20:41.420 --> 02:20:44.720
make a product for this virus and having serious problems.

2945
02:20:44.720 --> 02:20:48.140
Animals dying because of antibody dependent enhancement,

2946
02:20:48.140 --> 02:20:51.200
immune enhancement, an issue that even Peter Hotez stated in

2947
02:20:51.200 --> 02:20:53.780
front of our Congress. There's this little pesky problem

2948
02:20:53.780 --> 02:20:56.570
with upper respiratory vaccines that sometimes the vaccine

2949
02:20:56.570 --> 02:21:01.010
enhances the disease and helps the disease kill the person.

2950
02:21:01.010 --> 02:21:04.820
So under those circumstances, on my show, I said that is a

2951
02:21:04.820 --> 02:21:07.280
serious risk. And when I looked at the emergency use

2952
02:21:07.280 --> 02:21:09.800
authorization, they brought up a disease enhancement and

2953
02:21:09.800 --> 02:21:11.600
they said we didn't really look for it in this trial.

2954
02:21:11.600 --> 02:21:13.850
We have no idea of telling you whether or not that could

2955
02:21:13.850 --> 02:21:16.820
happen. So right there is a perfectly good reason why I

2956
02:21:16.820 --> 02:21:18.920
wasn't going to take it. But I want to be clear in this

2957
02:21:18.920 --> 02:21:20.630
social contract, can we bring up Brownstone?

2958
02:21:20.630 --> 02:21:23.720
This is John Ioannidis stats on the actual death rate of

2959
02:21:23.720 --> 02:21:26.690
this virus because it is what defines whether or not we're

2960
02:21:26.690 --> 02:21:29.270
in a social contract is how dangerous is this?

2961
02:21:29.270 --> 02:21:31.160
The Brownstone Institute put up his dad.

2962
02:21:31.190 --> 02:21:33.710
This is what we now know about this virus.

2963
02:21:33.920 --> 02:21:35.390
Ages 60 to 69.

2964
02:21:35.390 --> 02:21:38.720
The fatality rate was half of 1% below that.

2965
02:21:38.720 --> 02:21:41.060
It starts dropping down into zeros.

2966
02:21:41.060 --> 02:21:46.190
When we look at children, 0.0003% is their risk of dying.

2967
02:21:46.190 --> 02:21:49.640
Yet we have a much higher risk of myocarditis, pericarditis,

2968
02:21:49.670 --> 02:21:53.390
all of these things. And so I think science is irresponsible

2969
02:21:53.390 --> 02:21:57.170
if it decides to get not only allow everyone to get a

2970
02:21:57.170 --> 02:22:00.230
product when children and everybody below the age of 40

2971
02:22:00.230 --> 02:22:02.780
probably have no need to get it whatsoever.

2972
02:22:02.840 --> 02:22:04.730
Get what? Get the vaccine.

2973
02:22:04.730 --> 02:22:09.230
No need to get it because their risk is so low that in a low

2974
02:22:09.230 --> 02:22:12.830
risk space, to do scientific studies that show that you have

2975
02:22:12.830 --> 02:22:13.580
an advantage, there would be.

2976
02:22:13.580 --> 02:22:15.710
Very just to be clear When was that study published?

2977
02:22:15.740 --> 02:22:18.090
That study was just published.

2978
02:22:18.090 --> 02:22:21.380
Let me point out that Johnny and needs published in October

2979
02:22:21.380 --> 02:22:24.380
of 2020, 2020.

2980
02:22:24.410 --> 02:22:26.630
He looked at the data from around the world very early

2981
02:22:26.630 --> 02:22:29.660
before the vaccine was here, across 51 locations around the

2982
02:22:29.660 --> 02:22:32.780
world. The median COVID 19 infection infection fatality rate

2983
02:22:32.780 --> 02:22:35.930
appears to be 0.27%.

2984
02:22:36.110 --> 02:22:39.800
He's only off ultimately ends up being about 0.35%.

2985
02:22:39.980 --> 02:22:43.310
And so my question was in the very beginning, that was the

2986
02:22:43.310 --> 02:22:45.830
data we were looking at. We were looking at data and saying

2987
02:22:45.830 --> 02:22:49.700
this is a very low mortality rate except for a very specific

2988
02:22:49.700 --> 02:22:53.810
group of people over the age of 75 that make up about 6% of

2989
02:22:53.810 --> 02:22:54.830
the planet.

2990
02:22:54.830 --> 02:22:59.120
And so your social contract seems to be asking me to take a

2991
02:22:59.120 --> 02:23:02.600
risk with a product that is mRNA has never been really

2992
02:23:02.600 --> 02:23:03.590
injected into human beings.

2993
02:23:03.830 --> 02:23:05.540
Your grandmother is your.

2994
02:23:05.720 --> 02:23:06.110
It is.

2995
02:23:06.500 --> 02:23:08.630
Isn't that your. It is the people you love?

2996
02:23:08.660 --> 02:23:13.340
But should 94% of the planet put themselves at risk with an

2997
02:23:13.340 --> 02:23:16.850
experimental product when they're not even properly testing

2998
02:23:16.850 --> 02:23:19.310
it inside of the trials for the problems that it has or

2999
02:23:19.310 --> 02:23:20.870
whether it can stop transmission keeps you out of the

3000
02:23:20.890 --> 02:23:22.370
whether it can protect my Grandma,

3001
02:23:22.400 --> 02:23:23.810
It matter to you as well.

3002
02:23:23.810 --> 02:23:26.600
You can give this product to my grandma and grandpa if they

3003
02:23:26.600 --> 02:23:28.490
want to take it. It's up to them to take it.

3004
02:23:28.490 --> 02:23:29.300
What I.

3005
02:23:29.330 --> 02:23:30.770
But to keep you out of the hospital.

3006
02:23:30.770 --> 02:23:31.910
You're not a spring chicken.

3007
02:23:32.330 --> 02:23:35.660
I said we can bring it back up at 53 years old.

3008
02:23:35.810 --> 02:23:41.450
I accepted that my risk, I think 0.1%, 10th of 1%, which is

3009
02:23:41.450 --> 02:23:43.070
a flu. That's the same.

3010
02:23:43.220 --> 02:23:45.860
We're in the rates of the flu for for everyone my age

3011
02:23:45.860 --> 02:23:47.440
around, this is just a flu.

3012
02:23:47.450 --> 02:23:49.880
Okay. And that is statistically provable.

3013
02:23:49.910 --> 02:23:50.960
Okay. And was the whole time.

3014
02:23:50.960 --> 02:23:51.640
So here's what you do.

3015
02:23:51.650 --> 02:23:53.220
So why am I going to take a risk?

3016
02:23:53.240 --> 02:23:56.690
Here's what you with a product that we have no idea what the

3017
02:23:56.690 --> 02:23:56.820
long.

3018
02:23:56.870 --> 02:23:57.890
Here's what you need to do.

3019
02:23:57.920 --> 02:23:58.700
Yes.

3020
02:23:58.940 --> 02:24:02.690
You need to have that conversation with a medical

3021
02:24:02.690 --> 02:24:04.880
professional. And not me.

3022
02:24:04.910 --> 02:24:06.110
Let me bring this up.

3023
02:24:06.110 --> 02:24:08.840
There's a list of top ranking medical professionals.

3024
02:24:08.840 --> 02:24:09.620
Just take a look. I'm talking.

3025
02:24:09.620 --> 02:24:10.190
About. Excuse me,

3026
02:24:10.340 --> 02:24:11.630
Doctor Peter McCullough. No, no, no, no.

3027
02:24:11.630 --> 02:24:13.670
I want to go through what a consensus

3028
02:24:13.670 --> 02:24:15.650
this is. This is the problem with the consensus.

3029
02:24:15.650 --> 02:24:16.520
The consensus.

3030
02:24:16.520 --> 02:24:16.770
Okay.

3031
02:24:16.970 --> 02:24:19.150
Medical professionals, I want you to because the medical

3032
02:24:19.150 --> 02:24:22.940
field is so huge, I can find you an astrophysicist who is.

3033
02:24:22.940 --> 02:24:24.450
Sure we've been visited by aliens.

3034
02:24:24.450 --> 02:24:25.080
the problem was,

3035
02:24:25.130 --> 02:24:26.180
that's not the consensus.

3036
02:24:26.180 --> 02:24:27.890
the problem was the scientific method died here.

3037
02:24:27.890 --> 02:24:29.030
And this is the point I want to make.

3038
02:24:29.180 --> 02:24:31.130
My point died a death here.

3039
02:24:31.520 --> 02:24:33.200
And I need you to help me save it.

3040
02:24:33.200 --> 02:24:36.750
Because Doctor Peter McCullough is the leading cardiologist.

3041
02:24:36.900 --> 02:24:38.340
Titles don't matter here.

3042
02:24:38.520 --> 02:24:39.870
But what should matter?

3043
02:24:40.020 --> 02:24:42.420
they don't matter. What matters matter is the consensus.

3044
02:24:42.420 --> 02:24:46.170
What should matter was that the consensus was not allowing to

3045
02:24:46.170 --> 02:24:46.710
the table.

3046
02:24:46.710 --> 02:24:49.560
Then you bring that person here and have this conversation.

3047
02:24:49.560 --> 02:24:50.280
I have had them.

3048
02:24:50.400 --> 02:24:52.860
Okay. So you don't have to have the conversation with me.

3049
02:24:52.860 --> 02:24:55.710
But I want science.

3050
02:24:55.710 --> 02:24:57.300
And so here's what we have.

3051
02:24:57.330 --> 02:25:00.690
We have Peter, we have Peter McCullough, world renowned

3052
02:25:00.720 --> 02:25:04.650
heart doctor, saying I am seeing a rise in myocarditis

3053
02:25:04.650 --> 02:25:05.670
because of this vaccine.

3054
02:25:05.670 --> 02:25:08.910
We have the leading ICU, second most published science.

3055
02:25:09.060 --> 02:25:11.490
Paul Merrick. I'm just hear me out here.

3056
02:25:11.490 --> 02:25:12.930
Hear me out. All right.

3057
02:25:12.960 --> 02:25:14.130
These have all been on my show.

