WEBVTT ::cue(v[voice="Del Bigtree"]) { color: white } ::cue(v[voice="The HighWire Control Room"]) { color: lime } ::cue(v[voice="NTD News reporter"]) { color: cyan } ::cue(v[voice="Ken Paxton (R), Atoorney General of Texas"]) { color: red } ::cue(v[voice="CNBC News reporter"]) { color: yellow } ::cue(v[voice="Dorit Reiss, Professor, UC Hastings Law"]) { color: magenta } ::cue(v[voice="Speaker on NTD News"]) { color: blue } ::cue(v[voice="Jonnar Spilbor, Criminal Defense Attorney"]) { color: black } ::cue(v[voice="Various speakers"]) { color: white } ::cue(v[voice="Vivek Ramaswamy, Entrepreneur and Republican Presidential Candidate"]) { color: lime } ::cue(v[voice="Robert F. 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8 00:00:08.500 --> 00:00:08.830 I'm 9 00:00:08.830 --> 00:00:09.070 not 10 00:00:09.070 --> 00:00:09.520 selling you 11 00:00:09.520 --> 00:00:10.180 diapers 12 00:00:10.180 --> 00:00:10.780 or 13 00:00:10.780 --> 00:00:11.590 vitamins 14 00:00:11.590 --> 00:00:11.860 or 15 00:00:11.860 --> 00:00:12.520 smoothies 16 00:00:12.520 --> 00:00:12.760 or 17 00:00:12.760 --> 00:00:13.510 gasoline. 18 00:00:13.720 --> 00:00:14.200 That's 19 00:00:14.200 --> 00:00:14.590 because I 20 00:00:14.590 --> 00:00:15.040 don't want 21 00:00:15.040 --> 00:00:15.460 any 22 00:00:15.460 --> 00:00:15.940 corporate 23 00:00:15.940 --> 00:00:16.510 sponsors 24 00:00:16.510 --> 00:00:16.840 telling 25 00:00:16.840 --> 00:00:17.170 me 26 00:00:17.170 --> 00:00:17.530 what I 27 00:00:17.530 --> 00:00:17.710 can 28 00:00:17.710 --> 00:00:18.520 investigate 29 00:00:18.520 --> 00:00:18.970 or what 30 00:00:18.970 --> 00:00:19.360 I can 31 00:00:19.360 --> 00:00:19.960 say. 32 00:00:19.960 --> 00:00:20.920 Instead. 33 00:00:20.920 --> 00:00:21.700 you 34 00:00:21.700 --> 00:00:22.120 are our 35 00:00:22.120 --> 00:00:23.110 sponsors. 36 00:00:23.170 --> 00:00:23.680 This 37 00:00:23.680 --> 00:00:23.890 is a 38 00:00:23.890 --> 00:00:24.670 production 39 00:00:24.670 --> 00:00:25.180 by 40 00:00:25.180 --> 00:00:25.360 our 41 00:00:25.360 --> 00:00:26.140 nonprofit, 42 00:00:26.140 --> 00:00:26.290 the 43 00:00:26.290 --> 00:00:26.740 Informed 44 00:00:26.740 --> 00:00:27.340 Consent 45 00:00:27.340 --> 00:00:27.730 Action 46 00:00:27.730 --> 00:00:28.360 Network. 47 00:00:28.360 --> 00:00:28.750 So 48 00:00:28.750 --> 00:00:29.080 if you 49 00:00:29.080 --> 00:00:29.560 want more 50 00:00:29.560 --> 00:00:30.640 investigations, 51 00:00:30.640 --> 00:00:30.970 if 52 00:00:30.970 --> 00:00:31.150 you 53 00:00:31.150 --> 00:00:31.480 want 54 00:00:31.480 --> 00:00:32.140 landmark 55 00:00:32.140 --> 00:00:32.560 legal 56 00:00:32.560 --> 00:00:33.280 wins, 57 00:00:33.280 --> 00:00:33.700 if 58 00:00:33.700 --> 00:00:34.180 you want 59 00:00:34.210 --> 00:00:34.900 hard-hitting 60 00:00:34.900 --> 00:00:35.680 news, 61 00:00:35.680 --> 00:00:36.100 if you 62 00:00:36.100 --> 00:00:36.430 want the 63 00:00:36.430 --> 00:00:37.180 truth, 64 00:00:37.210 --> 00:00:37.600 go 65 00:00:37.600 --> 00:00:37.780 to 66 00:00:37.780 --> 00:00:39.550 icandecide.org 67 00:00:39.550 --> 00:00:39.880 and 68 00:00:39.880 --> 00:00:40.300 donate 69 00:00:40.300 --> 00:00:40.840 now. 70 00:00:42.100 --> 00:00:42.430 Alright 71 00:00:42.430 --> 00:00:42.910 everyone, are we 72 00:00:42.910 --> 00:00:43.570 ready? 73 00:00:43.780 --> 00:00:44.470 Yeah. 74 00:00:44.650 --> 00:00:45.070 Let's do 75 00:00:45.070 --> 00:00:45.610 this. 76 00:00:46.120 --> 00:00:46.810 Action. 77 00:01:00.930 --> 00:01:01.320 Good 78 00:01:01.320 --> 00:01:01.740 morning, 79 00:01:01.740 --> 00:01:01.890 good 80 00:01:01.890 --> 00:01:02.250 afternoon, 81 00:01:02.250 --> 00:01:02.730 good evening. 82 00:01:02.730 --> 00:01:03.120 Wherever 83 00:01:03.120 --> 00:01:03.390 you 84 00:01:03.390 --> 00:01:03.810 are out 85 00:01:03.810 --> 00:01:04.110 there in the 86 00:01:04.110 --> 00:01:04.680 world, 87 00:01:04.680 --> 00:01:05.160 let me be the 88 00:01:05.160 --> 00:01:05.550 first to 89 00:01:05.550 --> 00:01:05.850 say to 90 00:01:05.850 --> 00:01:06.180 you, 91 00:01:06.210 --> 00:01:07.110 Happy 92 00:01:07.110 --> 00:01:07.530 New 93 00:01:07.530 --> 00:01:09.060 Year. 94 00:01:09.090 --> 00:01:09.720 We're 95 00:01:09.720 --> 00:01:09.960 really 96 00:01:09.960 --> 00:01:10.320 looking 97 00:01:10.320 --> 00:01:10.680 forward to 98 00:01:10.680 --> 00:01:11.450 2024 99 00:01:11.450 --> 00:01:11.970 here 100 00:01:11.970 --> 00:01:12.360 on The 101 00:01:12.360 --> 00:01:13.170 HighWire. 102 00:01:13.170 --> 00:01:13.650 We got a 103 00:01:13.650 --> 00:01:14.070 brand 104 00:01:14.070 --> 00:01:14.340 new 105 00:01:14.340 --> 00:01:14.730 opening 106 00:01:14.730 --> 00:01:15.240 promo 107 00:01:15.240 --> 00:01:15.600 you just 108 00:01:15.600 --> 00:01:16.080 saw, pretty 109 00:01:16.080 --> 00:01:16.380 excited 110 00:01:16.380 --> 00:01:16.860 about that. 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No, 114 00:01:18.000 --> 00:01:18.300 I'm just 115 00:01:18.300 --> 00:01:18.930 kidding. 116 00:01:19.080 --> 00:01:19.650 But, 117 00:01:19.650 --> 00:01:20.070 you know, 118 00:01:20.070 --> 00:01:20.490 here in 119 00:01:20.490 --> 00:01:21.390 2024, 120 00:01:21.390 --> 00:01:21.600 here in 121 00:01:21.600 --> 00:01:22.140 America, 122 00:01:22.140 --> 00:01:22.530 it's going to 123 00:01:22.530 --> 00:01:22.950 be, I think, 124 00:01:22.950 --> 00:01:23.040 a 125 00:01:23.040 --> 00:01:23.850 particularly 126 00:01:23.850 --> 00:01:24.300 interesting 127 00:01:24.300 --> 00:01:24.780 year. 128 00:01:24.780 --> 00:01:25.200 It's an 129 00:01:25.200 --> 00:01:25.710 election 130 00:01:25.710 --> 00:01:26.340 year. 131 00:01:26.340 --> 00:01:26.820 We're going to 132 00:01:26.820 --> 00:01:27.180 have 133 00:01:27.180 --> 00:01:27.840 presidential 134 00:01:27.840 --> 00:01:28.440 candidates 135 00:01:28.440 --> 00:01:28.860 slinging 136 00:01:28.860 --> 00:01:29.220 mud at 137 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mi, sSo 161 00:01:39.750 --> 00:01:40.140 God 162 00:01:40.140 --> 00:01:40.530 knows 163 00:01:40.530 --> 00:01:40.950 what's going 164 00:01:40.950 --> 00:01:41.400 to happen 165 00:01:41.400 --> 00:01:41.970 there. 166 00:01:41.970 --> 00:01:42.210 But 167 00:01:42.210 --> 00:01:42.660 one of the 168 00:01:42.660 --> 00:01:43.320 conversations 169 00:01:43.320 --> 00:01:43.710 that comes 170 00:01:43.710 --> 00:01:44.040 up 171 00:01:44.040 --> 00:01:44.430 in the 172 00:01:44.430 --> 00:01:45.300 politics 173 00:01:45.300 --> 00:01:45.900 around 174 00:01:45.900 --> 00:01:47.280 vaccinations 175 00:01:47.280 --> 00:01:47.820 is 176 00:01:47.820 --> 00:01:48.840 liability. 177 00:01:48.840 --> 00:01:49.440 And 178 00:01:49.440 --> 00:01:49.830 if you're 179 00:01:49.830 --> 00:01:50.100 not 180 00:01:50.100 --> 00:01:50.460 sure what 181 00:01:50.460 --> 00:01:50.610 I'm 182 00:01:50.610 --> 00:01:50.970 talking 183 00:01:50.970 --> 00:01:51.450 about, 184 00:01:51.450 --> 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reviving 328 00:02:54.990 --> 00:02:55.200 that 329 00:02:55.200 --> 00:02:55.650 spirit is, 330 00:02:55.650 --> 00:02:56.130 in many ways, 331 00:02:56.130 --> 00:02:56.610 going to be good 332 00:02:56.610 --> 00:02:56.910 for this 333 00:02:56.910 --> 00:02:57.510 country, 334 00:02:57.510 --> 00:02:57.810 in so 335 00:02:57.810 --> 00:02:58.050 many 336 00:02:58.050 --> 00:02:58.500 ways. 337 00:02:58.500 --> 00:02:58.830 But 338 00:02:58.830 --> 00:02:59.160 one of the 339 00:02:59.160 --> 00:02:59.640 areas where 340 00:02:59.640 --> 00:02:59.790 he 341 00:02:59.790 --> 00:03:00.240 erred 342 00:03:00.240 --> 00:03:00.780 was 343 00:03:00.780 --> 00:03:01.140 this 344 00:03:01.140 --> 00:03:01.650 special 345 00:03:01.650 --> 00:03:02.040 form of 346 00:03:02.040 --> 00:03:02.460 lobbying 347 00:03:02.490 --> 00:03:02.910 to say that 348 00:03:02.910 --> 00:03:03.240 one 349 00:03:03.240 --> 00:03:03.540 kind of 350 00:03:03.540 --> 00:03:04.470 manufacturer, 351 00:03:04.470 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00:09:46.830 --> 00:09:47.130 Injury 1213 00:09:47.130 --> 00:09:47.370 Act. 1214 00:09:47.610 --> 00:09:48.240 But 1215 00:09:48.240 --> 00:09:48.600 there's a 1216 00:09:48.600 --> 00:09:48.960 lot of 1217 00:09:48.960 --> 00:09:49.380 myth 1218 00:09:49.380 --> 00:09:49.710 that has 1219 00:09:49.710 --> 00:09:51.220 been, 1220 00:09:51.220 --> 00:09:51.870 has 1221 00:09:51.870 --> 00:09:52.140 grown 1222 00:09:52.140 --> 00:09:52.410 up 1223 00:09:52.410 --> 00:09:52.830 around 1224 00:09:52.830 --> 00:09:53.280 that 1225 00:09:53.280 --> 00:09:54.220 act, 1226 00:09:54.220 --> 00:09:54.690 and 1227 00:09:54.690 --> 00:09:54.960 what it 1228 00:09:54.960 --> 00:09:55.260 really 1229 00:09:55.260 --> 00:09:55.830 was, 1230 00:09:55.830 --> 00:09:56.130 what it 1231 00:09:56.130 --> 00:09:56.430 was 1232 00:09:56.430 --> 00:09:56.880 intended 1233 00:09:56.880 --> 00:09:57.000 to 1234 00:09:57.000 --> 00:09:57.420 be, 1235 00:09:57.420 --> 00:09:57.690 what 1236 00:09:57.690 --> 00:09:58.530 happened. 1237 00:09:58.530 --> 00:09:59.070 So 1238 00:09:59.070 --> 00:09:59.280 I 1239 00:09:59.280 --> 00:09:59.670 welcome the 1240 00:09:59.670 --> 00:10:00.300 opportunity 1241 00:10:00.300 --> 00:10:00.690 to set the 1242 00:10:00.690 --> 00:10:00.990 record 1243 00:10:00.990 --> 00:10:01.680 straight. 1244 00:10:01.920 --> 00:10:02.160 Well, 1245 00:10:02.160 --> 00:10:02.490 that's 1246 00:10:02.490 --> 00:10:02.880 what we 1247 00:10:02.880 --> 00:10:03.330 are going to 1248 00:10:03.330 --> 00:10:03.690 do here 1249 00:10:03.690 --> 00:10:04.110 today. 1250 00:10:04.110 --> 00:10:04.500 It's so 1251 00:10:04.500 --> 00:10:05.190 important, 1252 00:10:05.190 --> 00:10:05.820 because 1253 00:10:05.820 --> 00:10:06.090 it's 1254 00:10:06.090 --> 00:10:06.660 probably 1255 00:10:06.660 --> 00:10:07.080 the number 1256 00:10:07.080 --> 00:10:07.290 one 1257 00:10:07.290 --> 00:10:08.040 conversation 1258 00:10:08.040 --> 00:10:08.370 that I 1259 00:10:08.400 --> 00:10:08.670 now 1260 00:10:08.670 --> 00:10:09.540 hear. 1261 00:10:09.540 --> 00:10:09.990 You know, 1262 00:10:09.990 --> 00:10:10.380 as 1263 00:10:10.380 --> 00:10:10.620 you 1264 00:10:10.620 --> 00:10:10.980 tour the 1265 00:10:10.980 --> 00:10:11.460 country, 1266 00:10:11.460 --> 00:10:11.910 after, 1267 00:10:11.910 --> 00:10:12.600 especially 1268 00:10:12.600 --> 00:10:13.320 COVID, 1269 00:10:13.320 --> 00:10:13.800 you know, 1270 00:10:13.800 --> 00:10:14.160 and that 1271 00:10:14.160 --> 00:10:14.700 pandemic 1272 00:10:14.700 --> 00:10:15.060 brought a 1273 00:10:15.060 --> 00:10:15.600 whole 1274 00:10:15.600 --> 00:10:16.080 new 1275 00:10:16.080 --> 00:10:16.440 set 1276 00:10:16.440 --> 00:10:17.190 of 1277 00:10:17.190 --> 00:10:17.790 eyes 1278 00:10:17.790 --> 00:10:17.970 and 1279 00:10:17.970 --> 00:10:18.450 ears to 1280 00:10:18.450 --> 00:10:18.630 this 1281 00:10:18.630 --> 00:10:19.500 conversation, 1282 00:10:19.500 --> 00:10:19.740 and 1283 00:10:19.740 --> 00:10:20.940 politicians 1284 00:10:21.060 --> 00:10:21.480 now 1285 00:10:21.480 --> 00:10:21.900 opening 1286 00:10:21.900 --> 00:10:22.200 up to 1287 00:10:22.200 --> 00:10:22.680 this. And 1288 00:10:22.680 --> 00:10:22.980 so the 1289 00:10:22.980 --> 00:10:23.730 conversation 1290 00:10:23.730 --> 00:10:24.180 has always 1291 00:10:24.180 --> 00:10:24.780 been, 1292 00:10:24.780 --> 00:10:25.170 we 1293 00:10:25.170 --> 00:10:25.530 got to 1294 00:10:25.530 --> 00:10:26.010 get rid of the 1295 00:10:26.010 --> 00:10:26.910 1986 1296 00:10:26.910 --> 00:10:27.200 Act, 1297 00:10:27.200 --> 00:10:27.690 we've got to 1298 00:10:27.690 --> 00:10:28.080 get rid of 1299 00:10:28.080 --> 00:10:28.260 this 1300 00:10:28.260 --> 00:10:28.860 liability 1301 00:10:28.860 --> 00:10:29.910 protection. 1302 00:10:30.090 --> 00:10:30.450 So 1303 00:10:30.450 --> 00:10:30.900 before we 1304 00:10:30.900 --> 00:10:31.260 even get 1305 00:10:31.260 --> 00:10:31.740 into 1306 00:10:31.740 --> 00:10:32.610 discussing 1307 00:10:32.610 --> 00:10:32.910 what 1308 00:10:32.910 --> 00:10:33.270 that would 1309 00:10:33.270 --> 00:10:34.110 mean, 1310 00:10:34.110 --> 00:10:34.470 I 1311 00:10:34.470 --> 00:10:34.710 don't 1312 00:10:34.710 --> 00:10:35.070 think 1313 00:10:35.070 --> 00:10:35.490 most 1314 00:10:35.490 --> 00:10:35.640 of 1315 00:10:35.640 --> 00:10:36.180 us 1316 00:10:36.180 --> 00:10:36.780 really 1317 00:10:36.780 --> 00:10:37.200 have a 1318 00:10:37.200 --> 00:10:37.500 full 1319 00:10:37.500 --> 00:10:38.640 understanding 1320 00:10:38.640 --> 00:10:38.880 of 1321 00:10:38.880 --> 00:10:39.270 how the 1322 00:10:39.270 --> 00:10:40.320 1986 1323 00:10:40.320 --> 00:10:40.680 Vaccine 1324 00:10:40.680 --> 00:10:40.950 Injury 1325 00:10:40.950 --> 00:10:41.700 Compensation 1326 00:10:41.700 --> 00:10:42.660 program 1327 00:10:43.020 --> 00:10:43.560 started, 1328 00:10:43.560 --> 00:10:43.890 how it 1329 00:10:43.890 --> 00:10:44.820 happened. 1330 00:10:44.910 --> 00:10:45.810 So 1331 00:10:45.810 --> 00:10:46.170 take me 1332 00:10:46.170 --> 00:10:46.380 back 1333 00:10:46.380 --> 00:10:46.740 because 1334 00:10:46.740 --> 00:10:47.190 you said 1335 00:10:47.190 --> 00:10:47.520 we 1336 00:10:47.520 --> 00:10:48.000 were a 1337 00:10:48.000 --> 00:10:48.360 part 1338 00:10:48.360 --> 00:10:48.960 of, 1339 00:10:48.960 --> 00:10:49.440 I mean, you 1340 00:10:49.440 --> 00:10:49.620 were 1341 00:10:49.620 --> 00:10:50.010 right 1342 00:10:50.010 --> 00:10:50.450 there, 1343 00:10:50.450 --> 00:10:50.880 you were 1344 00:10:50.880 --> 00:10:51.360 in 1345 00:10:51.360 --> 00:10:51.630 these 1346 00:10:51.630 --> 00:10:52.470 meetings. 1347 00:10:52.470 --> 00:10:52.950 And 1348 00:10:52.950 --> 00:10:53.190 so, 1349 00:10:53.490 --> 00:10:54.330 again, 1350 00:10:54.330 --> 00:10:54.780 a lot of 1351 00:10:54.780 --> 00:10:55.200 people will 1352 00:10:55.200 --> 00:10:55.650 say, 1353 00:10:55.650 --> 00:10:55.950 you know, 1354 00:10:55.950 --> 00:10:56.370 and one of 1355 00:10:56.370 --> 00:10:56.700 the lines 1356 00:10:56.700 --> 00:10:56.910 I'll 1357 00:10:56.910 --> 00:10:57.210 use 1358 00:10:57.210 --> 00:10:57.570 is 1359 00:10:57.570 --> 00:10:57.810 the 1360 00:10:57.810 --> 00:10:58.530 pharmaceutical 1361 00:10:58.530 --> 00:10:59.160 industry 1362 00:10:59.160 --> 00:10:59.850 blackmailed 1363 00:10:59.850 --> 00:11:00.150 Ronald 1364 00:11:00.150 --> 00:11:00.570 Reagan and 1365 00:11:00.570 --> 00:11:00.660 the 1366 00:11:00.660 --> 00:11:01.080 Congress 1367 00:11:01.080 --> 00:11:01.440 by saying, 1368 00:11:01.440 --> 00:11:01.800 we're going to 1369 00:11:01.800 --> 00:11:02.010 stop 1370 00:11:02.010 --> 00:11:02.490 making all 1371 00:11:02.490 --> 00:11:04.050 vaccines 1372 00:11:04.050 --> 00:11:04.410 if you don't 1373 00:11:04.410 --> 00:11:04.830 protect us 1374 00:11:04.830 --> 00:11:05.010 from 1375 00:11:05.010 --> 00:11:05.610 liability. 1376 00:11:05.610 --> 00:11:06.070 I think that, I 1377 00:11:06.070 --> 00:11:06.510 mean it's 1378 00:11:06.510 --> 00:11:07.020 clearly 1379 00:11:07.020 --> 00:11:07.110 a 1380 00:11:07.110 --> 00:11:07.710 very 1381 00:11:07.710 --> 00:11:09.610 simplistic 1382 00:11:09.610 --> 00:11:10.080 way 1383 00:11:10.080 --> 00:11:10.200 to 1384 00:11:10.200 --> 00:11:10.830 describe 1385 00:11:10.830 --> 00:11:11.360 it, 1386 00:11:11.360 --> 00:11:11.820 but it's 1387 00:11:11.820 --> 00:11:12.210 not the 1388 00:11:12.210 --> 00:11:12.600 only 1389 00:11:12.600 --> 00:11:13.020 people that 1390 00:11:13.020 --> 00:11:13.320 were at the 1391 00:11:13.320 --> 00:11:13.890 table. 1392 00:11:13.890 --> 00:11:14.130 Oh, 1393 00:11:14.130 --> 00:11:14.700 no. 1394 00:11:14.700 --> 00:11:15.120 Oh, no, 1395 00:11:15.120 --> 00:11:15.750 no. 1396 00:11:16.170 --> 00:11:16.410 Uh, 1397 00:11:16.410 --> 00:11:17.340 gosh, 1398 00:11:17.340 --> 00:11:17.700 how 1399 00:11:17.700 --> 00:11:18.180 did it all 1400 00:11:18.180 --> 00:11:18.990 happen? 1401 00:11:19.110 --> 00:11:19.500 You 1402 00:11:19.500 --> 00:11:19.860 know, 1403 00:11:19.860 --> 00:11:20.310 I was a 1404 00:11:20.310 --> 00:11:20.580 young 1405 00:11:20.580 --> 00:11:21.380 mom, 1406 00:11:21.380 --> 00:11:22.050 first 1407 00:11:22.050 --> 00:11:22.290 time 1408 00:11:22.290 --> 00:11:23.130 mom, 1409 00:11:23.130 --> 00:11:23.550 and 1410 00:11:23.550 --> 00:11:23.910 my son 1411 00:11:23.910 --> 00:11:24.390 had had a 1412 00:11:24.390 --> 00:11:25.020 reaction 1413 00:11:25.020 --> 00:11:25.140 in 1414 00:11:25.140 --> 00:11:25.890 1980 1415 00:11:25.890 --> 00:11:26.310 to his 1416 00:11:26.310 --> 00:11:26.550 fourth 1417 00:11:26.550 --> 00:11:27.000 DPT 1418 00:11:27.000 --> 00:11:27.570 shot. 1419 00:11:27.570 --> 00:11:28.020 Bright, 1420 00:11:28.020 --> 00:11:29.040 precocious 1421 00:11:29.040 --> 00:11:29.970 baby. 1422 00:11:30.780 --> 00:11:31.620 I 1423 00:11:31.620 --> 00:11:31.830 didn't 1424 00:11:31.830 --> 00:11:32.730 understand 1425 00:11:32.730 --> 00:11:33.150 until 1426 00:11:33.150 --> 00:11:33.420 I 1427 00:11:33.420 --> 00:11:34.020 saw 1428 00:11:34.020 --> 00:11:34.410 what 1429 00:11:34.410 --> 00:11:34.830 had happened 1430 00:11:34.830 --> 00:11:34.950 to 1431 00:11:34.950 --> 00:11:35.460 him, 1432 00:11:35.460 --> 00:11:35.880 until 1433 00:11:35.880 --> 00:11:36.240 I saw 1434 00:11:36.240 --> 00:11:36.660 "DPT: 1435 00:11:36.660 --> 00:11:37.050 Vaccine 1436 00:11:37.050 --> 00:11:37.500 Roulette," 1437 00:11:37.500 --> 00:11:37.950 which 1438 00:11:37.950 --> 00:11:38.310 was 1439 00:11:38.310 --> 00:11:38.490 a 1440 00:11:38.490 --> 00:11:39.180 documentary, 1441 00:11:39.180 --> 00:11:39.270 a 1442 00:11:39.270 --> 00:11:39.810 television, 1443 00:11:39.810 --> 00:11:40.290 and eventually 1444 00:11:40.290 --> 00:11:40.680 ended up 1445 00:11:40.680 --> 00:11:41.160 being an 1446 00:11:41.160 --> 00:11:41.520 Emmy 1447 00:11:41.520 --> 00:11:41.820 Award 1448 00:11:41.820 --> 00:11:42.090 winning 1449 00:11:42.090 --> 00:11:42.630 television 1450 00:11:42.630 --> 00:11:43.560 documentary, 1451 00:11:43.560 --> 00:11:44.190 produced 1452 00:11:44.190 --> 00:11:44.550 by Lea 1453 00:11:44.550 --> 00:11:45.060 Thompson 1454 00:11:45.060 --> 00:11:45.450 at the 1455 00:11:45.450 --> 00:11:45.900 NBC 1456 00:11:45.900 --> 00:11:46.320 affiliate 1457 00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:46.470 in 1458 00:11:46.470 --> 00:11:46.890 Washington, 1459 00:11:46.890 --> 00:11:47.550 DC. 1460 00:11:47.580 --> 00:11:48.630 And 1461 00:11:48.630 --> 00:11:50.810 that, 1462 00:11:50.810 --> 00:11:51.300 I can 1463 00:11:51.300 --> 00:11:51.810 remember 1464 00:11:51.810 --> 00:11:52.230 standing 1465 00:11:52.230 --> 00:11:52.530 in my 1466 00:11:52.530 --> 00:11:53.370 kitchen 1467 00:11:53.370 --> 00:11:54.060 and 1468 00:11:54.060 --> 00:11:54.570 watching 1469 00:11:54.570 --> 00:11:54.810 that 1470 00:11:54.810 --> 00:11:55.320 show, 1471 00:11:55.320 --> 00:11:55.710 and it 1472 00:11:55.710 --> 00:11:56.070 just gives 1473 00:11:56.070 --> 00:11:56.220 me 1474 00:11:56.220 --> 00:11:56.610 chills 1475 00:11:56.610 --> 00:11:57.030 just to 1476 00:11:57.030 --> 00:11:57.510 even think 1477 00:11:57.510 --> 00:11:57.840 about 1478 00:11:57.840 --> 00:11:58.200 it. 1479 00:11:58.200 --> 00:11:58.620 And 1480 00:11:58.620 --> 00:11:58.800 my 1481 00:11:58.800 --> 00:11:59.160 mother 1482 00:11:59.160 --> 00:11:59.460 called 1483 00:11:59.460 --> 00:11:59.820 me 1484 00:11:59.820 --> 00:12:00.630 and 1485 00:12:00.630 --> 00:12:01.080 we both 1486 00:12:01.080 --> 00:12:01.620 said, 1487 00:12:01.620 --> 00:12:02.100 that's 1488 00:12:02.100 --> 00:12:02.580 what happened 1489 00:12:02.580 --> 00:12:02.670 to 1490 00:12:02.670 --> 00:12:03.360 Chris. 1491 00:12:03.600 --> 00:12:03.840 You 1492 00:12:03.840 --> 00:12:04.230 know, 1493 00:12:04.230 --> 00:12:04.650 that's 1494 00:12:04.650 --> 00:12:05.130 why he's 1495 00:12:05.280 --> 00:12:05.550 been 1496 00:12:05.550 --> 00:12:05.790 so 1497 00:12:05.790 --> 00:12:06.540 sick 1498 00:12:06.720 --> 00:12:06.860 . 1499 00:12:06.860 --> 00:12:07.350 Because 1500 00:12:07.350 --> 00:12:08.610 I 1501 00:12:08.610 --> 00:12:08.880 put it 1502 00:12:08.880 --> 00:12:09.300 together and 1503 00:12:09.300 --> 00:12:09.630 the next 1504 00:12:09.630 --> 00:12:10.020 day I 1505 00:12:10.020 --> 00:12:10.470 called the 1506 00:12:10.470 --> 00:12:11.250 station 1507 00:12:11.250 --> 00:12:11.730 and 1508 00:12:11.730 --> 00:12:11.910 I 1509 00:12:11.910 --> 00:12:12.390 said, 1510 00:12:12.390 --> 00:12:13.090 because 1511 00:12:13.090 --> 00:12:13.530 I'd worked 1512 00:12:13.530 --> 00:12:13.740 at a 1513 00:12:13.740 --> 00:12:14.070 teaching 1514 00:12:14.070 --> 00:12:14.670 hospital 1515 00:12:14.670 --> 00:12:15.060 as a 1516 00:12:15.060 --> 00:12:15.420 medical 1517 00:12:15.420 --> 00:12:15.990 writer 1518 00:12:16.200 --> 00:12:16.650 before 1519 00:12:16.650 --> 00:12:16.860 I was 1520 00:12:16.860 --> 00:12:17.310 married and 1521 00:12:17.310 --> 00:12:18.210 I 1522 00:12:18.210 --> 00:12:18.480 said, 1523 00:12:18.480 --> 00:12:18.720 can 1524 00:12:18.720 --> 00:12:19.110 I 1525 00:12:19.140 --> 00:12:19.410 come 1526 00:12:19.410 --> 00:12:19.830 down 1527 00:12:19.830 --> 00:12:20.220 and get 1528 00:12:20.220 --> 00:12:20.700 the medical 1529 00:12:20.700 --> 00:12:21.630 literature 1530 00:12:21.630 --> 00:12:22.170 that 1531 00:12:22.170 --> 00:12:22.470 you 1532 00:12:22.470 --> 00:12:22.920 used 1533 00:12:22.920 --> 00:12:23.190 to 1534 00:12:23.190 --> 00:12:23.670 anchor your 1535 00:12:23.670 --> 00:12:24.510 program? 1536 00:12:24.510 --> 00:12:24.900 And they 1537 00:12:24.900 --> 00:12:25.140 said, 1538 00:12:25.140 --> 00:12:25.770 sure. 1539 00:12:25.770 --> 00:12:26.100 I 1540 00:12:26.100 --> 00:12:26.550 said, do you 1541 00:12:26.550 --> 00:12:26.910 have any 1542 00:12:26.910 --> 00:12:27.120 other 1543 00:12:27.120 --> 00:12:27.570 parents who 1544 00:12:27.570 --> 00:12:27.690 have 1545 00:12:27.690 --> 00:12:28.500 called? 1546 00:12:28.500 --> 00:12:28.950 I'd 1547 00:12:28.950 --> 00:12:29.430 never called 1548 00:12:29.430 --> 00:12:29.760 a TV 1549 00:12:29.760 --> 00:12:30.120 station 1550 00:12:30.120 --> 00:12:30.900 before, 1551 00:12:31.620 --> 00:12:32.400 but 1552 00:12:32.520 --> 00:12:32.910 they said, 1553 00:12:32.910 --> 00:12:33.390 sure, and they 1554 00:12:33.390 --> 00:12:33.810 gave me the 1555 00:12:33.810 --> 00:12:34.110 name of 1556 00:12:34.110 --> 00:12:34.470 Kathi 1557 00:12:34.470 --> 00:12:35.250 Williams 1558 00:12:35.250 --> 00:12:35.610 . And there was 1559 00:12:35.610 --> 00:12:35.850 Jeff 1560 00:12:35.850 --> 00:12:36.300 Schwartz 1561 00:12:36.300 --> 00:12:36.760 as well, 1562 00:12:36.760 --> 00:12:37.110 but I 1563 00:12:37.110 --> 00:12:37.440 called 1564 00:12:37.440 --> 00:12:38.250 Kathi 1565 00:12:38.850 --> 00:12:39.160 . 1566 00:12:39.160 --> 00:12:39.630 And 1567 00:12:39.630 --> 00:12:39.960 I went 1568 00:12:39.960 --> 00:12:40.290 down the 1569 00:12:40.290 --> 00:12:41.460 station, 1570 00:12:41.460 --> 00:12:41.910 I got the 1571 00:12:41.910 --> 00:12:42.270 medical 1572 00:12:42.270 --> 00:12:43.080 literature, 1573 00:12:43.080 --> 00:12:43.560 and 1574 00:12:43.560 --> 00:12:43.890 I 1575 00:12:43.890 --> 00:12:44.370 sat in my 1576 00:12:44.370 --> 00:12:44.640 living 1577 00:12:44.640 --> 00:12:45.330 room, 1578 00:12:45.330 --> 00:12:45.930 and 1579 00:12:45.930 --> 00:12:46.470 there 1580 00:12:46.470 --> 00:12:46.900 in the 1581 00:12:46.900 --> 00:12:47.360 pages of 1582 00:12:47.360 --> 00:12:48.140 Pediatrics 1583 00:12:48.140 --> 00:12:48.500 and New 1584 00:12:48.500 --> 00:12:48.770 England 1585 00:12:48.770 --> 00:12:49.100 Journal of 1586 00:12:49.100 --> 00:12:49.700 Medicine 1587 00:12:49.700 --> 00:12:50.150 and the 1588 00:12:50.150 --> 00:12:50.480 British 1589 00:12:50.480 --> 00:12:50.840 Medical 1590 00:12:50.840 --> 00:12:51.380 Journal 1591 00:12:51.380 --> 00:12:51.680 were 1592 00:12:51.680 --> 00:12:52.280 descriptions 1593 00:12:52.280 --> 00:12:52.460 of 1594 00:12:52.460 --> 00:12:53.030 exactly 1595 00:12:53.030 --> 00:12:53.480 what I had 1596 00:12:53.480 --> 00:12:53.900 seen my 1597 00:12:53.900 --> 00:12:54.110 son 1598 00:12:54.110 --> 00:12:54.560 do 1599 00:12:54.560 --> 00:12:54.920 that 1600 00:12:54.920 --> 00:12:55.280 day. 1601 00:12:55.280 --> 00:12:55.520 I 1602 00:12:55.520 --> 00:12:55.910 walked in 1603 00:12:55.910 --> 00:12:56.210 on his 1604 00:12:56.210 --> 00:12:56.600 vaccine 1605 00:12:56.600 --> 00:12:57.320 reaction. 1606 00:12:57.320 --> 00:12:57.830 Within 1607 00:12:57.830 --> 00:12:58.100 four 1608 00:12:58.100 --> 00:12:58.490 hours of 1609 00:12:58.490 --> 00:12:58.610 his 1610 00:12:58.610 --> 00:12:59.030 shot, 1611 00:12:59.030 --> 00:12:59.510 I 1612 00:12:59.510 --> 00:12:59.960 witnessed 1613 00:12:59.960 --> 00:13:00.140 his 1614 00:13:00.140 --> 00:13:00.560 vaccine 1615 00:13:00.560 --> 00:13:01.250 reaction, 1616 00:13:01.250 --> 00:13:01.700 but I 1617 00:13:01.700 --> 00:13:02.060 did not 1618 00:13:02.060 --> 00:13:02.540 know what I 1619 00:13:02.540 --> 00:13:02.720 was 1620 00:13:02.720 --> 00:13:03.440 witnessing. 1621 00:13:03.980 --> 00:13:04.730 Describe 1622 00:13:04.730 --> 00:13:05.180 it for me, 1623 00:13:05.180 --> 00:13:05.360 for 1624 00:13:05.360 --> 00:13:05.780 people, we 1625 00:13:05.780 --> 00:13:05.990 have 1626 00:13:05.990 --> 00:13:06.590 an 1627 00:13:06.590 --> 00:13:07.040 audience 1628 00:13:07.040 --> 00:13:07.370 now 1629 00:13:07.370 --> 00:13:07.760 that, 1630 00:13:07.760 --> 00:13:07.940 you 1631 00:13:07.940 --> 00:13:08.360 know, 1632 00:13:08.360 --> 00:13:08.810 isn't as 1633 00:13:08.810 --> 00:13:09.290 familiar 1634 00:13:09.290 --> 00:13:09.800 with 1635 00:13:09.800 --> 00:13:10.340 vaccine 1636 00:13:10.340 --> 00:13:10.790 injury or 1637 00:13:10.790 --> 00:13:11.120 how it 1638 00:13:11.120 --> 00:13:11.480 looks in 1639 00:13:11.480 --> 00:13:11.900 children, 1640 00:13:11.900 --> 00:13:13.900 especially, 1641 00:13:13.900 --> 00:13:14.360 you 1642 00:13:14.360 --> 00:13:14.660 know, 1643 00:13:14.660 --> 00:13:15.200 autism 1644 00:13:15.200 --> 00:13:15.680 and things like 1645 00:13:15.680 --> 00:13:16.250 that, 1646 00:13:16.250 --> 00:13:16.640 so what 1647 00:13:16.640 --> 00:13:16.850 was 1648 00:13:16.850 --> 00:13:17.450 that 1649 00:13:17.450 --> 00:13:17.840 injury, 1650 00:13:17.840 --> 00:13:18.230 what did it 1651 00:13:18.230 --> 00:13:18.440 look 1652 00:13:18.440 --> 00:13:18.860 like? 1653 00:13:18.860 --> 00:13:19.250 Well, 1654 00:13:19.250 --> 00:13:19.640 so 1655 00:13:19.640 --> 00:13:20.000 he 1656 00:13:20.000 --> 00:13:20.210 had 1657 00:13:20.210 --> 00:13:20.750 had 1658 00:13:20.750 --> 00:13:21.260 a 1659 00:13:21.830 --> 00:13:22.370 local 1660 00:13:22.370 --> 00:13:23.000 reaction 1661 00:13:23.000 --> 00:13:23.420 at the site 1662 00:13:23.420 --> 00:13:23.600 of the 1663 00:13:23.600 --> 00:13:24.020 injection 1664 00:13:24.020 --> 00:13:24.440 after his 1665 00:13:24.440 --> 00:13:24.710 third 1666 00:13:24.710 --> 00:13:25.070 shot 1667 00:13:25.070 --> 00:13:25.370 as a 1668 00:13:25.370 --> 00:13:26.000 baby. 1669 00:13:26.120 --> 00:13:26.540 He was about 1670 00:13:26.540 --> 00:13:26.810 seven 1671 00:13:26.810 --> 00:13:27.050 months 1672 00:13:27.050 --> 00:13:27.500 old. 1673 00:13:27.500 --> 00:13:28.160 Big 1674 00:13:28.160 --> 00:13:28.640 hard 1675 00:13:28.640 --> 00:13:29.180 red 1676 00:13:29.180 --> 00:13:29.510 hot 1677 00:13:29.510 --> 00:13:29.960 lump that 1678 00:13:29.960 --> 00:13:30.230 came 1679 00:13:30.230 --> 00:13:30.560 up. 1680 00:13:30.560 --> 00:13:30.920 It 1681 00:13:30.920 --> 00:13:31.310 stayed there 1682 00:13:31.310 --> 00:13:31.760 for weeks. 1683 00:13:31.760 --> 00:13:32.180 I called 1684 00:13:32.180 --> 00:13:32.300 the 1685 00:13:32.300 --> 00:13:32.690 doctor's 1686 00:13:32.690 --> 00:13:33.080 office. 1687 00:13:33.080 --> 00:13:33.500 The nurse 1688 00:13:33.500 --> 00:13:33.800 said to 1689 00:13:33.800 --> 00:13:34.100 me, 1690 00:13:34.100 --> 00:13:34.340 it 1691 00:13:34.340 --> 00:13:34.700 was a 1692 00:13:34.700 --> 00:13:35.180 bad lot 1693 00:13:35.210 --> 00:13:35.330 of 1694 00:13:35.330 --> 00:13:35.780 DPT 1695 00:13:35.780 --> 00:13:36.260 vaccine, 1696 00:13:36.260 --> 00:13:36.560 don't 1697 00:13:36.560 --> 00:13:36.770 worry 1698 00:13:36.770 --> 00:13:37.160 about 1699 00:13:37.160 --> 00:13:37.700 it. 1700 00:13:38.090 --> 00:13:38.420 And 1701 00:13:38.420 --> 00:13:38.660 my 1702 00:13:38.660 --> 00:13:39.200 reaction 1703 00:13:39.200 --> 00:13:39.980 was, 1704 00:13:39.980 --> 00:13:40.430 should 1705 00:13:40.430 --> 00:13:40.880 I bring him 1706 00:13:40.880 --> 00:13:41.240 down for 1707 00:13:41.240 --> 00:13:41.570 another 1708 00:13:41.570 --> 00:13:42.170 one? 1709 00:13:42.500 --> 00:13:43.100 Because 1710 00:13:43.100 --> 00:13:43.310 I 1711 00:13:43.310 --> 00:13:43.790 thought they 1712 00:13:43.790 --> 00:13:44.390 meant, 1713 00:13:44.390 --> 00:13:44.840 what she 1714 00:13:44.840 --> 00:13:45.140 meant 1715 00:13:45.140 --> 00:13:45.530 was 1716 00:13:45.530 --> 00:13:45.710 it 1717 00:13:45.710 --> 00:13:46.130 was 1718 00:13:46.130 --> 00:13:46.940 expired, 1719 00:13:46.940 --> 00:13:47.270 that it 1720 00:13:47.270 --> 00:13:47.630 was 1721 00:13:47.630 --> 00:13:48.080 not 1722 00:13:48.080 --> 00:13:48.500 potent 1723 00:13:48.500 --> 00:13:48.830 enough, 1724 00:13:48.830 --> 00:13:49.160 that it 1725 00:13:49.160 --> 00:13:49.790 somehow 1726 00:13:49.790 --> 00:13:50.270 it was 1727 00:13:50.270 --> 00:13:50.840 defective 1728 00:13:50.840 --> 00:13:51.200 in that 1729 00:13:51.200 --> 00:13:51.380 way. 1730 00:13:51.950 --> 00:13:52.430 It wasn't 1731 00:13:52.430 --> 00:13:52.670 going to 1732 00:13:52.670 --> 00:13:53.360 work. 1733 00:13:53.360 --> 00:13:53.660 I 1734 00:13:53.660 --> 00:13:54.020 never 1735 00:13:54.020 --> 00:13:54.320 thought it 1736 00:13:54.320 --> 00:13:54.620 was a 1737 00:13:54.620 --> 00:13:55.040 safety 1738 00:13:55.040 --> 00:13:55.550 issue, 1739 00:13:55.550 --> 00:13:55.760 I 1740 00:13:55.760 --> 00:13:56.060 thought 1741 00:13:56.240 --> 00:13:56.720 my baby 1742 00:13:56.720 --> 00:13:57.170 wasn't going to 1743 00:13:57.170 --> 00:13:57.290 be 1744 00:13:57.290 --> 00:13:58.100 protected. 1745 00:13:58.100 --> 00:13:58.520 And she 1746 00:13:58.520 --> 00:13:59.000 said, oh, no, 1747 00:13:59.000 --> 00:13:59.390 no, 1748 00:13:59.390 --> 00:13:59.840 you don't have 1749 00:13:59.840 --> 00:14:00.320 to come down for 1750 00:14:00.320 --> 00:14:00.620 another 1751 00:14:00.620 --> 00:14:01.040 one, just 1752 00:14:01.040 --> 00:14:01.490 come back 1753 00:14:01.490 --> 00:14:01.820 the next 1754 00:14:01.820 --> 00:14:02.270 time he's 1755 00:14:02.270 --> 00:14:02.660 due. 1756 00:14:02.660 --> 00:14:03.110 Well he was 1757 00:14:03.110 --> 00:14:03.410 a really 1758 00:14:03.410 --> 00:14:03.710 healthy 1759 00:14:03.710 --> 00:14:04.490 kid, 1760 00:14:05.150 --> 00:14:05.870 bright, 1761 00:14:05.870 --> 00:14:06.470 saying 1762 00:14:06.470 --> 00:14:06.800 words at 1763 00:14:06.800 --> 00:14:07.100 seven 1764 00:14:07.100 --> 00:14:07.400 months, 1765 00:14:07.400 --> 00:14:07.820 speaking in 1766 00:14:07.820 --> 00:14:08.000 full 1767 00:14:08.000 --> 00:14:08.420 sentences 1768 00:14:08.420 --> 00:14:08.870 by the age 1769 00:14:08.870 --> 00:14:08.960 of 1770 00:14:08.990 --> 00:14:09.680 two, 1771 00:14:09.740 --> 00:14:10.670 and 1772 00:14:10.670 --> 00:14:11.150 we went 1773 00:14:11.150 --> 00:14:11.540 everywhere 1774 00:14:11.540 --> 00:14:12.000 together, 1775 00:14:12.000 --> 00:14:12.440 he was this 1776 00:14:12.440 --> 00:14:12.800 happy 1777 00:14:12.800 --> 00:14:12.980 go 1778 00:14:12.980 --> 00:14:13.980 lucky 1779 00:14:13.980 --> 00:14:14.690 just, 1780 00:14:15.470 --> 00:14:15.950 just an 1781 00:14:15.950 --> 00:14:16.550 extraordinary 1782 00:14:16.550 --> 00:14:17.450 child. 1783 00:14:17.780 --> 00:14:18.680 And 1784 00:14:18.680 --> 00:14:19.400 so 1785 00:14:19.400 --> 00:14:19.670 I 1786 00:14:19.670 --> 00:14:20.150 wanted to go to 1787 00:14:20.150 --> 00:14:20.480 a mother's 1788 00:14:20.510 --> 00:14:20.810 day out 1789 00:14:20.810 --> 00:14:21.290 program and 1790 00:14:21.290 --> 00:14:21.590 get him 1791 00:14:21.590 --> 00:14:22.240 socialized, 1792 00:14:22.240 --> 00:14:22.730 so he's two and 1793 00:14:22.730 --> 00:14:23.120 a half years 1794 00:14:23.120 --> 00:14:23.450 old, he 1795 00:14:23.450 --> 00:14:23.900 hadn't gone back 1796 00:14:23.900 --> 00:14:24.050 to the 1797 00:14:24.050 --> 00:14:24.680 doctor. 1798 00:14:25.290 --> 00:14:26.250 So 1799 00:14:26.250 --> 00:14:27.030 they 1800 00:14:27.030 --> 00:14:27.450 had said 1801 00:14:27.450 --> 00:14:27.840 you have to 1802 00:14:27.840 --> 00:14:28.320 have a fourth 1803 00:14:28.320 --> 00:14:28.740 DPT 1804 00:14:28.740 --> 00:14:29.310 shot, 1805 00:14:29.310 --> 00:14:29.760 and 1806 00:14:29.760 --> 00:14:30.150 a fourth 1807 00:14:30.150 --> 00:14:30.390 oral 1808 00:14:30.390 --> 00:14:30.690 polio 1809 00:14:30.690 --> 00:14:31.470 vaccine. 1810 00:14:31.470 --> 00:14:31.950 So 1811 00:14:31.950 --> 00:14:32.280 I took 1812 00:14:32.280 --> 00:14:32.610 him 1813 00:14:32.610 --> 00:14:32.940 to the 1814 00:14:32.940 --> 00:14:33.660 doctor. 1815 00:14:33.660 --> 00:14:33.930 My 1816 00:14:33.930 --> 00:14:34.410 mother came 1817 00:14:34.410 --> 00:14:34.620 with 1818 00:14:34.620 --> 00:14:35.100 me. 1819 00:14:35.100 --> 00:14:35.430 My 1820 00:14:35.430 --> 00:14:35.790 mother had 1821 00:14:35.790 --> 00:14:36.030 been a 1822 00:14:36.030 --> 00:14:36.390 nurse. 1823 00:14:36.390 --> 00:14:36.870 I came from 1824 00:14:36.870 --> 00:14:37.290 a medical 1825 00:14:37.290 --> 00:14:37.680 family on 1826 00:14:37.680 --> 00:14:38.040 my mother's 1827 00:14:38.040 --> 00:14:38.460 side, 1828 00:14:38.460 --> 00:14:38.880 doctors 1829 00:14:38.880 --> 00:14:38.970 and 1830 00:14:38.970 --> 00:14:39.600 nurses. 1831 00:14:40.530 --> 00:14:41.670 And 1832 00:14:42.090 --> 00:14:42.540 for the 1833 00:14:42.540 --> 00:14:42.930 first 1834 00:14:42.930 --> 00:14:43.500 time 1835 00:14:43.500 --> 00:14:43.740 in 1836 00:14:43.740 --> 00:14:44.010 his 1837 00:14:44.010 --> 00:14:44.820 life, 1838 00:14:44.820 --> 00:14:45.390 this 1839 00:14:45.390 --> 00:14:45.930 happy, 1840 00:14:45.930 --> 00:14:46.650 cheerful 1841 00:14:46.650 --> 00:14:47.680 kid 1842 00:14:47.680 --> 00:14:48.920 fought 1843 00:14:48.920 --> 00:14:49.220 with 1844 00:14:49.220 --> 00:14:49.700 every 1845 00:14:49.700 --> 00:14:50.060 ounce 1846 00:14:50.060 --> 00:14:50.210 of 1847 00:14:50.210 --> 00:14:50.660 strength 1848 00:14:50.660 --> 00:14:51.050 he had 1849 00:14:51.050 --> 00:14:51.380 in his 1850 00:14:51.380 --> 00:14:52.160 body 1851 00:14:52.160 --> 00:14:52.520 to 1852 00:14:52.520 --> 00:14:52.970 get away 1853 00:14:52.970 --> 00:14:53.420 from that 1854 00:14:53.420 --> 00:14:54.080 nurse 1855 00:14:54.080 --> 00:14:54.440 that 1856 00:14:54.440 --> 00:14:54.890 was going 1857 00:14:54.890 --> 00:14:55.280 to, that 1858 00:14:55.280 --> 00:14:55.730 was giving 1859 00:14:55.730 --> 00:14:56.180 him 1860 00:14:56.180 --> 00:14:56.480 the 1861 00:14:56.480 --> 00:14:56.690 oral 1862 00:14:56.690 --> 00:14:56.990 polio 1863 00:14:56.990 --> 00:14:57.420 vaccine, 1864 00:14:57.420 --> 00:14:57.830 he spit it 1865 00:14:57.830 --> 00:14:58.220 out in 1866 00:14:58.220 --> 00:14:58.340 her 1867 00:14:58.340 --> 00:14:59.090 face. 1868 00:14:59.330 --> 00:15:00.050 The 1869 00:15:00.050 --> 00:15:00.860 shot. 1870 00:15:00.860 --> 00:15:01.310 My 1871 00:15:01.310 --> 00:15:01.790 mother and I 1872 00:15:01.820 --> 00:15:02.270 held him down 1873 00:15:02.270 --> 00:15:02.450 on the 1874 00:15:02.450 --> 00:15:02.960 table 1875 00:15:03.440 --> 00:15:03.800 to 1876 00:15:03.800 --> 00:15:04.250 give him that 1877 00:15:04.250 --> 00:15:04.760 shot. 1878 00:15:05.910 --> 00:15:06.450 Now 1879 00:15:06.450 --> 00:15:06.780 he had 1880 00:15:06.780 --> 00:15:07.110 had, 1881 00:15:07.110 --> 00:15:07.560 three weeks 1882 00:15:07.560 --> 00:15:07.980 earlier, he 1883 00:15:07.980 --> 00:15:08.310 had had a 1884 00:15:08.310 --> 00:15:08.700 bout with a 1885 00:15:08.700 --> 00:15:09.030 flu, 1886 00:15:09.030 --> 00:15:09.340 48 1887 00:15:09.340 --> 00:15:09.810 hour bout 1888 00:15:09.810 --> 00:15:10.200 with stomach 1889 00:15:10.200 --> 00:15:10.680 flu, they gave 1890 00:15:10.680 --> 00:15:10.830 him 1891 00:15:10.830 --> 00:15:11.520 antibiotics. 1892 00:15:11.520 --> 00:15:11.910 He had come 1893 00:15:11.910 --> 00:15:12.180 off of 1894 00:15:12.180 --> 00:15:12.870 antibiotics. 1895 00:15:12.870 --> 00:15:13.230 He 1896 00:15:13.380 --> 00:15:13.740 didn't have a 1897 00:15:13.740 --> 00:15:15.160 fever, 1898 00:15:15.160 --> 00:15:15.510 he 1899 00:15:15.510 --> 00:15:15.690 was 1900 00:15:15.690 --> 00:15:16.230 fine, 1901 00:15:16.230 --> 00:15:16.710 except for he 1902 00:15:16.710 --> 00:15:17.160 had traces 1903 00:15:17.160 --> 00:15:17.250 of 1904 00:15:17.250 --> 00:15:17.820 diarrhea. 1905 00:15:17.850 --> 00:15:18.180 Now, 1906 00:15:18.180 --> 00:15:18.570 whether it was 1907 00:15:18.570 --> 00:15:18.930 because of the 1908 00:15:18.930 --> 00:15:19.620 antibiotics 1909 00:15:19.620 --> 00:15:20.040 or because 1910 00:15:20.040 --> 00:15:20.430 he'd still 1911 00:15:20.430 --> 00:15:20.850 had viral 1912 00:15:20.850 --> 00:15:21.270 infection, 1913 00:15:21.270 --> 00:15:21.600 I don't 1914 00:15:21.600 --> 00:15:22.080 know. 1915 00:15:22.320 --> 00:15:22.680 All I 1916 00:15:22.680 --> 00:15:23.010 know is 1917 00:15:23.010 --> 00:15:23.220 wasn't 1918 00:15:23.220 --> 00:15:23.850 100% 1919 00:15:23.850 --> 00:15:24.240 well that 1920 00:15:24.240 --> 00:15:24.630 day. 1921 00:15:25.050 --> 00:15:25.410 Had 1922 00:15:25.410 --> 00:15:25.650 had a 1923 00:15:25.650 --> 00:15:26.310 reaction 1924 00:15:26.310 --> 00:15:26.790 on his third 1925 00:15:26.790 --> 00:15:27.210 shot. 1926 00:15:28.440 --> 00:15:28.830 We go 1927 00:15:28.830 --> 00:15:29.340 home 1928 00:15:29.340 --> 00:15:29.640 and 1929 00:15:29.640 --> 00:15:30.300 within 1930 00:15:30.300 --> 00:15:30.720 a couple 1931 00:15:30.720 --> 00:15:30.810 of 1932 00:15:30.810 --> 00:15:31.290 hours, 1933 00:15:31.290 --> 00:15:31.500 I 1934 00:15:31.500 --> 00:15:31.800 realized 1935 00:15:31.800 --> 00:15:32.070 how 1936 00:15:32.070 --> 00:15:32.550 silent it 1937 00:15:32.550 --> 00:15:33.030 was in the 1938 00:15:33.030 --> 00:15:33.750 house. 1939 00:15:33.930 --> 00:15:34.320 And 1940 00:15:34.320 --> 00:15:34.770 usually he 1941 00:15:34.770 --> 00:15:34.920 was 1942 00:15:34.920 --> 00:15:35.370 around 1943 00:15:35.370 --> 00:15:36.060 me, 1944 00:15:36.060 --> 00:15:36.510 and 1945 00:15:36.510 --> 00:15:37.020 I 1946 00:15:37.020 --> 00:15:37.440 called his 1947 00:15:37.440 --> 00:15:38.090 name, 1948 00:15:38.090 --> 00:15:38.280 no 1949 00:15:38.280 --> 00:15:39.060 response. 1950 00:15:40.060 --> 00:15:40.570 So 1951 00:15:40.570 --> 00:15:40.870 I went 1952 00:15:40.870 --> 00:15:41.590 upstairs 1953 00:15:41.590 --> 00:15:42.070 and 1954 00:15:42.070 --> 00:15:42.490 he was 1955 00:15:42.490 --> 00:15:42.820 in his 1956 00:15:42.820 --> 00:15:43.360 bedroom, 1957 00:15:43.360 --> 00:15:43.750 sitting 1958 00:15:43.750 --> 00:15:44.230 in a 1959 00:15:44.230 --> 00:15:44.740 chair, 1960 00:15:44.740 --> 00:15:44.890 his 1961 00:15:44.890 --> 00:15:45.280 rocking 1962 00:15:45.280 --> 00:15:45.610 chair, 1963 00:15:45.610 --> 00:15:46.000 and he 1964 00:15:46.000 --> 00:15:46.210 was 1965 00:15:46.210 --> 00:15:46.660 staring 1966 00:15:46.660 --> 00:15:46.930 straight 1967 00:15:46.930 --> 00:15:47.320 ahead, 1968 00:15:47.320 --> 00:15:47.710 like he 1969 00:15:47.710 --> 00:15:48.130 couldn't see 1970 00:15:48.160 --> 00:15:48.640 me in 1971 00:15:48.640 --> 00:15:48.730 the 1972 00:15:48.730 --> 00:15:49.390 doorway. 1973 00:15:49.390 --> 00:15:50.080 And 1974 00:15:50.080 --> 00:15:50.560 I called 1975 00:15:50.560 --> 00:15:50.860 out his 1976 00:15:50.860 --> 00:15:51.370 name 1977 00:15:51.370 --> 00:15:51.820 and he 1978 00:15:51.850 --> 00:15:52.300 didn't 1979 00:15:52.300 --> 00:15:53.290 respond 1980 00:15:53.290 --> 00:15:53.770 . And 1981 00:15:53.770 --> 00:15:54.190 I called 1982 00:15:54.190 --> 00:15:54.430 it out 1983 00:15:54.430 --> 00:15:54.790 again, 1984 00:15:54.790 --> 00:15:55.150 and his 1985 00:15:55.150 --> 00:15:55.450 eyes 1986 00:15:55.450 --> 00:15:55.930 rolled back 1987 00:15:55.930 --> 00:15:56.380 in his head 1988 00:15:56.380 --> 00:15:56.740 till I could 1989 00:15:56.740 --> 00:15:57.010 see the 1990 00:15:57.010 --> 00:15:57.370 whites of 1991 00:15:57.370 --> 00:15:57.520 his 1992 00:15:57.520 --> 00:15:58.240 eyes, 1993 00:15:58.240 --> 00:15:58.660 and 1994 00:15:58.660 --> 00:15:58.990 his head 1995 00:15:58.990 --> 00:15:59.440 fell to his 1996 00:15:59.440 --> 00:15:59.770 shoulder 1997 00:15:59.770 --> 00:16:00.100 like he'd 1998 00:16:00.100 --> 00:16:00.370 fallen 1999 00:16:00.370 --> 00:16:00.730 asleep 2000 00:16:00.730 --> 00:16:01.000 sitting 2001 00:16:01.000 --> 00:16:01.330 up. 2002 00:16:01.990 --> 00:16:02.440 And I thought, 2003 00:16:02.440 --> 00:16:02.830 well that's 2004 00:16:02.830 --> 00:16:03.070 really 2005 00:16:03.070 --> 00:16:03.880 weird. 2006 00:16:04.270 --> 00:16:04.630 And I 2007 00:16:04.630 --> 00:16:05.080 went over 2008 00:16:05.080 --> 00:16:05.440 and I 2009 00:16:05.440 --> 00:16:05.800 tried to 2010 00:16:05.800 --> 00:16:06.100 wake him 2011 00:16:06.100 --> 00:16:06.460 up 2012 00:16:06.460 --> 00:16:06.790 and I 2013 00:16:06.790 --> 00:16:07.210 couldn't wake 2014 00:16:07.210 --> 00:16:07.330 him 2015 00:16:07.330 --> 00:16:07.810 up. 2016 00:16:08.290 --> 00:16:08.470 I 2017 00:16:08.470 --> 00:16:08.860 thought, 2018 00:16:08.860 --> 00:16:09.310 he must 2019 00:16:09.310 --> 00:16:09.670 be coming 2020 00:16:09.670 --> 00:16:10.060 down 2021 00:16:10.060 --> 00:16:10.390 with the 2022 00:16:10.390 --> 00:16:10.840 relapse of 2023 00:16:10.840 --> 00:16:11.290 the flu 2024 00:16:11.290 --> 00:16:11.410 or 2025 00:16:11.410 --> 00:16:12.220 something. 2026 00:16:12.490 --> 00:16:12.910 I 2027 00:16:12.910 --> 00:16:13.240 picked him 2028 00:16:13.240 --> 00:16:13.660 up, he was 2029 00:16:13.660 --> 00:16:13.960 a dead 2030 00:16:13.960 --> 00:16:14.500 weight. 2031 00:16:14.500 --> 00:16:14.980 I put 2032 00:16:14.980 --> 00:16:15.250 him in 2033 00:16:15.250 --> 00:16:15.490 his 2034 00:16:15.490 --> 00:16:15.880 bed 2035 00:16:15.880 --> 00:16:16.030 and 2036 00:16:16.030 --> 00:16:16.420 he 2037 00:16:16.420 --> 00:16:16.900 laid there and I 2038 00:16:16.900 --> 00:16:17.320 thought, 2039 00:16:18.040 --> 00:16:18.460 he 2040 00:16:18.460 --> 00:16:18.790 needs a 2041 00:16:18.790 --> 00:16:19.210 nap, he 2042 00:16:19.210 --> 00:16:19.510 needs to 2043 00:16:19.510 --> 00:16:19.900 sleep, 2044 00:16:19.900 --> 00:16:20.050 you 2045 00:16:20.050 --> 00:16:20.650 know 2046 00:16:21.010 --> 00:16:21.400 . My 2047 00:16:21.400 --> 00:16:21.880 mother calls 2048 00:16:21.880 --> 00:16:22.330 me several 2049 00:16:22.330 --> 00:16:22.720 hours later 2050 00:16:22.720 --> 00:16:22.840 and 2051 00:16:22.840 --> 00:16:23.290 says, 2052 00:16:23.290 --> 00:16:23.620 how's 2053 00:16:23.620 --> 00:16:24.250 Chris? 2054 00:16:24.580 --> 00:16:24.970 I said, 2055 00:16:24.970 --> 00:16:25.360 he's still 2056 00:16:25.360 --> 00:16:25.760 sleeping, 2057 00:16:25.760 --> 00:16:25.990 he's been 2058 00:16:25.990 --> 00:16:26.440 sleeping for 2059 00:16:26.440 --> 00:16:27.280 hours. 2060 00:16:27.280 --> 00:16:27.700 She 2061 00:16:27.700 --> 00:16:28.120 said, 2062 00:16:28.120 --> 00:16:28.510 that's 2063 00:16:28.510 --> 00:16:28.720 not 2064 00:16:28.720 --> 00:16:29.410 normal. 2065 00:16:29.410 --> 00:16:29.890 You need 2066 00:16:29.890 --> 00:16:30.310 to go wake 2067 00:16:30.310 --> 00:16:30.460 him 2068 00:16:30.460 --> 00:16:31.030 up. 2069 00:16:31.750 --> 00:16:32.290 So 2070 00:16:32.290 --> 00:16:32.590 I went 2071 00:16:32.590 --> 00:16:33.070 upstairs, 2072 00:16:33.070 --> 00:16:33.520 I 2073 00:16:33.520 --> 00:16:33.940 couldn't wake 2074 00:16:33.940 --> 00:16:34.060 him 2075 00:16:34.060 --> 00:16:34.510 up. 2076 00:16:34.960 --> 00:16:35.440 And 2077 00:16:35.440 --> 00:16:35.860 so I 2078 00:16:35.860 --> 00:16:36.250 got in the 2079 00:16:36.250 --> 00:16:36.730 bed and I 2080 00:16:36.730 --> 00:16:36.940 put 2081 00:16:36.940 --> 00:16:37.300 his 2082 00:16:37.300 --> 00:16:38.110 back 2083 00:16:38.110 --> 00:16:38.440 against 2084 00:16:38.440 --> 00:16:38.620 my 2085 00:16:38.620 --> 00:16:39.310 chest, 2086 00:16:39.310 --> 00:16:39.670 and 2087 00:16:39.670 --> 00:16:40.060 I rocked 2088 00:16:40.060 --> 00:16:40.420 back and 2089 00:16:40.420 --> 00:16:40.960 forth 2090 00:16:41.110 --> 00:16:41.770 yelling 2091 00:16:41.770 --> 00:16:41.980 his 2092 00:16:41.980 --> 00:16:42.670 name. 2093 00:16:42.850 --> 00:16:43.390 And 2094 00:16:43.390 --> 00:16:43.540 he 2095 00:16:43.540 --> 00:16:44.110 finally, 2096 00:16:44.110 --> 00:16:44.380 like, 2097 00:16:44.380 --> 00:16:44.680 came 2098 00:16:44.680 --> 00:16:44.890 to 2099 00:16:44.890 --> 00:16:45.690 consciousness, 2100 00:16:45.690 --> 00:16:45.940 he was 2101 00:16:45.940 --> 00:16:46.390 basically 2102 00:16:46.390 --> 00:16:47.380 unconscious. 2103 00:16:47.380 --> 00:16:48.100 And 2104 00:16:48.100 --> 00:16:48.670 he, 2105 00:16:48.670 --> 00:16:49.060 I couldn't, 2106 00:16:49.090 --> 00:16:49.450 he couldn't 2107 00:16:49.450 --> 00:16:49.920 sit up, 2108 00:16:49.920 --> 00:16:50.110 he 2109 00:16:50.110 --> 00:16:50.620 couldn't 2110 00:16:50.620 --> 00:16:51.100 walk. He 2111 00:16:51.100 --> 00:16:51.310 said 2112 00:16:51.310 --> 00:16:51.970 bathroom. 2113 00:16:51.970 --> 00:16:52.120 I 2114 00:16:53.020 --> 00:16:53.500 picked 2115 00:16:53.500 --> 00:16:53.920 him up, 2116 00:16:53.920 --> 00:16:54.370 brought him to the 2117 00:16:54.370 --> 00:16:54.850 bathroom, 2118 00:16:54.850 --> 00:16:55.150 he had 2119 00:16:55.150 --> 00:16:55.780 like, 2120 00:16:55.810 --> 00:16:56.140 it 2121 00:16:56.140 --> 00:16:56.500 looked, it 2122 00:16:56.500 --> 00:16:56.710 was 2123 00:16:56.710 --> 00:16:57.250 black 2124 00:16:57.250 --> 00:16:57.970 diarrhea 2125 00:16:58.390 --> 00:16:58.570 . 2126 00:16:58.570 --> 00:16:59.670 Completely, 2127 00:16:59.670 --> 00:17:00.070 bow I 2128 00:17:00.070 --> 00:17:00.400 know, 2129 00:17:00.400 --> 00:17:01.270 toxic, 2130 00:17:01.270 --> 00:17:01.510 a 2131 00:17:01.510 --> 00:17:02.020 toxic 2132 00:17:02.020 --> 00:17:02.530 expulsion 2133 00:17:02.530 --> 00:17:02.650 of 2134 00:17:02.650 --> 00:17:03.040 toxins 2135 00:17:03.040 --> 00:17:03.400 from his 2136 00:17:03.400 --> 00:17:03.900 body, 2137 00:17:03.900 --> 00:17:04.330 right? 2138 00:17:05.110 --> 00:17:05.500 I 2139 00:17:05.530 --> 00:17:05.920 cleaned him 2140 00:17:05.920 --> 00:17:06.340 up, I put 2141 00:17:06.340 --> 00:17:06.520 him 2142 00:17:06.520 --> 00:17:06.940 back, he 2143 00:17:06.940 --> 00:17:07.270 slept 2144 00:17:07.270 --> 00:17:07.720 12 more 2145 00:17:07.720 --> 00:17:08.440 hours. 2146 00:17:08.440 --> 00:17:08.830 When 2147 00:17:08.830 --> 00:17:09.220 he woke 2148 00:17:09.220 --> 00:17:09.760 up, 2149 00:17:09.760 --> 00:17:10.240 he was 2150 00:17:10.240 --> 00:17:10.540 very 2151 00:17:10.540 --> 00:17:11.200 pale. 2152 00:17:12.140 --> 00:17:12.530 But 2153 00:17:12.530 --> 00:17:12.970 he was, 2154 00:17:12.970 --> 00:17:13.400 he seemed to 2155 00:17:13.400 --> 00:17:13.550 be 2156 00:17:13.550 --> 00:17:14.370 okay, 2157 00:17:14.370 --> 00:17:14.720 but 2158 00:17:14.720 --> 00:17:15.200 he, 2159 00:17:15.200 --> 00:17:15.650 in the 2160 00:17:15.650 --> 00:17:16.190 succeeding 2161 00:17:16.190 --> 00:17:16.640 days and 2162 00:17:16.640 --> 00:17:17.450 weeks, 2163 00:17:17.450 --> 00:17:17.900 he 2164 00:17:17.900 --> 00:17:18.320 couldn't do 2165 00:17:18.320 --> 00:17:18.800 the things he 2166 00:17:18.800 --> 00:17:19.100 could do 2167 00:17:19.100 --> 00:17:19.790 before. 2168 00:17:20.120 --> 00:17:20.570 He 2169 00:17:20.570 --> 00:17:21.170 couldn't 2170 00:17:21.170 --> 00:17:21.920 identify 2171 00:17:21.920 --> 00:17:22.370 words in the 2172 00:17:22.370 --> 00:17:22.610 books 2173 00:17:22.610 --> 00:17:23.030 anymore 2174 00:17:23.060 --> 00:17:23.330 that we 2175 00:17:23.330 --> 00:17:23.630 read. 2176 00:17:23.630 --> 00:17:24.110 He couldn't 2177 00:17:24.110 --> 00:17:24.470 read the 2178 00:17:24.470 --> 00:17:24.920 books, he'd 2179 00:17:24.920 --> 00:17:25.250 throw the 2180 00:17:25.250 --> 00:17:25.580 books 2181 00:17:25.580 --> 00:17:26.060 across the 2182 00:17:26.060 --> 00:17:26.630 room. 2183 00:17:26.990 --> 00:17:27.560 He 2184 00:17:27.560 --> 00:17:27.950 didn't know 2185 00:17:27.950 --> 00:17:28.370 his numbers 2186 00:17:28.370 --> 00:17:28.610 up to 2187 00:17:28.610 --> 00:17:29.090 20 like 2188 00:17:29.090 --> 00:17:29.360 he did 2189 00:17:29.360 --> 00:17:29.870 before. 2190 00:17:29.870 --> 00:17:30.230 He had 2191 00:17:30.230 --> 00:17:30.650 memorized 2192 00:17:30.650 --> 00:17:31.040 the deck of 2193 00:17:31.040 --> 00:17:31.520 cards and he 2194 00:17:31.520 --> 00:17:31.910 would play 2195 00:17:31.910 --> 00:17:32.330 a, they 2196 00:17:32.330 --> 00:17:32.540 had 2197 00:17:32.540 --> 00:17:32.870 Card 2198 00:17:32.870 --> 00:17:33.200 Sharks 2199 00:17:33.200 --> 00:17:33.410 was 2200 00:17:33.410 --> 00:17:33.860 a 2201 00:17:33.860 --> 00:17:34.310 game on 2202 00:17:34.310 --> 00:17:34.970 television, 2203 00:17:34.970 --> 00:17:35.330 and 2204 00:17:35.330 --> 00:17:35.780 he would, he 2205 00:17:35.780 --> 00:17:35.960 had 2206 00:17:35.960 --> 00:17:36.440 memorized the 2207 00:17:36.440 --> 00:17:36.710 deck of 2208 00:17:36.710 --> 00:17:37.460 cards, 2209 00:17:37.880 --> 00:17:38.360 would not 2210 00:17:38.360 --> 00:17:38.720 play with 2211 00:17:38.720 --> 00:17:39.170 his cards 2212 00:17:39.170 --> 00:17:39.890 anymore. 2213 00:17:40.190 --> 00:17:40.730 He 2214 00:17:40.730 --> 00:17:41.210 cried at the 2215 00:17:41.210 --> 00:17:41.660 drop of a 2216 00:17:41.660 --> 00:17:42.160 hat, 2217 00:17:42.160 --> 00:17:42.560 he was 2218 00:17:42.560 --> 00:17:43.180 frustrated, 2219 00:17:43.180 --> 00:17:43.490 he was 2220 00:17:43.490 --> 00:17:44.930 angry, 2221 00:17:44.930 --> 00:17:45.470 and 2222 00:17:45.470 --> 00:17:45.890 we all. 2223 00:17:45.890 --> 00:17:46.310 And then 2224 00:17:46.310 --> 00:17:46.730 he had 2225 00:17:46.730 --> 00:17:47.180 constant 2226 00:17:47.180 --> 00:17:47.300 ear 2227 00:17:47.300 --> 00:17:47.870 infections, 2228 00:17:47.870 --> 00:17:48.350 constant 2229 00:17:48.350 --> 00:17:49.040 respiratory 2230 00:17:49.040 --> 00:17:49.640 infections, 2231 00:17:49.640 --> 00:17:50.300 constant 2232 00:17:50.300 --> 00:17:51.170 diarrhea. 2233 00:17:51.760 --> 00:17:52.390 Became 2234 00:17:52.390 --> 00:17:53.020 emaciated, 2235 00:17:53.020 --> 00:17:53.380 failed to 2236 00:17:53.380 --> 00:17:53.830 thrive. 2237 00:17:53.830 --> 00:17:54.310 I took him to 2238 00:17:54.310 --> 00:17:54.730 the doctor, 2239 00:17:54.730 --> 00:17:54.880 they 2240 00:17:54.880 --> 00:17:55.510 said, 2241 00:17:55.510 --> 00:17:55.870 it's 2242 00:17:55.870 --> 00:17:56.140 just a 2243 00:17:56.140 --> 00:17:56.560 stage he's 2244 00:17:56.560 --> 00:17:56.770 going 2245 00:17:56.770 --> 00:17:57.310 through. 2246 00:17:57.910 --> 00:17:58.330 Don't 2247 00:17:58.330 --> 00:17:58.810 worry about 2248 00:17:58.810 --> 00:17:59.290 it, it's just 2249 00:17:59.290 --> 00:17:59.380 a 2250 00:17:59.380 --> 00:18:00.190 stage. 2251 00:18:00.220 --> 00:18:00.580 I 2252 00:18:00.580 --> 00:18:00.940 went, but 2253 00:18:00.940 --> 00:18:01.150 he's 2254 00:18:01.150 --> 00:18:01.720 sick. 2255 00:18:02.610 --> 00:18:03.180 Finally 2256 00:18:03.180 --> 00:18:03.570 put him 2257 00:18:03.570 --> 00:18:04.050 to another 2258 00:18:04.050 --> 00:18:04.420 doctor, 2259 00:18:04.420 --> 00:18:04.890 they tested 2260 00:18:04.890 --> 00:18:05.190 him for 2261 00:18:05.190 --> 00:18:05.490 cystic 2262 00:18:05.490 --> 00:18:06.480 fibrosis, 2263 00:18:06.480 --> 00:18:06.990 tested 2264 00:18:06.990 --> 00:18:07.260 him for 2265 00:18:07.260 --> 00:18:07.650 celiac 2266 00:18:07.650 --> 00:18:08.100 disease. 2267 00:18:08.100 --> 00:18:08.430 All the 2268 00:18:08.430 --> 00:18:08.820 tests came 2269 00:18:08.820 --> 00:18:09.000 back 2270 00:18:09.000 --> 00:18:09.420 negative. 2271 00:18:09.420 --> 00:18:09.540 They 2272 00:18:09.540 --> 00:18:09.990 said, 2273 00:18:09.990 --> 00:18:10.440 we don't 2274 00:18:10.440 --> 00:18:10.890 know what's wrong 2275 00:18:10.890 --> 00:18:11.040 with 2276 00:18:11.040 --> 00:18:11.490 him. 2277 00:18:13.690 --> 00:18:14.650 Eventually 2278 00:18:14.650 --> 00:18:15.040 he 2279 00:18:15.040 --> 00:18:15.190 is 2280 00:18:15.190 --> 00:18:16.160 diagnosed, 2281 00:18:16.160 --> 00:18:16.480 this 2282 00:18:16.480 --> 00:18:16.900 bright 2283 00:18:16.900 --> 00:18:17.620 kid, 2284 00:18:17.620 --> 00:18:18.280 formerly 2285 00:18:18.280 --> 00:18:18.550 bright 2286 00:18:18.550 --> 00:18:19.330 kid, 2287 00:18:19.330 --> 00:18:20.110 with 2288 00:18:20.110 --> 00:18:20.590 minimal 2289 00:18:20.590 --> 00:18:20.860 brain 2290 00:18:20.860 --> 00:18:22.090 damage, 2291 00:18:22.090 --> 00:18:23.180 multiple 2292 00:18:23.180 --> 00:18:23.420 learning 2293 00:18:23.420 --> 00:18:24.350 disabilities, 2294 00:18:24.350 --> 00:18:25.070 ADD, 2295 00:18:25.520 --> 00:18:26.750 dyslexia, 2296 00:18:26.750 --> 00:18:27.140 fine 2297 00:18:27.140 --> 00:18:27.620 motor skill 2298 00:18:27.620 --> 00:18:27.980 delay, 2299 00:18:27.980 --> 00:18:28.400 auditory 2300 00:18:28.400 --> 00:18:28.910 processing 2301 00:18:28.910 --> 00:18:29.360 deficit 2302 00:18:29.360 --> 00:18:29.600 so 2303 00:18:29.600 --> 00:18:30.500 severe 2304 00:18:30.500 --> 00:18:30.950 that 2305 00:18:30.950 --> 00:18:31.370 he had 2306 00:18:31.370 --> 00:18:31.760 to be 2307 00:18:31.760 --> 00:18:32.030 in a 2308 00:18:32.030 --> 00:18:32.720 self-contained 2309 00:18:32.720 --> 00:18:33.650 classroom 2310 00:18:33.650 --> 00:18:34.070 in 2311 00:18:34.070 --> 00:18:34.550 the special 2312 00:18:34.550 --> 00:18:35.120 education 2313 00:18:35.120 --> 00:18:35.870 classroom 2314 00:18:35.870 --> 00:18:36.440 throughout 2315 00:18:36.440 --> 00:18:36.650 his 2316 00:18:36.650 --> 00:18:37.040 entire 2317 00:18:37.040 --> 00:18:37.340 12 2318 00:18:37.340 --> 00:18:37.970 years. 