3058
02:25:14.130 --> 02:25:17.400
Doctor Robert Malone, part of the inventing factor behind

3059
02:25:17.400 --> 02:25:19.560
the mRNA vaccine. All these people have been censored.

3060
02:25:19.590 --> 02:25:21.780
They were shut down. They were kept from talking to the

3061
02:25:21.780 --> 02:25:24.840
people in Washington, John Ionnois ere putting out the data

3062
02:25:24.840 --> 02:25:25.350
how were they censored.

3063
02:25:25.380 --> 02:25:26.760
Dr. J. I'll show you.

3064
02:25:26.940 --> 02:25:28.170
Doctor Jay Bhattacharya.

3065
02:25:28.200 --> 02:25:29.310
Doctor Sunetra Gupta.

3066
02:25:29.310 --> 02:25:31.380
Doctor Martin Colder. Oxford University.

3067
02:25:31.380 --> 02:25:32.670
Harvard School of Medicine.

3068
02:25:32.670 --> 02:25:33.990
Stanford School of Medicine.

3069
02:25:33.990 --> 02:25:36.390
They put together the Great Barrington Declaration, which

3070
02:25:36.390 --> 02:25:40.140
was an approach towards this, to say, let's do protect that

3071
02:25:40.140 --> 02:25:44.460
simple small group that we know needs to be protected and

3072
02:25:44.460 --> 02:25:47.040
figure out a way the rest of us can establish a herd

3073
02:25:47.040 --> 02:25:48.090
immunity around them.

3074
02:25:48.090 --> 02:25:50.790
And the NIH, who is supposed to be objective on this?

3075
02:25:50.820 --> 02:25:53.310
We now have internal email because this is what I do.

3076
02:25:53.310 --> 02:25:54.990
I actually put in FOIA requests.

3077
02:25:55.020 --> 02:25:57.240
We know that this is what Francis Collins said about those

3078
02:25:57.240 --> 02:25:58.710
people before even talking to them.

3079
02:25:58.710 --> 02:26:01.740
There needs to be a quick and devastating published takedown

3080
02:26:01.770 --> 02:26:04.200
of the premise being brought by these scientists.

3081
02:26:04.230 --> 02:26:05.820
That was the approach to science.

3082
02:26:05.820 --> 02:26:07.620
No other science can be allowed in here.

3083
02:26:07.620 --> 02:26:11.580
You started this out by saying every challenge should come

3084
02:26:11.580 --> 02:26:14.550
in every way to say that we don't agree with the hypothesis.

3085
02:26:14.550 --> 02:26:16.950
Maybe these people are saying you don't need the vaccine,

3086
02:26:16.950 --> 02:26:19.650
there's a way through this or we should be tactical with the

3087
02:26:19.650 --> 02:26:22.230
vaccine. All of these people were kept out of the

3088
02:26:22.230 --> 02:26:22.920
conversation.

3089
02:26:22.920 --> 02:26:23.600
All I can comment,

3090
02:26:23.610 --> 02:26:26.430
you are wanting me to sign on to a social contract where the

3091
02:26:26.430 --> 02:26:28.500
scientific method isn't being used.

3092
02:26:28.650 --> 02:26:34.050
Okay. That list of highly pedigreed medical professionals

3093
02:26:34.050 --> 02:26:35.700
that you are citing.

3094
02:26:35.700 --> 02:26:38.820
Yeah, I'm not interested in medical pedigree.

3095
02:26:38.820 --> 02:26:41.940
I'm interested in medical consensus, in scientific

3096
02:26:41.940 --> 02:26:45.390
consensus. The moment someone says, Well, I'm of this

3097
02:26:45.660 --> 02:26:48.930
highfalutin school or this, that's like, okay, that means

3098
02:26:48.930 --> 02:26:51.600
I'm going to say something that goes against the consensus.

3099
02:26:51.600 --> 02:26:54.720
And they want to use that to help other people follow what

3100
02:26:54.720 --> 02:26:55.770
it is they say.

3101
02:26:55.920 --> 02:26:59.790
I'm just saying you need someone who represents a medical

3102
02:26:59.790 --> 02:27:03.020
consensus here to have that conversation with.

3103
02:27:03.030 --> 02:27:06.450
We had a medical consensus around a product that we knew

3104
02:27:06.450 --> 02:27:09.180
nothing about and the medical consensus around a virus,

3105
02:27:09.180 --> 02:27:11.210
nothing told us that they knew nothing about that.

3106
02:27:11.250 --> 02:27:13.710
They kept telling us we know very little about it.

3107
02:27:13.710 --> 02:27:17.520
So why was there a medical consensus that was keeping out

3108
02:27:17.550 --> 02:27:20.820
renowned scientists from the conversation when they were

3109
02:27:20.820 --> 02:27:23.280
telling us on television, we don't know a lot about this

3110
02:27:23.280 --> 02:27:24.690
virus. We're trying to figure it out.

3111
02:27:24.690 --> 02:27:27.360
Scientists that were on the ground that were dealing with

3112
02:27:27.360 --> 02:27:29.610
patients were being censored or being shut down.

3113
02:27:29.610 --> 02:27:31.200
Their YouTube channels were being shut down.

3114
02:27:31.200 --> 02:27:32.610
Their LinkedIn's were being shut down

3115
02:27:32.610 --> 02:27:35.850
because the individual scientists does not matter.

3116
02:27:35.850 --> 02:27:39.270
We started this conversation on that very fact

3117
02:27:39.270 --> 02:27:41.940
but that the scientific individual does.

3118
02:27:41.940 --> 02:27:43.440
Yes, of course it does.

3119
02:27:43.470 --> 02:27:47.250
And the scientific method producing a consensus and whatever

3120
02:27:47.250 --> 02:27:48.360
is that consensus.

3121
02:27:48.360 --> 02:27:49.200
All right, then I'll tell you this.

3122
02:27:49.200 --> 02:27:50.280
It's kind of the best you have when.

3123
02:27:50.310 --> 02:27:53.880
I can look, when I can look now in the rear view mirror and

3124
02:27:53.880 --> 02:27:57.210
set it while it was happening, that there is a and by the

3125
02:27:57.210 --> 02:27:59.880
way, all the scientists I just showed proved to be right.

3126
02:27:59.910 --> 02:28:03.210
They told you that this virus that the vaccine would not end

3127
02:28:03.240 --> 02:28:06.690
this and would actually cause an endemic because you've now

3128
02:28:06.720 --> 02:28:09.300
made people that cannot clear this virus and kill it.

3129
02:28:09.300 --> 02:28:10.770
They're all asymptomatic carriers.

3130
02:28:10.770 --> 02:28:12.180
That's all this vaccine keeps doing.

3131
02:28:12.180 --> 02:28:13.800
So now we're stuck with this virus.

3132
02:28:13.800 --> 02:28:16.530
We didn't follow the same path we always have with every

3133
02:28:16.530 --> 02:28:19.410
other illness, like former coronaviruses.

3134
02:28:19.410 --> 02:28:20.880
And most of the time, flus are.

3135
02:28:21.150 --> 02:28:22.340
the death rates are low, the hospitals.

3136
02:28:22.470 --> 02:28:23.070
They were the highest.

3137
02:28:23.760 --> 02:28:25.500
I mean. Things Are

3138
02:28:25.500 --> 02:28:26.730
for now.

3139
02:28:26.730 --> 02:28:29.940
But as you and I both know, these variants continue to be

3140
02:28:29.940 --> 02:28:32.370
out there and we are all worried that there could be a

3141
02:28:32.370 --> 02:28:35.490
variant in the future that could be dangerous, but all that

3142
02:28:35.490 --> 02:28:41.240
being said. In the end, what I am standing for is that there

3143
02:28:41.240 --> 02:28:44.330
is no challenge being allowed that the NIH, when it's

3144
02:28:44.330 --> 02:28:46.730
telling us, is objectively looking at a virus they're

3145
02:28:46.730 --> 02:28:50.930
telling us they don't know much about is pushing out top

3146
02:28:50.930 --> 02:28:53.780
people in their field who are trying to get to the table.

3147
02:28:53.780 --> 02:28:55.760
They're trying to say there's something you're not looking

3148
02:28:55.760 --> 02:28:59.690
at. And this and when you talk about a problem, how about

3149
02:28:59.690 --> 02:29:02.430
not funding to do that study again?

3150
02:29:02.450 --> 02:29:06.920
How about not allowing into the room people with great

3151
02:29:06.920 --> 02:29:10.490
perspective to be a part of the conversation.

3152
02:29:10.490 --> 02:29:15.980
So whatever is the politics that's unfolding in the in the.

3153
02:29:16.760 --> 02:29:21.290
In the rate at which this information is being shared.

3154
02:29:21.290 --> 02:29:23.110
And some you had to go in and dig.

3155
02:29:23.120 --> 02:29:25.430
Okay. Fascinating that that was necessary.

3156
02:29:26.890 --> 02:29:28.300
All I can say is.

3157
02:29:29.140 --> 02:29:32.170
Just because someone this is a more a general truth, not

3158
02:29:32.170 --> 02:29:34.510
specifically here, but and it may apply here, but it's a

3159
02:29:34.510 --> 02:29:39.310
general truth. Just because an expert does not agree with

3160
02:29:39.310 --> 02:29:40.450
the consensus.

3161
02:29:41.000 --> 02:29:43.040
Does not mean the expert is correct.

3162
02:29:43.070 --> 02:29:46.160
True. Okay. I just want to clarify that.

3163
02:29:46.310 --> 02:29:51.110
And there's no greater source of YouTube clickbait than

3164
02:29:51.140 --> 02:29:56.120
someone saying as you go past it, everyone thinks this, but

3165
02:29:56.120 --> 02:30:00.140
if you watch this this video, I will tell you why they're

3166
02:30:00.140 --> 02:30:01.610
all wrong and I'm right.

3167
02:30:01.610 --> 02:30:03.460
All right. That is the clickbait thing.

3168
02:30:03.470 --> 02:30:04.790
Let me point you to the scientists.

3169
02:30:04.790 --> 02:30:07.610
I want Deborah Burks, because this is what she's now saying.

3170
02:30:07.640 --> 02:30:09.500
These are the people we are supposed to trust that you were

3171
02:30:09.500 --> 02:30:11.150
saying were developing this consensus for us.