2319 00:18:40.440 --> 00:18:40.860 And, you 2320 00:18:40.860 --> 00:18:41.520 know, 2321 00:18:41.520 --> 00:18:42.000 there are 2322 00:18:42.000 --> 00:18:42.330 a lot of 2323 00:18:42.330 --> 00:18:42.780 kids like 2324 00:18:42.780 --> 00:18:43.500 Chris 2325 00:18:43.740 --> 00:18:44.190 that are 2326 00:18:44.190 --> 00:18:44.490 never 2327 00:18:44.490 --> 00:18:45.210 recognized, 2328 00:18:45.210 --> 00:18:45.420 that 2329 00:18:45.420 --> 00:18:45.810 their 2330 00:18:45.810 --> 00:18:46.440 multiple 2331 00:18:46.440 --> 00:18:46.740 learning 2332 00:18:46.740 --> 00:18:47.490 disabilities, 2333 00:18:47.490 --> 00:18:47.760 their 2334 00:18:47.760 --> 00:18:48.210 ADD, 2335 00:18:48.240 --> 00:18:48.510 their 2336 00:18:48.510 --> 00:18:49.650 ADHD 2337 00:18:49.650 --> 00:18:50.220 can 2338 00:18:50.220 --> 00:18:50.400 be 2339 00:18:50.400 --> 00:18:50.730 traced 2340 00:18:50.730 --> 00:18:51.090 back 2341 00:18:51.090 --> 00:18:51.360 to a 2342 00:18:51.360 --> 00:18:51.870 reaction 2343 00:18:51.870 --> 00:18:52.350 that 2344 00:18:52.350 --> 00:18:52.710 their 2345 00:18:52.710 --> 00:18:53.130 mother 2346 00:18:53.130 --> 00:18:53.310 did 2347 00:18:53.310 --> 00:18:53.640 not 2348 00:18:53.640 --> 00:18:53.970 walk 2349 00:18:53.970 --> 00:18:54.150 in 2350 00:18:54.150 --> 00:18:54.780 on. 2351 00:18:55.920 --> 00:18:56.460 I 2352 00:18:56.460 --> 00:18:56.880 walked in 2353 00:18:56.880 --> 00:18:57.360 on it. 2354 00:18:57.360 --> 00:18:57.840 I had 2355 00:18:57.840 --> 00:18:58.230 a two and 2356 00:18:58.230 --> 00:18:58.710 a half year 2357 00:18:58.710 --> 00:18:59.130 old that 2358 00:18:59.130 --> 00:18:59.370 I 2359 00:18:59.370 --> 00:19:00.150 knew 2360 00:19:00.450 --> 00:19:00.840 what 2361 00:19:00.840 --> 00:19:01.170 he was 2362 00:19:01.170 --> 00:19:01.830 before 2363 00:19:01.830 --> 00:19:02.220 and what 2364 00:19:02.220 --> 00:19:02.520 he was 2365 00:19:02.520 --> 00:19:03.030 after 2366 00:19:03.030 --> 00:19:03.360 . When 2367 00:19:03.360 --> 00:19:03.720 I saw 2368 00:19:03.720 --> 00:19:03.930 that 2369 00:19:03.930 --> 00:19:04.410 program a 2370 00:19:04.410 --> 00:19:04.800 nd then I 2371 00:19:04.800 --> 00:19:05.070 did the 2372 00:19:05.070 --> 00:19:05.700 research 2373 00:19:05.700 --> 00:19:05.910 and 2374 00:19:05.910 --> 00:19:06.210 I, 2375 00:19:06.210 --> 00:19:06.540 I 2376 00:19:06.540 --> 00:19:06.840 see the 2377 00:19:06.840 --> 00:19:08.010 descriptions 2378 00:19:08.010 --> 00:19:08.430 in 2379 00:19:08.430 --> 00:19:08.910 the medical 2380 00:19:08.910 --> 00:19:09.900 literature. 2381 00:19:09.900 --> 00:19:10.350 He 2382 00:19:10.350 --> 00:19:10.710 had a 2383 00:19:10.710 --> 00:19:11.730 convulsion 2384 00:19:11.730 --> 00:19:12.210 when 2385 00:19:12.210 --> 00:19:12.690 his eyes 2386 00:19:12.690 --> 00:19:13.140 rolled back 2387 00:19:13.140 --> 00:19:13.380 in his 2388 00:19:13.380 --> 00:19:13.830 head. 2389 00:19:13.830 --> 00:19:14.190 He 2390 00:19:14.190 --> 00:19:14.670 had a 2391 00:19:14.670 --> 00:19:15.330 classic 2392 00:19:15.330 --> 00:19:16.260 hypotonic, 2393 00:19:16.260 --> 00:19:17.310 hyporesponsive 2394 00:19:17.310 --> 00:19:17.970 episode 2395 00:19:17.970 --> 00:19:18.570 connected 2396 00:19:18.570 --> 00:19:18.750 with 2397 00:19:18.750 --> 00:19:19.230 pertussis 2398 00:19:19.230 --> 00:19:19.830 vaccine, 2399 00:19:19.830 --> 00:19:20.430 collapse 2400 00:19:20.430 --> 00:19:21.090 shock. 2401 00:19:21.090 --> 00:19:21.570 When 2402 00:19:21.570 --> 00:19:21.960 he was in 2403 00:19:21.960 --> 00:19:22.410 his bed 2404 00:19:22.410 --> 00:19:22.620 not 2405 00:19:22.620 --> 00:19:23.410 moving, 2406 00:19:23.410 --> 00:19:23.760 he was 2407 00:19:23.760 --> 00:19:24.180 having an 2408 00:19:24.180 --> 00:19:24.480 acute 2409 00:19:24.480 --> 00:19:25.380 encephalopathy, 2410 00:19:25.410 --> 00:19:25.740 a brain 2411 00:19:25.740 --> 00:19:26.730 inflammation, 2412 00:19:27.000 --> 00:19:27.330 and 2413 00:19:27.330 --> 00:19:27.690 then he 2414 00:19:27.690 --> 00:19:27.960 had 2415 00:19:27.960 --> 00:19:28.500 chronic 2416 00:19:28.500 --> 00:19:29.310 neurological 2417 00:19:29.310 --> 00:19:30.180 dysfunction. 2418 00:19:32.190 --> 00:19:32.550 And 2419 00:19:32.550 --> 00:19:33.030 I thought to 2420 00:19:33.030 --> 00:19:33.570 myself 2421 00:19:33.570 --> 00:19:33.960 when I 2422 00:19:33.960 --> 00:19:34.470 understood 2423 00:19:34.470 --> 00:19:34.770 what had 2424 00:19:34.770 --> 00:19:35.610 happened, 2425 00:19:36.290 --> 00:19:36.710 I 2426 00:19:36.710 --> 00:19:37.160 said, 2427 00:19:37.160 --> 00:19:37.640 parents 2428 00:19:37.640 --> 00:19:37.940 have been 2429 00:19:37.940 --> 00:19:38.300 told 2430 00:19:38.300 --> 00:19:39.200 nothing 2431 00:19:39.200 --> 00:19:39.740 about 2432 00:19:39.740 --> 00:19:39.950 this 2433 00:19:39.950 --> 00:19:40.820 vaccine. 2434 00:19:40.820 --> 00:19:41.420 No 2435 00:19:41.420 --> 00:19:43.000 information 2436 00:19:43.000 --> 00:19:43.370 was 2437 00:19:43.370 --> 00:19:43.730 given to 2438 00:19:43.730 --> 00:19:44.180 parents at 2439 00:19:44.180 --> 00:19:44.270 the 2440 00:19:44.270 --> 00:19:44.900 time. 2441 00:19:44.900 --> 00:19:45.380 So 2442 00:19:45.380 --> 00:19:45.740 when I 2443 00:19:45.740 --> 00:19:46.160 called that 2444 00:19:46.160 --> 00:19:46.580 station, 2445 00:19:46.580 --> 00:19:46.850 I 2446 00:19:46.850 --> 00:19:47.300 met with 2447 00:19:47.300 --> 00:19:47.660 Kathi 2448 00:19:47.660 --> 00:19:48.140 Williams 2449 00:19:48.140 --> 00:19:48.410 and 2450 00:19:48.410 --> 00:19:48.650 Jeff 2451 00:19:48.650 --> 00:19:49.250 Schwartz, 2452 00:19:49.250 --> 00:19:49.640 who 2453 00:19:49.640 --> 00:19:49.970 was an 2454 00:19:49.970 --> 00:19:50.630 environmental 2455 00:19:50.630 --> 00:19:50.870 law 2456 00:19:50.870 --> 00:19:51.680 attorney, 2457 00:19:52.190 --> 00:19:52.550 who 2458 00:19:52.550 --> 00:19:52.760 was 2459 00:19:52.760 --> 00:19:53.390 working, 2460 00:19:53.390 --> 00:19:53.720 would 2461 00:19:53.720 --> 00:19:54.170 always be 2462 00:19:54.170 --> 00:19:54.640 on the Hill, 2463 00:19:54.640 --> 00:19:55.100 he was part 2464 00:19:55.100 --> 00:19:55.460 of a law 2465 00:19:55.460 --> 00:19:56.090 firm 2466 00:19:56.390 --> 00:19:56.780 on 2467 00:19:56.780 --> 00:19:57.320 environmental 2468 00:19:57.320 --> 00:19:57.770 law, he 2469 00:19:57.770 --> 00:19:58.100 actually 2470 00:19:58.100 --> 00:19:58.370 did 2471 00:19:58.370 --> 00:19:58.850 part of the 2472 00:19:58.850 --> 00:19:59.330 Clean Air 2473 00:19:59.330 --> 00:19:59.660 Act 2474 00:19:59.660 --> 00:20:00.470 amendments. 2475 00:20:01.160 --> 00:20:01.610 His little 2476 00:20:01.610 --> 00:20:02.210 girl, 2477 00:20:02.210 --> 00:20:02.990 Julie, 2478 00:20:02.990 --> 00:20:03.350 had 2479 00:20:03.350 --> 00:20:03.680 had 2480 00:20:03.680 --> 00:20:03.890 a 2481 00:20:03.890 --> 00:20:04.320 seizure 2482 00:20:04.320 --> 00:20:04.700 reaction 2483 00:20:04.700 --> 00:20:05.000 after 2484 00:20:05.000 --> 00:20:05.570 DPT. 2485 00:20:06.080 --> 00:20:06.590 She 2486 00:20:06.590 --> 00:20:07.070 eventually 2487 00:20:07.070 --> 00:20:07.550 died 2488 00:20:07.550 --> 00:20:07.820 in the 2489 00:20:07.820 --> 00:20:08.450 process 2490 00:20:08.450 --> 00:20:08.930 of this 2491 00:20:08.930 --> 00:20:09.350 law 2492 00:20:09.350 --> 00:20:09.680 being 2493 00:20:09.680 --> 00:20:10.490 passed, 2494 00:20:10.670 --> 00:20:11.390 and 2495 00:20:11.390 --> 00:20:11.630 she 2496 00:20:11.630 --> 00:20:12.200 had 2497 00:20:12.200 --> 00:20:12.620 grand 2498 00:20:12.620 --> 00:20:12.860 mal 2499 00:20:12.860 --> 00:20:13.280 seizures 2500 00:20:13.280 --> 00:20:13.640 that weren't 2501 00:20:13.640 --> 00:20:14.060 controlled by 2502 00:20:14.060 --> 00:20:14.930 medication. 2503 00:20:15.230 --> 00:20:15.860 So 2504 00:20:15.860 --> 00:20:16.490 Kathi, 2505 00:20:16.490 --> 00:20:16.820 who 2506 00:20:16.820 --> 00:20:17.420 was 2507 00:20:17.420 --> 00:20:17.900 actually a 2508 00:20:17.900 --> 00:20:18.740 cosmetologist, 2509 00:20:18.740 --> 00:20:19.280 hairdresser, 2510 00:20:19.280 --> 00:20:19.880 she 2511 00:20:20.660 --> 00:20:21.140 organized 2512 00:20:21.140 --> 00:20:21.260 the 2513 00:20:21.260 --> 00:20:22.250 organization, 2514 00:20:22.250 --> 00:20:22.670 okay, 2515 00:20:22.670 --> 00:20:23.120 she, with 2516 00:20:23.120 --> 00:20:23.210 the 2517 00:20:23.210 --> 00:20:23.720 people. 2518 00:20:23.720 --> 00:20:24.200 Jeff 2519 00:20:24.200 --> 00:20:24.560 was the 2520 00:20:24.560 --> 00:20:24.830 main 2521 00:20:24.830 --> 00:20:25.940 negotiator 2522 00:20:25.940 --> 00:20:26.420 on 2523 00:20:26.420 --> 00:20:26.570 the 2524 00:20:26.570 --> 00:20:27.320 Hill 2525 00:20:27.320 --> 00:20:27.980 because 2526 00:20:27.980 --> 00:20:28.340 he had 2527 00:20:28.340 --> 00:20:28.910 contacts 2528 00:20:28.910 --> 00:20:29.330 with both 2529 00:20:29.330 --> 00:20:29.630 Edward 2530 00:20:29.630 --> 00:20:30.320 Kennedy 2531 00:20:30.320 --> 00:20:30.800 and 2532 00:20:30.800 --> 00:20:31.100 Henry 2533 00:20:31.100 --> 00:20:31.610 Waxman's 2534 00:20:31.610 --> 00:20:32.090 offices 2535 00:20:32.090 --> 00:20:32.390 in their 2536 00:20:32.390 --> 00:20:33.140 staff. 2537 00:20:33.140 --> 00:20:33.590 He 2538 00:20:33.590 --> 00:20:34.040 also had 2539 00:20:34.040 --> 00:20:34.460 contacts 2540 00:20:34.460 --> 00:20:34.670 with the 2541 00:20:34.670 --> 00:20:35.000 American 2542 00:20:35.000 --> 00:20:35.420 Academy of 2543 00:20:35.420 --> 00:20:36.780 Pediatrics, 2544 00:20:36.780 --> 00:20:37.100 the 2545 00:20:37.100 --> 00:20:37.520 guy who 2546 00:20:37.520 --> 00:20:38.000 was 2547 00:20:38.000 --> 00:20:38.450 doing 2548 00:20:38.450 --> 00:20:38.840 lobbying 2549 00:20:38.840 --> 00:20:39.320 up on the Hill 2550 00:20:39.320 --> 00:20:39.530 for 2551 00:20:39.530 --> 00:20:40.160 AAP. 2552 00:20:40.910 --> 00:20:41.450 I 2553 00:20:41.450 --> 00:20:41.750 was 2554 00:20:41.750 --> 00:20:42.260 a 2555 00:20:42.590 --> 00:20:43.250 medical 2556 00:20:43.250 --> 00:20:43.670 writer. 2557 00:20:43.670 --> 00:20:44.000 And what 2558 00:20:44.000 --> 00:20:44.300 year 2559 00:20:44.360 --> 00:20:44.540 was 2560 00:20:44.540 --> 00:20:45.170 this, 2561 00:20:45.170 --> 00:20:45.530 this show 2562 00:20:45.560 --> 00:20:46.370 . 2563 00:20:46.370 --> 00:20:46.380 This is 1982, in 2564 00:20:47.240 --> 00:20:47.600 April of 2565 00:20:47.600 --> 00:20:48.410 1982. 2566 00:20:48.800 --> 00:20:49.070 And 2567 00:20:49.070 --> 00:20:49.430 within 2568 00:20:49.430 --> 00:20:49.910 weeks 2569 00:20:49.910 --> 00:20:50.180 we 2570 00:20:50.180 --> 00:20:50.420 got 2571 00:20:50.420 --> 00:20:51.130 together, 2572 00:20:51.130 --> 00:20:51.260 we 2573 00:20:51.260 --> 00:20:52.070 met, 2574 00:20:52.070 --> 00:20:52.850 Kathi, 2575 00:20:52.850 --> 00:20:53.240 Jeff and 2576 00:20:53.240 --> 00:20:53.720 I, 2577 00:20:53.960 --> 00:20:54.440 and 2578 00:20:54.440 --> 00:20:54.620 we 2579 00:20:54.620 --> 00:20:55.080 said, 2580 00:20:55.080 --> 00:20:55.490 and Jeff 2581 00:20:55.490 --> 00:20:55.850 said, there 2582 00:20:55.850 --> 00:20:56.330 needs to be a 2583 00:20:56.330 --> 00:20:56.780 congressional 2584 00:20:56.780 --> 00:20:57.770 investigation. 2585 00:20:57.980 --> 00:20:58.460 And we 2586 00:20:58.460 --> 00:20:58.610 said 2587 00:20:58.610 --> 00:20:59.390 yes. 2588 00:20:59.390 --> 00:21:00.140 And 2589 00:21:00.140 --> 00:21:00.590 the 2590 00:21:00.590 --> 00:21:01.070 first thing 2591 00:21:01.070 --> 00:21:01.190 we 2592 00:21:01.190 --> 00:21:01.790 wanted, 2593 00:21:01.790 --> 00:21:02.270 we 2594 00:21:02.270 --> 00:21:02.720 wanted 2595 00:21:02.720 --> 00:21:02.870 a 2596 00:21:02.870 --> 00:21:03.260 safer 2597 00:21:03.260 --> 00:21:03.770 pertussis 2598 00:21:03.770 --> 00:21:04.460 vaccine. 2599 00:21:04.460 --> 00:21:04.820 We 2600 00:21:04.820 --> 00:21:05.210 didn't, we 2601 00:21:05.210 --> 00:21:05.660 wanted a 2602 00:21:05.660 --> 00:21:06.200 purified 2603 00:21:06.200 --> 00:21:06.680 pertussis 2604 00:21:06.680 --> 00:21:07.220 vaccine, 2605 00:21:07.220 --> 00:21:07.580 because 2606 00:21:07.580 --> 00:21:08.000 I already 2607 00:21:08.000 --> 00:21:08.420 had found 2608 00:21:08.420 --> 00:21:08.900 out from the 2609 00:21:08.900 --> 00:21:09.740 literature 2610 00:21:09.740 --> 00:21:10.160 that 2611 00:21:10.160 --> 00:21:10.580 Japan 2612 00:21:10.580 --> 00:21:10.910 had been 2613 00:21:10.910 --> 00:21:11.450 using 2614 00:21:11.450 --> 00:21:11.570 a 2615 00:21:11.570 --> 00:21:12.260 purified 2616 00:21:12.260 --> 00:21:12.890 acellular 2617 00:21:12.890 --> 00:21:13.370 pertussis 2618 00:21:13.370 --> 00:21:13.940 vaccine 2619 00:21:13.940 --> 00:21:14.330 for a 2620 00:21:14.330 --> 00:21:14.690 couple of 2621 00:21:14.690 --> 00:21:15.080 years. 2622 00:21:15.080 --> 00:21:15.260 They 2623 00:21:15.260 --> 00:21:15.680 took 2624 00:21:15.680 --> 00:21:16.010 our 2625 00:21:16.010 --> 00:21:16.610 technology 2626 00:21:16.610 --> 00:21:16.880 from 2627 00:21:16.880 --> 00:21:17.420 NIH 2628 00:21:17.420 --> 00:21:17.660 and 2629 00:21:17.660 --> 00:21:17.930 they 2630 00:21:17.930 --> 00:21:18.440 created 2631 00:21:18.440 --> 00:21:18.680 it 2632 00:21:18.680 --> 00:21:19.100 and 2633 00:21:19.100 --> 00:21:19.430 put it 2634 00:21:19.430 --> 00:21:19.760 into 2635 00:21:19.760 --> 00:21:20.090 their 2636 00:21:20.090 --> 00:21:20.920 program, 2637 00:21:20.920 --> 00:21:21.410 and they 2638 00:21:21.410 --> 00:21:22.570 were, 2639 00:21:22.570 --> 00:21:22.900 it 2640 00:21:22.900 --> 00:21:23.230 was 2641 00:21:23.230 --> 00:21:23.620 far 2642 00:21:23.620 --> 00:21:23.890 less 2643 00:21:23.890 --> 00:21:24.490 reactive 2644 00:21:24.490 --> 00:21:24.760 than the 2645 00:21:24.760 --> 00:21:25.000 whole 2646 00:21:25.000 --> 00:21:25.480 cell 2647 00:21:25.480 --> 00:21:26.050 pertussis 2648 00:21:26.050 --> 00:21:26.800 vaccine 2649 00:21:27.070 --> 00:21:27.570 . So 2650 00:21:27.580 --> 00:21:28.030 we wanted 2651 00:21:28.030 --> 00:21:28.280 a 2652 00:21:28.280 --> 00:21:28.790 safer 2653 00:21:28.790 --> 00:21:29.470 vaccine. 2654 00:21:29.620 --> 00:21:30.250 We 2655 00:21:30.250 --> 00:21:30.640 wanted 2656 00:21:30.640 --> 00:21:31.360 information 2657 00:21:31.360 --> 00:21:31.810 given to 2658 00:21:31.810 --> 00:21:32.260 parents 2659 00:21:32.260 --> 00:21:32.500 by 2660 00:21:32.500 --> 00:21:33.250 doctors 2661 00:21:33.250 --> 00:21:33.580 that 2662 00:21:33.580 --> 00:21:34.030 would tell 2663 00:21:34.030 --> 00:21:34.510 them how to 2664 00:21:34.510 --> 00:21:35.080 recognize 2665 00:21:35.080 --> 00:21:35.560 a vaccine 2666 00:21:35.560 --> 00:21:37.180 reaction. 2667 00:21:37.180 --> 00:21:37.480 We 2668 00:21:37.480 --> 00:21:37.900 wanted the 2669 00:21:37.900 --> 00:21:38.380 doctors 2670 00:21:38.380 --> 00:21:38.830 to have to 2671 00:21:38.830 --> 00:21:39.040 write 2672 00:21:39.040 --> 00:21:39.800 down 2673 00:21:39.800 --> 00:21:40.180 in the 2674 00:21:40.180 --> 00:21:40.510 child's 2675 00:21:40.510 --> 00:21:40.840 medical 2676 00:21:40.840 --> 00:21:41.350 record, 2677 00:21:41.350 --> 00:21:41.650 the 2678 00:21:41.650 --> 00:21:42.400 manufacturer's 2679 00:21:42.400 --> 00:21:42.850 name, 2680 00:21:42.850 --> 00:21:43.240 lot 2681 00:21:43.240 --> 00:21:43.900 number, 2682 00:21:43.900 --> 00:21:44.350 any 2683 00:21:44.350 --> 00:21:44.980 reactions 2684 00:21:44.980 --> 00:21:45.130 that 2685 00:21:45.130 --> 00:21:45.610 occurred 2686 00:21:45.610 --> 00:21:45.880 in the 2687 00:21:45.880 --> 00:21:46.270 permanent 2688 00:21:46.450 --> 00:21:47.380 record. 2689 00:21:47.380 --> 00:21:47.890 We 2690 00:21:47.890 --> 00:21:48.280 wanted 2691 00:21:48.280 --> 00:21:48.880 research 2692 00:21:48.880 --> 00:21:49.300 done 2693 00:21:49.300 --> 00:21:50.680 to 2694 00:21:50.680 --> 00:21:50.950 look 2695 00:21:50.950 --> 00:21:51.250 into 2696 00:21:51.250 --> 00:21:51.670 creating 2697 00:21:51.670 --> 00:21:52.000 safer 2698 00:21:52.000 --> 00:21:52.690 vaccines 2699 00:21:52.690 --> 00:21:53.050 and 2700 00:21:53.050 --> 00:21:53.380 finding 2701 00:21:53.380 --> 00:21:53.860 out why 2702 00:21:53.890 --> 00:21:54.370 some kids 2703 00:21:54.370 --> 00:21:54.550 are 2704 00:21:54.550 --> 00:21:55.150 vulnerable 2705 00:21:55.150 --> 00:21:55.420 to 2706 00:21:55.420 --> 00:21:55.990 vaccine 2707 00:21:55.990 --> 00:21:56.530 reactions. 2708 00:21:56.560 --> 00:21:56.950 Well, 2709 00:21:56.950 --> 00:21:57.340 what 2710 00:21:57.340 --> 00:21:57.730 led you to 2711 00:21:57.730 --> 00:21:58.030 believe 2712 00:21:58.030 --> 00:21:58.270 that 2713 00:21:58.270 --> 00:21:58.810 those 2714 00:21:58.810 --> 00:21:59.410 studies 2715 00:21:59.410 --> 00:21:59.890 weren't being 2716 00:21:59.890 --> 00:22:00.670 done? 2717 00:22:01.120 --> 00:22:01.360 I mean, 2718 00:22:01.360 --> 00:22:01.690 when 2719 00:22:01.690 --> 00:22:01.990 you're 2720 00:22:01.990 --> 00:22:02.380 setting 2721 00:22:02.380 --> 00:22:03.040 out, 2722 00:22:03.160 --> 00:22:03.580 was there 2723 00:22:03.580 --> 00:22:03.730 any 2724 00:22:03.730 --> 00:22:04.300 investigation 2725 00:22:04.300 --> 00:22:04.750 into that 2726 00:22:04.750 --> 00:22:05.140 or did, 2727 00:22:05.140 --> 00:22:05.380 you 2728 00:22:05.380 --> 00:22:05.680 know? 2729 00:22:05.680 --> 00:22:06.040 Well, I m 2730 00:22:06.040 --> 00:22:06.430 ean, I knew 2731 00:22:06.430 --> 00:22:06.700 from the 2732 00:22:06.700 --> 00:22:07.000 medical 2733 00:22:07.000 --> 00:22:07.450 literature 2734 00:22:07.450 --> 00:22:07.810 they weren't 2735 00:22:07.810 --> 00:22:08.290 doing, they 2736 00:22:08.290 --> 00:22:08.560 were just 2737 00:22:08.560 --> 00:22:09.040 reporting 2738 00:22:09.040 --> 00:22:09.370 all these 2739 00:22:09.370 --> 00:22:09.940 reactions 2740 00:22:09.940 --> 00:22:10.390 in the medical 2741 00:22:10.390 --> 00:22:11.050 literature. 2742 00:22:11.050 --> 00:22:11.410 They were 2743 00:22:11.410 --> 00:22:11.920 describing 2744 00:22:11.920 --> 00:22:12.250 what these 2745 00:22:12.250 --> 00:22:12.610 kids were 2746 00:22:12.610 --> 00:22:13.300 doing. 2747 00:22:13.300 --> 00:22:13.960 But 2748 00:22:14.110 --> 00:22:14.710 clearly, 2749 00:22:14.710 --> 00:22:15.190 when we went 2750 00:22:15.190 --> 00:22:15.340 to 2751 00:22:15.340 --> 00:22:15.940 Congress, 2752 00:22:15.940 --> 00:22:16.270 when we 2753 00:22:16.270 --> 00:22:16.600 found 2754 00:22:16.600 --> 00:22:17.140 out 2755 00:22:17.140 --> 00:22:17.620 there was 2756 00:22:17.620 --> 00:22:18.100 literally 2757 00:22:18.100 --> 00:22:18.730 no 2758 00:22:18.730 --> 00:22:19.750 oversight 2759 00:22:19.750 --> 00:22:20.170 on 2760 00:22:20.170 --> 00:22:20.650 vaccine 2761 00:22:20.650 --> 00:22:21.400 safety. 2762 00:22:22.230 --> 00:22:22.470 And 2763 00:22:22.470 --> 00:22:22.980 remember 2764 00:22:22.980 --> 00:22:23.250 back 2765 00:22:23.250 --> 00:22:23.880 then, 2766 00:22:23.880 --> 00:22:24.300 we're 2767 00:22:24.300 --> 00:22:24.720 talking 2768 00:22:24.720 --> 00:22:25.110 measles, 2769 00:22:25.110 --> 00:22:25.470 mumps and 2770 00:22:25.470 --> 00:22:25.830 rubella 2771 00:22:25.830 --> 00:22:26.400 vaccine, 2772 00:22:26.400 --> 00:22:27.150 MMR, 2773 00:22:27.570 --> 00:22:28.050 which was 2774 00:22:28.050 --> 00:22:28.470 the newest 2775 00:22:28.470 --> 00:22:29.220 vaccine, 2776 00:22:29.220 --> 00:22:29.820 oral 2777 00:22:29.820 --> 00:22:30.180 polio 2778 00:22:30.180 --> 00:22:31.050 vaccine, 2779 00:22:31.110 --> 00:22:31.500 that 2780 00:22:31.500 --> 00:22:31.680 can 2781 00:22:31.680 --> 00:22:32.220 cause 2782 00:22:32.220 --> 00:22:32.670 vaccine 2783 00:22:32.670 --> 00:22:32.970 strain 2784 00:22:32.970 --> 00:22:33.360 polio 2785 00:22:33.360 --> 00:22:34.350 paralysis, 2786 00:22:35.310 --> 00:22:35.910 and 2787 00:22:35.910 --> 00:22:36.570 DPT. 2788 00:22:36.720 --> 00:22:37.290 Those 2789 00:22:37.290 --> 00:22:37.560 were the 2790 00:22:37.560 --> 00:22:37.890 seven 2791 00:22:37.890 --> 00:22:38.370 vaccines 2792 00:22:38.370 --> 00:22:38.610 being 2793 00:22:38.610 --> 00:22:39.240 given. 2794 00:22:39.300 --> 00:22:39.840 Both 2795 00:22:39.840 --> 00:22:40.020 that 2796 00:22:40.020 --> 00:22:40.560 polio 2797 00:22:40.560 --> 00:22:41.010 and the 2798 00:22:41.010 --> 00:22:41.610 DPT, 2799 00:22:41.610 --> 00:22:42.060 as we know 2800 00:22:42.060 --> 00:22:42.450 now 2801 00:22:42.480 --> 00:22:42.840 are, you 2802 00:22:42.840 --> 00:22:43.050 know, 2803 00:22:43.050 --> 00:22:43.560 changed 2804 00:22:43.560 --> 00:22:43.980 out because 2805 00:22:43.980 --> 00:22:44.370 they're very 2806 00:22:44.370 --> 00:22:44.760 intense 2807 00:22:44.760 --> 00:22:45.450 vaccines. 2808 00:22:45.450 --> 00:22:45.690 And 2809 00:22:45.690 --> 00:22:45.960 your 2810 00:22:45.960 --> 00:22:46.290 child 2811 00:22:46.290 --> 00:22:46.770 got both of 2812 00:22:46.770 --> 00:22:47.220 those on the 2813 00:22:47.220 --> 00:22:47.560 same 2814 00:22:47.560 --> 00:22:47.790 day. 2815 00:22:47.790 --> 00:22:48.380 Yes, 2816 00:22:48.380 --> 00:22:48.810 he did. 2817 00:22:48.810 --> 00:22:49.260 In fact, 2818 00:22:49.260 --> 00:22:49.740 she gave him 2819 00:22:49.740 --> 00:22:50.100 a second 2820 00:22:50.100 --> 00:22:50.430 dose of 2821 00:22:50.430 --> 00:22:50.730 polio 2822 00:22:50.730 --> 00:22:51.420 vaccine, 2823 00:22:51.420 --> 00:22:51.810 because 2824 00:22:51.810 --> 00:22:52.290 he spit the 2825 00:22:52.290 --> 00:22:52.680 first one 2826 00:22:52.680 --> 00:22:53.130 out. 2827 00:22:53.160 --> 00:22:53.850 Wow. 2828 00:22:54.180 --> 00:22:54.630 You know, when I 2829 00:22:54.630 --> 00:22:55.110 think about 2830 00:22:55.110 --> 00:22:55.200 the 2831 00:22:55.200 --> 00:22:55.710 universe 2832 00:22:55.710 --> 00:22:56.130 and I think 2833 00:22:56.130 --> 00:22:56.340 about 2834 00:22:56.340 --> 00:22:56.850 how 2835 00:22:56.850 --> 00:22:57.030 he 2836 00:22:57.030 --> 00:22:58.500 fought, 2837 00:22:58.500 --> 00:22:59.150 that 2838 00:22:59.150 --> 00:22:59.510 only 2839 00:22:59.510 --> 00:22:59.840 time he 2840 00:22:59.840 --> 00:23:00.200 ever did 2841 00:23:00.200 --> 00:23:00.890 that. 2842 00:23:01.310 --> 00:23:01.700 I 2843 00:23:01.700 --> 00:23:01.910 feel 2844 00:23:01.910 --> 00:23:02.330 like 2845 00:23:02.330 --> 00:23:02.660 on 2846 00:23:02.660 --> 00:23:02.870 some 2847 00:23:02.870 --> 00:23:03.260 level, 2848 00:23:03.260 --> 00:23:03.470 he 2849 00:23:03.470 --> 00:23:03.890 knew. 2850 00:23:03.890 --> 00:23:04.310 He 2851 00:23:04.310 --> 00:23:04.760 knew, you 2852 00:23:04.760 --> 00:23:05.300 know. 2853 00:23:05.300 --> 00:23:07.010 And, 2854 00:23:07.010 --> 00:23:08.030 you 2855 00:23:08.030 --> 00:23:08.480 know, I wish 2856 00:23:08.480 --> 00:23:08.930 I could go 2857 00:23:08.930 --> 00:23:09.710 back 2858 00:23:09.710 --> 00:23:10.340 and 2859 00:23:10.760 --> 00:23:11.330 and 2860 00:23:11.330 --> 00:23:11.750 carry 2861 00:23:11.780 --> 00:23:11.930 him 2862 00:23:11.930 --> 00:23:12.650 out 2863 00:23:12.650 --> 00:23:13.340 before 2864 00:23:13.340 --> 00:23:13.760 that shot 2865 00:23:13.760 --> 00:23:13.970 was 2866 00:23:13.970 --> 00:23:14.750 injected, 2867 00:23:14.750 --> 00:23:15.080 but you 2868 00:23:15.080 --> 00:23:15.440 can't go 2869 00:23:15.440 --> 00:23:15.860 back, 2870 00:23:15.860 --> 00:23:15.980 you 2871 00:23:15.980 --> 00:23:16.550 know, 2872 00:23:16.790 --> 00:23:17.150 you can 2873 00:23:17.150 --> 00:23:17.570 only go 2874 00:23:17.570 --> 00:23:17.960 forward 2875 00:23:17.960 --> 00:23:18.380 and try to 2876 00:23:18.380 --> 00:23:19.040 do 2877 00:23:19.040 --> 00:23:19.520 the right 2878 00:23:19.520 --> 00:23:20.300 thing. 2879 00:23:20.300 --> 00:23:21.230 So 2880 00:23:21.560 --> 00:23:21.860 he's 2881 00:23:21.860 --> 00:23:22.310 having these 2882 00:23:22.310 --> 00:23:22.850 reactions. 2883 00:23:22.850 --> 00:23:23.210 Doctor 2884 00:23:23.210 --> 00:23:23.630 says it's 2885 00:23:23.630 --> 00:23:23.840 just 2886 00:23:23.840 --> 00:23:24.210 normal, 2887 00:23:24.210 --> 00:23:24.710 it's just a 2888 00:23:24.710 --> 00:23:25.070 phase. 2889 00:23:25.070 --> 00:23:25.370 Did you 2890 00:23:25.370 --> 00:23:25.820 continue 2891 00:23:25.820 --> 00:23:26.510 vaccinating 2892 00:23:26.510 --> 00:23:27.200 him? 2893 00:23:27.200 --> 00:23:28.010 Oh, 2894 00:23:28.010 --> 00:23:28.310 Chris 2895 00:23:28.310 --> 00:23:28.760 never got 2896 00:23:28.760 --> 00:23:29.060 another 2897 00:23:29.060 --> 00:23:29.420 vaccine. 2898 00:23:29.420 --> 00:23:29.660 Never 2899 00:23:29.660 --> 00:23:29.990 did? 2900 00:23:29.990 --> 00:23:30.470 No, 2901 00:23:30.470 --> 00:23:30.950 because 2902 00:23:30.950 --> 00:23:31.400 I 2903 00:23:31.400 --> 00:23:31.820 had found 2904 00:23:31.820 --> 00:23:33.310 out, 2905 00:23:33.310 --> 00:23:33.560 I 2906 00:23:33.560 --> 00:23:33.860 found 2907 00:23:33.860 --> 00:23:34.430 out, 2908 00:23:34.700 --> 00:23:35.030 there's 2909 00:23:35.030 --> 00:23:35.510 no way I 2910 00:23:35.510 --> 00:23:35.840 could give 2911 00:23:35.840 --> 00:23:36.320 him 2912 00:23:36.320 --> 00:23:36.770 another 2913 00:23:36.770 --> 00:23:37.220 DPT 2914 00:23:37.220 --> 00:23:37.940 shot. 2915 00:23:38.210 --> 00:23:38.630 And he didn't 2916 00:23:38.630 --> 00:23:39.110 get any 2917 00:23:39.200 --> 00:23:39.680 shots. 2918 00:23:39.680 --> 00:23:40.070 But did 2919 00:23:40.070 --> 00:23:40.460 you? I 2920 00:23:40.460 --> 00:23:40.880 guess my 2921 00:23:40.880 --> 00:23:41.330 question 2922 00:23:41.330 --> 00:23:41.690 is, did 2923 00:23:41.690 --> 00:23:41.900 you 2924 00:23:41.900 --> 00:23:42.320 know 2925 00:23:42.320 --> 00:23:42.740 that it 2926 00:23:42.740 --> 00:23:43.400 was 2927 00:23:43.400 --> 00:23:43.610 the 2928 00:23:43.610 --> 00:23:44.150 DPT 2929 00:23:44.180 --> 00:23:44.480 that had 2930 00:23:44.480 --> 00:23:44.960 done that 2931 00:23:44.960 --> 00:23:45.110 to 2932 00:23:45.110 --> 00:23:45.710 him 2933 00:23:45.710 --> 00:23:46.280 before 2934 00:23:46.280 --> 00:23:46.640 you even 2935 00:23:46.670 --> 00:23:47.120 saw this 2936 00:23:47.120 --> 00:23:47.480 show? 2937 00:23:47.480 --> 00:23:47.990 No 2938 00:23:48.230 --> 00:23:48.480 . 2939 00:23:48.480 --> 00:23:48.980 No, I 2940 00:23:48.980 --> 00:23:49.160 did 2941 00:23:49.160 --> 00:23:49.520 not 2942 00:23:49.520 --> 00:23:50.240 know. 2943 00:23:50.240 --> 00:23:50.750 That's 2944 00:23:50.750 --> 00:23:51.140 why when 2945 00:23:51.140 --> 00:23:51.530 I stood 2946 00:23:51.530 --> 00:23:51.860 and saw 2947 00:23:51.860 --> 00:23:52.070 those 2948 00:23:52.070 --> 00:23:52.520 kids who 2949 00:23:52.520 --> 00:23:52.730 were 2950 00:23:52.730 --> 00:23:53.060 much 2951 00:23:53.060 --> 00:23:53.300 more 2952 00:23:53.300 --> 00:23:53.900 compromised 2953 00:23:53.900 --> 00:23:54.050 than 2954 00:23:54.050 --> 00:23:54.740 Chris, 2955 00:23:54.740 --> 00:23:55.190 okay, 2956 00:23:55.190 --> 00:23:55.640 they were 2957 00:23:55.640 --> 00:23:55.970 mentally 2958 00:23:55.970 --> 00:23:56.960 retarded, 2959 00:23:57.260 --> 00:23:58.070 epileptic, 2960 00:23:58.070 --> 00:23:58.460 you know, they 2961 00:23:58.460 --> 00:23:58.760 were 2962 00:23:58.760 --> 00:23:59.210 much 2963 00:23:59.210 --> 00:23:59.450 more 2964 00:23:59.450 --> 00:23:59.930 severe than 2965 00:23:59.930 --> 00:24:00.680 Chris. 2966 00:24:00.740 --> 00:24:01.190 But 2967 00:24:01.190 --> 00:24:01.670 I knew 2968 00:24:01.670 --> 00:24:02.060 that if the 2969 00:24:02.060 --> 00:24:02.570 vaccine 2970 00:24:02.570 --> 00:24:02.990 could do 2971 00:24:02.990 --> 00:24:04.580 that, 2972 00:24:04.580 --> 00:24:05.030 it 2973 00:24:05.030 --> 00:24:05.510 probably 2974 00:24:05.510 --> 00:24:05.780 had the 2975 00:24:05.780 --> 00:24:06.410 capability 2976 00:24:06.410 --> 00:24:06.800 of doing 2977 00:24:06.800 --> 00:24:07.160 something 2978 00:24:07.160 --> 00:24:08.580 less, 2979 00:24:08.580 --> 00:24:09.390 like 2980 00:24:09.390 --> 00:24:09.840 what happened to 2981 00:24:09.840 --> 00:24:10.320 my son, 2982 00:24:10.320 --> 00:24:10.620 who was 2983 00:24:10.620 --> 00:24:12.490 minimally, 2984 00:24:12.490 --> 00:24:13.900 minimally 2985 00:24:13.900 --> 00:24:14.890 dysfunctional, 2986 00:24:14.890 --> 00:24:15.390 brain 2987 00:24:15.390 --> 00:24:16.390 dysfunctional. 