3172
02:30:11.150 --> 02:30:12.010
This is what Deborah Burks

3173
02:30:12.020 --> 02:30:13.040
again you're giving me individuals

3174
02:30:14.030 --> 02:30:16.640
I knew these vaccines were not going to protect against

3175
02:30:16.640 --> 02:30:19.880
infection and I think we overplayed the vaccines and it made

3176
02:30:19.880 --> 02:30:23.660
people then worry that it's not going to protect against

3177
02:30:23.660 --> 02:30:25.760
severe disease and hospitalization.

3178
02:30:25.910 --> 02:30:28.820
I know that the vaccine wasn't going to stop transmission

3179
02:30:28.820 --> 02:30:31.370
yet. Neil deGrasse Tyson is telling everyone that you need

3180
02:30:31.370 --> 02:30:33.590
to sign a social contract because it's going to keep you

3181
02:30:33.590 --> 02:30:34.670
from infecting each other.

3182
02:30:34.670 --> 02:30:35.990
I knew it never was.

3183
02:30:36.020 --> 02:30:38.750
She's the head of the task force, but we're not letting in

3184
02:30:38.750 --> 02:30:41.610
scientists that are saying honestly in their YouTube

3185
02:30:41.610 --> 02:30:43.800
channels, in their clickbait space, if that's what you call

3186
02:30:43.800 --> 02:30:45.480
it, it's not stopping transmission.

3187
02:30:45.480 --> 02:30:46.920
Here's why we can prove it.

3188
02:30:46.950 --> 02:30:48.700
Shut them down is what is happening.

3189
02:30:48.720 --> 02:30:51.030
The NIH shut those voices down.

3190
02:30:51.030 --> 02:30:54.210
We can't get there to to wrap all this up, I want to get

3191
02:30:54.210 --> 02:30:56.040
back to the point that you so eloquently.

3192
02:30:56.190 --> 02:30:56.590
your veins are coming out of.

3193
02:30:56.610 --> 02:30:58.350
I'm passionate as you.

3194
02:30:58.680 --> 02:30:59.730
I'm passionate as you are.

3195
02:30:59.730 --> 02:31:01.410
And I want to thank you for being here.

3196
02:31:01.410 --> 02:31:04.710
You said we need this new data set to resolve this

3197
02:31:04.710 --> 02:31:07.590
difference. You said in the point where there's a

3198
02:31:07.590 --> 02:31:08.790
disagreement on the.

3199
02:31:09.030 --> 02:31:09.880
On the moving frontier,

3200
02:31:09.900 --> 02:31:11.040
two groups. You need to come together.

3201
02:31:11.070 --> 02:31:11.700
More data. Correct.

3202
02:31:11.700 --> 02:31:13.620
we need this data set.

3203
02:31:13.650 --> 02:31:15.150
Here's how we could get to it.

3204
02:31:15.150 --> 02:31:18.240
I want to wrap this up with the reason I have you here is

3205
02:31:18.240 --> 02:31:21.780
not for some gotcha. And I know that you are super talented

3206
02:31:21.780 --> 02:31:26.370
and I understand you've made very good points here, but we

3207
02:31:26.370 --> 02:31:29.130
have a difference of opinion in a certain space.

3208
02:31:29.130 --> 02:31:32.430
Or maybe we're valuing the weight we give.

3209
02:31:32.430 --> 02:31:36.390
Our two perspectives are askew in some ways.

3210
02:31:36.390 --> 02:31:40.980
I think the film that you are supporting believes that we

3211
02:31:40.980 --> 02:31:44.550
are losing ground on vaccine uptake, which is reported in

3212
02:31:44.550 --> 02:31:49.020
almost every newspaper there is, which means if I'm a part

3213
02:31:49.020 --> 02:31:54.330
of that, the the consensus in humanity is moving my

3214
02:31:54.330 --> 02:31:56.880
direction, which has got to be very alarming.

3215
02:31:56.880 --> 02:32:00.330
And so a film like the one you're involved in is going to

3216
02:32:00.330 --> 02:32:03.300
try and stop that, just as the media I'm doing is trying to

3217
02:32:03.300 --> 02:32:04.650
demand that we all come to the table.

3218
02:32:04.650 --> 02:32:09.000
So here's what the data set I want and here's I really want

3219
02:32:09.000 --> 02:32:13.320
to try and end this civil war that's going on over health.

3220
02:32:13.320 --> 02:32:16.470
I want those that are hurt, that small group, no matter how

3221
02:32:16.470 --> 02:32:19.050
small they are, to be recognized and funded and taken care

3222
02:32:19.050 --> 02:32:20.730
of in science to be done there.

3223
02:32:20.730 --> 02:32:23.610
I want to understand what the size of that group is.

3224
02:32:23.610 --> 02:32:27.540
But it is being commandeered by NIH, who you say is

3225
02:32:27.540 --> 02:32:30.430
objective. But all the reports are saying they received $400

3226
02:32:30.430 --> 02:32:33.480
million to scientists did for their investment in the

3227
02:32:33.480 --> 02:32:36.600
technology of these vaccines, which takes I'm sorry for me.

3228
02:32:36.600 --> 02:32:38.310
I can't believe they're unbiased any longer.

3229
02:32:38.310 --> 02:32:41.640
If I'm making hundreds of millions of dollars, I have skin

3230
02:32:41.640 --> 02:32:43.620
in the game. And you're no longer an agency I can trust,

3231
02:32:43.620 --> 02:32:45.030
which is where all this comes from.

3232
02:32:45.030 --> 02:32:46.980
But if we're to get to a place.

3233
02:32:46.980 --> 02:32:48.390
you do have skin in the game.

3234
02:32:48.720 --> 02:32:49.200
Right

3235
02:32:49.200 --> 02:32:50.010
You do. Personally,

3236
02:32:50.010 --> 02:32:51.060
I do. Personally, yes.

3237
02:32:51.180 --> 02:32:55.170
Okay. So but here we want you and I both want the same

3238
02:32:55.170 --> 02:32:56.460
thing. We want.

3239
02:32:56.490 --> 02:32:57.870
I know. I see your heart.

3240
02:32:57.870 --> 02:32:59.190
I've watched you my whole life.

3241
02:32:59.190 --> 02:33:00.480
You care about children.

3242
02:33:00.480 --> 02:33:01.980
You care about family.

3243
02:33:01.980 --> 02:33:03.720
You care about the future of the species.

3244
02:33:03.720 --> 02:33:06.210
You care about the future of this earth, of civilization, of

3245
02:33:06.210 --> 02:33:08.520
civilization. We share that together.

3246
02:33:08.520 --> 02:33:12.000
I am deeply concerned that rushing science and with

3247
02:33:12.000 --> 02:33:14.820
scientists that can be biased, that aren't being challenged

3248
02:33:14.820 --> 02:33:17.160
properly, that a product handed to everybody.

3249
02:33:17.160 --> 02:33:18.420
We could have a thalidomide.

3250
02:33:18.450 --> 02:33:21.180
We could. We have seen in science a product that gets out in

3251
02:33:21.180 --> 02:33:24.180
the market, a Vioxx or something that could be devastating

3252
02:33:24.210 --> 02:33:27.270
to the species. So I'm trying to say, how can we do science

3253
02:33:27.270 --> 02:33:28.920
better and how do we know what's going on here?

3254
02:33:28.920 --> 02:33:30.330
Measles, all of it.

3255
02:33:30.360 --> 02:33:31.680
Here's the answer.

3256
02:33:31.710 --> 02:33:34.590
We are simply asking for a data set.

3257
02:33:34.590 --> 02:33:39.030
That could be me and Robert Kennedy Jr and this minority

3258
02:33:39.060 --> 02:33:43.020
group that has grown to be roughly 30% at least of America,

3259
02:33:43.020 --> 02:33:45.750
moving towards 50 in a very fast way.

3260
02:33:45.750 --> 02:33:48.840
When you look at the uptake of the current booster shot,

3261
02:33:48.870 --> 02:33:51.450
it's somewhere in the neighborhood of 10%, which means even

3262
02:33:51.450 --> 02:33:53.640
those that believe in this vaccine are backing away from it.

3263
02:33:53.670 --> 02:33:55.410
No longer going with CDC recommendation.

3264
02:33:55.410 --> 02:34:00.030
Cdc is on a downward spiral, which is scary for all of us.

3265
02:34:00.990 --> 02:34:04.890
The study that needs to be done is a comparative study.

3266
02:34:04.920 --> 02:34:08.040
You could throw your measles and the safety of measles and

3267
02:34:08.040 --> 02:34:10.080
whether it causes autism studies on the table.

3268
02:34:10.080 --> 02:34:12.840
And I could show very robust studies that show the exact

3269
02:34:12.840 --> 02:34:13.020
opposite.

3270
02:34:13.020 --> 02:34:14.220
You wouldn't show a consensus,

3271
02:34:14.250 --> 02:34:14.490
huh?

3272
02:34:14.520 --> 02:34:15.950
You wouldn't show a consensus.

3273
02:34:15.960 --> 02:34:18.300
I don't care about the consensus.

3274
02:34:18.300 --> 02:34:18.750
You have to.

3275
02:34:18.750 --> 02:34:19.440
Because

3276
02:34:19.470 --> 02:34:25.110
otherwise the tentacles that reach into all manner of the

3277
02:34:25.110 --> 02:34:29.370
space time continuum, I can land in any possible place.

3278
02:34:29.370 --> 02:34:33.780
The consensus is only concerned with the larger, greater good

3279
02:34:33.780 --> 02:34:35.010
and body of people.

3280
02:34:35.040 --> 02:34:38.430
But what it doesn't understand is how big the group that are

3281
02:34:38.430 --> 02:34:40.770
being injured and hurt and destroyed by this are.

3282
02:34:40.770 --> 02:34:43.050
And they're refusing to do that science because it

3283
02:34:43.050 --> 02:34:46.380
undermines the statement that is being said that across the

3284
02:34:46.380 --> 02:34:47.760
board these are just safe and effective

3285
02:34:47.760 --> 02:34:50.040
and that is irresistible clickbait.

3286
02:34:51.330 --> 02:34:52.110
What is.

3287
02:34:52.900 --> 02:34:54.670
What you just said and how you said it.