2988 00:24:17.140 --> 00:24:17.530 I 2989 00:24:17.530 --> 00:24:17.950 can tell 2990 00:24:17.950 --> 00:24:18.130 you 2991 00:24:18.130 --> 00:24:19.260 that, 2992 00:24:19.260 --> 00:24:19.580 up 2993 00:24:19.580 --> 00:24:19.880 until the 2994 00:24:19.880 --> 00:24:20.240 time that 2995 00:24:20.240 --> 00:24:20.690 I took him 2996 00:24:20.690 --> 00:24:20.840 for 2997 00:24:20.840 --> 00:24:21.320 testing when 2998 00:24:21.320 --> 00:24:21.680 he was 2999 00:24:21.680 --> 00:24:22.120 6 or 3000 00:24:22.120 --> 00:24:22.580 7 years 3001 00:24:22.580 --> 00:24:23.030 old, when I 3002 00:24:23.030 --> 00:24:23.510 finally got 3003 00:24:23.510 --> 00:24:23.840 formal 3004 00:24:23.840 --> 00:24:25.620 testing, 3005 00:24:25.620 --> 00:24:26.330 even 3006 00:24:26.330 --> 00:24:26.810 when that 3007 00:24:26.810 --> 00:24:27.410 diagnosis 3008 00:24:27.410 --> 00:24:27.620 came 3009 00:24:27.620 --> 00:24:28.310 back 3010 00:24:28.400 --> 00:24:28.880 so 3011 00:24:28.880 --> 00:24:30.100 severe, 3012 00:24:30.100 --> 00:24:30.230 I 3013 00:24:30.230 --> 00:24:30.950 almost 3014 00:24:31.280 --> 00:24:31.670 did, 3015 00:24:31.670 --> 00:24:32.120 I mean, 3016 00:24:32.120 --> 00:24:32.510 I 3017 00:24:32.510 --> 00:24:32.990 had a hard 3018 00:24:32.990 --> 00:24:33.200 time 3019 00:24:33.200 --> 00:24:33.710 accepting 3020 00:24:33.710 --> 00:24:34.190 it. 3021 00:24:34.190 --> 00:24:34.760 I 3022 00:24:34.760 --> 00:24:35.090 knew 3023 00:24:35.120 --> 00:24:35.480 he was 3024 00:24:35.480 --> 00:24:36.170 compromised, 3025 00:24:36.170 --> 00:24:36.470 but 3026 00:24:36.470 --> 00:24:36.680 I 3027 00:24:36.680 --> 00:24:37.040 didn't 3028 00:24:37.040 --> 00:24:37.400 want 3029 00:24:37.400 --> 00:24:37.550 to 3030 00:24:37.550 --> 00:24:38.120 accept 3031 00:24:38.120 --> 00:24:38.270 the 3032 00:24:38.270 --> 00:24:38.720 actual 3033 00:24:38.720 --> 00:24:39.950 diagnosis. 3034 00:24:40.160 --> 00:24:40.580 And, 3035 00:24:40.580 --> 00:24:40.970 you know, so 3036 00:24:40.970 --> 00:24:41.360 I hear 3037 00:24:41.360 --> 00:24:41.570 these 3038 00:24:41.570 --> 00:24:41.930 people 3039 00:24:41.930 --> 00:24:42.260 saying, 3040 00:24:42.260 --> 00:24:42.950 oh, 3041 00:24:43.010 --> 00:24:43.700 parents 3042 00:24:43.700 --> 00:24:43.940 want 3043 00:24:43.970 --> 00:24:44.360 kids to 3044 00:24:44.360 --> 00:24:44.600 be 3045 00:24:44.600 --> 00:24:45.290 labeled, 3046 00:24:45.290 --> 00:24:45.740 you know, 3047 00:24:45.740 --> 00:24:46.100 as 3048 00:24:46.100 --> 00:24:46.490 learning 3049 00:24:46.490 --> 00:24:46.910 disabled 3050 00:24:46.910 --> 00:24:47.330 or whatever, 3051 00:24:47.330 --> 00:24:47.750 so they can 3052 00:24:47.750 --> 00:24:48.110 get into 3053 00:24:48.110 --> 00:24:48.260 this 3054 00:24:48.260 --> 00:24:48.650 special 3055 00:24:48.650 --> 00:24:49.310 treatment. 3056 00:24:49.310 --> 00:24:49.820 No 3057 00:24:49.820 --> 00:24:50.420 parent 3058 00:24:50.420 --> 00:24:50.990 wants 3059 00:24:50.990 --> 00:24:51.080 a 3060 00:24:51.080 --> 00:24:52.100 child 3061 00:24:52.550 --> 00:24:52.940 to 3062 00:24:52.940 --> 00:24:53.240 be 3063 00:24:53.240 --> 00:24:53.840 labeled 3064 00:24:53.840 --> 00:24:54.290 as 3065 00:24:54.290 --> 00:24:54.680 having 3066 00:24:54.680 --> 00:24:55.160 to have a 3067 00:24:55.160 --> 00:24:55.580 special edu-, 3068 00:24:55.910 --> 00:24:56.240 be in a 3069 00:24:56.240 --> 00:24:56.600 special 3070 00:24:56.600 --> 00:24:56.750 ed 3071 00:24:56.750 --> 00:24:57.260 classroom, 3072 00:24:57.260 --> 00:24:57.650 I can tell 3073 00:24:57.650 --> 00:24:57.770 you 3074 00:24:57.770 --> 00:24:58.400 that. 3075 00:24:59.410 --> 00:24:59.770 Yeah. 3076 00:25:00.070 --> 00:25:00.940 But, 3077 00:25:00.940 --> 00:25:01.840 again, 3078 00:25:01.840 --> 00:25:02.170 you know, I 3079 00:25:02.170 --> 00:25:02.410 feel 3080 00:25:02.410 --> 00:25:03.290 blessed, 3081 00:25:03.290 --> 00:25:03.550 and 3082 00:25:03.550 --> 00:25:04.090 he, 3083 00:25:04.090 --> 00:25:04.510 he and I 3084 00:25:04.510 --> 00:25:04.870 have talked 3085 00:25:04.870 --> 00:25:05.230 about 3086 00:25:05.230 --> 00:25:05.680 it. 3087 00:25:05.680 --> 00:25:06.220 He 3088 00:25:06.220 --> 00:25:06.550 could have 3089 00:25:06.550 --> 00:25:07.060 been 3090 00:25:07.060 --> 00:25:07.990 catastrophically 3091 00:25:07.990 --> 00:25:08.260 brain 3092 00:25:08.260 --> 00:25:08.730 injured. 3093 00:25:08.730 --> 00:25:09.160 I believe, 3094 00:25:09.160 --> 00:25:09.280 if 3095 00:25:09.370 --> 00:25:09.730 my 3096 00:25:09.730 --> 00:25:10.120 mother had 3097 00:25:10.120 --> 00:25:10.570 not called 3098 00:25:10.570 --> 00:25:11.050 me 3099 00:25:11.050 --> 00:25:11.500 and 3100 00:25:11.500 --> 00:25:11.800 I had 3101 00:25:11.800 --> 00:25:12.040 not 3102 00:25:12.040 --> 00:25:12.640 interrupted 3103 00:25:12.640 --> 00:25:13.030 that, 3104 00:25:13.030 --> 00:25:13.510 that 3105 00:25:13.510 --> 00:25:14.080 evolving 3106 00:25:14.080 --> 00:25:14.980 encephalopathy, 3107 00:25:15.190 --> 00:25:15.680 he would 3108 00:25:15.680 --> 00:25:16.150 either have 3109 00:25:16.180 --> 00:25:16.570 died in 3110 00:25:16.570 --> 00:25:17.020 his bed 3111 00:25:17.020 --> 00:25:17.200 that 3112 00:25:17.200 --> 00:25:17.800 night 3113 00:25:17.800 --> 00:25:18.280 or 3114 00:25:18.280 --> 00:25:18.760 he would have 3115 00:25:18.760 --> 00:25:19.390 been 3116 00:25:19.390 --> 00:25:20.080 much 3117 00:25:20.080 --> 00:25:20.290 more 3118 00:25:20.290 --> 00:25:20.650 severely 3119 00:25:20.650 --> 00:25:20.890 brain 3120 00:25:20.890 --> 00:25:21.580 injured 3121 00:25:21.640 --> 00:25:21.770 . 3122 00:25:21.770 --> 00:25:22.240 Because 3123 00:25:22.240 --> 00:25:22.570 he's an 3124 00:25:22.570 --> 00:25:22.930 adult 3125 00:25:22.930 --> 00:25:23.650 today. 3126 00:25:24.220 --> 00:25:24.730 He's 3127 00:25:24.730 --> 00:25:25.480 married. 3128 00:25:25.480 --> 00:25:25.990 He 3129 00:25:25.990 --> 00:25:26.410 has worked 3130 00:25:26.410 --> 00:25:26.740 really 3131 00:25:26.740 --> 00:25:27.160 hard to 3132 00:25:27.160 --> 00:25:27.640 compensate 3133 00:25:27.640 --> 00:25:27.970 for his 3134 00:25:27.970 --> 00:25:28.210 learning 3135 00:25:28.210 --> 00:25:29.230 disabilities. 3136 00:25:29.890 --> 00:25:30.190 He's a 3137 00:25:30.190 --> 00:25:31.150 videographer. 3138 00:25:32.480 --> 00:25:32.900 I'm glad 3139 00:25:32.900 --> 00:25:33.260 to hear 3140 00:25:33.260 --> 00:25:33.620 that. 3141 00:25:33.830 --> 00:25:34.340 And 3142 00:25:34.610 --> 00:25:34.970 for 3143 00:25:34.970 --> 00:25:35.300 many 3144 00:25:35.300 --> 00:25:35.660 mothers 3145 00:25:35.660 --> 00:25:35.870 like 3146 00:25:35.870 --> 00:25:36.410 yourself, 3147 00:25:36.410 --> 00:25:36.860 it's a 3148 00:25:36.860 --> 00:25:37.220 lot of 3149 00:25:37.220 --> 00:25:37.700 work, I'm 3150 00:25:37.700 --> 00:25:38.120 sure, 3151 00:25:38.120 --> 00:25:38.780 to 3152 00:25:38.780 --> 00:25:39.320 sort 3153 00:25:39.320 --> 00:25:39.560 of 3154 00:25:39.560 --> 00:25:41.150 detoxify 3155 00:25:41.150 --> 00:25:41.630 the 3156 00:25:41.630 --> 00:25:42.140 child 3157 00:25:42.140 --> 00:25:42.590 and get them 3158 00:25:42.590 --> 00:25:42.800 to a 3159 00:25:42.800 --> 00:25:43.190 place 3160 00:25:43.190 --> 00:25:43.670 where they 3161 00:25:43.670 --> 00:25:44.120 can 3162 00:25:44.120 --> 00:25:44.930 recover, 3163 00:25:44.930 --> 00:25:45.170 you know, 3164 00:25:45.170 --> 00:25:45.560 recover, 3165 00:25:45.560 --> 00:25:45.830 and that's 3166 00:25:45.830 --> 00:25:46.460 something, 3167 00:25:46.460 --> 00:25:46.820 we could 3168 00:25:46.820 --> 00:25:47.300 probably do a 3169 00:25:47.300 --> 00:25:47.630 whole 3170 00:25:47.630 --> 00:25:47.870 other 3171 00:25:47.870 --> 00:25:48.320 show on 3172 00:25:48.320 --> 00:25:48.980 recovery 3173 00:25:48.980 --> 00:25:49.280 and all 3174 00:25:49.280 --> 00:25:49.760 that's about. 3175 00:25:49.760 --> 00:25:50.180 But I want 3176 00:25:50.180 --> 00:25:50.510 to stay 3177 00:25:50.510 --> 00:25:50.960 focused 3178 00:25:50.960 --> 00:25:51.230 here 3179 00:25:51.230 --> 00:25:51.740 on 3180 00:25:51.740 --> 00:25:52.070 the 3181 00:25:52.070 --> 00:25:52.700 '86 3182 00:25:52.700 --> 00:25:53.720 Act, 3183 00:25:53.720 --> 00:25:54.230 so, 3184 00:25:54.230 --> 00:25:54.530 you 3185 00:25:54.530 --> 00:25:54.860 know, 3186 00:25:54.860 --> 00:25:55.220 so 3187 00:25:55.220 --> 00:25:55.460 you're 3188 00:25:55.460 --> 00:25:55.940 setting out 3189 00:25:55.940 --> 00:25:56.300 to go to 3190 00:25:56.300 --> 00:25:56.900 Congress 3191 00:25:56.900 --> 00:25:57.380 to 3192 00:25:57.380 --> 00:25:57.860 see if we 3193 00:25:57.860 --> 00:25:58.220 can get 3194 00:25:58.220 --> 00:25:58.370 some 3195 00:25:58.370 --> 00:25:59.150 investigations 3196 00:25:59.150 --> 00:26:00.110 done. 3197 00:26:00.410 --> 00:26:01.160 Was 3198 00:26:01.160 --> 00:26:01.550 that, 3199 00:26:01.550 --> 00:26:02.090 was 3200 00:26:02.090 --> 00:26:02.210 the 3201 00:26:02.210 --> 00:26:02.900 reception 3202 00:26:02.900 --> 00:26:03.320 to this 3203 00:26:03.320 --> 00:26:04.620 conversation, 3204 00:26:04.620 --> 00:26:04.970 were 3205 00:26:04.970 --> 00:26:05.760 there, 3206 00:26:05.760 --> 00:26:06.050 was 3207 00:26:06.050 --> 00:26:06.770 Edward 3208 00:26:06.770 --> 00:26:07.850 Kennedy 3209 00:26:07.850 --> 00:26:08.390 open 3210 00:26:08.390 --> 00:26:08.690 to the 3211 00:26:08.690 --> 00:26:09.170 conversation, Waxman, 3212 00:26:09.170 --> 00:26:09.490 what were their 3213 00:26:09.490 --> 00:26:09.680 thoughts? 3214 00:26:09.680 --> 00:26:11.570 Yes, 3215 00:26:11.570 --> 00:26:12.050 it was 3216 00:26:12.050 --> 00:26:12.710 really, 3217 00:26:12.710 --> 00:26:13.160 what 3218 00:26:13.160 --> 00:26:13.610 happened 3219 00:26:13.610 --> 00:26:14.450 was, 3220 00:26:14.450 --> 00:26:15.050 Congress 3221 00:26:15.050 --> 00:26:15.410 and Dan 3222 00:26:15.410 --> 00:26:15.890 Mica of 3223 00:26:15.890 --> 00:26:16.580 Florida, 3224 00:26:16.580 --> 00:26:17.030 whose 3225 00:26:17.030 --> 00:26:17.960 nephews 3226 00:26:17.960 --> 00:26:18.650 had 3227 00:26:18.650 --> 00:26:19.280 reacted 3228 00:26:19.280 --> 00:26:19.520 to the 3229 00:26:19.520 --> 00:26:19.940 DPT 3230 00:26:19.940 --> 00:26:20.330 shot and 3231 00:26:20.330 --> 00:26:20.540 were 3232 00:26:20.540 --> 00:26:20.960 severely 3233 00:26:20.960 --> 00:26:21.200 brain 3234 00:26:21.200 --> 00:26:22.080 injured, 3235 00:26:22.080 --> 00:26:22.340 and 3236 00:26:22.340 --> 00:26:22.700 Paula 3237 00:26:22.700 --> 00:26:23.510 Hawkins 3238 00:26:23.510 --> 00:26:23.690 of 3239 00:26:23.690 --> 00:26:24.230 Florida 3240 00:26:24.230 --> 00:26:24.530 was a 3241 00:26:24.530 --> 00:26:25.130 Senator 3242 00:26:25.130 --> 00:26:25.490 who 3243 00:26:25.490 --> 00:26:25.910 was known 3244 00:26:25.910 --> 00:26:26.210 for her 3245 00:26:26.210 --> 00:26:26.570 child 3246 00:26:26.570 --> 00:26:27.520 health, 3247 00:26:27.520 --> 00:26:28.010 she was 3248 00:26:28.010 --> 00:26:28.400 interested 3249 00:26:28.400 --> 00:26:28.850 in child 3250 00:26:28.850 --> 00:26:29.570 health. 3251 00:26:29.750 --> 00:26:30.710 They 3252 00:26:30.740 --> 00:26:31.100 were the 3253 00:26:31.100 --> 00:26:31.460 ones that 3254 00:26:31.460 --> 00:26:31.790 held the 3255 00:26:31.790 --> 00:26:32.120 first 3256 00:26:32.120 --> 00:26:33.020 hearings, 3257 00:26:33.500 --> 00:26:34.010 and 3258 00:26:34.010 --> 00:26:34.400 we 3259 00:26:34.400 --> 00:26:34.970 testified 3260 00:26:34.970 --> 00:26:35.390 at almost 3261 00:26:35.390 --> 00:26:35.720 every 3262 00:26:35.720 --> 00:26:36.140 single 3263 00:26:36.140 --> 00:26:36.650 hearing. 3264 00:26:36.650 --> 00:26:37.130 There were more 3265 00:26:37.130 --> 00:26:37.610 than 12 3266 00:26:37.610 --> 00:26:38.270 hearings 3267 00:26:38.270 --> 00:26:38.660 that 3268 00:26:38.660 --> 00:26:38.810 were 3269 00:26:38.810 --> 00:26:39.290 held 3270 00:26:39.290 --> 00:26:39.830 during 3271 00:26:39.830 --> 00:26:40.280 this four and 3272 00:26:40.280 --> 00:26:40.520 a half 3273 00:26:40.520 --> 00:26:41.150 years 3274 00:26:41.150 --> 00:26:41.570 that 3275 00:26:41.570 --> 00:26:42.320 these 3276 00:26:42.320 --> 00:26:42.680 bills 3277 00:26:42.680 --> 00:26:43.130 were being 3278 00:26:43.130 --> 00:26:43.970 negotiated. 3279 00:26:43.970 --> 00:26:44.390 It was 3280 00:26:44.390 --> 00:26:44.540 a 3281 00:26:44.540 --> 00:26:44.930 long 3282 00:26:44.930 --> 00:26:45.950 process, 3283 00:26:45.950 --> 00:26:46.340 back 3284 00:26:46.340 --> 00:26:46.460 and 3285 00:26:46.460 --> 00:26:47.210 forth, 3286 00:26:47.210 --> 00:26:47.690 but 3287 00:26:47.690 --> 00:26:47.810 it 3288 00:26:47.810 --> 00:26:48.200 was 3289 00:26:48.200 --> 00:26:49.200 really, 3290 00:26:49.200 --> 00:26:49.640 Mica 3291 00:26:49.640 --> 00:26:50.030 was a 3292 00:26:50.030 --> 00:26:50.900 Democrat, 3293 00:26:50.930 --> 00:26:51.440 Hawkins 3294 00:26:51.440 --> 00:26:51.740 was a 3295 00:26:51.740 --> 00:26:52.370 Republican, 3296 00:26:52.370 --> 00:26:52.700 from the 3297 00:26:52.700 --> 00:26:52.970 very 3298 00:26:52.970 --> 00:26:53.480 beginning 3299 00:26:53.480 --> 00:26:53.870 it was 3300 00:26:53.870 --> 00:26:54.080 a, 3301 00:26:54.080 --> 00:26:54.530 kind 3302 00:26:54.530 --> 00:26:54.770 of a 3303 00:26:54.770 --> 00:26:55.610 bipartisan 3304 00:26:55.610 --> 00:26:56.450 interest. 3305 00:26:56.450 --> 00:26:56.750 I 3306 00:26:56.750 --> 00:26:56.990 mean, 3307 00:26:56.990 --> 00:26:57.410 DPT: 3308 00:26:57.410 --> 00:26:57.830 Vaccine 3309 00:26:57.830 --> 00:26:58.160 Roulette, 3310 00:26:58.160 --> 00:26:58.460 that 3311 00:26:58.460 --> 00:26:58.940 movie had 3312 00:26:58.940 --> 00:26:59.270 caused 3313 00:26:59.270 --> 00:26:59.510 a 3314 00:26:59.510 --> 00:27:00.410 shockwave 3315 00:27:00.440 --> 00:27:01.070 throughout 3316 00:27:01.070 --> 00:27:01.160 the 3317 00:27:01.160 --> 00:27:02.000 country. 3318 00:27:02.000 --> 00:27:02.300 I 3319 00:27:02.300 --> 00:27:02.720 mean, 3320 00:27:02.720 --> 00:27:03.590 pediatrics 3321 00:27:03.590 --> 00:27:03.770 would 3322 00:27:03.770 --> 00:27:04.130 never 3323 00:27:04.130 --> 00:27:04.400 be the 3324 00:27:04.400 --> 00:27:05.030 same 3325 00:27:05.030 --> 00:27:05.480 after 3326 00:27:05.480 --> 00:27:05.690 that 3327 00:27:05.690 --> 00:27:06.200 show. 3328 00:27:06.440 --> 00:27:07.370 And 3329 00:27:07.370 --> 00:27:07.790 it did 3330 00:27:07.790 --> 00:27:08.090 win 3331 00:27:08.090 --> 00:27:08.330 an 3332 00:27:08.330 --> 00:27:08.720 Emmy 3333 00:27:08.750 --> 00:27:09.110 for 3334 00:27:09.110 --> 00:27:09.800 investigative 3335 00:27:09.800 --> 00:27:10.070 news 3336 00:27:10.070 --> 00:27:11.130 reporting, 3337 00:27:11.130 --> 00:27:11.660 yeah, 3338 00:27:11.660 --> 00:27:12.110 for Lea 3339 00:27:12.110 --> 00:27:12.890 Thompson 3340 00:27:13.250 --> 00:27:13.730 pioneering 3341 00:27:13.730 --> 00:27:14.330 work. 3342 00:27:14.330 --> 00:27:15.620 And 3343 00:27:15.620 --> 00:27:15.920 you 3344 00:27:15.920 --> 00:27:16.400 know, 3345 00:27:16.400 --> 00:27:16.670 when 3346 00:27:16.670 --> 00:27:17.090 I 3347 00:27:17.090 --> 00:27:17.480 started 3348 00:27:17.480 --> 00:27:17.960 to look at the 3349 00:27:17.960 --> 00:27:18.320 medical 3350 00:27:18.320 --> 00:27:18.680 literature, 3351 00:27:18.680 --> 00:27:18.860 I 3352 00:27:18.860 --> 00:27:19.250 knew 3353 00:27:19.250 --> 00:27:19.700 I wanted 3354 00:27:19.700 --> 00:27:19.790 to 3355 00:27:19.790 --> 00:27:20.420 investigate 3356 00:27:20.420 --> 00:27:20.870 and I knew 3357 00:27:20.870 --> 00:27:21.320 I wanted to 3358 00:27:21.320 --> 00:27:21.560 do a 3359 00:27:21.560 --> 00:27:22.190 book. 3360 00:27:22.190 --> 00:27:22.520 I 3361 00:27:22.520 --> 00:27:23.000 wanted to write 3362 00:27:23.000 --> 00:27:23.420 a book 3363 00:27:23.420 --> 00:27:23.870 about what 3364 00:27:23.870 --> 00:27:24.290 had happened to 3365 00:27:24.290 --> 00:27:24.500 my 3366 00:27:24.500 --> 00:27:25.550 child, 3367 00:27:25.550 --> 00:27:25.940 but 3368 00:27:25.940 --> 00:27:26.360 it got 3369 00:27:26.360 --> 00:27:26.840 much more 3370 00:27:26.840 --> 00:27:27.380 complex 3371 00:27:27.380 --> 00:27:27.530 than 3372 00:27:27.530 --> 00:27:27.950 that 3373 00:27:27.950 --> 00:27:28.430 because 3374 00:27:28.430 --> 00:27:28.760 I met 3375 00:27:28.760 --> 00:27:29.120 Harris 3376 00:27:29.120 --> 00:27:29.810 Coulter 3377 00:27:30.410 --> 00:27:30.830 about 3378 00:27:30.830 --> 00:27:31.280 eight months 3379 00:27:31.280 --> 00:27:31.610 into 3380 00:27:31.610 --> 00:27:31.940 it. 3381 00:27:32.000 --> 00:27:32.270 Harris 3382 00:27:32.270 --> 00:27:32.750 Coulter was a 3383 00:27:32.750 --> 00:27:33.050 medical 3384 00:27:33.050 --> 00:27:33.710 historian, 3385 00:27:33.950 --> 00:27:34.430 PhD, 3386 00:27:34.670 --> 00:27:35.660 and 3387 00:27:35.660 --> 00:27:36.140 he called 3388 00:27:36.140 --> 00:27:36.470 me one 3389 00:27:36.470 --> 00:27:36.920 day and 3390 00:27:36.920 --> 00:27:37.340 he wanted to 3391 00:27:37.340 --> 00:27:37.610 do an 3392 00:27:37.610 --> 00:27:38.510 article. 3393 00:27:38.510 --> 00:27:39.590 And 3394 00:27:39.590 --> 00:27:39.980 I 3395 00:27:39.980 --> 00:27:40.370 said, do you 3396 00:27:40.370 --> 00:27:40.640 want to 3397 00:27:40.640 --> 00:27:41.090 co-author 3398 00:27:41.090 --> 00:27:41.570 a book with 3399 00:27:41.570 --> 00:27:42.080 me? 3400 00:27:42.080 --> 00:27:42.710 And 3401 00:27:42.710 --> 00:27:43.190 he said, 3402 00:27:43.190 --> 00:27:44.060 sure. 3403 00:27:44.180 --> 00:27:44.930 And 3404 00:27:44.930 --> 00:27:45.260 comes 3405 00:27:45.260 --> 00:27:45.710 over and 3406 00:27:45.710 --> 00:27:45.860 I 3407 00:27:45.860 --> 00:27:46.250 realized 3408 00:27:46.250 --> 00:27:46.670 he knew the 3409 00:27:46.670 --> 00:27:47.150 library of 3410 00:27:47.150 --> 00:27:47.540 medicine 3411 00:27:47.540 --> 00:27:47.780 like the 3412 00:27:47.780 --> 00:27:48.140 back of 3413 00:27:48.140 --> 00:27:48.290 his 3414 00:27:48.290 --> 00:27:49.010 hands. 3415 00:27:49.310 --> 00:27:49.730 He 3416 00:27:49.730 --> 00:27:50.060 was an 3417 00:27:50.060 --> 00:27:50.930 incredible 3418 00:27:50.930 --> 00:27:51.680 researcher 3419 00:27:51.680 --> 00:27:51.800 . 3420 00:27:51.800 --> 00:27:52.220 Because 3421 00:27:52.220 --> 00:27:52.670 back then 3422 00:27:52.670 --> 00:27:53.000 there was 3423 00:27:53.000 --> 00:27:53.210 no 3424 00:27:53.210 --> 00:27:53.640 internet, 3425 00:27:53.640 --> 00:27:54.140 there were no 3426 00:27:54.140 --> 00:27:54.380 cell 3427 00:27:54.380 --> 00:27:54.860 phones, there 3428 00:27:54.860 --> 00:27:55.190 were no 3429 00:27:55.190 --> 00:27:55.490 fax 3430 00:27:55.490 --> 00:27:56.240 machines, 3431 00:27:56.420 --> 00:27:56.750 private 3432 00:27:56.750 --> 00:27:56.960 fax 3433 00:27:56.960 --> 00:27:57.500 machines, 3434 00:27:57.500 --> 00:27:57.890 there were 3435 00:27:57.890 --> 00:27:58.040 no 3436 00:27:58.040 --> 00:27:58.400 personal 3437 00:27:58.400 --> 00:27:59.300 computers. 3438 00:28:00.020 --> 00:28:00.650 So 3439 00:28:00.650 --> 00:28:01.070 we had to 3440 00:28:01.070 --> 00:28:01.400 go to the 3441 00:28:01.400 --> 00:28:02.060 library, 3442 00:28:02.060 --> 00:28:02.420 and the 3443 00:28:02.420 --> 00:28:02.840 Library of 3444 00:28:02.840 --> 00:28:03.320 Medicine, of 3445 00:28:03.320 --> 00:28:03.740 course, we were 3446 00:28:03.740 --> 00:28:03.920 in the 3447 00:28:03.920 --> 00:28:04.340 Washington, 3448 00:28:04.340 --> 00:28:04.640 DC 3449 00:28:04.640 --> 00:28:04.940 area, 3450 00:28:04.940 --> 00:28:05.180 so 3451 00:28:05.180 --> 00:28:05.510 we 3452 00:28:05.510 --> 00:28:05.690 would 3453 00:28:05.690 --> 00:28:06.050 collect 3454 00:28:06.050 --> 00:28:06.890 quarters 3455 00:28:06.890 --> 00:28:07.320 and 3456 00:28:07.320 --> 00:28:07.580 I'd 3457 00:28:07.580 --> 00:28:08.230 send 3458 00:28:08.230 --> 00:28:08.870 Harris 3459 00:28:08.870 --> 00:28:09.260 over the 3460 00:28:09.260 --> 00:28:09.680 Library of 3461 00:28:09.680 --> 00:28:10.550 Medicine, 3462 00:28:10.550 --> 00:28:11.210 and 3463 00:28:11.210 --> 00:28:11.600 he would 3464 00:28:11.600 --> 00:28:12.260 then 3465 00:28:12.440 --> 00:28:13.700 xerox 3466 00:28:13.700 --> 00:28:14.090 the 3467 00:28:14.090 --> 00:28:14.510 studies 3468 00:28:14.510 --> 00:28:14.750 that he 3469 00:28:14.750 --> 00:28:15.200 found and 3470 00:28:15.200 --> 00:28:15.530 bring them 3471 00:28:15.530 --> 00:28:15.890 home 3472 00:28:15.890 --> 00:28:16.280 and then 3473 00:28:16.280 --> 00:28:16.730 we would we 3474 00:28:16.730 --> 00:28:17.210 would sit there 3475 00:28:17.210 --> 00:28:17.360 and 3476 00:28:17.360 --> 00:28:18.200 analyze 3477 00:28:18.200 --> 00:28:18.560 the 3478 00:28:18.560 --> 00:28:18.950 studies. 3479 00:28:18.950 --> 00:28:19.130 I 3480 00:28:19.130 --> 00:28:19.490 also 3481 00:28:19.490 --> 00:28:20.120 corresponded 3482 00:28:20.120 --> 00:28:20.300 with 3483 00:28:20.300 --> 00:28:20.780 scientists 3484 00:28:20.780 --> 00:28:21.260 and doctors 3485 00:28:21.260 --> 00:28:21.680 around the 3486 00:28:21.680 --> 00:28:22.520 world. 3487 00:28:22.580 --> 00:28:23.030 When 3488 00:28:23.030 --> 00:28:23.330 I would 3489 00:28:23.330 --> 00:28:23.690 find a 3490 00:28:23.690 --> 00:28:24.320 doctor 3491 00:28:24.320 --> 00:28:24.800 that was 3492 00:28:24.800 --> 00:28:25.310 publishing 3493 00:28:25.310 --> 00:28:25.610 on the, 3494 00:28:25.640 --> 00:28:25.940 in the 3495 00:28:25.940 --> 00:28:26.480 literature, 3496 00:28:26.480 --> 00:28:26.960 I would 3497 00:28:27.200 --> 00:28:27.710 send 3498 00:28:27.710 --> 00:28:27.950 him a 3499 00:28:27.950 --> 00:28:28.520 letter, 3500 00:28:28.520 --> 00:28:28.880 or I 3501 00:28:28.880 --> 00:28:29.240 would pick 3502 00:28:29.240 --> 00:28:29.510 up the 3503 00:28:29.510 --> 00:28:30.170 phone 3504 00:28:30.170 --> 00:28:30.530 and 3505 00:28:30.530 --> 00:28:30.860 call 3506 00:28:30.860 --> 00:28:31.370 him. 3507 00:28:31.700 --> 00:28:32.210 And 3508 00:28:32.210 --> 00:28:32.660 I usually 3509 00:28:32.660 --> 00:28:32.960 got 3510 00:28:32.960 --> 00:28:33.350 them, they 3511 00:28:33.350 --> 00:28:33.650 usually 3512 00:28:33.650 --> 00:28:33.890 would 3513 00:28:33.890 --> 00:28:34.430 correspond 3514 00:28:34.430 --> 00:28:34.850 with me 3515 00:28:34.850 --> 00:28:35.330 or talk 3516 00:28:35.330 --> 00:28:35.450 to 3517 00:28:35.450 --> 00:28:36.080 me. 3518 00:28:36.380 --> 00:28:38.230 So, 3519 00:28:38.230 --> 00:28:38.600 I 3520 00:28:38.600 --> 00:28:38.810 then 3521 00:28:38.810 --> 00:28:39.290 decided 3522 00:28:39.290 --> 00:28:39.650 that I was 3523 00:28:39.650 --> 00:28:39.920 going to 3524 00:28:39.920 --> 00:28:40.580 interview 3525 00:28:40.580 --> 00:28:41.540 parents, 3526 00:28:41.780 --> 00:28:42.380 mostly 3527 00:28:42.380 --> 00:28:42.860 mothers 3528 00:28:42.860 --> 00:28:43.190 whose 3529 00:28:43.190 --> 00:28:43.580 children 3530 00:28:43.580 --> 00:28:43.820 had 3531 00:28:43.820 --> 00:28:44.120 had 3532 00:28:44.120 --> 00:28:44.930 reactions. 3533 00:28:44.930 --> 00:28:45.380 And 3534 00:28:45.380 --> 00:28:45.860 A Shot in the 3535 00:28:45.860 --> 00:28:46.280 Dark is 3536 00:28:46.280 --> 00:28:46.820 really 3537 00:28:46.820 --> 00:28:46.970 a 3538 00:28:46.970 --> 00:28:47.900 collection. 3539 00:28:47.900 --> 00:28:48.230 What 3540 00:28:48.380 --> 00:28:48.770 Shot in the 3541 00:28:48.770 --> 00:28:49.010 Dark 3542 00:28:49.010 --> 00:28:49.340 really 3543 00:28:49.340 --> 00:28:49.640 is, 3544 00:28:49.640 --> 00:28:50.090 DPT: A 3545 00:28:50.090 --> 00:28:50.570 Shot in the Dark, 3546 00:28:50.570 --> 00:28:50.900 which was 3547 00:28:50.900 --> 00:28:51.350 published in 3548 00:28:51.350 --> 00:28:52.370 1985 3549 00:28:52.370 --> 00:28:52.700 by 3550 00:28:52.700 --> 00:28:53.000 Harcourt 3551 00:28:53.000 --> 00:28:53.240 Brace 3552 00:28:53.240 --> 00:28:53.720 Jovanovich, 3553 00:28:53.720 --> 00:28:54.110 which was 3554 00:28:54.110 --> 00:28:54.470 a blue 3555 00:28:54.470 --> 00:28:55.010 chip 3556 00:28:55.010 --> 00:28:56.250 publisher, 3557 00:28:56.250 --> 00:28:56.660 okay 3558 00:28:56.660 --> 00:28:57.110 . The 3559 00:28:57.110 --> 00:28:57.350 older 3560 00:28:57.350 --> 00:28:57.890 Jovanovich 3561 00:28:57.890 --> 00:28:58.130 was 3562 00:28:58.130 --> 00:28:58.580 known for 3563 00:28:58.580 --> 00:28:59.060 publishing 3564 00:28:59.060 --> 00:29:00.020 dissidents. 3565 00:29:00.020 --> 00:29:00.440 The 3566 00:29:00.440 --> 00:29:00.830 younger 3567 00:29:00.830 --> 00:29:01.640 Jovanovich 3568 00:29:01.640 --> 00:29:02.030 was in 3569 00:29:02.030 --> 00:29:02.480 charge of the 3570 00:29:02.480 --> 00:29:02.840 medical 3571 00:29:02.840 --> 00:29:03.260 division 3572 00:29:03.260 --> 00:29:03.530 because 3573 00:29:03.530 --> 00:29:03.890 they 3574 00:29:03.890 --> 00:29:04.340 published 3575 00:29:04.340 --> 00:29:04.670 medical 3576 00:29:04.670 --> 00:29:05.360 books. 3577 00:29:05.480 --> 00:29:05.960 Well, 3578 00:29:05.960 --> 00:29:06.320 it took two 3579 00:29:06.320 --> 00:29:06.680 and a half 3580 00:29:06.680 --> 00:29:07.070 years of 3581 00:29:07.070 --> 00:29:07.580 research 3582 00:29:07.580 --> 00:29:07.730 to 3583 00:29:07.730 --> 00:29:08.240 create 3584 00:29:08.240 --> 00:29:08.690 DPT. A 3585 00:29:08.690 --> 00:29:09.050 Shot in the 3586 00:29:09.050 --> 00:29:09.720 Dark, 3587 00:29:09.720 --> 00:29:10.190 and I 3588 00:29:10.190 --> 00:29:10.520 said to 3589 00:29:10.520 --> 00:29:11.000 Harris, I 3590 00:29:11.000 --> 00:29:11.270 said, you 3591 00:29:11.270 --> 00:29:11.820 know, 3592 00:29:11.820 --> 00:29:11.900 w 3593 00:29:13.030 --> 00:29:13.450 e 3594 00:29:13.450 --> 00:29:13.780 need 3595 00:29:13.780 --> 00:29:14.320 to 3596 00:29:14.320 --> 00:29:14.710 appeal 3597 00:29:14.710 --> 00:29:14.980 to the 3598 00:29:14.980 --> 00:29:16.260 brain, 3599 00:29:16.260 --> 00:29:16.740 and 3600 00:29:16.740 --> 00:29:17.190 we need to 3601 00:29:17.190 --> 00:29:17.670 appeal to the 3602 00:29:17.670 --> 00:29:18.180 heart. 3603 00:29:21.040 --> 00:29:21.430 Because 3604 00:29:21.430 --> 00:29:21.820 this issue 3605 00:29:21.820 --> 00:29:22.210 is really 3606 00:29:22.210 --> 00:29:23.110 about 3607 00:29:23.560 --> 00:29:24.340 intellectually 3608 00:29:24.340 --> 00:29:24.910 understanding 3609 00:29:24.910 --> 00:29:25.600 information, 3610 00:29:25.600 --> 00:29:25.930 but it's 3611 00:29:25.930 --> 00:29:26.290 also 3612 00:29:26.290 --> 00:29:27.100 about 3613 00:29:27.100 --> 00:29:27.640 trying 3614 00:29:27.640 --> 00:29:27.880 to have 3615 00:29:27.880 --> 00:29:28.450 compassion 3616 00:29:28.450 --> 00:29:28.600 for 3617 00:29:28.600 --> 00:29:29.050 people who 3618 00:29:29.080 --> 00:29:29.470 don't get 3619 00:29:29.470 --> 00:29:29.770 through the 3620 00:29:29.770 --> 00:29:30.250 process 3621 00:29:30.250 --> 00:29:30.400 of 3622 00:29:30.400 --> 00:29:31.150 vaccination 3623 00:29:31.150 --> 00:29:31.660 without 3624 00:29:31.660 --> 00:29:31.930 being 3625 00:29:31.930 --> 00:29:32.650 harmed. 3626 00:29:32.800 --> 00:29:33.370 So 3627 00:29:33.370 --> 00:29:33.790 I did all 3628 00:29:33.790 --> 00:29:33.970 this 3629 00:29:33.970 --> 00:29:34.510 interviewing, 3630 00:29:34.510 --> 00:29:34.750 and I 3631 00:29:34.750 --> 00:29:35.080 created 3632 00:29:35.080 --> 00:29:35.650 profiles 3633 00:29:35.650 --> 00:29:36.100 of vaccine 3634 00:29:36.100 --> 00:29:36.370 injured 3635 00:29:36.370 --> 00:29:37.120 children. 3636 00:29:37.120 --> 00:29:37.690 And 3637 00:29:37.690 --> 00:29:38.110 I also 3638 00:29:38.110 --> 00:29:38.650 supported 3639 00:29:38.650 --> 00:29:38.770 the 3640 00:29:38.770 --> 00:29:39.220 medical, 3641 00:29:39.220 --> 00:29:39.970 the 3642 00:29:39.970 --> 00:29:40.510 medical 3643 00:29:40.510 --> 00:29:41.020 literature, 3644 00:29:41.020 --> 00:29:41.380 what was 3645 00:29:41.380 --> 00:29:41.800 found in the 3646 00:29:41.800 --> 00:29:42.040 medical 3647 00:29:42.040 --> 00:29:42.430 literature 3648 00:29:42.430 --> 00:29:42.760 with these 3649 00:29:42.760 --> 00:29:43.030 case 3650 00:29:43.030 --> 00:29:43.720 histories. 3651 00:29:44.380 --> 00:29:44.830 We 3652 00:29:44.830 --> 00:29:45.280 did such a, 3653 00:29:45.280 --> 00:29:45.670 I 3654 00:29:45.670 --> 00:29:46.150 also 3655 00:29:46.150 --> 00:29:46.570 asked for the 3656 00:29:46.570 --> 00:29:46.870 medical 3657 00:29:46.870 --> 00:29:47.350 records 3658 00:29:47.350 --> 00:29:47.800 from all 3659 00:29:47.800 --> 00:29:47.980 these 3660 00:29:47.980 --> 00:29:48.520 parents 3661 00:29:48.520 --> 00:29:48.910 so that 3662 00:29:48.910 --> 00:29:49.330 I could 3663 00:29:49.330 --> 00:29:49.810 prove 3664 00:29:49.810 --> 00:29:50.170 that these 3665 00:29:50.170 --> 00:29:50.530 were real 3666 00:29:50.530 --> 00:29:51.220 people. 3667 00:29:52.170 --> 00:29:52.650 Because I 3668 00:29:52.650 --> 00:29:52.950 had to 3669 00:29:52.950 --> 00:29:53.430 prove those 3670 00:29:53.430 --> 00:29:53.910 to the Harcourt 3671 00:29:53.910 --> 00:29:54.150 Brace 3672 00:29:54.150 --> 00:29:54.630 Jovanovich 3673 00:29:54.630 --> 00:29:55.350 lawyers. 3674 00:29:55.710 --> 00:29:56.310 Eventually, 3675 00:29:56.310 --> 00:29:56.790 the Institute 3676 00:29:56.790 --> 00:29:56.880 of 3677 00:29:56.880 --> 00:29:57.360 Medicine 3678 00:29:57.360 --> 00:29:58.380 used 3679 00:29:58.380 --> 00:29:59.070 cases 3680 00:29:59.070 --> 00:29:59.460 in A Shot 3681 00:29:59.460 --> 00:29:59.640 in the 3682 00:29:59.640 --> 00:30:00.270 Dark, 3683 00:30:00.270 --> 00:30:00.960 because 3684 00:30:00.960 --> 00:30:01.260 I 3685 00:30:01.260 --> 00:30:01.710 had 3686 00:30:01.710 --> 00:30:01.890 the 3687 00:30:01.890 --> 00:30:02.250 medical 3688 00:30:02.250 --> 00:30:03.030 records 3689 00:30:03.960 --> 00:30:04.350 in 3690 00:30:04.350 --> 00:30:04.500 their 3691 00:30:04.500 --> 00:30:05.040 report 3692 00:30:05.040 --> 00:30:05.190 on 3693 00:30:05.190 --> 00:30:05.670 pertussis 3694 00:30:05.670 --> 00:30:05.790 and 3695 00:30:05.790 --> 00:30:06.180 rubella 3696 00:30:06.180 --> 00:30:06.690 vaccines, 3697 00:30:06.690 --> 00:30:06.930 it was 3698 00:30:06.930 --> 00:30:07.380 published in 3699 00:30:07.380 --> 00:30:09.540 1991. 3700 00:30:10.260 --> 00:30:10.650 We 3701 00:30:10.650 --> 00:30:10.770 were 3702 00:30:10.770 --> 00:30:11.400 acknowledged 3703 00:30:11.400 --> 00:30:11.850 as having 3704 00:30:11.850 --> 00:30:12.450 contributed 3705 00:30:12.450 --> 00:30:12.630 to 3706 00:30:12.630 --> 00:30:12.960 that 3707 00:30:12.960 --> 00:30:13.950 analysis, 3708 00:30:13.950 --> 00:30:14.580 because 3709 00:30:14.580 --> 00:30:14.880 of those 3710 00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:15.300 cases 3711 00:30:15.300 --> 00:30:15.750 in 3712 00:30:15.750 --> 00:30:15.980 A 3713 00:30:15.980 --> 00:30:16.550 Shot 3714 00:30:16.550 --> 00:30:16.890 in 3715 00:30:16.890 --> 00:30:17.340 the 3716 00:30:17.340 --> 00:30:18.020 Dark. 3717 00:30:18.020 --> 00:30:18.240 So 3718 00:30:18.360 --> 00:30:18.780 I was 3719 00:30:18.780 --> 00:30:19.080 very, 3720 00:30:19.080 --> 00:30:19.380 very 3721 00:30:19.380 --> 00:30:19.740 proud of 3722 00:30:19.740 --> 00:30:20.070 that. 3723 00:30:20.070 --> 00:30:21.150 And, 3724 00:30:21.150 --> 00:30:21.510 at 3725 00:30:21.510 --> 00:30:21.750 any 3726 00:30:21.750 --> 00:30:22.590 rate, 3727 00:30:23.070 --> 00:30:23.820 so 3728 00:30:23.820 --> 00:30:24.240 we had, 3729 00:30:24.240 --> 00:30:24.630 what do we 3730 00:30:24.630 --> 00:30:25.200 have? 3731 00:30:25.200 --> 00:30:25.590 We 3732 00:30:25.590 --> 00:30:25.920 had 3733 00:30:25.920 --> 00:30:26.370 us going 3734 00:30:26.370 --> 00:30:26.490 to 3735 00:30:26.490 --> 00:30:27.150 Congress. 3736 00:30:27.150 --> 00:30:27.510 We 3737 00:30:27.510 --> 00:30:27.960 had a 3738 00:30:27.960 --> 00:30:28.320 couple 3739 00:30:28.320 --> 00:30:28.680 of 3740 00:30:28.680 --> 00:30:29.280 congressmen 3741 00:30:29.280 --> 00:30:29.520 and a 3742 00:30:29.520 --> 00:30:30.180 senator 3743 00:30:30.180 --> 00:30:31.260 interested. 3744 00:30:31.740 --> 00:30:32.220 And 3745 00:30:32.220 --> 00:30:32.820 immediately 3746 00:30:32.820 --> 00:30:33.210 the drug 3747 00:30:33.210 --> 00:30:33.690 company 3748 00:30:33.690 --> 00:30:34.440 said, 3749 00:30:34.740 --> 00:30:35.220 we're 3750 00:30:35.220 --> 00:30:35.580 getting 3751 00:30:35.580 --> 00:30:36.180 sued, 3752 00:30:36.180 --> 00:30:36.570 we're getting 3753 00:30:36.570 --> 00:30:36.810 these 3754 00:30:36.810 --> 00:30:37.320 lawsuits, 3755 00:30:37.320 --> 00:30:37.470 these 3756 00:30:37.470 --> 00:30:37.920 DPT 3757 00:30:37.920 --> 00:30:38.280 vaccine 3758 00:30:38.280 --> 00:30:38.550 injury 3759 00:30:38.550 --> 00:30:39.510 lawsuits. 3760 00:30:39.660 --> 00:30:40.080 We're 3761 00:30:40.080 --> 00:30:40.380 getting 3762 00:30:40.380 --> 00:30:40.830 killed with 3763 00:30:40.830 --> 00:30:41.040 these 3764 00:30:41.040 --> 00:30:42.150 lawsuits 3765 00:30:42.150 --> 00:30:42.480 on 3766 00:30:42.480 --> 00:30:42.930 DPT 3767 00:30:42.930 --> 00:30:43.290 because of 3768 00:30:43.290 --> 00:30:43.500 this 3769 00:30:43.500 --> 00:30:43.950 show, 3770 00:30:43.950 --> 00:30:44.160 and 3771 00:30:44.160 --> 00:30:44.640 because of 3772 00:30:44.640 --> 00:30:45.060 you paying 3773 00:30:45.060 --> 00:30:45.510 attention 3774 00:30:45.510 --> 00:30:45.630 to 3775 00:30:45.630 --> 00:30:46.080 these 3776 00:30:46.080 --> 00:30:46.980 parents. 3777 00:30:47.340 --> 00:30:48.750 We 3778 00:30:48.750 --> 00:30:49.200 are going 3779 00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:49.620 to leave 3780 00:30:49.620 --> 00:30:49.830 this 3781 00:30:49.830 --> 00:30:50.280 country 3782 00:30:50.280 --> 00:30:50.580 with 3783 00:30:50.580 --> 00:30:51.000 no 3784 00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:51.480 childhood 3785 00:30:51.480 --> 00:30:52.140 vaccines 3786 00:30:52.140 --> 00:30:52.560 if you 3787 00:30:52.560 --> 00:30:52.950 do not 3788 00:30:52.950 --> 00:30:53.370 protect 3789 00:30:53.370 --> 00:30:53.760 us from 3790 00:30:53.760 --> 00:30:54.630 liability. 3791 00:30:55.490 --> 00:30:55.880 All 3792 00:30:55.880 --> 00:30:56.240 liability. 3793 00:30:56.270 --> 00:30:56.450 Do you 3794 00:30:56.450 --> 00:30:56.900 remember the m 3795 00:30:56.900 --> 00:30:57.320 oment 3796 00:30:57.320 --> 00:30:58.160 that, 3797 00:30:58.160 --> 00:30:58.520 was 3798 00:30:58.520 --> 00:30:58.760 there a 3799 00:30:58.760 --> 00:30:59.150 moment 3800 00:30:59.150 --> 00:30:59.630 that sort of 3801 00:30:59.630 --> 00:31:00.050 happened? 3802 00:31:00.050 --> 00:31:00.500 I mean, you're 3803 00:31:00.500 --> 00:31:00.800 visiting Congress... 3804 00:31:00.800 --> 00:31:01.190 In the beginning 3805 00:31:01.580 --> 00:31:01.730 . 3806 00:31:01.730 --> 00:31:02.150 Right from the very 3807 00:31:02.150 --> 00:31:02.870 beginning, 3808 00:31:02.870 --> 00:31:03.200 the second 3809 00:31:03.200 --> 00:31:03.650 you show 3810 00:31:03.650 --> 00:31:04.250 up, 3811 00:31:04.250 --> 00:31:04.970 pharma 3812 00:31:04.970 --> 00:31:05.410 jumps in on this 3813 00:31:05.420 --> 00:31:06.140 . 3814 00:31:06.140 --> 00:31:06.150 No lawsuits. 3815 00:31:07.280 --> 00:31:07.790 Right. 3816 00:31:07.790 --> 00:31:08.360 Okay. 3817 00:31:08.360 --> 00:31:09.110 Okay. 3818 00:31:09.590 --> 00:31:10.220 Well, 3819 00:31:10.220 --> 00:31:10.550 we 3820 00:31:10.550 --> 00:31:11.060 said, 3821 00:31:11.060 --> 00:31:11.360 and the 3822 00:31:11.360 --> 00:31:11.570 other 3823 00:31:11.570 --> 00:31:11.930 thing 3824 00:31:11.930 --> 00:31:12.350 that was 3825 00:31:12.350 --> 00:31:12.770 said to 3826 00:31:12.770 --> 00:31:13.280 Jeff, 3827 00:31:13.280 --> 00:31:13.640 because he 3828 00:31:13.640 --> 00:31:13.910 was the 3829 00:31:13.910 --> 00:31:14.330 primary 3830 00:31:14.330 --> 00:31:15.080 negotiator, 3831 00:31:15.080 --> 00:31:15.560 and he would 3832 00:31:15.560 --> 00:31:15.740 come 3833 00:31:15.740 --> 00:31:16.130 back 3834 00:31:16.130 --> 00:31:16.400 to 3835 00:31:16.400 --> 00:31:16.820 Kathi 3836 00:31:16.820 --> 00:31:17.300 and I and 3837 00:31:17.300 --> 00:31:17.690 say, this 3838 00:31:17.690 --> 00:31:18.140 is what they're 3839 00:31:18.140 --> 00:31:18.640 proposing 3840 00:31:18.640 --> 00:31:19.040 and we would 3841 00:31:19.040 --> 00:31:19.460 say yes 3842 00:31:19.460 --> 00:31:19.610 or 3843 00:31:19.610 --> 00:31:20.780 no. 3844 00:31:20.780 --> 00:31:21.200 And send 3845 00:31:21.200 --> 00:31:21.320 him 3846 00:31:21.560 --> 00:31:21.800 up. 3847 00:31:21.800 --> 00:31:22.130 And the 3848 00:31:22.130 --> 00:31:22.580 they 3849 00:31:22.580 --> 00:31:23.030 being 3850 00:31:23.030 --> 00:31:23.120 the 3851 00:31:23.120 --> 00:31:23.780 pharmaceutical 3852 00:31:23.780 --> 00:31:24.380 lobby 3853 00:31:24.380 --> 00:31:24.740 or the 3854 00:31:24.740 --> 00:31:25.250 pharmaceutical 3855 00:31:25.250 --> 00:31:25.730 lobby and 3856 00:31:25.730 --> 00:31:26.540 politicians, 3857 00:31:26.540 --> 00:31:26.960 like, 3858 00:31:27.170 --> 00:31:27.560 who was 3859 00:31:27.560 --> 00:31:28.040 he meeting 3860 00:31:28.040 --> 00:31:28.640 with? 3861 00:31:28.640 --> 00:31:29.180 Okay, 3862 00:31:29.180 --> 00:31:29.660 here's how 3863 00:31:29.660 --> 00:31:29.750 it 3864 00:31:29.750 --> 00:31:30.350 happened. 3865 00:31:30.350 --> 00:31:30.770 The 3866 00:31:30.770 --> 00:31:31.490 stakeholders, 3867 00:31:31.490 --> 00:31:31.970 they call them 3868 00:31:31.970 --> 00:31:32.090 the 3869 00:31:32.090 --> 00:31:32.540 vaccine 3870 00:31:32.540 --> 00:31:33.200 stakeholders. 3871 00:31:33.200 --> 00:31:33.660 Okay, 3872 00:31:33.660 --> 00:31:34.130 that would 3873 00:31:34.130 --> 00:31:34.430 be 3874 00:31:34.430 --> 00:31:34.820 medical 3875 00:31:34.820 --> 00:31:35.720 trade, 3876 00:31:35.720 --> 00:31:36.170 that 3877 00:31:36.170 --> 00:31:36.440 would be 3878 00:31:36.470 --> 00:31:36.950 AAP 3879 00:31:36.950 --> 00:31:37.220 in this 3880 00:31:37.220 --> 00:31:37.580 case, 3881 00:31:37.700 --> 00:31:38.150 the Academy 3882 00:31:38.150 --> 00:31:38.210 of 3883 00:31:38.210 --> 00:31:39.080 Pediatrics, 3884 00:31:39.440 --> 00:31:39.680 the 3885 00:31:39.680 --> 00:31:40.010 vaccine 3886 00:31:40.010 --> 00:31:40.910 manufacturers. 3887 00:31:40.910 --> 00:31:41.300 At that 3888 00:31:41.300 --> 00:31:42.020 point, 3889 00:31:42.020 --> 00:31:42.470 there 3890 00:31:42.470 --> 00:31:42.920 were four 3891 00:31:42.920 --> 00:31:43.310 vaccine 3892 00:31:43.310 --> 00:31:43.940 manufacturers 3893 00:31:43.940 --> 00:31:44.210 in this 3894 00:31:44.210 --> 00:31:45.080 country. 3895 00:31:45.230 --> 00:31:46.190 Wyeth, 3896 00:31:46.190 --> 00:31:47.030 Lederle, 3897 00:31:47.030 --> 00:31:47.300 and 3898 00:31:47.300 --> 00:31:48.290 Connaught 3899 00:31:48.320 --> 00:31:48.830 were 3900 00:31:48.830 --> 00:31:49.610 producing 3901 00:31:49.610 --> 00:31:50.180 DPT 3902 00:31:50.180 --> 00:31:51.730 vaccine. 3903 00:31:51.730 --> 00:31:52.820 Lederle 3904 00:31:52.820 --> 00:31:53.210 was a 3905 00:31:53.210 --> 00:31:53.480 sole 3906 00:31:53.480 --> 00:31:54.320 source 3907 00:31:54.620 --> 00:31:54.890 for 3908 00:31:54.890 --> 00:31:55.130 oral 3909 00:31:55.130 --> 00:31:55.460 polio 3910 00:31:55.460 --> 00:31:56.270 vaccine. 3911 00:31:56.540 --> 00:31:57.380 Merck 3912 00:31:57.380 --> 00:31:57.800 was 3913 00:31:57.800 --> 00:31:58.190 a sole 3914 00:31:58.190 --> 00:31:59.060 source 3915 00:31:59.270 --> 00:31:59.690 of 3916 00:31:59.690 --> 00:32:00.080 MMR 3917 00:32:00.080 --> 00:32:00.860 vaccine. 3918 00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:02.090 Seven 3919 00:32:02.090 --> 00:32:03.080 vaccines 3920 00:32:03.080 --> 00:32:03.400 . 3921 00:32:03.400 --> 00:32:04.040 Just 3922 00:32:04.280 --> 00:32:04.670 so 3923 00:32:04.670 --> 00:32:05.000 people 3924 00:32:05.000 --> 00:32:05.640 know, 3925 00:32:05.640 --> 00:32:06.370 Lederle 3926 00:32:06.370 --> 00:32:06.770 is now 3927 00:32:06.770 --> 00:32:07.070 part of 3928 00:32:07.070 --> 00:32:07.790 Pfizer. 3929 00:32:07.790 --> 00:32:09.020 Connaught 3930 00:32:09.020 --> 00:32:09.500 is now 3931 00:32:09.500 --> 00:32:09.770 part of 3932 00:32:09.770 --> 00:32:10.580 Sanofi, 3933 00:32:10.760 --> 00:32:11.630 Wyeth 3934 00:32:11.630 --> 00:32:11.900 is 3935 00:32:11.900 --> 00:32:12.320 now 3936 00:32:12.320 --> 00:32:12.710 part 3937 00:32:12.710 --> 00:32:13.280 of 3938 00:32:13.280 --> 00:32:14.470 Pfizer, 3939 00:32:14.470 --> 00:32:14.870 and 3940 00:32:14.900 --> 00:32:15.350 of course we 3941 00:32:15.350 --> 00:32:15.620 have 3942 00:32:15.620 --> 00:32:15.980 Merck. 3943 00:32:17.870 --> 00:32:18.530 Merck 3944 00:32:18.530 --> 00:32:18.860 really 3945 00:32:18.860 --> 00:32:19.340 was on the 3946 00:32:19.340 --> 00:32:20.000 sidelines 3947 00:32:20.000 --> 00:32:20.150 on 3948 00:32:20.150 --> 00:32:20.900 this. 3949 00:32:21.350 --> 00:32:21.650 It 3950 00:32:21.650 --> 00:32:21.890 was 3951 00:32:21.890 --> 00:32:22.160 really 3952 00:32:22.280 --> 00:32:22.430 . 3953 00:32:22.430 --> 00:32:22.440 What are their 3954 00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:23.180 vaccines 3955 00:32:23.180 --> 00:32:23.540 ? 3956 00:32:23.540 --> 00:32:23.720 When their 3957 00:32:23.720 --> 00:32:24.140 vaccine 3958 00:32:24.200 --> 00:32:24.320 ... 3959 00:32:24.320 --> 00:32:24.590 No one was looking at 3960 00:32:24.590 --> 00:32:24.830 MMR. 3961 00:32:24.860 --> 00:32:25.310 Nobody was 3962 00:32:25.310 --> 00:32:25.790 looking at them, 3963 00:32:25.790 --> 00:32:26.240 but they 3964 00:32:26.240 --> 00:32:26.450 were 3965 00:32:26.450 --> 00:32:26.810 looking 3966 00:32:26.810 --> 00:32:27.200 at, we 3967 00:32:27.200 --> 00:32:27.530 had 3968 00:32:27.530 --> 00:32:27.890 polio 3969 00:32:27.890 --> 00:32:28.340 vaccine 3970 00:32:28.340 --> 00:32:28.970 lawsuits. 3971 00:32:29.360 --> 00:32:29.840 There were some 3972 00:32:29.840 --> 00:32:30.110 very 3973 00:32:30.110 --> 00:32:30.590 important 3974 00:32:30.590 --> 00:32:31.010 polio 3975 00:32:31.010 --> 00:32:31.430 vaccine 3976 00:32:31.430 --> 00:32:31.880 lawsuits, 3977 00:32:31.880 --> 00:32:32.300 and of 3978 00:32:32.300 --> 00:32:32.570 course 3979 00:32:32.570 --> 00:32:33.140 DPT. 3980 00:32:34.740 --> 00:32:35.820 So 3981 00:32:35.820 --> 00:32:36.300 what 3982 00:32:36.300 --> 00:32:36.480 do the 3983 00:32:36.480 --> 00:32:37.320 manufacturers 3984 00:32:37.320 --> 00:32:38.220 do? 3985 00:32:39.000 --> 00:32:39.510 They 3986 00:32:39.510 --> 00:32:39.870 say 3987 00:32:39.870 --> 00:32:40.230 we're going to 3988 00:32:40.230 --> 00:32:40.500 leave the 3989 00:32:40.710 --> 00:32:41.010 country 3990 00:32:41.010 --> 00:32:41.460 without any 3991 00:32:41.460 --> 00:32:42.300 vaccine. 3992 00:32:42.480 --> 00:32:43.050 And 3993 00:32:43.050 --> 00:32:43.560 the 3994 00:32:43.560 --> 00:32:44.160 Congress 3995 00:32:44.160 --> 00:32:44.790 said, 3996 00:32:44.790 --> 00:32:45.300 we've 3997 00:32:45.300 --> 00:32:45.660 got to 3998 00:32:45.660 --> 00:32:46.230 protect 3999 00:32:46.230 --> 00:32:46.440 the 4000 00:32:46.440 --> 00:32:46.950 vaccine 4001 00:32:46.950 --> 00:32:47.430 supply in 4002 00:32:47.430 --> 00:32:47.610 this 4003 00:32:47.610 --> 00:32:48.330 country. 4004 00:32:48.990 --> 00:32:49.410 And 4005 00:32:49.410 --> 00:32:49.830 they said 4006 00:32:49.830 --> 00:32:49.950 to 4007 00:32:49.950 --> 00:32:50.730 Jeff, 4008 00:32:50.970 --> 00:32:51.390 you 4009 00:32:51.390 --> 00:32:51.840 can come to 4010 00:32:51.840 --> 00:32:51.930 the 4011 00:32:51.930 --> 00:32:52.590 table 4012 00:32:52.590 --> 00:32:52.890 and 4013 00:32:52.890 --> 00:32:53.310 fight for 4014 00:32:53.310 --> 00:32:53.580 what you 4015 00:32:53.580 --> 00:32:53.940 think the 4016 00:32:53.940 --> 00:32:54.450 parents 4017 00:32:54.450 --> 00:32:54.720 and the 4018 00:32:54.720 --> 00:32:55.080 children 4019 00:32:55.080 --> 00:32:55.260 should 4020 00:32:55.260 --> 00:32:56.370 get, 4021 00:32:56.370 --> 00:32:56.740 or 4022 00:32:56.740 --> 00:32:57.070 you can 4023 00:32:57.070 --> 00:32:57.550 not come to 4024 00:32:57.550 --> 00:32:57.640 the 4025 00:32:57.640 --> 00:32:58.360 table, 4026 00:32:58.870 --> 00:32:59.350 but we're 4027 00:32:59.350 --> 00:32:59.620 going to 4028 00:32:59.620 --> 00:33:00.010 pass this 4029 00:33:00.010 --> 00:33:00.760 legislation 4030 00:33:00.760 --> 00:33:01.210 to protect 4031 00:33:01.210 --> 00:33:01.300 the 4032 00:33:01.300 --> 00:33:01.750 vaccine 4033 00:33:01.750 --> 00:33:03.570 supply, 4034 00:33:03.570 --> 00:33:04.180 and 4035 00:33:04.180 --> 00:33:04.630 we're going to do 4036 00:33:04.630 --> 00:33:04.990 it with or 4037 00:33:04.990 --> 00:33:05.350 without 4038 00:33:05.350 --> 00:33:05.770 you. 4039 00:33:07.410 --> 00:33:08.100 And 4040 00:33:08.100 --> 00:33:08.670 Jeff 4041 00:33:08.670 --> 00:33:09.360 said, 4042 00:33:09.360 --> 00:33:09.840 what do 4043 00:33:09.840 --> 00:33:10.290 you want me to 4044 00:33:10.290 --> 00:33:10.710 do? 4045 00:33:10.740 --> 00:33:11.010 So 4046 00:33:11.010 --> 00:33:11.580 Congress 4047 00:33:11.580 --> 00:33:12.000 said, we 4048 00:33:12.000 --> 00:33:12.360 are going to 4049 00:33:12.360 --> 00:33:12.750 protect 4050 00:33:12.750 --> 00:33:12.990 this 4051 00:33:12.990 --> 00:33:13.440 supply. 4052 00:33:13.470 --> 00:33:13.950 We know that 4053 00:33:13.950 --> 00:33:14.340 they're coming 4054 00:33:14.340 --> 00:33:14.580 up and 4055 00:33:14.580 --> 00:33:14.970 talking 4056 00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:15.120 to 4057 00:33:15.120 --> 00:33:15.780 us, 4058 00:33:15.780 --> 00:33:16.260 so 4059 00:33:16.260 --> 00:33:16.590 you can 4060 00:33:16.590 --> 00:33:17.100 either 4061 00:33:17.100 --> 00:33:17.670 cry 4062 00:33:17.670 --> 00:33:18.000 and go 4063 00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:18.420 whine 4064 00:33:18.420 --> 00:33:18.870 and not 4065 00:33:18.870 --> 00:33:18.990 be 4066 00:33:18.990 --> 00:33:19.830 involved, 4067 00:33:19.830 --> 00:33:20.700 or 4068 00:33:20.700 --> 00:33:21.000 be 4069 00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:21.480 involved in 4070 00:33:21.480 --> 00:33:21.630 these 4071 00:33:21.630 --> 00:33:22.140 negotiations. 4072 00:33:22.140 --> 00:33:22.620 What would you have 4073 00:33:22.620 --> 00:33:23.190 done? 4074 00:33:23.190 --> 00:33:23.940 Right 4075 00:33:24.030 --> 00:33:24.390 . Who would 4076 00:33:24.390 --> 00:33:24.630 leave the 4077 00:33:24.630 --> 00:33:25.200 room? 4078 00:33:25.770 --> 00:33:25.950 I 4079 00:33:25.950 --> 00:33:26.400 mean, 4080 00:33:26.400 --> 00:33:26.700 we 4081 00:33:26.700 --> 00:33:27.030 had to 4082 00:33:27.030 --> 00:33:27.420 fight for 4083 00:33:27.420 --> 00:33:27.720 what we 4084 00:33:27.720 --> 00:33:28.170 thought the 4085 00:33:28.170 --> 00:33:29.010 children 4086 00:33:29.010 --> 00:33:29.490 and 4087 00:33:29.490 --> 00:33:29.910 the parents 4088 00:33:29.910 --> 00:33:30.030 should 4089 00:33:30.030 --> 00:33:30.570 get, 4090 00:33:30.570 --> 00:33:31.050 and 4091 00:33:31.050 --> 00:33:31.530 we tried 4092 00:33:31.530 --> 00:33:31.680 our 4093 00:33:31.680 --> 00:33:32.280 best, 4094 00:33:32.280 --> 00:33:32.850 coming 4095 00:33:32.850 --> 00:33:33.030 up 4096 00:33:33.030 --> 00:33:33.660 against 4097 00:33:33.660 --> 00:33:33.990 the 4098 00:33:33.990 --> 00:33:34.650 government, 4099 00:33:34.650 --> 00:33:34.830 the 4100 00:33:34.830 --> 00:33:35.220 administration. 4101 00:33:35.220 --> 00:33:35.580 What time were we, 4102 00:33:35.580 --> 00:33:36.060 now 4103 00:33:36.060 --> 00:33:36.270 we 4104 00:33:36.270 --> 00:33:36.630 instill 4105 00:33:36.630 --> 00:33:36.940 '85, 4106 00:33:36.940 --> 00:33:37.200 your 4107 00:33:37.200 --> 00:33:37.620 book's, I 4108 00:33:37.620 --> 00:33:38.010 mean, is this 4109 00:33:38.010 --> 00:33:38.460 around or is 4110 00:33:38.460 --> 00:33:38.670 this. 4111 00:33:38.670 --> 00:33:39.150 No, this is 4112 00:33:39.150 --> 00:33:39.720 '82 4113 00:33:39.720 --> 00:33:40.200 . 4114 00:33:40.200 --> 00:33:40.680 '82 still. So 4115 00:33:40.680 --> 00:33:41.070 already at 4116 00:33:41.070 --> 00:33:41.580 '82, 4117 00:33:41.580 --> 00:33:42.000 Congress 4118 00:33:42.000 --> 00:33:42.390 is saying we're 4119 00:33:42.390 --> 00:33:42.850 going to protect 4120 00:33:42.850 --> 00:33:42.990 them. 4121 00:33:42.990 --> 00:33:43.580 Oh, 4122 00:33:43.580 --> 00:33:44.070 from the very 4123 00:33:44.070 --> 00:33:44.520 beginning, 4124 00:33:44.520 --> 00:33:44.820 from the 4125 00:33:44.820 --> 00:33:45.240 time that 4126 00:33:45.240 --> 00:33:45.600 that show 4127 00:33:45.630 --> 00:33:45.810 was 4128 00:33:45.810 --> 00:33:46.410 aired. 4129 00:33:46.410 --> 00:33:46.950 Okay. 4130 00:33:46.950 --> 00:33:47.460 Gotcha. 4131 00:33:47.490 --> 00:33:47.610 Oh, 4132 00:33:47.610 --> 00:33:48.150 no. 4133 00:33:48.150 --> 00:33:48.600 They 4134 00:33:48.600 --> 00:33:49.050 were going to 4135 00:33:49.050 --> 00:33:49.440 protect the 4136 00:33:49.440 --> 00:33:49.800 vaccine 4137 00:33:49.800 --> 00:33:50.220 supply 4138 00:33:50.220 --> 00:33:50.640 because the 4139 00:33:50.640 --> 00:33:50.970 companies 4140 00:33:50.970 --> 00:33:51.150 were 4141 00:33:51.150 --> 00:33:51.630 saying, you 4142 00:33:51.630 --> 00:33:51.870 don't 4143 00:33:51.870 --> 00:33:52.260 play 4144 00:33:52.260 --> 00:33:52.680 if you do 4145 00:33:52.680 --> 00:33:53.100 not give 4146 00:33:53.100 --> 00:33:53.220 us 4147 00:33:53.220 --> 00:33:53.670 liability 4148 00:33:53.670 --> 00:33:54.210 protection, 4149 00:33:54.210 --> 00:33:54.660 we're out 4150 00:33:54.660 --> 00:33:54.840 of here. 4151 00:33:54.840 --> 00:33:55.350 Okay. 4152 00:33:55.440 --> 00:33:55.860 Got 4153 00:33:55.860 --> 00:33:56.220 it. 4154 00:33:56.940 --> 00:33:57.480 And 4155 00:33:57.480 --> 00:33:57.960 parents, you 4156 00:33:57.960 --> 00:33:58.410 can come to the 4157 00:33:58.410 --> 00:33:58.830 table or 4158 00:33:58.830 --> 00:33:59.190 not, but 4159 00:33:59.190 --> 00:33:59.610 we're going to 4160 00:33:59.610 --> 00:33:59.730 do 4161 00:33:59.730 --> 00:34:00.330 this. 4162 00:34:01.090 --> 00:34:01.960 So 4163 00:34:01.960 --> 00:34:02.260 we 4164 00:34:02.260 --> 00:34:02.740 said we'll 4165 00:34:02.740 --> 00:34:03.190 come to the 4166 00:34:03.190 --> 00:34:04.150 table, 4167 00:34:04.800 --> 00:34:05.160 but 4168 00:34:05.160 --> 00:34:05.490 there is 4169 00:34:05.490 --> 00:34:05.730 three 4170 00:34:05.730 --> 00:34:06.570 things 4171 00:34:07.170 --> 00:34:07.560 . We 4172 00:34:07.560 --> 00:34:08.040 will never 4173 00:34:08.040 --> 00:34:08.760 agree 4174 00:34:09.060 --> 00:34:09.360 to 4175 00:34:09.360 --> 00:34:09.790 complete 4176 00:34:09.790 --> 00:34:10.170 liability 4177 00:34:10.170 --> 00:34:10.620 protection 4178 00:34:10.620 --> 00:34:10.800 for 4179 00:34:10.800 --> 00:34:11.220 doctors 4180 00:34:11.220 --> 00:34:11.580 or for 4181 00:34:11.580 --> 00:34:12.570 manufacturers. 4182 00:34:13.540 --> 00:34:14.140 Number 4183 00:34:14.140 --> 00:34:14.590 two, 4184 00:34:14.620 --> 00:34:15.010 if you're 4185 00:34:15.010 --> 00:34:15.220 going to 4186 00:34:15.220 --> 00:34:15.610 protect the 4187 00:34:15.610 --> 00:34:16.000 vaccine 4188 00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:16.630 supply, 4189 00:34:16.630 --> 00:34:17.080 you have 4190 00:34:17.080 --> 00:34:17.530 to protect 4191 00:34:17.530 --> 00:34:17.620 the 4192 00:34:17.620 --> 00:34:18.040 children 4193 00:34:18.040 --> 00:34:18.280 by 4194 00:34:18.280 --> 00:34:18.580 safety 4195 00:34:18.580 --> 00:34:19.450 provisions. 4196 00:34:19.570 --> 00:34:20.110 Safety 4197 00:34:20.110 --> 00:34:20.710 provisions 4198 00:34:20.710 --> 00:34:21.190 have to 4199 00:34:21.190 --> 00:34:21.670 be part of 4200 00:34:21.670 --> 00:34:21.880 this 4201 00:34:21.880 --> 00:34:22.390 law. 4202 00:34:23.200 --> 00:34:23.860 Equal 4203 00:34:23.860 --> 00:34:24.790 emphasis. 4204 00:34:25.650 --> 00:34:26.190 And 4205 00:34:26.190 --> 00:34:26.310 the 4206 00:34:26.310 --> 00:34:26.910 third, 4207 00:34:26.910 --> 00:34:27.210 because 4208 00:34:27.210 --> 00:34:27.420 they 4209 00:34:27.420 --> 00:34:27.720 they 4210 00:34:27.720 --> 00:34:28.260 immediately 4211 00:34:28.260 --> 00:34:28.710 went to 4212 00:34:29.100 --> 00:34:29.550 a federal 4213 00:34:29.550 --> 00:34:30.240 compensation 4214 00:34:30.240 --> 00:34:30.750 program. 4215 00:34:30.750 --> 00:34:31.530 Why? 4216 00:34:31.710 --> 00:34:32.190 They 4217 00:34:32.190 --> 00:34:32.670 had had a 4218 00:34:32.670 --> 00:34:33.090 swine 4219 00:34:33.090 --> 00:34:33.930 flu 4220 00:34:33.930 --> 00:34:34.950 compensation 4221 00:34:34.950 --> 00:34:35.430 program in 4222 00:34:35.430 --> 00:34:37.140 1976 4223 00:34:37.140 --> 00:34:37.620 . The 4224 00:34:37.620 --> 00:34:37.980 swine 4225 00:34:37.980 --> 00:34:38.250 flu 4226 00:34:38.250 --> 00:34:39.790 vaccine 4227 00:34:39.790 --> 00:34:40.470 that 4228 00:34:40.470 --> 00:34:40.950 was put 4229 00:34:40.950 --> 00:34:41.370 out, 4230 00:34:41.370 --> 00:34:41.670 which 4231 00:34:41.670 --> 00:34:42.120 was 4232 00:34:42.120 --> 00:34:42.390 a 4233 00:34:42.390 --> 00:34:42.960 bogus, 4234 00:34:42.960 --> 00:34:43.350 it was a 4235 00:34:43.350 --> 00:34:43.740 bogus 4236 00:34:43.740 --> 00:34:44.070 swine 4237 00:34:44.070 --> 00:34:44.370 flu 4238 00:34:44.370 --> 00:34:45.030 pandemic, 4239 00:34:45.030 --> 00:34:45.450 it wasn't 4240 00:34:45.450 --> 00:34:45.960 really, 4241 00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:46.140 you 4242 00:34:46.140 --> 00:34:46.620 know. 4243 00:34:47.670 --> 00:34:48.120 And 4244 00:34:48.120 --> 00:34:48.510 a billion. 4245 00:34:48.570 --> 00:34:48.990 Thank God we don't do 4246 00:34:48.990 --> 00:34:49.110 that 4247 00:34:49.110 --> 00:34:49.770 anymore. 4248 00:34:50.160 --> 00:34:50.580 Yeah, 4249 00:34:50.580 --> 00:34:51.120 right. 4250 00:34:52.740 --> 00:34:53.130 That 4251 00:34:53.130 --> 00:34:53.370 never 4252 00:34:53.370 --> 00:34:53.730 happens 4253 00:34:53.730 --> 00:34:54.120 anymore, 4254 00:34:54.120 --> 00:34:56.900 right? 4255 00:34:56.900 --> 00:34:57.600 So 4256 00:34:57.600 --> 00:34:58.050 they 4257 00:34:58.050 --> 00:34:58.350 paid 4258 00:34:58.350 --> 00:34:58.830 a billion 4259 00:34:58.830 --> 00:34:59.700 bucks 4260 00:35:00.030 --> 00:35:00.600 because 4261 00:35:00.600 --> 00:35:00.750 they 4262 00:35:00.750 --> 00:35:01.380 indemnified 4263 00:35:01.380 --> 00:35:01.590 these 4264 00:35:01.590 --> 00:35:02.020 companies, 4265 00:35:02.020 --> 00:35:02.520 that was when 4266 00:35:02.520 --> 00:35:02.640 the 4267 00:35:02.640 --> 00:35:03.440 indemnification, 4268 00:35:03.440 --> 00:35:03.810 the first 4269 00:35:03.810 --> 00:35:04.590 indemnification 4270 00:35:04.590 --> 00:35:05.070 occurred was on 4271 00:35:05.070 --> 00:35:05.340 swine 4272 00:35:05.340 --> 00:35:05.730 flu in 4273 00:35:05.730 --> 00:35:07.110 '76. 4274 00:35:07.140 --> 00:35:07.650 And 4275 00:35:07.650 --> 00:35:08.130 they ended 4276 00:35:08.130 --> 00:35:08.280 up 4277 00:35:08.280 --> 00:35:08.760 paying 4278 00:35:08.760 --> 00:35:09.150 all this 4279 00:35:09.150 --> 00:35:09.570 money. 4280 00:35:09.570 --> 00:35:10.140 And 4281 00:35:10.140 --> 00:35:10.830 because 4282 00:35:10.830 --> 00:35:10.980 the 4283 00:35:10.980 --> 00:35:11.640 manufacturers 4284 00:35:11.640 --> 00:35:12.000 said, this 4285 00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:12.150 is 4286 00:35:12.150 --> 00:35:12.540 safe, 4287 00:35:12.540 --> 00:35:13.140 effective, 4288 00:35:13.140 --> 00:35:13.470 and they 4289 00:35:13.470 --> 00:35:14.100 fast-tracked 4290 00:35:14.100 --> 00:35:14.250 that 4291 00:35:14.250 --> 00:35:14.910 vaccine, 4292 00:35:15.120 --> 00:35:15.540 that swine 4293 00:35:15.540 --> 00:35:15.750 flu 4294 00:35:15.750 --> 00:35:16.350 vaccine 4295 00:35:16.350 --> 00:35:16.520 . 