3288
02:34:54.670 --> 02:34:56.320
I just want to. Put that out there.

3289
02:34:56.320 --> 02:34:58.140
And that's irresistible.

3290
02:34:58.300 --> 02:34:59.850
Millions of people watch.

3291
02:34:59.860 --> 02:35:03.100
the entire system is fooling you.

3292
02:35:03.100 --> 02:35:04.510
And I have the truth.

3293
02:35:04.510 --> 02:35:05.920
But it's true.

3294
02:35:06.050 --> 02:35:06.550
But it's true.

3295
02:35:06.790 --> 02:35:07.640
That's what I just said.

3296
02:35:07.840 --> 02:35:10.840
It is there. Are you saying there is not a group of people

3297
02:35:10.840 --> 02:35:12.070
that are being injured by these products?

3298
02:35:12.550 --> 02:35:17.830
I'm saying that if what we need is honest.

3299
02:35:18.550 --> 02:35:21.120
Honest if I use the word evolution in this context,

3300
02:35:21.130 --> 02:35:25.510
evolution of the statistics represented by studies so that

3301
02:35:25.510 --> 02:35:28.540
everyone can make the best decision they can in the interest

3302
02:35:28.540 --> 02:35:28.860
of their health.

3303
02:35:28.960 --> 02:35:30.300
okay heres the study I want .

3304
02:35:30.300 --> 02:35:32.410
you didn't really answer my question, which is do you believe

3305
02:35:32.410 --> 02:35:34.090
people are injured by this product?

3306
02:35:34.740 --> 02:35:35.670
By what product?

3307
02:35:35.670 --> 02:35:37.560
By any pharmaceutical product.

3308
02:35:37.590 --> 02:35:38.920
Vaccines included.

3309
02:35:38.940 --> 02:35:40.570
All medicines have side effects.

3310
02:35:40.590 --> 02:35:41.130
Exactly right.

3311
02:35:41.130 --> 02:35:42.930
Yeah. One day be nice when it's.

3312
02:35:43.080 --> 02:35:44.700
It's tailored to your DNA.

3313
02:35:44.730 --> 02:35:46.560
I don't see how we don't have that there.

3314
02:35:46.560 --> 02:35:48.930
I don't see how we get there. If the people that stand for

3315
02:35:48.930 --> 02:35:51.810
the smaller group that are being injured are ignored and

3316
02:35:51.810 --> 02:35:54.840
said to be dangerous to the planet, dangerous to the species

3317
02:35:54.840 --> 02:35:57.450
for stating that we should be studying this people and

3318
02:35:57.450 --> 02:35:59.010
figuring out how we can stop injuring them.

3319
02:35:59.010 --> 02:36:01.230
That's all I'm doing if I'm trying to figure out how to stop

3320
02:36:01.230 --> 02:36:01.890
injuring them.

3321
02:36:01.890 --> 02:36:06.840
But if you have not identified, if you've misidentified

3322
02:36:06.840 --> 02:36:08.880
what's injuring them, that's dangerous.

3323
02:36:09.120 --> 02:36:12.540
Studies have to be done to determine whether or not I am sure

3324
02:36:12.540 --> 02:36:13.980
and whether or not the scientists around are.

3325
02:36:13.980 --> 02:36:15.090
So here's the study we should do.

3326
02:36:15.120 --> 02:36:18.390
Sure. And the common ground that I'd like to find and I

3327
02:36:18.390 --> 02:36:21.390
would hope you would help me with this we sit on large the

3328
02:36:21.390 --> 02:36:22.620
CDC this week. Okay.

3329
02:36:22.650 --> 02:36:27.060
Cdc sits on a database called the VSD has nearly 10 million

3330
02:36:27.060 --> 02:36:29.540
people in it. Their personal identification is scrubbed.

3331
02:36:29.580 --> 02:36:30.810
It's where all the studies are done.

3332
02:36:30.840 --> 02:36:34.440
The Institute of Medicine study that that data set and said

3333
02:36:34.540 --> 02:36:37.210
that you have tens of thousands of unvaccinated individuals

3334
02:36:37.210 --> 02:36:40.480
in there. You could do a very powerful, statistically

3335
02:36:40.480 --> 02:36:43.870
powerful study comparing the vaccinated to the completely

3336
02:36:43.870 --> 02:36:46.120
unvaccinated. I ask simple Question,

3337
02:36:46.120 --> 02:36:47.170
Write the proposal to do it.

3338
02:36:47.200 --> 02:36:47.860
We have

3339
02:36:47.860 --> 02:36:48.210
okay.

3340
02:36:48.220 --> 02:36:49.390
NIH denies us.

3341
02:36:49.420 --> 02:36:52.210
In fact, Bobby Kennedy and I was a peer reviewed Bobby

3342
02:36:52.210 --> 02:36:55.420
Kennedy. I sat in front of the NIH in front of Francis

3343
02:36:55.420 --> 02:36:59.380
Collins, Tony Fauci, and we said, why will you not do a

3344
02:36:59.380 --> 02:37:00.640
prospective study?

3345
02:37:00.640 --> 02:37:01.990
Was it peer reviewed then?

3346
02:37:02.260 --> 02:37:03.820
I didn't say we did. This was what.

3347
02:37:03.840 --> 02:37:06.340
proposals are peer reviewed as well.

3348
02:37:06.340 --> 02:37:09.190
There there is a proposal drawn up that was peer reviewed by

3349
02:37:09.190 --> 02:37:12.010
the Institute of Medicine, and the CDC did a study how they

3350
02:37:12.010 --> 02:37:13.120
would do the study.

3351
02:37:13.120 --> 02:37:14.080
And that has been.

3352
02:37:14.290 --> 02:37:15.160
Typically when a proposal.

3353
02:37:15.160 --> 02:37:16.360
We're asking them to do that study,

3354
02:37:16.360 --> 02:37:19.510
when a proposal is declined, there's usually a report,

3355
02:37:19.630 --> 02:37:21.940
adjacent to it and says, says why?

3356
02:37:22.540 --> 02:37:24.880
The CDC has written itself on how to do that study.

3357
02:37:24.880 --> 02:37:28.180
We said, do the study that you designed, the proposal in

3358
02:37:28.180 --> 02:37:30.700
which it could be done. You know what they said to us, We

3359
02:37:30.700 --> 02:37:31.930
will never do that study.

3360
02:37:32.200 --> 02:37:34.510
They would presumably give reasons for that.

3361
02:37:34.660 --> 02:37:37.960
That they can't figure out a way to do that study.

3362
02:37:37.960 --> 02:37:41.660
Okay. That's I think that's unacceptable.

3363
02:37:41.960 --> 02:37:45.860
I think that a comparative study is especially when I have

3364
02:37:45.890 --> 02:37:46.010
this.

3365
02:37:46.010 --> 02:37:47.630
Thing, it's not practical. Are they saying?

3366
02:37:47.630 --> 02:37:51.410
They would say and being perfectly honest here, they would

3367
02:37:51.410 --> 02:37:55.580
say there are confounding issues of the unvaccinated that we

3368
02:37:55.580 --> 02:37:58.160
have not figured out how to sift through.

3369
02:37:58.160 --> 02:38:01.430
That says to me, if I was going to judge that, that they

3370
02:38:01.430 --> 02:38:04.700
have attempted to do this study and that the unvaccinated do

3371
02:38:04.700 --> 02:38:08.120
many things that make them healthier, I'm going to guess

3372
02:38:08.120 --> 02:38:10.160
because I'm assuming the reason they're not putting out the

3373
02:38:10.160 --> 02:38:12.830
results of this study because and why they know there's

3374
02:38:12.830 --> 02:38:16.250
confounding issues is that these unvaccinated people are

3375
02:38:16.250 --> 02:38:17.750
coming out healthier in the study.

3376
02:38:17.750 --> 02:38:19.430
So they're showing to be healthier across,

3377
02:38:19.490 --> 02:38:21.110
presuming there's some kind of cover up.

3378
02:38:21.140 --> 02:38:22.030
Autism less.

3379
02:38:22.040 --> 02:38:22.940
You're accusing a cover up.

3380
02:38:22.940 --> 02:38:27.230
I think when your government believes that the future of the

3381
02:38:27.230 --> 02:38:30.710
species and people like you that don't only care about the

3382
02:38:30.710 --> 02:38:33.240
consensus and holding on that we all believe in scientific

3383
02:38:33.240 --> 02:38:35.990
consensus, consensus that it holds a bias that is

3384
02:38:35.990 --> 02:38:38.570
insurmountable in this current moment.

3385
02:38:38.570 --> 02:38:42.600
And that I believe these people are talented enough to

3386
02:38:42.600 --> 02:38:46.770
figure out. Confounding issues exist in every epidemiologic

3387
02:38:46.770 --> 02:38:47.940
study that's ever done,

3388
02:38:47.940 --> 02:38:53.700
so either They couldn't convince peers or there's some

3389
02:38:54.060 --> 02:38:57.720
diabolical force operating to prevent this from getting

3390
02:38:57.720 --> 02:39:00.270
known. One of those two is true here.

3391
02:39:00.420 --> 02:39:02.130
True. Okay, True.

3392
02:39:02.370 --> 02:39:07.350
And given that science can find things floating out in the

3393
02:39:07.350 --> 02:39:08.640
Outer Banks, we do it.

3394
02:39:08.640 --> 02:39:09.510
All the time.

3395
02:39:09.510 --> 02:39:10.890
I have to believe.

3396
02:39:10.920 --> 02:39:12.480
And and it's easier.

3397
02:39:12.480 --> 02:39:13.470
Under the assumption

3398
02:39:13.470 --> 02:39:17.580
because humans people are not involved in the statistics of t

3399
02:39:17.610 --> 02:39:17.850
hat,

3400
02:39:17.850 --> 02:39:20.190
that the NIH has the best scientists in the world.

3401
02:39:20.190 --> 02:39:24.900
And the CDC and Tony Fauci these people that many revere, I

3402
02:39:24.900 --> 02:39:26.640
think they're talented enough to work through these

3403
02:39:26.640 --> 02:39:27.960
confounding issues.

3404
02:39:27.960 --> 02:39:31.710
I have to believe, and by the way, are statements by

3405
02:39:31.710 --> 02:39:34.770
Bernadine Healy, former head of the NIH, that said, I was

3406
02:39:34.770 --> 02:39:37.440
shocked to find how little research and studies are being

3407
02:39:37.440 --> 02:39:41.600
done around this small cohort that are getting autism,

3408
02:39:41.600 --> 02:39:44.630
things like that. Because as I found let me just finish.

3409
02:39:44.780 --> 02:39:49.190
I'm paraphrasing, but because we are so afraid that doing a

3410
02:39:49.190 --> 02:39:53.360
study that shows any injury or any ability for a vaccine to

3411
02:39:53.360 --> 02:39:56.510
cause autism, no matter how small it would be, would

3412
02:39:56.510 --> 02:39:59.090
undermine the vaccine program completely.

3413
02:39:59.090 --> 02:40:01.010
That is not bad people.

3414
02:40:01.010 --> 02:40:03.200
I believe that is what is holding this all hostage.

3415
02:40:03.200 --> 02:40:06.230
So you need to have this conversation with a medical

3416
02:40:06.230 --> 02:40:09.680
professional from the consensus, not with an astrophysicist.

3417
02:40:09.680 --> 02:40:13.940
I'm asking you as the voice of science.

3418
02:40:13.940 --> 02:40:16.640
And you and I both know that this comes down to celebrity in

3419
02:40:16.640 --> 02:40:19.070
many cases more than it does to the actual science.

3420
02:40:19.070 --> 02:40:20.780
They will. Sadly, yes.

3421
02:40:21.050 --> 02:40:22.970
Sadly, they will not.

3422
02:40:22.970 --> 02:40:29.150
If you really this is my my, my plea to you, if you would

3423
02:40:29.150 --> 02:40:32.690
help us because you're trusted and you're known to be

3424
02:40:32.690 --> 02:40:34.790
unbiased, at least in this perspective.

3425
02:40:34.790 --> 02:40:37.370
And by the way, ironically, when we were trying to think of

3426
02:40:37.400 --> 02:40:40.460
who could host a debate between both sides, you were my top

3427
02:40:40.560 --> 02:40:42.810
pick. I said, I think Neil deGrasse Tyson would ask all the

3428
02:40:42.810 --> 02:40:44.010
right questions on both sides.

3429
02:40:44.010 --> 02:40:45.450
I don't debate. That's not a thing.

3430
02:40:45.450 --> 02:40:46.080
But I'm not saying.

3431
02:40:46.080 --> 02:40:48.030
But to host it, to actually moderate,

3432
02:40:48.150 --> 02:40:48.930
Moderate to moderate,

3433
02:40:48.930 --> 02:40:50.490
I think you'd be spectacular at that.

3434
02:40:50.670 --> 02:40:55.620
But what I'm asking is we could end this war forever if

3435
02:40:55.620 --> 02:40:59.610
someone could produce a study using all the great databases

3436
02:40:59.610 --> 02:41:01.680
of the world, all the scientific minds in the world.

3437
02:41:01.680 --> 02:41:05.310
If vaccines are great, just simply show us a study in a

3438
02:41:05.310 --> 02:41:08.730
database where you get three scientists from the pro side,

3439
02:41:08.730 --> 02:41:12.420
we get three scientists from the anti side, and we come to

3440
02:41:12.460 --> 02:41:14.340
have a proposal together.

3441
02:41:14.340 --> 02:41:18.510
I have a different idea. You come out with a set of research

3442
02:41:18.510 --> 02:41:21.420
projects that you would like to see done that would make you

3443
02:41:21.450 --> 02:41:22.890
happy. Just do that.

3444
02:41:22.890 --> 02:41:24.390
And make that public.

3445
02:41:24.600 --> 02:41:25.770
Will you help me make that public?

3446
02:41:25.770 --> 02:41:27.270
No, I can't. I'm not a medical professional.

3447
02:41:27.270 --> 02:41:28.460
I don't I don't want to step

3448
02:41:28.470 --> 02:41:30.630
But you state medical statements freely.

3449
02:41:30.660 --> 02:41:32.900
Repeating other people's repeating.

3450
02:41:32.910 --> 02:41:33.990
Repeating the consensus.

3451
02:41:33.990 --> 02:41:37.950
Right. I'm not stepping out with some idea that I generated

3452
02:41:37.950 --> 02:41:39.780
in my own lab. No, no.

3453
02:41:39.780 --> 02:41:41.400
I'm a consensus scientist,

3454
02:41:41.400 --> 02:41:42.570
but there's a data set your looking for.

3455
02:41:42.570 --> 02:41:47.610
So what you do is make a list of experiments and observations

3456
02:41:47.610 --> 02:41:48.960
you would like to see conducted.

3457
02:41:48.960 --> 02:41:50.940
Maybe some of them have already been done and you don't know

3458
02:41:50.940 --> 02:41:52.590
it, and someone will reveal that to you.

3459
02:41:52.590 --> 02:41:55.680
I've sued the CDC and had them hand me everything.

3460
02:41:55.680 --> 02:41:58.140
They just do that and put it out

3461
02:41:58.140 --> 02:41:59.220
It's out there. That's what my show is.

3462
02:41:59.220 --> 02:41:59.550
Okay.

3463
02:41:59.550 --> 02:42:01.710
And and that is what your documentary is about, is I'm so

3464
02:42:01.710 --> 02:42:04.650
successful at putting it out there that we are growing by

3465
02:42:04.650 --> 02:42:07.290
millions and millions. And I believe that we will become the

3466
02:42:07.290 --> 02:42:10.440
majority voice in the world if someone in science, if they

3467
02:42:10.440 --> 02:42:13.350
keep trying to say, we're just going to ignore you, then we

3468
02:42:13.350 --> 02:42:14.730
are all going to be in a real problem.

3469
02:42:14.730 --> 02:42:15.780
We're going to be in a real problem.

3470
02:42:15.780 --> 02:42:19.500
Because I will tell you this, I never set out my goal is not

3471
02:42:19.500 --> 02:42:21.330
to wipe vaccines off the planet.

3472
02:42:21.330 --> 02:42:24.930
My goal is always been to stand for choice, that I don't

3473
02:42:24.930 --> 02:42:28.170
believe that a social contract should force me to take an

3474
02:42:28.170 --> 02:42:29.850
experimental product. It just can't.

3475
02:42:29.880 --> 02:42:32.820
It can offer it to me, but it can't force it upon me because

3476
02:42:32.820 --> 02:42:34.170
all the dangers that lie ahead.

3477
02:42:34.170 --> 02:42:36.600
And I could do a whole other show with you on all the now

3478
02:42:36.600 --> 02:42:39.090
known dangers of this vaccine that we definitely know.

3479
02:42:39.100 --> 02:42:41.920
Now that maybe we didn't know before, but some of the animal

3480
02:42:41.920 --> 02:42:46.540
trials were alluding to, blood clots and thrombosis.

3481
02:42:46.630 --> 02:42:51.100
Just a question. Is there a threshold of lethality of a virus

3482
02:42:51.100 --> 02:42:55.930
where you and a contagion of a virus where you where you

3483
02:42:55.930 --> 02:42:59.050
would say, yes, yes, this should be forced on everyone in a

3484
02:42:59.050 --> 02:43:02.800
social contract?Does such a rather forced in such a way

3485
02:43:02.800 --> 02:43:05.470
where if you don't do it, you are denied certain freedoms

3486
02:43:05.470 --> 02:43:06.160
within the system?

3487
02:43:06.160 --> 02:43:08.680
I would say I would be open to that conversation.

3488
02:43:08.680 --> 02:43:10.600
And one of the questions I've had from the beginning when

3489
02:43:10.600 --> 02:43:14.080
Tony Fauci was saying we have to force this is what

3490
02:43:14.080 --> 02:43:17.800
percentage death rate, What is that threshold in which we

3491
02:43:17.800 --> 02:43:21.280
hand over our civil liberties, our right to body autonomy?

3492
02:43:21.550 --> 02:43:22.690
And no one has ever answered that.

3493
02:43:22.840 --> 02:43:26.050
And frankly, it appears we've done it for about 0.35%, which

3494
02:43:26.050 --> 02:43:28.060
is right in line with the flu. We just did that.

3495
02:43:28.060 --> 02:43:31.390
Our president forced this product on people at a less than

3496
02:43:31.390 --> 02:43:33.190
1% death rate.

3497
02:43:33.430 --> 02:43:36.610
And now that that to me is far below what would be the

3498
02:43:36.820 --> 02:43:40.010
threshold for me Now, for me, I don't know what it would be,

3499
02:43:40.010 --> 02:43:43.250
but I've said this have Ebola sweeping the country and

3500
02:43:43.250 --> 02:43:45.350
people have blood coming out of their eyes.

3501
02:43:45.380 --> 02:43:47.060
And there's an experimental product.

3502
02:43:47.060 --> 02:43:50.570
I will probably most likely always stand for choice.

3503
02:43:50.570 --> 02:43:51.130
So there's.

3504
02:43:51.320 --> 02:43:52.010
Because.

3505
02:43:52.010 --> 02:43:52.260
Okay.

3506
02:43:52.340 --> 02:43:53.330
Because even.

3507
02:43:53.330 --> 02:43:55.550
If blood is coming out of everybody's eyes, because you can

3508
02:43:55.550 --> 02:43:56.240
catch it from someone else.

3509
02:43:56.240 --> 02:43:57.800
if you want to take that risk.

3510
02:43:57.830 --> 02:44:00.470
And the vaccine does what it says it does, if the vaccine

3511
02:44:00.470 --> 02:44:01.820
works, it's going to protect you.

3512
02:44:01.820 --> 02:44:04.580
In this case, the vaccine it protects know, it protects did

3513
02:44:04.580 --> 02:44:05.240
it didn't protect.

3514
02:44:05.400 --> 02:44:06.920
According to a statistical.

3515
02:44:06.920 --> 02:44:09.170
But it didn't even do that because they didn't even they just

3516
02:44:09.170 --> 02:44:11.480
they just told you, Neil, they never even attempted to

3517
02:44:11.480 --> 02:44:12.950
achieve some statistical point.