4296 00:35:16.520 --> 00:35:16.950 Okay, 4297 00:35:16.950 --> 00:35:17.400 so 4298 00:35:17.400 --> 00:35:18.450 immediately, 4299 00:35:18.450 --> 00:35:18.660 a 4300 00:35:18.660 --> 00:35:19.500 compensation 4301 00:35:19.500 --> 00:35:20.010 program 4302 00:35:20.010 --> 00:35:20.250 was 4303 00:35:20.250 --> 00:35:20.700 part of the 4304 00:35:20.700 --> 00:35:21.690 conversation 4305 00:35:21.690 --> 00:35:22.200 because 4306 00:35:22.200 --> 00:35:22.560 they already 4307 00:35:22.560 --> 00:35:22.980 knew how to 4308 00:35:22.980 --> 00:35:23.220 do 4309 00:35:23.220 --> 00:35:23.910 that. 4310 00:35:23.910 --> 00:35:25.020 We 4311 00:35:25.020 --> 00:35:25.320 said if 4312 00:35:25.320 --> 00:35:25.770 there's going to 4313 00:35:25.770 --> 00:35:25.980 be a 4314 00:35:25.980 --> 00:35:26.280 federal 4315 00:35:26.280 --> 00:35:26.940 compensation 4316 00:35:26.940 --> 00:35:27.390 program, it 4317 00:35:27.390 --> 00:35:27.870 has to be 4318 00:35:27.870 --> 00:35:28.020 an 4319 00:35:28.020 --> 00:35:28.770 alternative 4320 00:35:28.770 --> 00:35:29.040 to a 4321 00:35:29.040 --> 00:35:29.910 lawsuit. 4322 00:35:29.910 --> 00:35:30.330 In other 4323 00:35:30.330 --> 00:35:30.570 words, 4324 00:35:30.570 --> 00:35:30.930 parents 4325 00:35:30.930 --> 00:35:31.380 can choose 4326 00:35:31.380 --> 00:35:31.830 to either go 4327 00:35:31.830 --> 00:35:31.950 to 4328 00:35:31.950 --> 00:35:32.460 court 4329 00:35:32.460 --> 00:35:32.880 or they 4330 00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:33.330 can choose 4331 00:35:33.330 --> 00:35:33.630 to get 4332 00:35:33.630 --> 00:35:34.650 compensation. 4333 00:35:35.310 --> 00:35:35.490 We 4334 00:35:35.490 --> 00:35:35.880 understood 4335 00:35:35.880 --> 00:35:36.360 they couldn't do 4336 00:35:36.360 --> 00:35:37.140 both, 4337 00:35:37.140 --> 00:35:37.620 but they could 4338 00:35:37.620 --> 00:35:38.040 choose 4339 00:35:38.040 --> 00:35:38.820 that. 4340 00:35:39.570 --> 00:35:40.530 So 4341 00:35:40.530 --> 00:35:40.920 we said 4342 00:35:40.920 --> 00:35:41.370 if there's a 4343 00:35:41.370 --> 00:35:42.120 compensation 4344 00:35:42.120 --> 00:35:42.930 program, 4345 00:35:43.200 --> 00:35:43.560 it 4346 00:35:43.560 --> 00:35:43.980 has to 4347 00:35:43.980 --> 00:35:44.700 be 4348 00:35:44.700 --> 00:35:45.870 fair, 4349 00:35:45.870 --> 00:35:46.980 expedited, 4350 00:35:46.980 --> 00:35:47.400 less 4351 00:35:47.400 --> 00:35:48.060 traumatic, 4352 00:35:48.060 --> 00:35:48.360 less 4353 00:35:48.360 --> 00:35:49.110 expensive, 4354 00:35:49.110 --> 00:35:49.500 more 4355 00:35:49.500 --> 00:35:51.210 predictable 4356 00:35:51.210 --> 00:35:51.730 than 4357 00:35:51.730 --> 00:35:51.820 a 4358 00:35:51.820 --> 00:35:52.390 court 4359 00:35:52.390 --> 00:35:52.720 . 4360 00:35:52.720 --> 00:35:53.170 Than going up 4361 00:35:53.170 --> 00:35:53.530 against 4362 00:35:53.530 --> 00:35:53.710 this 4363 00:35:53.710 --> 00:35:54.430 monolithic 4364 00:35:54.430 --> 00:35:54.670 drug 4365 00:35:54.670 --> 00:35:55.480 company. 4366 00:35:55.510 --> 00:35:55.910 Right. 4367 00:35:55.910 --> 00:35:56.080 And 4368 00:35:56.080 --> 00:35:57.010 remember, 4369 00:35:57.010 --> 00:35:57.460 I mean, 4370 00:35:57.460 --> 00:35:57.790 at least 4371 00:35:57.790 --> 00:35:58.060 back 4372 00:35:58.060 --> 00:35:58.960 then, 4373 00:35:58.960 --> 00:35:59.620 doctors 4374 00:35:59.620 --> 00:35:59.830 weren't 4375 00:35:59.830 --> 00:36:00.160 keeping 4376 00:36:00.160 --> 00:36:01.000 records. 4377 00:36:01.450 --> 00:36:01.810 They were 4378 00:36:01.810 --> 00:36:02.110 giving 4379 00:36:02.110 --> 00:36:02.380 kids 4380 00:36:02.380 --> 00:36:02.860 shots, they 4381 00:36:02.860 --> 00:36:03.340 weren't even 4382 00:36:03.340 --> 00:36:03.760 saying 4383 00:36:03.760 --> 00:36:03.970 what 4384 00:36:03.970 --> 00:36:04.780 manufacturer 4385 00:36:04.780 --> 00:36:04.870 it 4386 00:36:04.870 --> 00:36:05.530 was. 4387 00:36:06.240 --> 00:36:06.510 If you 4388 00:36:06.510 --> 00:36:06.780 didn't 4389 00:36:06.780 --> 00:36:07.050 couldn't 4390 00:36:07.050 --> 00:36:07.470 prove what 4391 00:36:07.470 --> 00:36:08.220 manufacturer 4392 00:36:08.220 --> 00:36:08.580 it was, 4393 00:36:08.580 --> 00:36:09.030 you couldn't 4394 00:36:09.030 --> 00:36:09.240 sue 4395 00:36:09.240 --> 00:36:09.780 them. 4396 00:36:09.810 --> 00:36:11.820 Same 4397 00:36:11.820 --> 00:36:12.000 with 4398 00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:12.570 doctors. 4399 00:36:12.570 --> 00:36:12.960 They were 4400 00:36:12.960 --> 00:36:13.500 destroying 4401 00:36:13.500 --> 00:36:13.830 medical 4402 00:36:13.830 --> 00:36:14.260 records 4403 00:36:14.260 --> 00:36:14.760 and you could 4404 00:36:14.760 --> 00:36:15.180 never 4405 00:36:15.180 --> 00:36:15.750 prove 4406 00:36:15.750 --> 00:36:16.170 that the 4407 00:36:16.170 --> 00:36:16.650 vaccine 4408 00:36:16.650 --> 00:36:17.130 was given 4409 00:36:17.130 --> 00:36:17.370 that 4410 00:36:17.370 --> 00:36:18.090 day, 4411 00:36:18.090 --> 00:36:18.570 and the 4412 00:36:18.570 --> 00:36:18.810 kid 4413 00:36:18.840 --> 00:36:19.260 had those 4414 00:36:19.260 --> 00:36:20.230 reactions, 4415 00:36:20.230 --> 00:36:20.790 records 4416 00:36:20.790 --> 00:36:20.910 were 4417 00:36:20.910 --> 00:36:21.450 disappearing 4418 00:36:21.450 --> 00:36:21.870 all over the 4419 00:36:21.870 --> 00:36:22.560 place. 4420 00:36:23.700 --> 00:36:24.150 They 4421 00:36:24.150 --> 00:36:24.330 weren't 4422 00:36:24.330 --> 00:36:24.840 reporting 4423 00:36:24.840 --> 00:36:25.650 reactions. 4424 00:36:25.650 --> 00:36:26.040 There 4425 00:36:26.040 --> 00:36:26.220 was 4426 00:36:26.220 --> 00:36:26.790 two 4427 00:36:26.790 --> 00:36:27.240 ways 4428 00:36:27.240 --> 00:36:27.390 to 4429 00:36:27.390 --> 00:36:27.990 report, 4430 00:36:27.990 --> 00:36:28.200 there 4431 00:36:28.200 --> 00:36:28.650 was, you 4432 00:36:28.650 --> 00:36:29.130 could report 4433 00:36:29.130 --> 00:36:29.400 to the 4434 00:36:29.400 --> 00:36:29.910 FDA, 4435 00:36:29.910 --> 00:36:30.300 or you could 4436 00:36:30.420 --> 00:36:30.780 report 4437 00:36:30.780 --> 00:36:31.230 to the 4438 00:36:31.230 --> 00:36:32.100 CDC. 4439 00:36:32.130 --> 00:36:32.610 Public 4440 00:36:32.610 --> 00:36:33.090 health clinics 4441 00:36:33.090 --> 00:36:33.540 reported to the 4442 00:36:33.540 --> 00:36:33.930 CDC, 4443 00:36:33.930 --> 00:36:34.380 private 4444 00:36:34.380 --> 00:36:34.620 doctors 4445 00:36:34.620 --> 00:36:35.100 reported to the 4446 00:36:35.100 --> 00:36:35.760 FDA. 4447 00:36:35.760 --> 00:36:36.570 Manufacturers 4448 00:36:36.570 --> 00:36:36.750 are 4449 00:36:36.750 --> 00:36:37.080 supposed 4450 00:36:37.080 --> 00:36:37.260 to 4451 00:36:37.260 --> 00:36:37.680 report to 4452 00:36:37.680 --> 00:36:37.800 the 4453 00:36:37.800 --> 00:36:38.280 FDA. 4454 00:36:38.280 --> 00:36:38.760 So we 4455 00:36:38.760 --> 00:36:39.090 said you've 4456 00:36:39.090 --> 00:36:39.390 got to 4457 00:36:39.390 --> 00:36:40.380 centralize 4458 00:36:40.380 --> 00:36:41.040 the 4459 00:36:41.040 --> 00:36:41.430 reporting 4460 00:36:41.430 --> 00:36:42.090 system. 4461 00:36:42.090 --> 00:36:42.510 You've 4462 00:36:42.510 --> 00:36:42.930 got to make 4463 00:36:42.930 --> 00:36:43.410 it open and 4464 00:36:43.410 --> 00:36:44.040 transparent 4465 00:36:44.040 --> 00:36:44.370 so 4466 00:36:44.370 --> 00:36:44.790 parents 4467 00:36:44.790 --> 00:36:44.970 can 4468 00:36:44.970 --> 00:36:45.390 report 4469 00:36:45.390 --> 00:36:46.050 too 4470 00:36:46.320 --> 00:36:46.800 . You've got to 4471 00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:47.130 have a 4472 00:36:47.130 --> 00:36:47.580 safety 4473 00:36:47.580 --> 00:36:48.000 part of 4474 00:36:48.000 --> 00:36:48.210 this 4475 00:36:48.210 --> 00:36:48.840 law, 4476 00:36:48.840 --> 00:36:49.530 and 4477 00:36:49.530 --> 00:36:49.650 the 4478 00:36:49.650 --> 00:36:50.400 compensation 4479 00:36:50.400 --> 00:36:50.820 has to 4480 00:36:50.820 --> 00:36:51.060 work 4481 00:36:51.060 --> 00:36:51.540 properly 4482 00:36:51.540 --> 00:36:51.870 because 4483 00:36:51.870 --> 00:36:53.190 if 4484 00:36:53.190 --> 00:36:53.310 the 4485 00:36:53.310 --> 00:36:54.090 compensation 4486 00:36:54.090 --> 00:36:54.450 system 4487 00:36:54.450 --> 00:36:54.810 doesn't 4488 00:36:54.810 --> 00:36:55.050 work 4489 00:36:55.050 --> 00:36:55.830 properly, 4490 00:36:55.830 --> 00:36:56.130 you 4491 00:36:56.130 --> 00:36:56.370 put 4492 00:36:56.370 --> 00:36:56.640 no 4493 00:36:56.640 --> 00:36:57.450 pressure 4494 00:36:57.450 --> 00:36:58.050 on 4495 00:36:58.050 --> 00:36:58.170 the 4496 00:36:58.170 --> 00:36:59.220 companies. 4497 00:37:00.520 --> 00:37:00.910 You 4498 00:37:00.910 --> 00:37:01.270 keep the 4499 00:37:01.270 --> 00:37:01.840 liability 4500 00:37:01.840 --> 00:37:02.110 for the 4501 00:37:02.110 --> 00:37:02.650 companies 4502 00:37:02.650 --> 00:37:03.130 because 4503 00:37:03.130 --> 00:37:03.490 then it 4504 00:37:03.490 --> 00:37:04.000 makes, 4505 00:37:04.000 --> 00:37:04.360 it 4506 00:37:04.360 --> 00:37:04.720 forces 4507 00:37:04.720 --> 00:37:05.170 them to make 4508 00:37:05.170 --> 00:37:05.500 a better 4509 00:37:05.500 --> 00:37:05.980 mousetrap. 4510 00:37:06.010 --> 00:37:06.490 It's the only, 4511 00:37:06.910 --> 00:37:07.300 it's the 4512 00:37:07.330 --> 00:37:07.750 only 4513 00:37:07.750 --> 00:37:08.050 true 4514 00:37:08.050 --> 00:37:08.500 market 4515 00:37:08.500 --> 00:37:08.950 force you 4516 00:37:08.950 --> 00:37:09.370 have in 4517 00:37:09.370 --> 00:37:09.580 big 4518 00:37:09.580 --> 00:37:10.210 business, 4519 00:37:10.210 --> 00:37:10.610 right, 4520 00:37:10.610 --> 00:37:11.110 is you got 4521 00:37:11.110 --> 00:37:11.500 to stand by 4522 00:37:11.500 --> 00:37:11.950 your product. 4523 00:37:11.950 --> 00:37:12.160 If you 4524 00:37:12.160 --> 00:37:13.060 can't, 4525 00:37:13.060 --> 00:37:13.510 then 4526 00:37:13.510 --> 00:37:13.930 why are you 4527 00:37:13.930 --> 00:37:14.410 ever going to 4528 00:37:14.410 --> 00:37:14.770 fix 4529 00:37:14.770 --> 00:37:15.280 it? 4530 00:37:15.430 --> 00:37:16.180 So 4531 00:37:16.180 --> 00:37:16.360 we're 4532 00:37:16.360 --> 00:37:16.960 testifying 4533 00:37:16.960 --> 00:37:17.110 in 4534 00:37:17.110 --> 00:37:17.910 hearings, 4535 00:37:17.910 --> 00:37:18.280 we're 4536 00:37:18.280 --> 00:37:18.700 bringing the 4537 00:37:18.700 --> 00:37:19.090 parents 4538 00:37:19.090 --> 00:37:19.510 forward who 4539 00:37:19.510 --> 00:37:19.810 had 4540 00:37:19.810 --> 00:37:20.140 vaccine 4541 00:37:20.140 --> 00:37:20.410 injured 4542 00:37:20.410 --> 00:37:21.540 children, 4543 00:37:21.540 --> 00:37:21.970 and we're 4544 00:37:21.970 --> 00:37:22.300 trying 4545 00:37:22.300 --> 00:37:22.570 to, 4546 00:37:22.840 --> 00:37:23.110 we're 4547 00:37:23.110 --> 00:37:23.500 fighting 4548 00:37:23.500 --> 00:37:24.490 against, 4549 00:37:24.640 --> 00:37:24.970 the 4550 00:37:24.970 --> 00:37:25.270 Reagan 4551 00:37:25.270 --> 00:37:26.080 administration 4552 00:37:26.080 --> 00:37:26.530 wanted no 4553 00:37:26.530 --> 00:37:27.970 lawsuits, 4554 00:37:27.970 --> 00:37:28.360 the 4555 00:37:28.360 --> 00:37:28.840 doctor, 4556 00:37:28.840 --> 00:37:29.260 the medical 4557 00:37:29.260 --> 00:37:29.590 trade 4558 00:37:29.590 --> 00:37:30.070 wanted no 4559 00:37:30.070 --> 00:37:30.820 lawsuits, 4560 00:37:30.820 --> 00:37:31.120 and the 4561 00:37:31.120 --> 00:37:31.570 companies 4562 00:37:31.570 --> 00:37:32.020 wanted no 4563 00:37:32.020 --> 00:37:32.890 lawsuits. 4564 00:37:32.890 --> 00:37:33.370 And 4565 00:37:33.370 --> 00:37:33.700 we were 4566 00:37:33.700 --> 00:37:34.000 here 4567 00:37:34.000 --> 00:37:34.660 saying, 4568 00:37:34.660 --> 00:37:35.110 that's 4569 00:37:35.110 --> 00:37:35.350 not 4570 00:37:35.350 --> 00:37:35.950 right. 4571 00:37:35.950 --> 00:37:36.430 We won't 4572 00:37:36.430 --> 00:37:36.820 agree to 4573 00:37:36.820 --> 00:37:37.300 that. 4574 00:37:39.640 --> 00:37:40.750 So 4575 00:37:40.750 --> 00:37:41.260 what 4576 00:37:41.260 --> 00:37:41.650 happened 4577 00:37:41.650 --> 00:37:42.130 was the 4578 00:37:42.130 --> 00:37:42.550 company.... 4579 00:37:42.550 --> 00:37:43.000 Now where was 4580 00:37:43.000 --> 00:37:43.450 Reagan at, 4581 00:37:43.450 --> 00:37:43.750 cause I 4582 00:37:43.750 --> 00:37:44.200 always heard 4583 00:37:44.200 --> 00:37:44.380 that 4584 00:37:44.380 --> 00:37:44.830 Reagan 4585 00:37:44.830 --> 00:37:45.310 was not 4586 00:37:45.310 --> 00:37:45.400 a 4587 00:37:45.400 --> 00:37:45.850 fan 4588 00:37:45.850 --> 00:37:46.510 of, 4589 00:37:46.720 --> 00:37:46.990 you 4590 00:37:46.990 --> 00:37:47.690 know, 4591 00:37:47.690 --> 00:37:47.890 of 4592 00:37:47.890 --> 00:37:48.370 liability 4593 00:37:48.370 --> 00:37:49.210 protection, 4594 00:37:49.210 --> 00:37:49.570 but 4595 00:37:49.570 --> 00:37:50.020 you just 4596 00:37:50.020 --> 00:37:50.320 said he 4597 00:37:50.320 --> 00:37:50.650 didn't, 4598 00:37:50.650 --> 00:37:50.980 that 4599 00:37:50.980 --> 00:37:51.220 Reagan 4600 00:37:51.220 --> 00:37:51.730 administration 4601 00:37:51.730 --> 00:37:52.150 didn't want 4602 00:37:52.150 --> 00:37:52.990 lawsuits. 4603 00:37:52.990 --> 00:37:53.500 They, 4604 00:37:53.500 --> 00:37:53.950 oh 4605 00:37:53.950 --> 00:37:54.520 no, 4606 00:37:54.520 --> 00:37:54.730 they 4607 00:37:54.730 --> 00:37:55.060 didn't 4608 00:37:55.060 --> 00:37:55.390 want 4609 00:37:55.390 --> 00:37:55.780 any 4610 00:37:55.780 --> 00:37:56.710 lawsuits 4611 00:37:56.710 --> 00:37:57.040 . At the 4612 00:37:57.040 --> 00:37:57.400 very 4613 00:37:57.400 --> 00:37:57.880 end, they 4614 00:37:57.880 --> 00:37:58.150 were the 4615 00:37:58.150 --> 00:37:59.270 last. 4616 00:37:59.270 --> 00:37:59.710 He was 4617 00:37:59.710 --> 00:37:59.980 going to 4618 00:37:59.980 --> 00:38:00.310 pocket 4619 00:38:00.310 --> 00:38:01.060 veto 4620 00:38:01.620 --> 00:38:02.100 this 4621 00:38:02.100 --> 00:38:02.550 omnibus 4622 00:38:02.550 --> 00:38:02.820 health 4623 00:38:02.820 --> 00:38:03.090 bill 4624 00:38:03.210 --> 00:38:03.690 that 4625 00:38:03.690 --> 00:38:04.170 the act had 4626 00:38:04.170 --> 00:38:04.530 been put 4627 00:38:04.530 --> 00:38:05.190 into 4628 00:38:05.190 --> 00:38:05.520 in 4629 00:38:05.520 --> 00:38:06.570 '86. 4630 00:38:06.780 --> 00:38:07.290 Parents 4631 00:38:07.290 --> 00:38:07.650 and their 4632 00:38:07.650 --> 00:38:08.250 handicapped 4633 00:38:08.250 --> 00:38:08.850 children 4634 00:38:08.850 --> 00:38:09.180 in a 4635 00:38:09.180 --> 00:38:09.720 candlelight 4636 00:38:09.720 --> 00:38:10.140 vigil 4637 00:38:10.140 --> 00:38:10.590 trying to 4638 00:38:10.590 --> 00:38:10.890 get the 4639 00:38:10.890 --> 00:38:11.460 President 4640 00:38:11.460 --> 00:38:11.580 to 4641 00:38:11.580 --> 00:38:12.180 help. 4642 00:38:12.330 --> 00:38:12.780 One of the 4643 00:38:12.780 --> 00:38:12.990 few 4644 00:38:12.990 --> 00:38:13.410 pieces of 4645 00:38:13.410 --> 00:38:14.070 legislation 4646 00:38:14.070 --> 00:38:14.550 passed by 4647 00:38:14.550 --> 00:38:14.940 the last 4648 00:38:14.940 --> 00:38:15.390 Congress 4649 00:38:15.390 --> 00:38:15.840 that is left 4650 00:38:15.840 --> 00:38:16.110 to be 4651 00:38:16.110 --> 00:38:16.530 signed by 4652 00:38:16.530 --> 00:38:16.620 the 4653 00:38:16.620 --> 00:38:17.250 President 4654 00:38:17.250 --> 00:38:17.550 is 4655 00:38:17.550 --> 00:38:17.760 an 4656 00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:18.270 omnibus 4657 00:38:18.270 --> 00:38:18.570 health 4658 00:38:18.570 --> 00:38:19.050 bill. 4659 00:38:19.050 --> 00:38:19.440 That 4660 00:38:19.440 --> 00:38:19.710 bill 4661 00:38:19.710 --> 00:38:20.130 includes 4662 00:38:20.130 --> 00:38:20.220 a 4663 00:38:20.220 --> 00:38:20.640 provision 4664 00:38:20.640 --> 00:38:21.090 that would give 4665 00:38:21.090 --> 00:38:21.480 a lot of 4666 00:38:21.480 --> 00:38:21.930 relief to 4667 00:38:21.930 --> 00:38:22.320 parents 4668 00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:22.500 whose 4669 00:38:22.500 --> 00:38:22.890 children 4670 00:38:22.890 --> 00:38:23.220 have been 4671 00:38:23.220 --> 00:38:23.580 damaged 4672 00:38:23.580 --> 00:38:23.880 by a 4673 00:38:23.880 --> 00:38:24.330 vaccine 4674 00:38:24.330 --> 00:38:24.600 in this 4675 00:38:24.600 --> 00:38:25.260 country, 4676 00:38:25.260 --> 00:38:25.710 but 4677 00:38:25.710 --> 00:38:26.100 the Justice 4678 00:38:26.100 --> 00:38:26.430 Department 4679 00:38:26.430 --> 00:38:26.700 doesn't 4680 00:38:26.700 --> 00:38:27.060 want the 4681 00:38:27.060 --> 00:38:27.480 vaccine 4682 00:38:27.480 --> 00:38:28.110 compensation 4683 00:38:28.110 --> 00:38:28.380 bill, 4684 00:38:28.380 --> 00:38:28.800 saying it's 4685 00:38:28.800 --> 00:38:29.010 not 4686 00:38:29.010 --> 00:38:30.000 necessary. 4687 00:38:30.030 --> 00:38:30.480 These 4688 00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:30.810 parents 4689 00:38:30.810 --> 00:38:31.050 say 4690 00:38:31.050 --> 00:38:31.350 they 4691 00:38:31.350 --> 00:38:31.590 are 4692 00:38:31.590 --> 00:38:31.980 really 4693 00:38:31.980 --> 00:38:32.610 struggling 4694 00:38:32.640 --> 00:38:33.000 to make 4695 00:38:33.000 --> 00:38:33.240 ends 4696 00:38:33.240 --> 00:38:33.540 meet, 4697 00:38:33.540 --> 00:38:33.810 and 4698 00:38:33.810 --> 00:38:34.080 they 4699 00:38:34.080 --> 00:38:34.440 feel 4700 00:38:34.440 --> 00:38:34.650 their 4701 00:38:34.650 --> 00:38:35.040 children 4702 00:38:35.040 --> 00:38:35.310 are the 4703 00:38:35.310 --> 00:38:35.730 random 4704 00:38:35.730 --> 00:38:36.180 victims 4705 00:38:36.180 --> 00:38:36.660 of a 4706 00:38:36.660 --> 00:38:37.200 society 4707 00:38:37.200 --> 00:38:37.350 that 4708 00:38:37.350 --> 00:38:37.830 mandates 4709 00:38:37.830 --> 00:38:38.010 all 4710 00:38:38.010 --> 00:38:38.340 children 4711 00:38:38.340 --> 00:38:38.640 must be 4712 00:38:38.640 --> 00:38:39.120 vaccinated 4713 00:38:39.120 --> 00:38:39.570 before they 4714 00:38:39.570 --> 00:38:39.930 can go to 4715 00:38:39.930 --> 00:38:40.530 school. 4716 00:38:40.560 --> 00:38:41.040 Gerrie, 4717 00:38:41.040 --> 00:38:41.460 tell us 4718 00:38:41.460 --> 00:38:41.880 a little bit 4719 00:38:41.880 --> 00:38:42.450 about 4720 00:38:42.450 --> 00:38:42.930 Tracy, 4721 00:38:42.960 --> 00:38:43.230 she 4722 00:38:43.230 --> 00:38:43.680 reacted 4723 00:38:43.680 --> 00:38:43.890 to the 4724 00:38:43.890 --> 00:38:44.310 DPT 4725 00:38:44.310 --> 00:38:44.730 vaccine. 4726 00:38:44.730 --> 00:38:45.060 How is she 4727 00:38:45.060 --> 00:38:45.360 doing 4728 00:38:45.360 --> 00:38:45.900 now? 4729 00:38:46.440 --> 00:38:47.940 Health-wise 4730 00:38:47.940 --> 00:38:48.180 she's 4731 00:38:48.180 --> 00:38:48.480 doing 4732 00:38:48.480 --> 00:38:48.860 fine, 4733 00:38:48.860 --> 00:38:49.020 but 4734 00:38:49.020 --> 00:38:49.440 Tracy 4735 00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:49.770 needs 4736 00:38:49.770 --> 00:38:50.280 constant 4737 00:38:50.280 --> 00:38:50.880 care. 4738 00:38:50.910 --> 00:38:52.110 Tracy 4739 00:38:52.110 --> 00:38:52.470 can never 4740 00:38:52.500 --> 00:38:52.860 be left 4741 00:38:52.860 --> 00:38:53.700 alone. 4742 00:38:53.700 --> 00:38:54.510 And, 4743 00:38:54.510 --> 00:38:54.750 um. 4744 00:38:54.960 --> 00:38:55.380 But I 4745 00:38:55.380 --> 00:38:55.620 guess 4746 00:38:55.620 --> 00:38:56.140 we're 4747 00:38:56.140 --> 00:38:56.580 rather 4748 00:38:56.580 --> 00:38:56.910 lucky 4749 00:38:56.910 --> 00:38:57.300 because 4750 00:38:57.300 --> 00:38:57.780 we still have 4751 00:38:57.780 --> 00:38:58.140 Tracy 4752 00:38:58.140 --> 00:38:58.620 with us. 4753 00:38:58.740 --> 00:38:59.100 My 4754 00:38:59.100 --> 00:38:59.490 greatest 4755 00:38:59.490 --> 00:39:00.060 concern 4756 00:39:00.060 --> 00:39:00.450 is for 4757 00:39:00.450 --> 00:39:00.840 Tracy 4758 00:39:00.840 --> 00:39:01.290 and children 4759 00:39:01.290 --> 00:39:01.500 like 4760 00:39:01.500 --> 00:39:02.190 Tracy, 4761 00:39:02.190 --> 00:39:02.640 once 4762 00:39:02.640 --> 00:39:03.120 they reach the 4763 00:39:03.120 --> 00:39:03.450 age of 4764 00:39:03.450 --> 00:39:03.990 21 4765 00:39:03.990 --> 00:39:04.410 I know the 4766 00:39:04.410 --> 00:39:04.710 waiting 4767 00:39:04.710 --> 00:39:05.070 list in 4768 00:39:05.070 --> 00:39:05.220 this 4769 00:39:05.220 --> 00:39:05.760 area 4770 00:39:05.760 --> 00:39:06.060 are 4771 00:39:06.060 --> 00:39:06.510 over eight 4772 00:39:06.510 --> 00:39:06.780 years 4773 00:39:06.780 --> 00:39:07.230 long for 4774 00:39:07.230 --> 00:39:08.100 program, 4775 00:39:08.100 --> 00:39:08.610 and 4776 00:39:08.610 --> 00:39:09.000 I will 4777 00:39:09.000 --> 00:39:09.480 have to quit 4778 00:39:09.480 --> 00:39:09.810 work and 4779 00:39:09.810 --> 00:39:10.230 stay home 4780 00:39:10.230 --> 00:39:10.500 with her, 4781 00:39:10.500 --> 00:39:10.950 because I 4782 00:39:10.950 --> 00:39:11.280 certainly 4783 00:39:11.280 --> 00:39:11.520 can't 4784 00:39:11.520 --> 00:39:12.090 afford 4785 00:39:12.090 --> 00:39:12.390 the 4786 00:39:12.390 --> 00:39:12.810 cost 4787 00:39:12.810 --> 00:39:12.960 of 4788 00:39:12.960 --> 00:39:13.350 hiring 4789 00:39:13.350 --> 00:39:13.830 someone to 4790 00:39:13.830 --> 00:39:14.310 come in and 4791 00:39:14.310 --> 00:39:14.730 stay with 4792 00:39:14.730 --> 00:39:15.120 her. 4793 00:39:15.150 --> 00:39:15.600 So 4794 00:39:15.600 --> 00:39:15.840 this 4795 00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:16.140 bill 4796 00:39:16.140 --> 00:39:16.620 would really 4797 00:39:16.620 --> 00:39:17.010 help a 4798 00:39:17.010 --> 00:39:17.370 family 4799 00:39:17.370 --> 00:39:17.820 like yours? 4800 00:39:17.850 --> 00:39:18.420 Absolutely, 4801 00:39:18.420 --> 00:39:19.350 absolutely. 4802 00:39:19.350 --> 00:39:19.710 We have 4803 00:39:19.710 --> 00:39:20.100 been given n 4804 00:39:20.100 --> 00:39:20.280 o 4805 00:39:20.280 --> 00:39:21.240 indication 4806 00:39:21.240 --> 00:39:21.690 that he 4807 00:39:21.690 --> 00:39:22.170 is going to 4808 00:39:22.170 --> 00:39:22.620 sign it. 4809 00:39:22.620 --> 00:39:23.040 I think 4810 00:39:23.040 --> 00:39:23.520 we have about 4811 00:39:23.520 --> 00:39:23.580 a 4812 00:39:23.580 --> 00:39:24.210 50/50 4813 00:39:24.210 --> 00:39:24.550 chance, 4814 00:39:24.550 --> 00:39:25.020 that's why 4815 00:39:25.020 --> 00:39:25.170 we're 4816 00:39:25.170 --> 00:39:25.890 here. 4817 00:39:25.980 --> 00:39:26.220 You 4818 00:39:26.220 --> 00:39:26.550 know, 4819 00:39:26.550 --> 00:39:27.060 Dissatisfied 4820 00:39:27.060 --> 00:39:27.450 Parents 4821 00:39:27.450 --> 00:39:27.810 together 4822 00:39:27.810 --> 00:39:28.200 has worked 4823 00:39:28.200 --> 00:39:28.410 very 4824 00:39:28.410 --> 00:39:28.860 hard for 4825 00:39:28.860 --> 00:39:29.100 four 4826 00:39:29.100 --> 00:39:29.580 years 4827 00:39:29.580 --> 00:39:29.970 to see this 4828 00:39:29.970 --> 00:39:31.470 legislation 4829 00:39:31.470 --> 00:39:32.280 passed, 4830 00:39:32.280 --> 00:39:32.640 ever 4831 00:39:32.640 --> 00:39:33.000 since your 4832 00:39:33.000 --> 00:39:33.360 report in 4833 00:39:33.360 --> 00:39:34.140 1982 4834 00:39:34.170 --> 00:39:34.620 that alerted 4835 00:39:34.620 --> 00:39:35.040 parents 4836 00:39:35.040 --> 00:39:35.460 to this 4837 00:39:35.460 --> 00:39:36.150 problem. 4838 00:39:36.150 --> 00:39:36.750 And 4839 00:39:36.750 --> 00:39:37.020 I 4840 00:39:37.020 --> 00:39:37.470 really 4841 00:39:37.470 --> 00:39:37.770 can't 4842 00:39:37.770 --> 00:39:38.160 believe 4843 00:39:38.160 --> 00:39:38.280 that 4844 00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:38.670 President 4845 00:39:38.670 --> 00:39:38.970 Reagan 4846 00:39:38.970 --> 00:39:39.300 doesn't 4847 00:39:39.300 --> 00:39:39.540 care 4848 00:39:39.540 --> 00:39:40.020 about these 4849 00:39:40.020 --> 00:39:40.800 children. 4850 00:39:41.190 --> 00:39:42.270 I 4851 00:39:42.270 --> 00:39:42.600 have to 4852 00:39:42.600 --> 00:39:43.020 believe that 4853 00:39:43.020 --> 00:39:43.470 he will, in 4854 00:39:43.470 --> 00:39:43.740 the end, 4855 00:39:43.740 --> 00:39:44.190 sign it. 4856 00:39:44.190 --> 00:39:44.790 So 4857 00:39:44.790 --> 00:39:45.060 what 4858 00:39:45.060 --> 00:39:45.450 happened, 4859 00:39:45.450 --> 00:39:45.930 though, here we 4860 00:39:45.930 --> 00:39:46.200 are in 4861 00:39:46.200 --> 00:39:46.680 '83, 4862 00:39:46.680 --> 00:39:47.250 '84, 4863 00:39:47.250 --> 00:39:47.640 and we've 4864 00:39:47.640 --> 00:39:48.060 got 4865 00:39:48.060 --> 00:39:48.570 S. 4866 00:39:48.570 --> 00:39:49.200 2117, 4867 00:39:49.200 --> 00:39:49.620 which was 4868 00:39:49.620 --> 00:39:49.800 a, 4869 00:39:49.800 --> 00:39:50.160 which 4870 00:39:50.160 --> 00:39:50.460 was the 4871 00:39:50.460 --> 00:39:51.000 original 4872 00:39:51.000 --> 00:39:51.690 bill. 4873 00:39:52.050 --> 00:39:52.260 That 4874 00:39:52.260 --> 00:39:52.590 was, 4875 00:39:52.590 --> 00:39:52.980 it was 4876 00:39:52.980 --> 00:39:53.250 written 4877 00:39:53.250 --> 00:39:53.520 by 4878 00:39:53.520 --> 00:39:54.150 Jeff 4879 00:39:54.150 --> 00:39:54.600 and 4880 00:39:54.600 --> 00:39:54.810 by the 4881 00:39:54.810 --> 00:39:55.110 American 4882 00:39:55.110 --> 00:39:55.470 Academy of 4883 00:39:55.470 --> 00:39:56.190 Pediatrics. 4884 00:39:56.190 --> 00:39:56.680 They were, 4885 00:39:56.680 --> 00:39:56.840 are 4886 00:39:56.840 --> 00:39:57.200 actually, 4887 00:39:57.330 --> 00:39:57.660 we were 4888 00:39:57.660 --> 00:39:58.080 together 4889 00:39:58.080 --> 00:39:58.350 with 4890 00:39:58.350 --> 00:39:58.740 AAP 4891 00:39:58.740 --> 00:39:58.950 in the 4892 00:39:58.950 --> 00:39:59.730 beginning. 4893 00:39:59.730 --> 00:40:00.720 Interesting. 4894 00:40:01.500 --> 00:40:01.860 Wrote 4895 00:40:01.860 --> 00:40:02.070 that 4896 00:40:02.070 --> 00:40:02.820 bill. 4897 00:40:03.030 --> 00:40:03.510 It took 4898 00:40:03.510 --> 00:40:03.690 two 4899 00:40:03.690 --> 00:40:04.380 years. 4900 00:40:05.170 --> 00:40:05.920 And 4901 00:40:05.920 --> 00:40:06.400 it had all 4902 00:40:06.400 --> 00:40:06.880 the things we 4903 00:40:06.880 --> 00:40:07.420 wanted. 4904 00:40:08.180 --> 00:40:08.600 It didn't 4905 00:40:08.600 --> 00:40:08.780 have 4906 00:40:08.780 --> 00:40:09.230 liability 4907 00:40:09.230 --> 00:40:09.650 protection 4908 00:40:09.650 --> 00:40:09.860 for the 4909 00:40:09.860 --> 00:40:10.340 companies or 4910 00:40:10.340 --> 00:40:10.460 the 4911 00:40:10.460 --> 00:40:11.150 doctors, 4912 00:40:11.150 --> 00:40:11.600 it 4913 00:40:11.600 --> 00:40:12.300 had, 4914 00:40:12.300 --> 00:40:12.650 the 4915 00:40:12.650 --> 00:40:12.920 safety 4916 00:40:12.920 --> 00:40:13.340 provisions 4917 00:40:13.340 --> 00:40:13.580 were in 4918 00:40:13.580 --> 00:40:14.150 there. 4919 00:40:14.150 --> 00:40:14.540 And 4920 00:40:14.540 --> 00:40:14.990 what were the 4921 00:40:14.990 --> 00:40:15.290 safety 4922 00:40:15.290 --> 00:40:15.800 provisions, 4923 00:40:15.800 --> 00:40:16.130 like what 4924 00:40:16.130 --> 00:40:16.580 was it, what 4925 00:40:16.580 --> 00:40:16.970 was it you 4926 00:40:16.970 --> 00:40:17.360 were? 4927 00:40:17.360 --> 00:40:17.660 Because 4928 00:40:17.660 --> 00:40:17.930 that's 4929 00:40:17.930 --> 00:40:18.290 really 4930 00:40:18.290 --> 00:40:18.620 what you 4931 00:40:18.620 --> 00:40:19.070 set out 4932 00:40:19.070 --> 00:40:19.310 for, 4933 00:40:19.310 --> 00:40:19.580 right? 4934 00:40:19.580 --> 00:40:19.970 How is 4935 00:40:19.970 --> 00:40:20.390 this 4936 00:40:20.390 --> 00:40:20.990 thing 4937 00:40:20.990 --> 00:40:21.290 getting 4938 00:40:21.290 --> 00:40:21.650 into my 4939 00:40:21.650 --> 00:40:21.980 kid 4940 00:40:21.980 --> 00:40:22.520 and 4941 00:40:22.760 --> 00:40:22.910 what 4942 00:40:22.910 --> 00:40:23.330 safety's 4943 00:40:23.330 --> 00:40:23.810 been done. 4944 00:40:23.810 --> 00:40:24.830 So 4945 00:40:24.830 --> 00:40:25.250 we 4946 00:40:25.250 --> 00:40:25.670 wanted 4947 00:40:25.670 --> 00:40:25.910 a 4948 00:40:25.910 --> 00:40:26.210 parent 4949 00:40:26.210 --> 00:40:27.050 information 4950 00:40:27.050 --> 00:40:28.280 booklet 4951 00:40:28.280 --> 00:40:28.820 that 4952 00:40:28.820 --> 00:40:29.300 described 4953 00:40:29.300 --> 00:40:29.420 the 4954 00:40:29.420 --> 00:40:29.870 disease 4955 00:40:29.870 --> 00:40:30.050 and the 4956 00:40:30.050 --> 00:40:30.860 complications 4957 00:40:30.860 --> 00:40:31.160 and the 4958 00:40:31.160 --> 00:40:31.610 vaccine and 4959 00:40:31.610 --> 00:40:31.700 the 4960 00:40:31.700 --> 00:40:32.570 complications 4961 00:40:32.570 --> 00:40:32.930 for 4962 00:40:32.930 --> 00:40:33.290 each of the 4963 00:40:33.290 --> 00:40:33.830 vaccines. 