3518
02:44:12.980 --> 02:44:15.380
They lied to us. They never tested whether it was going to

3519
02:44:15.380 --> 02:44:16.400
keep me from infecting you.

3520
02:44:16.400 --> 02:44:18.560
They just we were moving at the speed of science.

3521
02:44:18.560 --> 02:44:21.500
I'm saying that is I'm glad I didn't sign that social

3522
02:44:22.070 --> 02:44:24.530
contract and I will not trust people.

3523
02:44:24.650 --> 02:44:26.120
Is there a limit where you would.

3524
02:44:26.120 --> 02:44:29.450
I would say that most likely there is.

3525
02:44:29.450 --> 02:44:29.870
Okay.

3526
02:44:30.020 --> 02:44:31.580
And I'd have to be facing that.

3527
02:44:32.000 --> 02:44:32.810
And we just.

3528
02:44:33.110 --> 02:44:35.960
But according to you, we haven't hit none of the I tell.

3529
02:44:36.980 --> 02:44:37.300
right.

3530
02:44:37.370 --> 02:44:39.380
This did not come anywhere close.

3531
02:44:39.380 --> 02:44:39.740
Okay.

3532
02:44:39.740 --> 02:44:41.540
Didn't come anywhere close. But there is a line.

3533
02:44:41.540 --> 02:44:42.440
But I would say.

3534
02:44:42.440 --> 02:44:43.610
We will come back to you when if we ever hit that line.

3535
02:44:43.880 --> 02:44:45.680
It has to be weighed. What the problem is, it has to be

3536
02:44:45.680 --> 02:44:47.480
weighed with the dangers of the vaccine, of course.

3537
02:44:47.480 --> 02:44:50.300
And I believe I actually believe that we are seeing a rise

3538
02:44:50.300 --> 02:44:53.000
in all cause mortality around the world, that many studies

3539
02:44:53.000 --> 02:44:55.640
are now showing the more vaccinated a country was, the

3540
02:44:55.640 --> 02:44:57.350
higher their excess mortality Now.

3541
02:44:57.350 --> 02:45:00.320
So we may retrospectively look back and find out that this

3542
02:45:00.320 --> 02:45:02.150
vaccine was more deadly than the virus ever was.

3543
02:45:02.150 --> 02:45:05.270
That's still holds out for our reference to this.

3544
02:45:05.270 --> 02:45:09.200
And then armchair quarterback, we will decide who was glad

3545
02:45:09.260 --> 02:45:14.390
Monday on Monday quarterback we will decide who was glad

3546
02:45:14.390 --> 02:45:16.340
they signed on to the social contract.

3547
02:45:16.370 --> 02:45:19.670
I do not believe that things can be mandated on me,

3548
02:45:19.670 --> 02:45:21.590
especially here's my problem.

3549
02:45:21.590 --> 02:45:24.110
I cannot trust science and my audience will not trust

3550
02:45:24.110 --> 02:45:27.980
science that continues to say we will not let top officials

3551
02:45:27.980 --> 02:45:30.320
at the table that have now proven to be right.

3552
02:45:30.320 --> 02:45:32.630
When we see emails that said just keep them out of the room

3553
02:45:32.630 --> 02:45:34.880
and they are the ones that ended up being right about this

3554
02:45:34.880 --> 02:45:38.390
virus. I will not trust the head task force when they come

3555
02:45:38.390 --> 02:45:40.610
forward and say I always knew it wouldn't stop transmission,

3556
02:45:40.640 --> 02:45:43.910
even though I and you and Neil deGrasse Tyson were telling

3557
02:45:43.910 --> 02:45:45.770
you, get it to protect each other.

3558
02:45:45.770 --> 02:45:47.300
I always knew it never could do that.

3559
02:45:47.300 --> 02:45:49.340
So we're going to have a hard time getting back to a place

3560
02:45:49.340 --> 02:45:53.090
of trust. What we need now is a regulatory agency and people

3561
02:45:53.090 --> 02:45:56.990
in charge that get back to actually listening to, as you

3562
02:45:56.990 --> 02:45:59.540
said, those people that are challenging this from all sides.

3563
02:45:59.540 --> 02:46:02.180
The challenge has to be allowed into the room and it's not.

3564
02:46:02.180 --> 02:46:03.740
Science is dead in my mind.

3565
02:46:03.770 --> 02:46:05.420
The scientific method is dead.

3566
02:46:05.420 --> 02:46:08.810
And I think the coronavirus experiment proves that we are in

3567
02:46:08.910 --> 02:46:11.480
a terrifying moment of science.

3568
02:46:11.480 --> 02:46:14.120
And I reach out to you to think about what we've said here

3569
02:46:14.120 --> 02:46:16.340
today and say, is he right?

3570
02:46:16.370 --> 02:46:18.470
Did the scientific method take place?

3571
02:46:18.500 --> 02:46:21.140
Is it taking place now retrospectively, even if you want to

3572
02:46:21.140 --> 02:46:22.190
argue in an emergency?

3573
02:46:22.190 --> 02:46:24.170
We made decisions and we rush things.

3574
02:46:24.170 --> 02:46:27.590
Why is Peter McCullough and why is Robert Malone and the

3575
02:46:27.590 --> 02:46:31.400
people that were right, why are they not at the table now?

3576
02:46:32.170 --> 02:46:33.660
I cannot answer that.

3577
02:46:33.670 --> 02:46:34.150
Okay.

3578
02:46:34.630 --> 02:46:39.130
But what I can say is what I don't hear you doing or others

3579
02:46:39.130 --> 02:46:42.040
in this space is asking themselves.

3580
02:46:42.310 --> 02:46:44.680
I suppose there was never.

3581
02:46:46.570 --> 02:46:48.420
A vaccine.

3582
02:46:48.430 --> 02:46:51.370
We never came up with a vaccine to COVID.

3583
02:46:53.980 --> 02:46:55.600
What would the world look like today?

3584
02:46:56.530 --> 02:46:58.780
I don't hear people asking that question.

3585
02:46:58.780 --> 02:47:00.400
How many people would be dead?

3586
02:47:00.430 --> 02:47:01.990
How overrun with the.

3587
02:47:02.290 --> 02:47:04.450
Africa Didn't really get the vaccine.

3588
02:47:04.480 --> 02:47:05.500
They got it in very low numbers.

3589
02:47:05.500 --> 02:47:07.480
And they have the best they have the best success rate in

3590
02:47:07.480 --> 02:47:09.850
the entire world. Africa beat America in this situation

3591
02:47:09.850 --> 02:47:11.860
and a very low population density.

3592
02:47:11.900 --> 02:47:15.070
Okay, Well, we look it, but I'm just saying, I do ask the

3593
02:47:15.070 --> 02:47:15.880
question and I'm just saying.

3594
02:47:15.940 --> 02:47:16.750
A low population.

3595
02:47:16.900 --> 02:47:18.750
So what you're saying is you're wrong.

3596
02:47:18.760 --> 02:47:20.230
These are factors. These are factors.

3597
02:47:20.230 --> 02:47:22.870
You're wrong. But I am asking that question and I'm looking

3598
02:47:22.870 --> 02:47:24.370
at all the available signs that can be.

3599
02:47:24.420 --> 02:47:27.760
No, no. You just said you don't like how I'm asking it.

3600
02:47:27.760 --> 02:47:30.970
And there's some details that I should take into mind, but I

3601
02:47:30.970 --> 02:47:32.380
am asking that question.

3602
02:47:32.380 --> 02:47:34.000
Where in the world can we see?

3603
02:47:34.000 --> 02:47:36.520
We see that Sweden didn't lock down, didn't force mass.

3604
02:47:36.520 --> 02:47:38.080
They have one of the lowest death rates.

3605
02:47:38.110 --> 02:47:41.440
Also, we see Africa and India very low uptake.

3606
02:47:41.470 --> 02:47:43.720
They have the best survival rate there is.

3607
02:47:43.750 --> 02:47:46.900
We masked, we social distance, we vaccinated.

3608
02:47:46.900 --> 02:47:49.300
And we have in America with the best hospital system.

3609
02:47:49.300 --> 02:47:51.640
There is one of the highest death rates in the world.

3610
02:47:51.640 --> 02:47:54.430
I think there should be some serious self-reflection right

3611
02:47:54.430 --> 02:47:59.690
now. And frankly, it shouldn't be on me because I was saying

3612
02:47:59.690 --> 02:48:02.150
it doesn't stop transmission and I was losing my YouTube

3613
02:48:02.150 --> 02:48:03.680
channel for it. In the end, I was right.

3614
02:48:03.680 --> 02:48:06.440
And many of the things that I've said here, in fact, almost

3615
02:48:06.440 --> 02:48:08.600
everything I've said here is proven to be scientifically

3616
02:48:08.600 --> 02:48:08.980
accurate.

3617
02:48:08.990 --> 02:48:11.090
What did you base your comments on when you that?

3618
02:48:11.090 --> 02:48:13.220
The emergency use authorization written by the FDA?

3619
02:48:13.220 --> 02:48:14.600
Okay.At the time.

3620
02:48:14.600 --> 02:48:18.200
At the time, a day, days before anyone was ever even allowed

3621
02:48:18.200 --> 02:48:21.410
to get this, I read that document and said they have not

3622
02:48:21.410 --> 02:48:22.490
proven it stops transmission.

3623
02:48:22.490 --> 02:48:24.980
Therefore, I don't think we can sign on to a social.

3624
02:48:25.130 --> 02:48:28.910
So bring on a consensus person and have this argument with

3625
02:48:28.910 --> 02:48:29.330
them.

3626
02:48:29.450 --> 02:48:30.890
Well, I thought that was, you.

3627
02:48:30.920 --> 02:48:35.180
Know, I. I consensus a Medical professional And .

3628
02:48:35.180 --> 02:48:36.380
the offer is always out there.

3629
02:48:36.380 --> 02:48:39.500
I see that your filmmaker was able to get Paul Offit and

3630
02:48:39.500 --> 02:48:40.670
Tony Fauci and all these people.

3631
02:48:40.940 --> 02:48:43.430
I have always been open and I hope that you will at least

3632
02:48:43.430 --> 02:48:46.520
express to them that Del was kind and considerate and

3633
02:48:46.520 --> 02:48:48.790
actually thoughtful about the way that he addressed this.

3634
02:48:48.800 --> 02:48:51.440
I will bring your concern that you didn't have a sit down

3635
02:48:51.440 --> 02:48:54.560
interview to okay the film director.

3636
02:48:54.560 --> 02:48:55.010
That'd be great.

3637
02:48:55.010 --> 02:48:56.300
I will bring that concern.

3638
02:48:56.300 --> 02:48:58.520
But like I said, you're so out there.

3639
02:48:58.760 --> 02:49:00.080
Maybe he didn't feel it was necessary.

3640
02:49:00.170 --> 02:49:02.090
Even more so just show the data.

3641
02:49:02.090 --> 02:49:04.670
Like I'd like to see him show the actual data from the

3642
02:49:04.670 --> 02:49:07.880
Disneyland outbreak and try to hold on to the point that

3643
02:49:07.880 --> 02:49:09.560
it's the unvaccinated that are driving this.

3644
02:49:09.560 --> 02:49:12.510
It's actually not. It's statistically that's not true.

3645
02:49:12.530 --> 02:49:15.290
So that is what I would like to see in that documentary, if

3646
02:49:15.290 --> 02:49:16.460
it's going to be balanced.

3647
02:49:16.640 --> 02:49:20.330
Okay. And if we can work towards that and that more balanced

3648
02:49:20.330 --> 02:49:23.420
and getting our voices in there with the data, I'm not

3649
02:49:23.420 --> 02:49:26.000
asking for my opinion. I'm asking for my data and where it's

3650
02:49:26.000 --> 02:49:27.350
coming from to be looked at.

3651
02:49:27.380 --> 02:49:30.320
Okay. And I would really love a vaccinated versus

3652
02:49:30.320 --> 02:49:32.690
unvaccinated study. I believe our scientific bodies have the

3653
02:49:32.690 --> 02:49:35.270
talent to do that. They do it with almost every drug we

3654
02:49:35.270 --> 02:49:36.800
take. If you will help me in that.

3655
02:49:36.800 --> 02:49:37.460
make a list.

3656
02:49:37.490 --> 02:49:40.250
I will. I'm going to send it to you and I'll put it out

3657
02:49:40.250 --> 02:49:41.720
there. Let's get a beer, shall we?

3658
02:49:41.750 --> 02:49:43.460
Can we have a beer? Do we have a beer on set?

3659
02:49:43.490 --> 02:49:44.360
Can we have a beer?

3660
02:49:44.390 --> 02:49:45.620
is that allowed on set?

3661
02:49:46.400 --> 02:49:47.750
Neil. Thank you.

3662
02:49:48.050 --> 02:49:49.070
Thank you. I really appreciate you.

3663
02:49:49.070 --> 02:49:51.070
you lost a few pounds. You're looking..

3664
02:49:51.070 --> 02:49:53.480
It's not because you had Covid and you got sick and you lost

3665
02:49:53.480 --> 02:49:55.250
you lost weight?

3666
02:49:55.940 --> 02:49:58.990
What I think we have shown here is that

3667
02:49:59.000 --> 02:49:59.780
this is nice and cold.

3668
02:49:59.780 --> 02:50:00.500
It is nice and cold.

3669
02:50:00.500 --> 02:50:02.330
Oh, my God. This is like 33 degrees.

3670
02:50:02.360 --> 02:50:05.720
We are not some radical group of people we have.

3671
02:50:05.720 --> 02:50:07.970
We are trying to stand for the small guy, the little guy,

3672
02:50:08.000 --> 02:50:10.040
the part that's being left out of the consensus.

3673
02:50:10.040 --> 02:50:12.950
And we are I'm trying to show my audience that this can be

3674
02:50:12.950 --> 02:50:15.410
done with love and in science.

3675
02:50:15.410 --> 02:50:17.750
And I want to thank you for giving us this opportunity

3676
02:50:17.750 --> 02:50:19.850
because many are refusing to sit in their seat.

3677
02:50:19.850 --> 02:50:22.850
And I think if more of us sat in this seat, we can make the

3678
02:50:22.850 --> 02:50:24.800
world a better place. So cheers.

3679
02:50:24.800 --> 02:50:25.910
Cheers to that.

3680
02:50:26.210 --> 02:50:26.900
All right.

3681
02:50:29.440 --> 02:50:30.270
It's a pleasure.

3682
02:50:30.280 --> 02:50:30.970
That's real.

3683
02:50:35.010 --> 02:50:38.960
All right. Well, that was certainly a fantastic experience.

3684
02:50:38.970 --> 02:50:41.070
Definitely wanted to thank Neil DeGrasse Tyson.

3685
02:50:41.070 --> 02:50:44.550
If you're watching now, you did sit in that seat and should

3686
02:50:44.550 --> 02:50:49.050
be respected for that and hopefully there will be more

3687
02:50:49.050 --> 02:50:51.870
opportunities ahead. I wanted to make an announcement.

3688
02:50:52.350 --> 02:50:56.370
There's a great story that's been going on here on the high

3689
02:50:56.370 --> 02:50:59.490
wire. We've been talking, obviously about autism for many

3690
02:50:59.490 --> 02:51:03.090
years. And a miraculous I don't know if you call it an

3691
02:51:03.090 --> 02:51:06.120
invention, but a new approach towards those that are

3692
02:51:06.120 --> 02:51:10.320
severely autistic and, nonverbal.

3693
02:51:10.320 --> 02:51:14.640
This spelling to communicate, which is a way for these these

3694
02:51:14.640 --> 02:51:17.280
voices that have been trapped inside of these bodies to

3695
02:51:17.280 --> 02:51:19.230
finally be expressed.

3696
02:51:19.230 --> 02:51:23.830
I just want to sort of just,  reflect on Jamie and Jamie

3697
02:51:23.850 --> 02:51:27.090
Handley. Jamie is one of these people that all the way up

3698
02:51:27.090 --> 02:51:30.780
until the age of 18, no one knew where his intelligence

3699
02:51:30.780 --> 02:51:33.600
level was at. Could he speak what was going on there?

3700
02:51:33.600 --> 02:51:37.210
Especially his father, JB, who's been an influential person

3701
02:51:37.210 --> 02:51:40.030
in the movement looking for answers to autism.

3702
02:51:40.030 --> 02:51:43.690
They came on the show to show us how spelling to communicate

3703
02:51:43.720 --> 02:51:48.340
had freed Jamie, who is now in college, just, I think 2 to 2

3704
02:51:48.340 --> 02:51:52.660
years after beginning this this program.

3705
02:51:52.660 --> 02:51:54.520
This is just a reflection on that really quick.

3706
02:51:54.520 --> 02:51:56.740
And I'll tell you why. We're looking at it in just a moment.

3707
02:51:56.920 --> 02:52:03.190
All of those years where you were, inside, understanding what

3708
02:52:03.190 --> 02:52:06.730
was happening, how hard has it been to go right into high

3709
02:52:06.730 --> 02:52:09.100
school? I mean, you didn't go back and start all the way

3710
02:52:09.100 --> 02:52:10.990
through, grade school.

3711
02:52:10.990 --> 02:52:12.580
You're only a year in.

3712
02:52:12.610 --> 02:52:13.810
Was it difficult?

3713
02:52:14.050 --> 02:52:15.370
Go ahead. Mhm.

3714
02:52:16.220 --> 02:52:17.310
Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm.

3715
02:52:17.640 --> 02:52:18.840
Go ahead. You can say it. Yep.

3716
02:52:19.260 --> 02:52:19.500
Mhm. Mhm.

3717
02:52:20.900 --> 02:52:22.990
It's easy to do schoolwork.

3718
02:52:23.030 --> 02:52:25.550
What we're on right now is the culmination of Three years,

3719
02:52:25.550 --> 02:52:30.320
right? We started on a stencil board that people poked and

3720
02:52:30.320 --> 02:52:33.410
then we went to the full alphabet that Jamie poked.

3721
02:52:33.410 --> 02:52:37.640
And then we went to touching and touching and me holding it

3722
02:52:37.640 --> 02:52:40.460
for him. And then we went to a keyboard.

3723
02:52:40.460 --> 02:52:43.520
And now at home, we're.

3724
02:52:43.530 --> 02:52:46.700
We're only on a keyboard with an iPad, nothing else.

3725
02:52:46.700 --> 02:52:47.840
This is all he does at home.

3726
02:52:47.840 --> 02:52:51.380
If you give them enough time and attention and therapy, they

3727
02:52:51.380 --> 02:52:54.230
regain that ability to communicate what was always in their

3728
02:52:54.230 --> 02:52:56.540
brain out through their body again.

3729
02:52:57.110 --> 02:52:58.850
So that's that's what's really going on.

3730
02:52:58.850 --> 02:53:01.790
And the amount of joy and happiness that he expresses and

3731
02:53:01.790 --> 02:53:02.330
shows

3732
02:53:02.430 --> 02:53:03.950
he looks so Happy

3733
02:53:04.370 --> 02:53:06.290
is is night and day.

3734
02:53:06.560 --> 02:53:11.330
The joy that it brings to a family is impossible to explain

3735
02:53:11.330 --> 02:53:13.700
to anybody unless they have a child at home.

3736
02:53:13.700 --> 02:53:16.370
And I've gotten these messages over and over again from

3737
02:53:16.370 --> 02:53:18.830
other people who have the same exact experience that I have.

3738
02:53:19.100 --> 02:53:22.980
All of a sudden, the future for your child is exciting and

3739
02:53:22.980 --> 02:53:23.390
fun.

3740
02:53:23.400 --> 02:53:25.740
Jamie, when I was with you last and we were doing the

3741
02:53:25.740 --> 02:53:29.010
interview in your home, you really wanted to share your

3742
02:53:29.010 --> 02:53:32.610
story. You wanted to help all of the other children and

3743
02:53:32.610 --> 02:53:37.830
adults out there that you knew could be helped with S-2c and

3744
02:53:37.830 --> 02:53:39.420
the spelling to communicate.

3745
02:53:39.450 --> 02:53:42.960
Now you have a film which, by the way, is my favorite way to

3746
02:53:42.960 --> 02:53:45.450
try and get the word out there.

3747
02:53:45.780 --> 02:53:48.030
Who do you want to see this movie?