4964 00:40:33.860 --> 00:40:34.070 So true 4965 00:40:34.070 --> 00:40:34.430 informed 4966 00:40:34.430 --> 00:40:35.060 consent. 4967 00:40:35.060 --> 00:40:35.510 True 4968 00:40:35.510 --> 00:40:35.870 informed 4969 00:40:35.870 --> 00:40:36.320 consent, 4970 00:40:36.320 --> 00:40:36.680 so that it 4971 00:40:36.680 --> 00:40:36.950 would be 4972 00:40:36.950 --> 00:40:37.250 given, 4973 00:40:37.250 --> 00:40:37.550 be 4974 00:40:37.550 --> 00:40:38.510 mandated 4975 00:40:38.510 --> 00:40:38.960 to be 4976 00:40:38.960 --> 00:40:39.320 given 4977 00:40:39.320 --> 00:40:39.800 before 4978 00:40:39.800 --> 00:40:39.920 the 4979 00:40:39.920 --> 00:40:40.370 doctor 4980 00:40:40.370 --> 00:40:40.820 injected 4981 00:40:40.820 --> 00:40:40.940 the 4982 00:40:40.940 --> 00:40:41.630 child. 4983 00:40:42.750 --> 00:40:43.170 I 4984 00:40:43.170 --> 00:40:43.470 actually 4985 00:40:43.470 --> 00:40:44.220 participated 4986 00:40:44.220 --> 00:40:44.580 after the 4987 00:40:44.580 --> 00:40:44.940 law was 4988 00:40:44.940 --> 00:40:45.510 passed, 4989 00:40:45.510 --> 00:40:45.900 it 4990 00:40:45.900 --> 00:40:46.380 had those 4991 00:40:46.380 --> 00:40:46.680 safety 4992 00:40:46.680 --> 00:40:47.160 provisions 4993 00:40:47.160 --> 00:40:47.640 in there. 4994 00:40:47.640 --> 00:40:47.970 I 4995 00:40:47.970 --> 00:40:48.270 actually 4996 00:40:48.270 --> 00:40:48.810 participated 4997 00:40:48.810 --> 00:40:49.020 in the 4998 00:40:49.020 --> 00:40:49.440 writing of 4999 00:40:49.440 --> 00:40:49.560 the 5000 00:40:49.560 --> 00:40:50.280 original 5001 00:40:50.280 --> 00:40:50.640 parent 5002 00:40:50.640 --> 00:40:51.120 information 5003 00:40:51.120 --> 00:40:51.840 booklet 5004 00:40:52.080 --> 00:40:52.470 . Went down 5005 00:40:52.470 --> 00:40:52.590 to 5006 00:40:52.830 --> 00:40:53.640 Atlanta, 5007 00:40:53.640 --> 00:40:54.060 Jeff 5008 00:40:54.060 --> 00:40:54.450 and I went 5009 00:40:54.450 --> 00:40:54.960 down. 5010 00:40:54.960 --> 00:40:55.290 There were 5011 00:40:55.290 --> 00:40:55.920 attorneys, 5012 00:40:55.920 --> 00:40:56.190 there 5013 00:40:56.190 --> 00:40:56.700 were 5014 00:40:56.730 --> 00:40:57.450 doctors, 5015 00:40:57.450 --> 00:40:57.900 there was 5016 00:40:57.900 --> 00:40:58.140 the 5017 00:40:58.140 --> 00:40:59.010 CDC. 5018 00:40:59.010 --> 00:40:59.520 And 5019 00:40:59.520 --> 00:40:59.700 we 5020 00:40:59.730 --> 00:41:00.090 hammered 5021 00:41:00.090 --> 00:41:00.630 out 5022 00:41:00.630 --> 00:41:01.050 a parent 5023 00:41:01.050 --> 00:41:01.620 information 5024 00:41:01.620 --> 00:41:02.010 booklet 5025 00:41:02.010 --> 00:41:02.130 on 5026 00:41:02.130 --> 00:41:03.690 DDT, 5027 00:41:03.690 --> 00:41:04.730 that 5028 00:41:04.730 --> 00:41:05.150 after 5029 00:41:05.150 --> 00:41:05.540 the bill was 5030 00:41:05.540 --> 00:41:06.810 passed 5031 00:41:06.810 --> 00:41:07.290 was 5032 00:41:07.290 --> 00:41:07.770 boiled down 5033 00:41:07.770 --> 00:41:08.070 to one 5034 00:41:08.070 --> 00:41:08.850 page. 5035 00:41:09.410 --> 00:41:09.770 Through 5036 00:41:09.770 --> 00:41:10.250 rule making 5037 00:41:10.250 --> 00:41:10.760 authority. 5038 00:41:10.760 --> 00:41:11.240 So when you got 5039 00:41:11.240 --> 00:41:11.510 done, it 5040 00:41:11.510 --> 00:41:11.960 wasn't one 5041 00:41:11.960 --> 00:41:12.740 page. 5042 00:41:13.130 --> 00:41:13.700 No, 5043 00:41:13.700 --> 00:41:13.910 it was 5044 00:41:13.910 --> 00:41:14.210 15 5045 00:41:14.210 --> 00:41:15.080 pages. 5046 00:41:15.290 --> 00:41:15.620 Okay. 5047 00:41:16.580 --> 00:41:16.970 Wow. 5048 00:41:17.270 --> 00:41:17.660 It 5049 00:41:17.660 --> 00:41:17.990 was a 5050 00:41:17.990 --> 00:41:18.410 complete 5051 00:41:18.410 --> 00:41:18.770 informed 5052 00:41:18.770 --> 00:41:19.340 consent, 5053 00:41:19.340 --> 00:41:19.910 t 5054 00:41:20.750 --> 00:41:21.170 he way it 5055 00:41:21.170 --> 00:41:21.590 was supposed 5056 00:41:21.590 --> 00:41:21.920 to be. 5057 00:41:21.950 --> 00:41:22.310 How did 5058 00:41:22.310 --> 00:41:23.060 they. 5059 00:41:23.810 --> 00:41:24.200 How did they 5060 00:41:24.200 --> 00:41:24.860 justify. 5061 00:41:24.860 --> 00:41:25.160 Okay 5062 00:41:25.370 --> 00:41:25.490 . 5063 00:41:25.490 --> 00:41:25.910 I'll get to it. 5064 00:41:25.910 --> 00:41:26.270 Okay, 5065 00:41:26.270 --> 00:41:26.570 so we're 5066 00:41:26.570 --> 00:41:26.960 back in 5067 00:41:26.960 --> 00:41:27.440 '82, 5068 00:41:27.440 --> 00:41:27.830 '83, 5069 00:41:27.830 --> 00:41:28.400 '84. 5070 00:41:29.360 --> 00:41:29.870 So 5071 00:41:29.870 --> 00:41:30.170 what are the 5072 00:41:30.170 --> 00:41:30.560 companies 5073 00:41:30.560 --> 00:41:30.800 start 5074 00:41:30.800 --> 00:41:31.400 doing? 5075 00:41:32.640 --> 00:41:33.220 Wyeth 5076 00:41:33.220 --> 00:41:33.630 says, 5077 00:41:33.630 --> 00:41:33.780 we're 5078 00:41:33.780 --> 00:41:34.170 dropping 5079 00:41:34.170 --> 00:41:34.680 out. 5080 00:41:34.680 --> 00:41:35.040 We're not 5081 00:41:35.040 --> 00:41:35.430 going to make 5082 00:41:35.430 --> 00:41:35.820 any more 5083 00:41:35.820 --> 00:41:36.300 pertussis 5084 00:41:36.300 --> 00:41:37.020 vaccine. 5085 00:41:37.700 --> 00:41:38.390 Causes 5086 00:41:38.390 --> 00:41:38.450 a 5087 00:41:38.450 --> 00:41:38.930 vaccine 5088 00:41:38.930 --> 00:41:39.650 shortage. 5089 00:41:39.650 --> 00:41:39.980 They 5090 00:41:39.980 --> 00:41:40.280 go to 5091 00:41:40.280 --> 00:41:40.820 Congress. 5092 00:41:40.820 --> 00:41:41.240 You need to 5093 00:41:41.240 --> 00:41:41.690 protect us 5094 00:41:41.690 --> 00:41:41.840 from 5095 00:41:41.840 --> 00:41:42.920 liability. 5096 00:41:43.520 --> 00:41:44.000 So 5097 00:41:44.000 --> 00:41:44.360 they put 5098 00:41:44.360 --> 00:41:44.840 pressure 5099 00:41:44.840 --> 00:41:45.080 by, 5100 00:41:45.080 --> 00:41:45.590 basically, 5101 00:41:45.590 --> 00:41:45.800 it's a 5102 00:41:45.800 --> 00:41:46.430 blackmail. 5103 00:41:46.430 --> 00:41:46.820 We're just 5104 00:41:46.820 --> 00:41:47.270 going to stop 5105 00:41:47.270 --> 00:41:47.690 making 5106 00:41:47.690 --> 00:41:48.080 them 5107 00:41:48.080 --> 00:41:48.220 . 5108 00:41:48.220 --> 00:41:48.770 Shortage 5109 00:41:48.770 --> 00:41:49.250 of it. Now, 5110 00:41:49.250 --> 00:41:49.670 what do you want 5111 00:41:49.670 --> 00:41:50.090 to do? 5112 00:41:50.120 --> 00:41:50.540 We have a 5113 00:41:50.540 --> 00:41:51.080 shortage 5114 00:41:51.080 --> 00:41:51.380 of this 5115 00:41:51.380 --> 00:41:52.040 vaccine, 5116 00:41:52.040 --> 00:41:52.820 apparently 5117 00:41:52.820 --> 00:41:53.270 because 5118 00:41:53.270 --> 00:41:53.570 at one 5119 00:41:53.570 --> 00:41:54.050 time there were 5120 00:41:54.050 --> 00:41:54.680 three 5121 00:41:54.680 --> 00:41:55.070 drug 5122 00:41:55.070 --> 00:41:55.520 companies 5123 00:41:55.520 --> 00:41:56.390 manufacturing 5124 00:41:56.390 --> 00:41:56.630 it. 5125 00:41:56.630 --> 00:41:57.050 Two 5126 00:41:57.050 --> 00:41:57.500 of them said 5127 00:41:57.500 --> 00:41:57.860 that they 5128 00:41:57.860 --> 00:41:58.280 would no 5129 00:41:58.280 --> 00:41:58.730 longer 5130 00:41:58.730 --> 00:41:59.150 do so 5131 00:41:59.150 --> 00:41:59.600 because 5132 00:41:59.600 --> 00:41:59.750 of 5133 00:41:59.750 --> 00:42:00.260 the 5134 00:42:00.260 --> 00:42:00.680 high 5135 00:42:00.680 --> 00:42:01.190 cost 5136 00:42:01.190 --> 00:42:01.370 of 5137 00:42:01.370 --> 00:42:02.150 fighting 5138 00:42:02.720 --> 00:42:03.170 suits 5139 00:42:03.170 --> 00:42:03.440 brought 5140 00:42:03.440 --> 00:42:03.920 by 5141 00:42:03.920 --> 00:42:04.670 parents 5142 00:42:05.030 --> 00:42:05.390 and 5143 00:42:05.390 --> 00:42:05.690 the high 5144 00:42:05.690 --> 00:42:06.050 cost of 5145 00:42:06.050 --> 00:42:06.890 insurance 5146 00:42:06.890 --> 00:42:07.190 to 5147 00:42:07.190 --> 00:42:07.430 guard 5148 00:42:07.430 --> 00:42:08.330 against, 5149 00:42:08.330 --> 00:42:08.780 suit 5150 00:42:08.780 --> 00:42:09.220 being 5151 00:42:09.220 --> 00:42:09.670 brought by 5152 00:42:09.670 --> 00:42:10.150 parents whose 5153 00:42:10.150 --> 00:42:10.510 children 5154 00:42:10.510 --> 00:42:10.660 had 5155 00:42:10.660 --> 00:42:11.380 died 5156 00:42:11.380 --> 00:42:11.860 or 5157 00:42:11.860 --> 00:42:12.070 been 5158 00:42:12.070 --> 00:42:12.490 injured 5159 00:42:12.490 --> 00:42:12.880 from the 5160 00:42:12.880 --> 00:42:13.660 vaccine. 5161 00:42:13.660 --> 00:42:14.020 Is that not 5162 00:42:14.020 --> 00:42:14.440 correct? 5163 00:42:14.470 --> 00:42:14.740 Well, 5164 00:42:14.740 --> 00:42:15.430 actually, 5165 00:42:15.430 --> 00:42:15.790 in 5166 00:42:15.790 --> 00:42:16.510 testimony 5167 00:42:16.510 --> 00:42:16.690 in 5168 00:42:16.690 --> 00:42:17.470 December, 5169 00:42:17.470 --> 00:42:17.920 it was 5170 00:42:17.920 --> 00:42:18.130 brought 5171 00:42:18.130 --> 00:42:18.460 out 5172 00:42:18.460 --> 00:42:18.640 in 5173 00:42:18.640 --> 00:42:19.090 hearings 5174 00:42:19.090 --> 00:42:19.390 on 5175 00:42:19.390 --> 00:42:19.780 Capitol 5176 00:42:19.780 --> 00:42:20.020 Hill 5177 00:42:20.020 --> 00:42:20.740 that 5178 00:42:20.740 --> 00:42:21.280 all 5179 00:42:21.280 --> 00:42:21.550 three 5180 00:42:21.550 --> 00:42:22.450 manufacturers 5181 00:42:22.450 --> 00:42:22.690 are 5182 00:42:22.690 --> 00:42:23.500 manufacturing 5183 00:42:23.500 --> 00:42:23.680 this 5184 00:42:23.680 --> 00:42:24.490 vaccine. 5185 00:42:24.970 --> 00:42:25.480 Connaught 5186 00:42:25.510 --> 00:42:25.690 is 5187 00:42:25.690 --> 00:42:26.410 stockpiling 5188 00:42:26.410 --> 00:42:27.090 it, 5189 00:42:27.090 --> 00:42:27.760 okay. 5190 00:42:27.760 --> 00:42:28.420 Wyeth 5191 00:42:28.420 --> 00:42:28.900 is selling 5192 00:42:28.900 --> 00:42:29.170 it to 5193 00:42:29.170 --> 00:42:29.650 Lederle, 5194 00:42:29.650 --> 00:42:29.800 and 5195 00:42:29.800 --> 00:42:30.220 Lederle 5196 00:42:30.220 --> 00:42:30.370 is 5197 00:42:30.370 --> 00:42:30.910 distributing 5198 00:42:30.910 --> 00:42:31.330 it for 5199 00:42:31.330 --> 00:42:31.690 Wyeth. 5200 00:42:32.200 --> 00:42:32.680 Connaught made 5201 00:42:32.680 --> 00:42:33.070 it very 5202 00:42:33.070 --> 00:42:33.670 clear 5203 00:42:33.670 --> 00:42:34.120 that they will 5204 00:42:34.120 --> 00:42:34.330 not 5205 00:42:34.330 --> 00:42:34.780 distribute 5206 00:42:34.780 --> 00:42:35.080 what they 5207 00:42:35.080 --> 00:42:35.620 have 5208 00:42:35.620 --> 00:42:36.070 until 5209 00:42:36.070 --> 00:42:36.190 the 5210 00:42:36.190 --> 00:42:36.940 Congress 5211 00:42:36.940 --> 00:42:37.570 passes 5212 00:42:37.570 --> 00:42:38.530 legislation 5213 00:42:38.530 --> 00:42:39.130 absolving 5214 00:42:39.130 --> 00:42:39.520 them of 5215 00:42:39.520 --> 00:42:39.760 all 5216 00:42:39.760 --> 00:42:40.240 financial 5217 00:42:40.240 --> 00:42:40.810 liability 5218 00:42:40.810 --> 00:42:40.960 for 5219 00:42:40.960 --> 00:42:41.380 vaccine 5220 00:42:41.380 --> 00:42:42.070 damage. 5221 00:42:42.070 --> 00:42:42.430 Then they, 5222 00:42:42.430 --> 00:42:43.150 then 5223 00:42:43.150 --> 00:42:43.450 whooping 5224 00:42:43.450 --> 00:42:43.690 cough 5225 00:42:43.690 --> 00:42:44.330 epidemics, 5226 00:42:44.330 --> 00:42:44.740 we've got 5227 00:42:44.770 --> 00:42:45.100 whooping 5228 00:42:45.100 --> 00:42:45.340 cough 5229 00:42:45.340 --> 00:42:46.490 outbreaks, 5230 00:42:46.490 --> 00:42:46.780 you 5231 00:42:46.780 --> 00:42:47.320 know 5232 00:42:47.410 --> 00:42:47.610 . 5233 00:42:47.610 --> 00:42:48.010 It's 5234 00:42:48.010 --> 00:42:48.280 all 5235 00:42:48.280 --> 00:42:48.700 because of 5236 00:42:48.700 --> 00:42:48.910 these 5237 00:42:48.910 --> 00:42:49.270 parents 5238 00:42:49.270 --> 00:42:49.720 complaining 5239 00:42:49.720 --> 00:42:50.200 about this 5240 00:42:50.200 --> 00:42:51.010 vaccine. 5241 00:42:52.080 --> 00:42:52.560 And going 5242 00:42:52.560 --> 00:42:52.680 to 5243 00:42:52.680 --> 00:42:53.160 Congress 5244 00:42:53.160 --> 00:42:53.310 and 5245 00:42:53.310 --> 00:42:53.700 Congress 5246 00:42:53.700 --> 00:42:54.000 messing 5247 00:42:54.000 --> 00:42:54.450 around in 5248 00:42:54.450 --> 00:42:55.110 this. 5249 00:42:56.300 --> 00:42:56.690 They 5250 00:42:56.690 --> 00:42:57.020 start to 5251 00:42:57.020 --> 00:42:57.380 raise their 5252 00:42:57.380 --> 00:42:58.340 prices. 5253 00:42:58.340 --> 00:42:58.640 At 5254 00:42:58.640 --> 00:42:59.090 one point 5255 00:42:59.090 --> 00:42:59.570 it was like a 5256 00:42:59.570 --> 00:43:00.860 10,000% 5257 00:43:00.860 --> 00:43:01.250 price 5258 00:43:01.250 --> 00:43:02.120 increase 5259 00:43:02.570 --> 00:43:02.840 on 5260 00:43:02.840 --> 00:43:03.380 pertussis 5261 00:43:03.380 --> 00:43:04.160 vaccine. 5262 00:43:04.160 --> 00:43:04.640 They 5263 00:43:04.640 --> 00:43:04.850 did 5264 00:43:04.850 --> 00:43:05.390 everything 5265 00:43:05.390 --> 00:43:05.720 to put 5266 00:43:05.720 --> 00:43:07.420 pressure, 5267 00:43:07.420 --> 00:43:07.890 and 5268 00:43:07.890 --> 00:43:08.340 the media 5269 00:43:08.340 --> 00:43:08.730 carried 5270 00:43:08.730 --> 00:43:08.880 the 5271 00:43:08.880 --> 00:43:09.630 stories 5272 00:43:09.630 --> 00:43:10.230 and 5273 00:43:10.230 --> 00:43:10.830 everybody 5274 00:43:10.830 --> 00:43:11.250 blamed 5275 00:43:11.250 --> 00:43:12.090 us. 5276 00:43:12.270 --> 00:43:12.630 In 5277 00:43:12.630 --> 00:43:13.260 England 5278 00:43:13.290 --> 00:43:13.770 some years 5279 00:43:13.770 --> 00:43:14.430 back, 5280 00:43:14.430 --> 00:43:15.060 parents 5281 00:43:15.360 --> 00:43:15.960 became 5282 00:43:15.960 --> 00:43:16.710 alarmed 5283 00:43:17.010 --> 00:43:17.640 about 5284 00:43:17.640 --> 00:43:18.000 because 5285 00:43:18.000 --> 00:43:18.300 there were 5286 00:43:18.300 --> 00:43:18.660 several 5287 00:43:18.660 --> 00:43:19.170 incidents 5288 00:43:19.170 --> 00:43:19.650 of death 5289 00:43:19.650 --> 00:43:20.160 and 5290 00:43:20.430 --> 00:43:20.790 brain 5291 00:43:20.790 --> 00:43:21.510 damage, 5292 00:43:21.510 --> 00:43:21.840 and 5293 00:43:21.840 --> 00:43:22.170 large 5294 00:43:22.170 --> 00:43:22.650 numbers 5295 00:43:22.650 --> 00:43:23.100 refused 5296 00:43:23.100 --> 00:43:23.520 to have their 5297 00:43:23.520 --> 00:43:24.300 children 5298 00:43:24.870 --> 00:43:25.710 inoculated 5299 00:43:25.710 --> 00:43:26.220 with 5300 00:43:26.220 --> 00:43:26.460 the 5301 00:43:26.460 --> 00:43:26.970 vaccine, 5302 00:43:26.970 --> 00:43:27.330 and as a 5303 00:43:27.330 --> 00:43:28.290 consequence, 5304 00:43:28.410 --> 00:43:28.770 they 5305 00:43:28.770 --> 00:43:29.310 had 5306 00:43:29.310 --> 00:43:29.940 enormous 5307 00:43:29.940 --> 00:43:30.810 outbreaks 5308 00:43:30.810 --> 00:43:31.050 of 5309 00:43:31.050 --> 00:43:31.350 whooping 5310 00:43:31.350 --> 00:43:31.650 cough 5311 00:43:31.650 --> 00:43:32.100 and 5312 00:43:32.100 --> 00:43:32.610 many 5313 00:43:32.610 --> 00:43:32.850 more 5314 00:43:32.850 --> 00:43:33.630 children 5315 00:43:33.630 --> 00:43:34.680 died. 5316 00:43:34.890 --> 00:43:35.370 While 5317 00:43:35.370 --> 00:43:35.850 I would like to 5318 00:43:35.850 --> 00:43:36.150 believe 5319 00:43:36.150 --> 00:43:36.630 that 5320 00:43:36.630 --> 00:43:37.050 no 5321 00:43:37.050 --> 00:43:37.530 pertussis 5322 00:43:37.530 --> 00:43:37.770 will, 5323 00:43:37.770 --> 00:43:38.520 will, 5324 00:43:38.520 --> 00:43:39.060 outbreaks 5325 00:43:39.060 --> 00:43:39.300 will 5326 00:43:39.300 --> 00:43:39.690 result 5327 00:43:39.690 --> 00:43:39.930 from 5328 00:43:39.930 --> 00:43:40.410 this 5329 00:43:40.770 --> 00:43:41.250 hopefully 5330 00:43:41.250 --> 00:43:42.030 temporary 5331 00:43:42.030 --> 00:43:42.750 shortage, 5332 00:43:42.750 --> 00:43:43.230 I'm not so 5333 00:43:43.230 --> 00:43:43.650 sure that 5334 00:43:43.650 --> 00:43:43.980 that's 5335 00:43:43.980 --> 00:43:44.640 necessarily 5336 00:43:44.640 --> 00:43:45.090 going to be the 5337 00:43:45.090 --> 00:43:45.660 case. 5338 00:43:45.690 --> 00:43:46.050 What 5339 00:43:46.050 --> 00:43:46.440 happened 5340 00:43:46.440 --> 00:43:46.830 actually 5341 00:43:46.830 --> 00:43:47.310 was that 5342 00:43:47.310 --> 00:43:47.850 we 5343 00:43:47.850 --> 00:43:48.300 broke with 5344 00:43:48.300 --> 00:43:48.420 the 5345 00:43:48.420 --> 00:43:48.900 AAP 5346 00:43:48.900 --> 00:43:49.410 over 5347 00:43:49.410 --> 00:43:49.650 this 5348 00:43:49.650 --> 00:43:50.400 issue 5349 00:43:51.270 --> 00:43:51.510 . 5350 00:43:51.510 --> 00:43:52.110 About 5351 00:43:52.110 --> 00:43:52.440 two, 5352 00:43:52.620 --> 00:43:53.000 2 to 5353 00:43:53.000 --> 00:43:53.400 2 and a 5354 00:43:53.400 --> 00:43:53.850 half years 5355 00:43:53.850 --> 00:43:54.330 in, 5356 00:43:54.360 --> 00:43:54.990 the 5357 00:43:54.990 --> 00:43:56.610 collaboration 5358 00:43:56.610 --> 00:43:56.910 between 5359 00:43:57.510 --> 00:43:58.050 between 5360 00:43:58.050 --> 00:43:58.400 DPT, 5361 00:43:58.400 --> 00:43:59.100 Dissatisfied 5362 00:43:59.100 --> 00:43:59.400 Parents 5363 00:43:59.400 --> 00:44:00.960 Together, 5364 00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:01.230 and 5365 00:44:01.230 --> 00:44:01.590 AAP 5366 00:44:01.590 --> 00:44:01.860 broke 5367 00:44:01.860 --> 00:44:02.550 down, 5368 00:44:02.580 --> 00:44:03.570 because 5369 00:44:03.570 --> 00:44:04.140 they 5370 00:44:04.140 --> 00:44:04.560 put out a 5371 00:44:04.560 --> 00:44:04.800 press 5372 00:44:04.800 --> 00:44:05.130 release 5373 00:44:05.130 --> 00:44:05.610 saying 5374 00:44:05.610 --> 00:44:06.000 that eight 5375 00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:06.450 states had 5376 00:44:06.450 --> 00:44:06.750 whooping 5377 00:44:06.750 --> 00:44:06.990 cough 5378 00:44:06.990 --> 00:44:07.920 epidemics. 5379 00:44:08.220 --> 00:44:08.670 This is in 5380 00:44:08.670 --> 00:44:09.570 '85. 5381 00:44:10.220 --> 00:44:11.240 And 5382 00:44:11.240 --> 00:44:11.720 it was all 5383 00:44:11.720 --> 00:44:12.260 because 5384 00:44:12.260 --> 00:44:12.620 of this 5385 00:44:12.620 --> 00:44:12.920 false 5386 00:44:12.920 --> 00:44:13.550 information 5387 00:44:13.550 --> 00:44:13.970 being put 5388 00:44:13.970 --> 00:44:14.210 out 5389 00:44:14.210 --> 00:44:14.630 about 5390 00:44:14.630 --> 00:44:15.170 pertussis 5391 00:44:15.170 --> 00:44:15.590 vaccine 5392 00:44:15.590 --> 00:44:16.400 risks. 5393 00:44:16.430 --> 00:44:16.910 Wow. So they 5394 00:44:16.910 --> 00:44:17.090 just 5395 00:44:17.090 --> 00:44:17.450 turned, 5396 00:44:17.450 --> 00:44:17.840 they 5397 00:44:18.440 --> 00:44:18.740 just 5398 00:44:18.740 --> 00:44:19.110 turned on 5399 00:44:19.110 --> 00:44:19.250 you. 5400 00:44:19.250 --> 00:44:19.730 And I said, and 5401 00:44:19.730 --> 00:44:21.170 I, 5402 00:44:21.170 --> 00:44:21.650 I put 5403 00:44:21.650 --> 00:44:22.070 out a press 5404 00:44:22.070 --> 00:44:22.580 release 5405 00:44:22.580 --> 00:44:23.030 and I 5406 00:44:23.030 --> 00:44:23.810 said, 5407 00:44:24.170 --> 00:44:24.590 well, first of 5408 00:44:24.590 --> 00:44:24.980 all, I did an 5409 00:44:24.980 --> 00:44:25.970 investigation. 5410 00:44:25.970 --> 00:44:26.300 I 5411 00:44:26.330 --> 00:44:26.780 contacted 5412 00:44:26.780 --> 00:44:27.080 the health 5413 00:44:27.080 --> 00:44:27.590 departments 5414 00:44:27.590 --> 00:44:27.830 of the 5415 00:44:27.830 --> 00:44:28.610 states 5416 00:44:28.610 --> 00:44:29.060 and 5417 00:44:29.060 --> 00:44:29.510 I asked 5418 00:44:29.510 --> 00:44:29.990 them 5419 00:44:29.990 --> 00:44:30.860 for 5420 00:44:30.860 --> 00:44:31.280 their 5421 00:44:31.280 --> 00:44:32.120 cases, 5422 00:44:32.120 --> 00:44:32.630 which 5423 00:44:32.630 --> 00:44:33.080 cases 5424 00:44:33.080 --> 00:44:33.530 were lab 5425 00:44:33.530 --> 00:44:34.190 confirmed, 5426 00:44:34.190 --> 00:44:34.670 which 5427 00:44:34.670 --> 00:44:34.850 were 5428 00:44:34.850 --> 00:44:35.300 fluorescent 5429 00:44:35.300 --> 00:44:35.660 antibody 5430 00:44:35.660 --> 00:44:36.050 confirmed, 5431 00:44:36.050 --> 00:44:36.590 which 5432 00:44:36.590 --> 00:44:37.130 were 5433 00:44:37.220 --> 00:44:38.270 epidemiologically 5434 00:44:38.270 --> 00:44:38.600 linked, 5435 00:44:38.600 --> 00:44:39.020 and I did 5436 00:44:39.020 --> 00:44:39.320 a full 5437 00:44:39.320 --> 00:44:40.040 report. 5438 00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:41.160 And 5439 00:44:41.160 --> 00:44:41.310 I 5440 00:44:41.310 --> 00:44:41.790 realized 5441 00:44:41.790 --> 00:44:42.150 that over 5442 00:44:42.150 --> 00:44:42.510 half of the 5443 00:44:42.510 --> 00:44:42.990 people 5444 00:44:42.990 --> 00:44:43.290 were 5445 00:44:43.290 --> 00:44:44.130 vaccinated, 5446 00:44:44.610 --> 00:44:45.400 that 5447 00:44:45.400 --> 00:44:45.870 we had a 5448 00:44:45.870 --> 00:44:46.320 problem 5449 00:44:46.320 --> 00:44:46.590 with the 5450 00:44:46.590 --> 00:44:47.160 effectiveness 5451 00:44:47.160 --> 00:44:47.460 of this 5452 00:44:47.460 --> 00:44:47.940 vaccine, 5453 00:44:48.180 --> 00:44:48.690 not 5454 00:44:48.690 --> 00:44:49.080 just the 5455 00:44:49.080 --> 00:44:49.560 safety of 5456 00:44:49.560 --> 00:44:49.680 the 5457 00:44:49.680 --> 00:44:50.550 vaccine. 5458 00:44:50.700 --> 00:44:52.350 Well, 5459 00:44:52.350 --> 00:44:52.800 they were 5460 00:44:52.800 --> 00:44:53.490 furious. 5461 00:44:53.490 --> 00:44:53.910 And the 5462 00:44:53.910 --> 00:44:54.330 other thing 5463 00:44:54.330 --> 00:44:54.660 was, 5464 00:44:54.660 --> 00:44:55.050 DPT: A 5465 00:44:55.140 --> 00:44:55.530 Shot in the 5466 00:44:55.530 --> 00:44:55.890 Dark was 5467 00:44:55.890 --> 00:44:56.670 published 5468 00:44:57.000 --> 00:44:57.240 in 5469 00:44:57.240 --> 00:44:57.720 December 5470 00:44:57.720 --> 00:44:58.140 of 5471 00:44:58.140 --> 00:44:59.370 1984, 5472 00:44:59.370 --> 00:44:59.790 and 5473 00:44:59.790 --> 00:45:00.120 we had a 5474 00:45:00.120 --> 00:45:00.510 big press 5475 00:45:00.510 --> 00:45:00.960 conference on 5476 00:45:00.960 --> 00:45:01.290 Capitol 5477 00:45:01.290 --> 00:45:01.650 Hill in 5478 00:45:01.650 --> 00:45:02.130 February of 5479 00:45:02.130 --> 00:45:03.510 1985. 5480 00:45:04.340 --> 00:45:04.940 And 5481 00:45:04.940 --> 00:45:05.180 that 5482 00:45:05.180 --> 00:45:05.450 press 5483 00:45:05.450 --> 00:45:05.900 conference 5484 00:45:05.900 --> 00:45:06.200 and the 5485 00:45:06.200 --> 00:45:06.680 publishing of 5486 00:45:06.680 --> 00:45:07.070 A Shot in the 5487 00:45:07.070 --> 00:45:07.460 Dark, which 5488 00:45:07.460 --> 00:45:07.670 was 5489 00:45:07.670 --> 00:45:08.480 another 5490 00:45:08.480 --> 00:45:09.050 shot 5491 00:45:09.050 --> 00:45:09.470 across 5492 00:45:09.470 --> 00:45:09.560 the 5493 00:45:09.560 --> 00:45:09.980 bow. 5494 00:45:10.100 --> 00:45:10.460 I mean, it 5495 00:45:10.460 --> 00:45:10.730 was the 5496 00:45:10.730 --> 00:45:11.060 first 5497 00:45:11.060 --> 00:45:11.360 time 5498 00:45:11.360 --> 00:45:11.780 anyone 5499 00:45:11.780 --> 00:45:12.230 had really 5500 00:45:12.230 --> 00:45:13.310 documented 5501 00:45:13.310 --> 00:45:13.670 and 5502 00:45:13.670 --> 00:45:14.030 made the 5503 00:45:14.030 --> 00:45:14.510 argument 5504 00:45:14.510 --> 00:45:14.720 that 5505 00:45:14.720 --> 00:45:15.020 the 5506 00:45:15.020 --> 00:45:15.620 mandatory 5507 00:45:15.620 --> 00:45:16.220 vaccination 5508 00:45:16.220 --> 00:45:16.610 system 5509 00:45:16.610 --> 00:45:17.000 was 5510 00:45:17.000 --> 00:45:17.840 broken 5511 00:45:17.840 --> 00:45:18.290 and 5512 00:45:18.290 --> 00:45:18.740 that this 5513 00:45:18.740 --> 00:45:19.370 vaccine 5514 00:45:19.370 --> 00:45:19.820 was very 5515 00:45:19.820 --> 00:45:20.300 dangerous and 5516 00:45:20.300 --> 00:45:20.540 had been 5517 00:45:20.540 --> 00:45:21.290 allowed 5518 00:45:21.290 --> 00:45:21.710 to 5519 00:45:21.710 --> 00:45:22.070 not be 5520 00:45:22.070 --> 00:45:22.490 improved 5521 00:45:22.490 --> 00:45:22.910 for all these 5522 00:45:22.940 --> 00:45:23.480 years. 5523 00:45:23.480 --> 00:45:23.930 I mean, 5524 00:45:23.930 --> 00:45:24.380 just 5525 00:45:24.380 --> 00:45:24.830 right 5526 00:45:24.830 --> 00:45:25.160 there, 5527 00:45:25.160 --> 00:45:25.520 just for a 5528 00:45:25.520 --> 00:45:26.000 moment, 5529 00:45:26.000 --> 00:45:26.480 you 5530 00:45:26.480 --> 00:45:26.690 were 5531 00:45:26.690 --> 00:45:27.770 pro-vaccine, 5532 00:45:27.770 --> 00:45:28.250 the first 5533 00:45:28.250 --> 00:45:28.670 time 5534 00:45:28.670 --> 00:45:29.090 you have a 5535 00:45:29.090 --> 00:45:29.570 localized 5536 00:45:29.570 --> 00:45:30.020 injury, 5537 00:45:30.020 --> 00:45:30.470 you wanted 5538 00:45:30.470 --> 00:45:30.920 to take 5539 00:45:30.920 --> 00:45:31.280 your kid 5540 00:45:31.280 --> 00:45:31.730 back in 5541 00:45:31.730 --> 00:45:32.180 for another 5542 00:45:32.180 --> 00:45:32.570 one because it 5543 00:45:32.570 --> 00:45:33.050 may not be 5544 00:45:33.050 --> 00:45:34.160 working 5545 00:45:34.160 --> 00:45:34.330 . 5546 00:45:34.330 --> 00:45:34.930 There, 5547 00:45:34.930 --> 00:45:35.390 was there a 5548 00:45:35.390 --> 00:45:35.780 part of 5549 00:45:35.780 --> 00:45:36.110 you that 5550 00:45:36.110 --> 00:45:36.320 was 5551 00:45:36.320 --> 00:45:36.680 worried 5552 00:45:36.680 --> 00:45:37.040 that the 5553 00:45:37.040 --> 00:45:37.430 work I'm 5554 00:45:37.430 --> 00:45:37.700 doing 5555 00:45:37.700 --> 00:45:38.000 now 5556 00:45:38.000 --> 00:45:38.300 could 5557 00:45:38.300 --> 00:45:38.750 destroy the 5558 00:45:38.750 --> 00:45:39.200 vaccine 5559 00:45:39.200 --> 00:45:39.650 program 5560 00:45:39.650 --> 00:45:40.100 forever? 5561 00:45:40.100 --> 00:45:40.580 I mean, had 5562 00:45:40.580 --> 00:45:40.730 you 5563 00:45:40.730 --> 00:45:41.330 lost 5564 00:45:41.330 --> 00:45:41.780 all 5565 00:45:41.780 --> 00:45:42.260 affinity 5566 00:45:42.260 --> 00:45:42.470 to the 5567 00:45:42.470 --> 00:45:42.830 vaccine 5568 00:45:42.830 --> 00:45:43.250 program, or were 5569 00:45:43.250 --> 00:45:43.490 you just 5570 00:45:43.490 --> 00:45:43.820 trying to 5571 00:45:43.820 --> 00:45:44.210 get it 5572 00:45:44.210 --> 00:45:45.110 fixed? 5573 00:45:45.110 --> 00:45:45.890 No, 5574 00:45:45.890 --> 00:45:46.400 I, 5575 00:45:46.400 --> 00:45:46.850 I 5576 00:45:46.850 --> 00:45:47.090 was 5577 00:45:47.090 --> 00:45:47.900 worried. 5578 00:45:48.590 --> 00:45:49.070 You know 5579 00:45:49.070 --> 00:45:49.400 what I was 5580 00:45:49.400 --> 00:45:49.610 worried 5581 00:45:49.610 --> 00:45:50.180 about? 5582 00:45:51.620 --> 00:45:52.130 I 5583 00:45:52.130 --> 00:45:52.310 was 5584 00:45:52.310 --> 00:45:52.730 worried 5585 00:45:52.730 --> 00:45:53.790 that 5586 00:45:53.790 --> 00:45:55.020 somehow 5587 00:45:55.020 --> 00:45:55.380 there would be 5588 00:45:55.380 --> 00:45:55.590 these 5589 00:45:55.590 --> 00:45:55.950 horrible 5590 00:45:55.950 --> 00:45:56.250 whooping 5591 00:45:56.250 --> 00:45:56.490 cough 5592 00:45:56.490 --> 00:45:57.450 epidemics. 