3748
02:53:48.060 --> 02:53:48.900
Who should see it?

3749
02:53:51.630 --> 02:53:54.840
More non speakers .

3750
02:53:55.770 --> 02:53:58.710
For non speakers. And we're talking millions.

3751
02:53:58.710 --> 02:53:59.850
Well, tens of millions.

3752
02:54:00.200 --> 02:54:03.630
I mean, my my number is 50 million worldwide of non speakers.

3753
02:54:04.080 --> 02:54:05.750
The joy that you're feeling.

3754
02:54:05.760 --> 02:54:08.940
What know what makes you happy right now?

3755
02:54:21.660 --> 02:54:24.240
I'm so happy people are hearing the truth.

3756
02:54:30.240 --> 02:54:35.550
Jb and Jamie Handley wrote a book, "Underestimated an Autism

3757
02:54:35.550 --> 02:54:40.110
Miracle." Then they went on to make a documentary film about

3758
02:54:40.110 --> 02:54:44.220
this incredible discovery spellers, which leads to me to one

3759
02:54:44.220 --> 02:54:48.730
of my favorite segments we ever do Highwire hero.

3760
02:55:00.650 --> 02:55:04.580
The HighWire heroes this week are the cast and those behind

3761
02:55:04.580 --> 02:55:06.200
the documentary SPELLERS.

3762
02:55:06.200 --> 02:55:09.500
Why? Because they just won the Phoenix Film Festival.

3763
02:55:09.500 --> 02:55:12.080
This is that moment taking place this week.

3764
02:55:13.460 --> 02:55:17.210
And the Copper Wing Award for Best Documentary goes to

3765
02:55:17.480 --> 02:55:18.600
Spellers.

3766
02:55:45.170 --> 02:55:47.210
I'm actually going to make Mark talk this time.

3767
02:55:47.210 --> 02:55:48.770
Thank you guys so much.

3768
02:55:50.760 --> 02:55:52.140
Thank you so much.

3769
02:55:52.230 --> 02:55:55.710
Just wanted to again thank the Phenix Film Festival for

3770
02:55:55.860 --> 02:55:58.680
allowing us to bring this film to light.

3771
02:55:58.710 --> 02:56:02.640
This film was less about making a documentary as providing a

3772
02:56:02.640 --> 02:56:06.810
platform to give voice to the non-speakers with autism who

3773
02:56:06.810 --> 02:56:11.940
are in the film, and to really show the world how this how

3774
02:56:11.940 --> 02:56:13.750
this could can this process can go.

3775
02:56:13.770 --> 02:56:17.030
So thank you so much for having us here.

3776
02:56:17.040 --> 02:56:18.060
We couldn't do this without you.

3777
02:56:18.090 --> 02:56:18.510
Thank you.

3778
02:56:26.590 --> 02:56:31.120
We want to give our congratulations to the cast of Spellers.

3779
02:56:31.120 --> 02:56:33.730
And I just want to read their names out now because they

3780
02:56:33.730 --> 02:56:35.020
deserve that attention.

3781
02:56:35.020 --> 02:56:36.820
Jamie Aydan.

3782
02:56:36.820 --> 02:56:38.620
Evan. Cade.

3783
02:56:38.650 --> 02:56:40.540
Maddie. Sid.

3784
02:56:40.570 --> 02:56:41.830
Elizabeth. Vince.

3785
02:56:41.830 --> 02:56:44.860
I understand Elizabeth is valedictorian of her college right

3786
02:56:44.860 --> 02:56:47.500
now. Congratulations to all of you.

3787
02:56:47.530 --> 02:56:50.380
You are our high wire heroes of the week.

3788
02:56:50.410 --> 02:56:55.870
Why? Because the consensus says that this doesn't work, that

3789
02:56:55.870 --> 02:56:59.380
this is all made up, that these people are not actually

3790
02:56:59.380 --> 02:57:01.630
communicating with us. Can you believe that?

3791
02:57:01.660 --> 02:57:04.480
Can you believe how heartless sometimes the consensus can

3792
02:57:04.480 --> 02:57:08.980
be? It is films like this and pioneers like Jamie Handley

3793
02:57:08.980 --> 02:57:12.700
and Jamie Hanley and these brilliant cast and crew and the

3794
02:57:12.700 --> 02:57:16.510
directors and writers that made this moment possible to

3795
02:57:16.510 --> 02:57:19.510
begin to show the world that there's a different way of

3796
02:57:19.510 --> 02:57:21.670
looking at this. There's a different way of looking at

3797
02:57:21.670 --> 02:57:25.390
autism. And can you imagine what the future of this world is

3798
02:57:25.390 --> 02:57:30.980
going to look like when the millions of autism people that

3799
02:57:30.980 --> 02:57:34.100
have been having difficulty or have been nonverbal get to

3800
02:57:34.100 --> 02:57:37.310
talk about what they've been observing in their world and

3801
02:57:37.310 --> 02:57:40.020
what's around them and what's going on with them.

3802
02:57:40.040 --> 02:57:41.960
This is huge.

3803
02:57:41.960 --> 02:57:43.970
This is world changing.

3804
02:57:43.970 --> 02:57:45.470
It is science.

3805
02:57:45.500 --> 02:57:46.790
It is reality.

3806
02:57:46.790 --> 02:57:48.050
It is us.

3807
02:57:48.080 --> 02:57:49.520
It is humanity.

3808
02:57:49.550 --> 02:57:52.490
So to close this out, I want to thank all of you that have

3809
02:57:52.490 --> 02:57:54.350
watched this entire show.

3810
02:57:55.160 --> 02:57:57.290
You watched how it takes time.

3811
02:57:57.290 --> 02:57:59.120
You can't interrupt people.

3812
02:57:59.120 --> 02:58:00.770
They want to go off on their tangents.

3813
02:58:00.770 --> 02:58:02.750
When they get uncomfortable, they want to change the story

3814
02:58:02.750 --> 02:58:04.850
or pick out certain words you're using.

3815
02:58:04.850 --> 02:58:06.260
But just stay in there.

3816
02:58:06.290 --> 02:58:07.340
Be calm.

3817
02:58:07.370 --> 02:58:11.600
Because if we fight each other, if we turn each other off,

3818
02:58:11.600 --> 02:58:12.920
we achieve nothing.

3819
02:58:12.920 --> 02:58:14.540
I hope that you saw that.

3820
02:58:14.540 --> 02:58:18.140
My goal is to establish some form of relationship.

3821
02:58:18.140 --> 02:58:21.110
I hope that Neil deGrasse Tyson walks away saying, You know

3822
02:58:21.110 --> 02:58:24.380
what? That wasn't just an emotional argument.

3823
02:58:24.380 --> 02:58:26.330
Actually, there was a lot of stats there.

3824
02:58:26.330 --> 02:58:29.690
And he's making a good point that there are other problems

3825
02:58:29.690 --> 02:58:32.930
with measles outbreaks way beyond those that are

3826
02:58:32.930 --> 02:58:37.670
unvaccinated. And I hope he will think just for a moment how

3827
02:58:37.700 --> 02:58:41.940
dangerous just following consensus can actually be.

3828
02:58:41.960 --> 02:58:45.470
Where would the civil rights movement be if we allowed the

3829
02:58:45.470 --> 02:58:47.900
consensus thought in states?

3830
02:58:47.900 --> 02:58:51.110
Certainly that did not believe the minority deserved to have

3831
02:58:51.110 --> 02:58:54.710
a voice? What would that consensus lead us to now?

3832
02:58:54.710 --> 02:58:58.670
How often has consensus brought us the truth that makes us

3833
02:58:58.670 --> 02:59:02.330
free or brought us together in unity?

3834
02:59:02.360 --> 02:59:06.590
How often are we going to leave the minority out those

3835
02:59:06.590 --> 02:59:10.820
injured individuals for whatever injuries they are, whether

3836
02:59:10.820 --> 02:59:14.030
they are financially injured or whether they have been

3837
02:59:14.030 --> 02:59:17.270
oppressed or whether they have been injured or hurt or

3838
02:59:17.270 --> 02:59:19.190
looked down upon or pushed out.

3839
02:59:19.220 --> 02:59:25.100
We must not let go of the minority that is America.

3840
02:59:25.130 --> 02:59:27.020
That is the earth.

3841
02:59:27.020 --> 02:59:28.700
That is humanity.

3842
02:59:28.730 --> 02:59:31.610
Just because there is some greater good that works for the

3843
02:59:31.610 --> 02:59:34.880
greater body of us does not mean that we're totally human.

3844
02:59:34.880 --> 02:59:39.980
If that's all we care about, we must care about everybody.

3845
02:59:39.980 --> 02:59:43.870
We must allow the consensus to be challenged.

3846
02:59:43.880 --> 02:59:48.830
The challenge must be allowed into the room or we have no

3847
02:59:48.830 --> 02:59:55.430
science, we have no scientific method, and we have no

3848
02:59:55.460 --> 02:59:59.550
humanity. This is what we are fighting for.

3849
02:59:59.580 --> 03:00:02.340
This is what we stand for here at the high wire.

3850
03:00:02.370 --> 03:00:05.670
I want to thank all of you that support us, that sit in this

3851
03:00:05.670 --> 03:00:08.310
moment, that give us the opportunity to be able to bring

3852
03:00:08.340 --> 03:00:12.540
facts and bring brilliant people like Neil deGrasse Tyson

3853
03:00:12.540 --> 03:00:15.750
in. If you want to help us in this work, you can donate now

3854
03:00:15.750 --> 03:00:18.660
to 72022 and donate.

3855
03:00:18.690 --> 03:00:20.820
The world is changing.

3856
03:00:20.820 --> 03:00:25.080
We're about to have multiple politicians that are not afraid

3857
03:00:25.080 --> 03:00:30.180
to speak the truth about the minority beyond the consensus

3858
03:00:30.180 --> 03:00:35.940
and talk about all the issues that affect all of us.

3859
03:00:35.970 --> 03:00:40.250
What a fantastic time to be alive.

3860
03:00:40.260 --> 03:00:43.800
And I can't wait to keep reporting on it here on the

3861
03:00:43.800 --> 03:00:47.730
Highwire. I'll see you next week.