5593 00:45:58.310 --> 00:45:58.790 I 5594 00:45:58.790 --> 00:45:59.180 was, 5595 00:45:59.180 --> 00:45:59.570 I 5596 00:45:59.570 --> 00:46:00.170 knew 5597 00:46:00.170 --> 00:46:00.560 that the 5598 00:46:00.560 --> 00:46:01.100 vaccine 5599 00:46:01.100 --> 00:46:01.310 was 5600 00:46:01.310 --> 00:46:02.450 bad, 5601 00:46:02.450 --> 00:46:03.020 but 5602 00:46:03.020 --> 00:46:03.170 I 5603 00:46:03.170 --> 00:46:03.530 also 5604 00:46:03.560 --> 00:46:03.770 was 5605 00:46:03.770 --> 00:46:04.190 worried 5606 00:46:04.190 --> 00:46:04.880 about 5607 00:46:04.880 --> 00:46:05.150 the 5608 00:46:05.150 --> 00:46:05.990 disease, 5609 00:46:05.990 --> 00:46:06.950 because 5610 00:46:06.950 --> 00:46:07.580 if, 5611 00:46:07.580 --> 00:46:08.030 I didn't 5612 00:46:08.030 --> 00:46:08.510 know what would 5613 00:46:08.510 --> 00:46:08.870 happen 5614 00:46:08.870 --> 00:46:09.020 if 5615 00:46:09.020 --> 00:46:09.590 everybody 5616 00:46:09.590 --> 00:46:09.860 stopped 5617 00:46:09.860 --> 00:46:10.280 using the 5618 00:46:10.280 --> 00:46:10.700 vaccine 5619 00:46:10.700 --> 00:46:11.150 and we 5620 00:46:11.150 --> 00:46:11.510 did not 5621 00:46:11.510 --> 00:46:11.930 call for 5622 00:46:11.930 --> 00:46:12.380 that, 5623 00:46:12.380 --> 00:46:12.710 we 5624 00:46:12.710 --> 00:46:13.160 called for 5625 00:46:13.160 --> 00:46:13.610 a safer 5626 00:46:13.610 --> 00:46:15.190 vaccine. 5627 00:46:15.190 --> 00:46:15.660 And 5628 00:46:15.660 --> 00:46:15.870 we 5629 00:46:15.870 --> 00:46:16.170 called 5630 00:46:16.170 --> 00:46:16.410 for 5631 00:46:16.410 --> 00:46:17.070 obviously 5632 00:46:17.070 --> 00:46:17.520 informed 5633 00:46:17.520 --> 00:46:17.970 consent 5634 00:46:17.970 --> 00:46:18.120 and 5635 00:46:18.120 --> 00:46:18.960 choice. 5636 00:46:18.960 --> 00:46:19.410 But 5637 00:46:19.410 --> 00:46:19.710 we did 5638 00:46:19.710 --> 00:46:20.010 not 5639 00:46:20.010 --> 00:46:20.490 say you 5640 00:46:20.490 --> 00:46:20.790 shouldn't 5641 00:46:20.790 --> 00:46:21.120 use 5642 00:46:21.120 --> 00:46:21.300 it 5643 00:46:21.300 --> 00:46:21.870 or, 5644 00:46:21.870 --> 00:46:22.020 you 5645 00:46:22.020 --> 00:46:22.500 know, 5646 00:46:22.500 --> 00:46:23.010 nobody 5647 00:46:23.010 --> 00:46:23.340 should get 5648 00:46:23.340 --> 00:46:23.880 vaccinated. 5649 00:46:23.880 --> 00:46:24.300 We never, 5650 00:46:24.300 --> 00:46:24.600 ever 5651 00:46:24.600 --> 00:46:24.840 said 5652 00:46:24.840 --> 00:46:25.560 that. 5653 00:46:25.650 --> 00:46:26.100 But 5654 00:46:26.100 --> 00:46:26.310 I 5655 00:46:26.310 --> 00:46:26.610 still 5656 00:46:26.610 --> 00:46:27.330 worried. 5657 00:46:27.360 --> 00:46:27.840 I didn't 5658 00:46:27.840 --> 00:46:28.320 know exactly 5659 00:46:28.320 --> 00:46:28.770 what was going to 5660 00:46:28.770 --> 00:46:29.250 happen. 5661 00:46:30.150 --> 00:46:30.570 Well, 5662 00:46:30.570 --> 00:46:30.750 what 5663 00:46:30.750 --> 00:46:31.170 happened 5664 00:46:31.170 --> 00:46:31.950 was, 5665 00:46:32.730 --> 00:46:33.360 after 5666 00:46:33.360 --> 00:46:33.810 the book 5667 00:46:33.810 --> 00:46:34.110 was 5668 00:46:34.110 --> 00:46:34.530 published, 5669 00:46:34.530 --> 00:46:34.860 it almost 5670 00:46:34.860 --> 00:46:35.160 didn't get 5671 00:46:35.160 --> 00:46:36.030 published, 5672 00:46:36.240 --> 00:46:37.050 because 5673 00:46:37.050 --> 00:46:37.170 the 5674 00:46:37.170 --> 00:46:37.860 younger 5675 00:46:37.860 --> 00:46:38.790 Jovanovich 5676 00:46:39.330 --> 00:46:39.810 didn't want 5677 00:46:39.810 --> 00:46:39.900 it 5678 00:46:39.900 --> 00:46:40.470 published 5679 00:46:40.470 --> 00:46:40.770 and the 5680 00:46:40.770 --> 00:46:41.070 medical 5681 00:46:41.070 --> 00:46:41.400 community 5682 00:46:41.400 --> 00:46:41.820 didn't want to 5683 00:46:41.820 --> 00:46:42.240 publish. It 5684 00:46:42.240 --> 00:46:42.600 was sent 5685 00:46:42.600 --> 00:46:42.750 up 5686 00:46:43.050 --> 00:46:43.290 for 5687 00:46:43.290 --> 00:46:43.670 review, 5688 00:46:43.670 --> 00:46:44.070 you know, 5689 00:46:44.220 --> 00:46:44.520 you 5690 00:46:44.670 --> 00:46:45.060 get sent up 5691 00:46:45.060 --> 00:46:45.210 for 5692 00:46:45.210 --> 00:46:45.720 review. 5693 00:46:45.750 --> 00:46:46.920 They 5694 00:46:46.920 --> 00:46:47.250 tried to 5695 00:46:47.250 --> 00:46:47.610 stop 5696 00:46:47.610 --> 00:46:47.970 it. 5697 00:46:48.830 --> 00:46:49.220 And 5698 00:46:49.220 --> 00:46:49.550 the older 5699 00:46:49.550 --> 00:46:50.140 Jovanovich, 5700 00:46:50.140 --> 00:46:50.570 who is 5701 00:46:50.570 --> 00:46:50.840 no 5702 00:46:50.840 --> 00:46:51.170 longer 5703 00:46:51.170 --> 00:46:51.980 alive, 5704 00:46:51.980 --> 00:46:52.730 said 5705 00:46:53.180 --> 00:46:53.480 I 5706 00:46:53.480 --> 00:46:53.840 publish 5707 00:46:53.840 --> 00:46:54.680 dissidents. 5708 00:46:54.680 --> 00:46:55.100 They've 5709 00:46:55.100 --> 00:46:55.490 been waiting 5710 00:46:55.490 --> 00:46:55.820 a long 5711 00:46:55.820 --> 00:46:56.390 time. 5712 00:46:56.390 --> 00:46:56.540 We're 5713 00:46:56.540 --> 00:46:56.960 publishing 5714 00:46:56.960 --> 00:46:57.110 this 5715 00:46:57.110 --> 00:46:58.300 book. 5716 00:46:58.300 --> 00:46:58.640 He 5717 00:46:58.640 --> 00:46:58.940 saved 5718 00:46:58.940 --> 00:46:59.390 it. 5719 00:46:59.390 --> 00:47:00.050 Wow. 5720 00:47:00.410 --> 00:47:00.920 And 5721 00:47:00.920 --> 00:47:01.400 actually, 5722 00:47:01.400 --> 00:47:01.580 the 5723 00:47:01.580 --> 00:47:02.390 editor 5724 00:47:02.690 --> 00:47:02.990 of A 5725 00:47:02.990 --> 00:47:03.380 Shot in the 5726 00:47:03.380 --> 00:47:04.040 Dark, 5727 00:47:04.040 --> 00:47:04.460 my 5728 00:47:04.460 --> 00:47:04.970 editor, 5729 00:47:04.970 --> 00:47:05.180 Paul 5730 00:47:05.180 --> 00:47:05.960 McCloskey, 5731 00:47:06.290 --> 00:47:06.710 who 5732 00:47:06.710 --> 00:47:07.100 is also 5733 00:47:07.100 --> 00:47:07.550 no longer 5734 00:47:07.550 --> 00:47:07.850 here, 5735 00:47:07.850 --> 00:47:08.300 he 5736 00:47:08.300 --> 00:47:08.780 was an 5737 00:47:08.780 --> 00:47:09.110 aide 5738 00:47:09.110 --> 00:47:09.740 to 5739 00:47:09.740 --> 00:47:10.130 Robert 5740 00:47:10.130 --> 00:47:10.700 Kennedy, 5741 00:47:10.700 --> 00:47:11.120 and he 5742 00:47:11.120 --> 00:47:11.330 was 5743 00:47:11.330 --> 00:47:12.020 there 5744 00:47:12.020 --> 00:47:12.440 the 5745 00:47:12.440 --> 00:47:12.710 day 5746 00:47:12.710 --> 00:47:12.980 that 5747 00:47:12.980 --> 00:47:13.280 Robert 5748 00:47:13.280 --> 00:47:13.640 Kennedy 5749 00:47:13.640 --> 00:47:14.920 died. 5750 00:47:14.920 --> 00:47:15.290 He 5751 00:47:15.290 --> 00:47:15.470 was 5752 00:47:15.470 --> 00:47:15.890 amazing, 5753 00:47:15.890 --> 00:47:16.370 man. Paul 5754 00:47:16.370 --> 00:47:16.940 McCloskey, 5755 00:47:16.940 --> 00:47:17.390 he actually 5756 00:47:17.390 --> 00:47:17.930 had 5757 00:47:17.930 --> 00:47:18.680 post-polio 5758 00:47:18.680 --> 00:47:19.160 syndrome, he 5759 00:47:19.160 --> 00:47:19.400 had had 5760 00:47:19.400 --> 00:47:19.880 polio as a 5761 00:47:19.880 --> 00:47:20.600 child, 5762 00:47:20.600 --> 00:47:21.110 and 5763 00:47:21.110 --> 00:47:21.410 he 5764 00:47:21.410 --> 00:47:21.860 fought for 5765 00:47:21.860 --> 00:47:22.070 that 5766 00:47:22.070 --> 00:47:22.670 book. 5767 00:47:22.670 --> 00:47:23.120 He 5768 00:47:23.120 --> 00:47:23.420 fought 5769 00:47:23.420 --> 00:47:23.810 for our 5770 00:47:23.810 --> 00:47:24.620 book 5771 00:47:24.620 --> 00:47:25.010 to 5772 00:47:25.010 --> 00:47:25.160 be 5773 00:47:25.160 --> 00:47:25.640 published 5774 00:47:25.640 --> 00:47:26.120 because he 5775 00:47:26.120 --> 00:47:26.660 said, 5776 00:47:27.480 --> 00:47:27.780 that's a 5777 00:47:27.780 --> 00:47:28.020 bad 5778 00:47:28.020 --> 00:47:28.770 vaccine. 5779 00:47:29.350 --> 00:47:29.680 You 5780 00:47:29.680 --> 00:47:30.280 know. 5781 00:47:30.280 --> 00:47:30.970 Yeah. 5782 00:47:30.970 --> 00:47:32.230 And, 5783 00:47:32.230 --> 00:47:32.740 at 5784 00:47:32.740 --> 00:47:32.920 any 5785 00:47:32.920 --> 00:47:34.880 rate, 5786 00:47:34.880 --> 00:47:35.440 so 5787 00:47:35.440 --> 00:47:35.860 A Shot in the 5788 00:47:35.860 --> 00:47:36.340 Dark comes 5789 00:47:36.340 --> 00:47:36.790 out, it 5790 00:47:36.790 --> 00:47:37.270 causes a 5791 00:47:37.270 --> 00:47:38.020 scandal. 5792 00:47:38.020 --> 00:47:38.410 The New 5793 00:47:38.410 --> 00:47:38.530 York 5794 00:47:38.530 --> 00:47:38.920 Times 5795 00:47:38.920 --> 00:47:39.250 and the Wall 5796 00:47:39.250 --> 00:47:39.460 Street 5797 00:47:39.460 --> 00:47:39.910 Journal give 5798 00:47:39.910 --> 00:47:40.000 it 5799 00:47:40.030 --> 00:47:40.750 hysterical 5800 00:47:40.750 --> 00:47:41.170 knee-jerk 5801 00:47:41.170 --> 00:47:42.160 reviews. 5802 00:47:42.190 --> 00:47:42.580 What 5803 00:47:42.580 --> 00:47:42.940 were their 5804 00:47:42.940 --> 00:47:43.390 claims, 5805 00:47:43.390 --> 00:47:43.720 like what 5806 00:47:43.720 --> 00:47:44.080 were they 5807 00:47:44.080 --> 00:47:44.530 saying, New 5808 00:47:44.530 --> 00:47:44.980 York Times? 5809 00:47:44.980 --> 00:47:45.370 I made the 5810 00:47:45.370 --> 00:47:45.790 cases 5811 00:47:45.790 --> 00:47:46.270 up. 5812 00:47:46.390 --> 00:47:46.750 Oh, you 5813 00:47:46.750 --> 00:47:47.020 made it 5814 00:47:47.020 --> 00:47:47.350 up. 5815 00:47:47.350 --> 00:47:47.770 I made it 5816 00:47:47.770 --> 00:47:48.220 up. I made 5817 00:47:48.220 --> 00:47:48.430 those 5818 00:47:48.430 --> 00:47:48.760 cases 5819 00:47:48.760 --> 00:47:49.150 up. 5820 00:47:49.150 --> 00:47:49.510 That 5821 00:47:49.510 --> 00:47:49.990 was one of the 5822 00:47:49.990 --> 00:47:51.150 charges, 5823 00:47:51.150 --> 00:47:51.610 that 5824 00:47:51.610 --> 00:47:51.950 we had 5825 00:47:51.950 --> 00:47:52.350 totally, 5826 00:47:52.350 --> 00:47:52.570 which 5827 00:47:52.570 --> 00:47:52.870 was, 5828 00:47:52.870 --> 00:47:53.620 I 5829 00:47:53.620 --> 00:47:54.070 knew 5830 00:47:54.070 --> 00:47:54.490 I had to 5831 00:47:54.490 --> 00:47:54.970 document 5832 00:47:54.970 --> 00:47:55.600 everything, 5833 00:47:55.600 --> 00:47:55.750 you 5834 00:47:55.750 --> 00:47:56.170 know, 5835 00:47:56.170 --> 00:47:56.500 from the 5836 00:47:56.500 --> 00:47:56.710 get 5837 00:47:56.710 --> 00:47:57.220 go. 5838 00:47:57.220 --> 00:47:58.200 And 5839 00:47:58.200 --> 00:47:58.990 that 5840 00:47:58.990 --> 00:47:59.320 we had 5841 00:47:59.320 --> 00:47:59.680 totally 5842 00:47:59.680 --> 00:48:00.520 overestimated, 5843 00:48:00.520 --> 00:48:01.700 over, 5844 00:48:01.700 --> 00:48:02.200 put 5845 00:48:02.200 --> 00:48:02.410 more 5846 00:48:02.410 --> 00:48:02.860 emphasis 5847 00:48:02.860 --> 00:48:03.190 on the 5848 00:48:03.190 --> 00:48:03.850 reactions 5849 00:48:03.850 --> 00:48:04.270 than on the 5850 00:48:04.270 --> 00:48:06.130 disease, 5851 00:48:06.130 --> 00:48:06.460 that 5852 00:48:06.460 --> 00:48:06.940 we are 5853 00:48:06.940 --> 00:48:07.480 conspiracy 5854 00:48:07.510 --> 00:48:08.380 theorists, 5855 00:48:08.890 --> 00:48:09.310 that we thought 5856 00:48:09.310 --> 00:48:09.760 everybody was 5857 00:48:09.760 --> 00:48:09.910 in a 5858 00:48:09.910 --> 00:48:11.050 conspiracy. 5859 00:48:11.200 --> 00:48:11.650 Well, you 5860 00:48:11.650 --> 00:48:12.040 know, when you 5861 00:48:12.040 --> 00:48:12.340 lay the 5862 00:48:12.340 --> 00:48:12.730 facts 5863 00:48:12.730 --> 00:48:13.480 out, 5864 00:48:13.720 --> 00:48:14.170 which is 5865 00:48:14.170 --> 00:48:14.470 what we 5866 00:48:14.470 --> 00:48:16.230 did, 5867 00:48:16.230 --> 00:48:16.810 if 5868 00:48:16.810 --> 00:48:17.110 people 5869 00:48:17.110 --> 00:48:17.740 conclude 5870 00:48:17.740 --> 00:48:17.920 that 5871 00:48:17.920 --> 00:48:18.250 there's 5872 00:48:18.250 --> 00:48:18.430 a, 5873 00:48:18.430 --> 00:48:18.970 there 5874 00:48:18.970 --> 00:48:19.390 seems to be 5875 00:48:19.390 --> 00:48:19.690 something 5876 00:48:19.720 --> 00:48:19.960 funny 5877 00:48:19.960 --> 00:48:20.260 going 5878 00:48:20.260 --> 00:48:20.470 on 5879 00:48:20.470 --> 00:48:21.190 here. 5880 00:48:21.610 --> 00:48:22.150 Yeah. 5881 00:48:23.580 --> 00:48:23.970 It's 5882 00:48:23.970 --> 00:48:24.360 sort of like 5883 00:48:24.360 --> 00:48:24.600 this 5884 00:48:24.600 --> 00:48:25.110 COVID. 5885 00:48:25.140 --> 00:48:25.530 It's 5886 00:48:25.530 --> 00:48:25.830 three 5887 00:48:25.830 --> 00:48:26.400 companies. 5888 00:48:26.400 --> 00:48:26.760 I mean, it's 5889 00:48:26.760 --> 00:48:27.180 like that's a 5890 00:48:27.180 --> 00:48:27.750 conspiracy, 5891 00:48:27.750 --> 00:48:28.110 that's a 5892 00:48:28.110 --> 00:48:28.410 small 5893 00:48:28.410 --> 00:48:28.770 group of 5894 00:48:28.770 --> 00:48:29.130 people 5895 00:48:29.130 --> 00:48:29.400 that are 5896 00:48:29.400 --> 00:48:29.850 affecting a 5897 00:48:29.850 --> 00:48:30.090 lot of 5898 00:48:30.090 --> 00:48:30.450 people's 5899 00:48:30.450 --> 00:48:30.930 lives 5900 00:48:30.930 --> 00:48:31.350 making this 5901 00:48:31.350 --> 00:48:32.250 product. 5902 00:48:32.940 --> 00:48:33.420 I mean, we're 5903 00:48:33.420 --> 00:48:33.840 saying the 5904 00:48:33.840 --> 00:48:34.260 government 5905 00:48:34.260 --> 00:48:34.530 wasn't 5906 00:48:34.530 --> 00:48:34.920 doing its 5907 00:48:34.920 --> 00:48:35.430 job 5908 00:48:35.430 --> 00:48:35.670 and the 5909 00:48:35.670 --> 00:48:36.150 doctors weren't 5910 00:48:36.150 --> 00:48:36.510 doing their 5911 00:48:36.510 --> 00:48:36.960 job, and they 5912 00:48:36.960 --> 00:48:37.380 were all trying 5913 00:48:37.380 --> 00:48:37.710 to cover 5914 00:48:37.710 --> 00:48:38.100 everything 5915 00:48:38.100 --> 00:48:38.690 up, 5916 00:48:38.690 --> 00:48:39.870 basically. 5917 00:48:40.500 --> 00:48:40.920 And 5918 00:48:40.920 --> 00:48:41.100 we 5919 00:48:41.100 --> 00:48:41.640 documented 5920 00:48:41.640 --> 00:48:42.180 it. 5921 00:48:42.180 --> 00:48:43.050 So 5922 00:48:43.050 --> 00:48:43.230 it 5923 00:48:43.230 --> 00:48:44.100 was, 5924 00:48:44.100 --> 00:48:44.430 it 5925 00:48:44.430 --> 00:48:44.640 was 5926 00:48:44.640 --> 00:48:45.060 interesting 5927 00:48:45.060 --> 00:48:45.420 because that 5928 00:48:45.420 --> 00:48:45.900 put pressure 5929 00:48:45.900 --> 00:48:46.020 on 5930 00:48:46.020 --> 00:48:46.440 Congress 5931 00:48:46.440 --> 00:48:46.890 too, 5932 00:48:46.890 --> 00:48:47.100 the 5933 00:48:47.100 --> 00:48:47.550 publicity 5934 00:48:47.550 --> 00:48:47.910 around A 5935 00:48:47.910 --> 00:48:48.240 Shot in the 5936 00:48:48.240 --> 00:48:48.870 Dark, 5937 00:48:48.870 --> 00:48:49.350 and 5938 00:48:49.350 --> 00:48:49.560 those 5939 00:48:49.560 --> 00:48:50.400 lawsuits. 5940 00:48:50.940 --> 00:48:51.450 So 5941 00:48:51.450 --> 00:48:51.900 we've got the 5942 00:48:51.900 --> 00:48:52.500 prices 5943 00:48:52.500 --> 00:48:52.710 of 5944 00:48:52.710 --> 00:48:53.340 DPT 5945 00:48:53.340 --> 00:48:54.570 skyrocketing, 5946 00:48:54.570 --> 00:48:55.020 we've 5947 00:48:55.020 --> 00:48:55.200 got 5948 00:48:55.200 --> 00:48:55.650 vaccine 5949 00:48:55.650 --> 00:48:56.310 shortages, 5950 00:48:56.310 --> 00:48:56.670 we've got 5951 00:48:56.700 --> 00:48:57.000 whooping 5952 00:48:57.000 --> 00:48:57.270 cough 5953 00:48:57.270 --> 00:49:00.020 epidemics, 5954 00:49:00.020 --> 00:49:00.710 and 5955 00:49:00.710 --> 00:49:01.070 these 5956 00:49:01.070 --> 00:49:01.490 bills 5957 00:49:01.490 --> 00:49:01.940 are going 5958 00:49:01.940 --> 00:49:02.120 through 5959 00:49:02.120 --> 00:49:02.510 different 5960 00:49:02.510 --> 00:49:03.680 incarnations 5961 00:49:03.680 --> 00:49:04.130 back 5962 00:49:04.130 --> 00:49:04.250 and 5963 00:49:04.250 --> 00:49:05.030 forth. 5964 00:49:05.030 --> 00:49:05.450 And 5965 00:49:05.450 --> 00:49:05.810 when we 5966 00:49:05.810 --> 00:49:06.290 broke with 5967 00:49:06.290 --> 00:49:06.410 the 5968 00:49:06.410 --> 00:49:07.130 AAP 5969 00:49:07.520 --> 00:49:07.790 in 5970 00:49:07.790 --> 00:49:09.940 '85, 5971 00:49:09.940 --> 00:49:11.380 what 5972 00:49:11.380 --> 00:49:11.470 did 5973 00:49:11.470 --> 00:49:11.920 Waxman 5974 00:49:11.920 --> 00:49:12.400 do? 5975 00:49:13.660 --> 00:49:14.140 He'd been 5976 00:49:14.140 --> 00:49:14.260 our 5977 00:49:14.260 --> 00:49:14.920 friend. 5978 00:49:16.550 --> 00:49:16.970 He 5979 00:49:16.970 --> 00:49:17.390 forwards a 5980 00:49:17.390 --> 00:49:19.540 bill, 5981 00:49:19.540 --> 00:49:20.160 no 5982 00:49:20.160 --> 00:49:20.490 design 5983 00:49:20.490 --> 00:49:21.450 defect, 5984 00:49:21.450 --> 00:49:22.470 lawsuits. 5985 00:49:22.800 --> 00:49:23.550 No 5986 00:49:23.550 --> 00:49:24.650 lawsuits 5987 00:49:24.650 --> 00:49:25.140 if you 5988 00:49:25.140 --> 00:49:25.530 comply 5989 00:49:25.530 --> 00:49:25.740 with 5990 00:49:25.740 --> 00:49:26.100 FDA 5991 00:49:26.100 --> 00:49:26.670 standards 5992 00:49:26.670 --> 00:49:27.030 against the 5993 00:49:27.030 --> 00:49:28.170 manufacturers, 5994 00:49:28.290 --> 00:49:28.800 no 5995 00:49:28.800 --> 00:49:29.100 safety 5996 00:49:29.100 --> 00:49:29.550 provisions 5997 00:49:29.550 --> 00:49:29.910 or very 5998 00:49:29.910 --> 00:49:30.390 few safety 5999 00:49:30.390 --> 00:49:31.200 provisions. 6000 00:49:32.810 --> 00:49:32.900 The 6001 00:49:32.900 --> 00:49:33.320 restricted 6002 00:49:33.320 --> 00:49:33.950 compensation 6003 00:49:33.950 --> 00:49:34.340 program, 6004 00:49:34.340 --> 00:49:34.460 and 6005 00:49:34.460 --> 00:49:34.850 I'm 6006 00:49:34.850 --> 00:49:35.330 looking at that 6007 00:49:35.330 --> 00:49:35.480 and 6008 00:49:35.480 --> 00:49:36.170 going, 6009 00:49:36.620 --> 00:49:37.580 wow. 6010 00:49:38.400 --> 00:49:38.700 He's 6011 00:49:38.700 --> 00:49:39.300 mad. 6012 00:49:40.140 --> 00:49:40.530 He's 6013 00:49:40.530 --> 00:49:40.770 mad 6014 00:49:40.770 --> 00:49:41.490 that, 6015 00:49:41.670 --> 00:49:41.940 you 6016 00:49:41.940 --> 00:49:42.360 know, it 6017 00:49:42.360 --> 00:49:42.480 had 6018 00:49:42.480 --> 00:49:42.900 broken 6019 00:49:42.900 --> 00:49:43.260 off 6020 00:49:43.260 --> 00:49:43.800 and 6021 00:49:43.800 --> 00:49:43.890 he 6022 00:49:43.890 --> 00:49:44.610 forwards 6023 00:49:44.610 --> 00:49:44.910 this 6024 00:49:45.030 --> 00:49:45.300 which is 6025 00:49:45.300 --> 00:49:45.780 basically 6026 00:49:45.780 --> 00:49:45.870 a 6027 00:49:45.870 --> 00:49:46.650 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00:51:44.210 --> 00:51:44.690 liability 6254 00:51:44.690 --> 00:51:45.170 all the way to 6255 00:51:45.170 --> 00:51:45.560 the bank, 6256 00:51:45.560 --> 00:51:45.980 is what they 6257 00:51:45.980 --> 00:51:46.400 were doing. 6258 00:51:46.400 --> 00:51:46.670 Got 6259 00:51:46.670 --> 00:51:47.030 it. 6260 00:51:49.150 --> 00:51:49.720 And 6261 00:51:49.720 --> 00:51:50.530 so 6262 00:51:50.530 --> 00:51:51.040 we 6263 00:51:51.040 --> 00:51:51.670 continued 6264 00:51:51.670 --> 00:51:52.120 to come 6265 00:51:52.120 --> 00:51:52.330 up 6266 00:51:52.330 --> 00:51:52.780 against 6267 00:51:52.780 --> 00:51:53.020 this 6268 00:51:53.050 --> 00:51:53.860 opposition 6269 00:51:53.860 --> 00:51:54.160 on 6270 00:51:54.160 --> 00:51:54.520 this 6271 00:51:54.520 --> 00:51:55.180 bill 6272 00:51:55.750 --> 00:51:56.170 in the 6273 00:51:56.170 --> 00:51:56.680 various 6274 00:51:56.680 --> 00:51:58.810 incarnations, 6275 00:51:58.810 --> 00:51:59.770 by 6276 00:51:59.770 --> 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00:52:12.390 sudden 6301 00:52:12.390 --> 00:52:12.900 everybody 6302 00:52:12.900 --> 00:52:13.320 said, wait a 6303 00:52:13.320 --> 00:52:13.710 minute, 6304 00:52:13.710 --> 00:52:14.100 this is 6305 00:52:14.100 --> 00:52:14.520 all going 6306 00:52:14.520 --> 00:52:15.240 south, 6307 00:52:15.240 --> 00:52:15.690 we've 6308 00:52:15.690 --> 00:52:16.080 got to do 6309 00:52:16.080 --> 00:52:16.620 something. 6310 00:52:16.620 --> 00:52:17.070 And so 6311 00:52:17.070 --> 00:52:17.400 they went 6312 00:52:17.400 --> 00:52:17.850 back 6313 00:52:17.850 --> 00:52:18.090 to a 6314 00:52:18.090 --> 00:52:18.570 lot of the 6315 00:52:18.570 --> 00:52:18.960 things 6316 00:52:18.960 --> 00:52:19.410 that we 6317 00:52:19.410 --> 00:52:20.190 wanted. 6318 00:52:20.220 --> 00:52:20.700 They 6319 00:52:20.700 --> 00:52:21.090 created 6320 00:52:21.090 --> 00:52:21.960 legislation 6321 00:52:21.960 --> 00:52:22.320 that 6322 00:52:22.500 --> 00:52:22.740 had a 6323 00:52:22.740 --> 00:52:23.130 lot of 6324 00:52:23.130 --> 00:52:23.550 the stuff 6325 00:52:23.550 --> 00:52:23.880 that we 6326 00:52:23.880 --> 00:52:24.480 wanted. 6327 00:52:27.180 --> 00:52:27.540 The 6328 00:52:27.540 --> 00:52:27.990 clock was 6329 00:52:27.990 --> 00:52:30.130 ticking, 6330 00:52:30.130 --> 00:52:30.770 and 6331 00:52:30.770 --> 00:52:30.920 a 6332 00:52:30.920 --> 00:52:31.370 bill 6333 00:52:31.370 --> 00:52:31.700 was 6334 00:52:31.700 --> 00:52:31.940 put 6335 00:52:31.940 --> 00:52:32.690 together 6336 00:52:32.690 --> 00:52:33.140 that 6337 00:52:33.140 --> 00:52:33.620 we were 6338 00:52:33.620 --> 00:52:33.980 able to 6339 00:52:33.980 --> 00:52:34.940 support. 6340 00:52:34.970 --> 00:52:35.480 We 6341 00:52:35.480 --> 00:52:35.810 had to 6342 00:52:35.810 --> 00:52:36.170 give up 6343 00:52:36.170 --> 00:52:36.380 some 6344 00:52:36.380 --> 00:52:37.130 things, 6345 00:52:37.550 --> 00:52:38.030 but 6346 00:52:38.030 --> 00:52:38.240 we 6347 00:52:38.240 --> 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6371 00:52:52.530 --> 00:52:53.010 who 6372 00:52:53.010 --> 00:52:53.430 held it 6373 00:52:53.430 --> 00:52:53.640 up 6374 00:52:53.640 --> 00:52:54.060 the 6375 00:52:54.060 --> 00:52:54.690 longest 6376 00:52:54.690 --> 00:52:55.110 was 6377 00:52:55.110 --> 00:52:55.320 Ed 6378 00:52:55.320 --> 00:52:55.740 Meese, 6379 00:52:55.740 --> 00:52:56.190 Attorney 6380 00:52:56.190 --> 00:52:56.550 General 6381 00:52:56.550 --> 00:52:56.940 Ed Meese 6382 00:52:56.940 --> 00:52:57.150 from 6383 00:52:57.150 --> 00:52:57.870 Justice. 6384 00:52:58.690 --> 00:52:59.110 What was he 6385 00:52:59.110 --> 00:52:59.530 holding up? 6386 00:52:59.530 --> 00:52:59.980 What was the 6387 00:52:59.980 --> 00:53:00.640 issue? 6388 00:53:00.670 --> 00:53:01.060 He 6389 00:53:01.060 --> 00:53:01.420 didn't want 6390 00:53:01.420 --> 00:53:01.570 any 6391 00:53:01.570 --> 00:53:02.410 lawsuits. 6392 00:53:03.070 --> 00:53:03.520 The 6393 00:53:03.520 --> 00:53:03.910 whole thing 6394 00:53:03.910 --> 00:53:04.300 was about 6395 00:53:04.300 --> 00:53:04.480 no 6396 00:53:04.480 --> 00:53:05.170 lawsuits. 6397 00:53:05.320 --> 00:53:05.560 No 6398 00:53:05.560 --> 00:53:05.950 lawsuits 6399 00:53:05.950 --> 00:53:06.430 being he didn't 6400 00:53:06.430 --> 00:53:06.700 want the 6401 00:53:06.700 --> 00:53:07.330 government 6402 00:53:07.330 --> 00:53:07.690 being 6403 00:53:07.690 --> 00:53:08.110 sued or he 6404 00:53:08.110 --> 00:53:08.350 didn't 6405 00:53:08.350 --> 00:53:08.820 want anyone being 6406 00:53:08.820 --> 00:53:08.920 able to sue. 6407 00:53:08.920 --> 00:53:09.190 He didn't 6408 00:53:09.190 --> 00:53:09.910 want 6409 00:53:09.910 --> 00:53:10.150 any 6410 00:53:10.150 --> 00:53:10.600 suits. 6411 00:53:10.600 --> 00:53:10.870 They 6412 00:53:10.870 --> 00:53:11.290 didn't want 6413 00:53:11.290 --> 00:53:11.740 anybody 6414 00:53:11.740 --> 00:53:12.220 to have to 6415 00:53:12.220 --> 00:53:12.700 sue, 6416 00:53:12.700 --> 00:53:13.000 to be 6417 00:53:13.000 --> 00:53:13.330 able to 6418 00:53:13.330 --> 00:53:13.600 sue 6419 00:53:13.600 --> 00:53:14.800 manufacturers 6420 00:53:15.160 --> 00:53:15.940 on 6421 00:53:15.940 --> 00:53:16.300 vaccine 6422 00:53:16.300 --> 00:53:16.690 injuries and 6423 00:53:16.690 --> 00:53:17.080 deaths. 6424 00:53:17.080 --> 00:53:17.530 The 6425 00:53:17.530 --> 00:53:17.980 argument 6426 00:53:17.980 --> 00:53:18.310 that was 6427 00:53:18.310 --> 00:53:18.790 made by 6428 00:53:18.790 --> 00:53:18.880 the 6429 00:53:18.880 --> 00:53:19.870 manufacturers 6430 00:53:19.870 --> 00:53:20.260 from the 6431 00:53:20.260 --> 00:53:20.560 very 6432 00:53:20.560 --> 00:53:21.100 beginning 6433 00:53:21.100 --> 00:53:21.850 was, 6434 00:53:22.180 --> 00:53:23.320 look, 6435 00:53:23.440 --> 00:53:23.950 the 6436 00:53:23.950 --> 00:53:24.400 FDA 6437 00:53:24.400 --> 00:53:25.330 licenses 6438 00:53:25.330 --> 00:53:25.510 the 6439 00:53:25.510 --> 00:53:26.260 vaccine 6440 00:53:26.260 --> 00:53:26.680 as safe 6441 00:53:26.680 --> 00:53:26.800 and 6442 00:53:26.800 --> 00:53:27.700 effective. 6443 00:53:27.850 --> 00:53:28.330 The 6444 00:53:28.330 --> 00:53:28.840 CDC 6445 00:53:28.840 --> 00:53:29.410 recommends 6446 00:53:29.410 --> 00:53:29.500 the 6447 00:53:29.500 --> 00:53:30.190 vaccine 6448 00:53:30.190 --> 00:53:30.580 for 6449 00:53:30.580 --> 00:53:31.120 universal 6450 00:53:31.120 --> 00:53:31.600 use by 6451 00:53:31.600 --> 00:53:31.750 all 6452 00:53:31.750 --> 00:53:32.590 children. 6453 00:53:32.680 --> 00:53:33.190 The 6454 00:53:33.190 --> 00:53:33.610 states 6455 00:53:33.610 --> 00:53:34.060 mandate 6456 00:53:34.060 --> 00:53:34.150 the 6457 00:53:34.150 --> 00:53:34.990 vaccine 6458 00:53:34.990 --> 00:53:35.410 for 6459 00:53:35.410 --> 00:53:35.740 school 6460 00:53:35.740 --> 00:53:36.370 entry. 6461 00:53:36.930 --> 00:53:37.350 We 6462 00:53:37.350 --> 00:53:37.800 should not 6463 00:53:37.800 --> 00:53:37.950 be 6464 00:53:37.950 --> 00:53:38.670 liable 6465 00:53:38.670 --> 00:53:39.030 for 6466 00:53:39.030 --> 00:53:39.480 vaccine 6467 00:53:39.480 --> 00:53:39.930 injuries and 6468 00:53:39.930 --> 00:53:40.500 deaths. 6469 00:53:41.200 --> 00:53:41.860 Right. 6470 00:53:41.860 --> 00:53:42.340 And they 6471 00:53:42.340 --> 00:53:42.670 never 6472 00:53:42.670 --> 00:53:43.090 gave that 6473 00:53:43.090 --> 00:53:43.510 up. And 6474 00:53:43.510 --> 00:53:43.930 they never 6475 00:53:43.930 --> 00:53:44.140 have. 6476 00:53:44.170 --> 00:53:44.350 You're 6477 00:53:44.350 --> 00:53:44.770 making 6478 00:53:44.770 --> 00:53:44.980 us 6479 00:53:44.980 --> 00:53:45.430 give it 6480 00:53:45.430 --> 00:53:45.550 to 6481 00:53:45.550 --> 00:53:46.650 everybody, 6482 00:53:46.650 --> 00:53:47.110 you know, 6483 00:53:47.110 --> 00:53:47.440 whether or 6484 00:53:47.440 --> 00:53:47.890 not that would 6485 00:53:47.890 --> 00:53:48.130 be our 6486 00:53:48.130 --> 00:53:48.550 choice or 6487 00:53:48.550 --> 00:53:48.970 not, but 6488 00:53:48.970 --> 00:53:49.240 since 6489 00:53:49.240 --> 00:53:49.690 we have 6490 00:53:49.690 --> 00:53:50.170 to give it to 6491 00:53:50.170 --> 00:53:50.980 everybody, 6492 00:53:50.980 --> 00:53:51.730 and 6493 00:53:51.730 --> 00:53:52.390 quietly, 6494 00:53:52.390 --> 00:53:52.600 there's 6495 00:53:52.600 --> 00:53:52.960 basically 6496 00:53:52.960 --> 00:53:53.200 saying 6497 00:53:53.200 --> 00:53:53.710 everyone's 6498 00:53:53.710 --> 00:53:54.340 different. 6499 00:53:54.340 --> 00:53:54.730 Like, you 6500 00:53:54.730 --> 00:53:54.940 know, 6501 00:53:54.940 --> 00:53:55.240 no 6502 00:53:55.240 --> 00:53:55.600 product 6503 00:53:55.600 --> 00:53:56.080 can be good 6504 00:53:56.080 --> 00:53:56.260 for 6505 00:53:56.260 --> 00:53:56.650 everybody, 6506 00:53:56.650 --> 00:53:57.010 but 6507 00:53:57.010 --> 00:53:57.370 why would 6508 00:53:57.370 --> 00:53:57.700 that be 6509 00:53:57.700 --> 00:53:57.880 our 6510 00:53:57.880 --> 00:53:58.480 problem, 6511 00:53:58.480 --> 00:53:58.900 since 6512 00:53:58.900 --> 00:53:59.200 you're the 6513 00:53:59.200 --> 00:53:59.530 one 6514 00:53:59.530 --> 00:53:59.920 making 6515 00:53:59.920 --> 00:54:00.370 everybody 6516 00:54:00.370 --> 00:54:00.610 get 6517 00:54:00.610 --> 00:54:00.970 it, 6518 00:54:00.970 --> 00:54:01.360 so 6519 00:54:01.360 --> 00:54:01.630 we 6520 00:54:01.630 --> 00:54:02.020 can't be 6521 00:54:02.020 --> 00:54:02.230 held 6522 00:54:02.230 --> 00:54:02.590 liable 6523 00:54:02.620 --> 00:54:03.370 . 6524 00:54:03.370 --> 00:54:03.380 Exactly. 6525 00:54:03.380 --> 00:54:03.610 And the 6526 00:54:03.610 --> 00:54:04.240 administration 6527 00:54:04.240 --> 00:54:04.720 was agreeing 6528 00:54:04.720 --> 00:54:05.140 with that, 6529 00:54:05.140 --> 00:54:05.500 saying they 6530 00:54:05.500 --> 00:54:05.890 shouldn't be 6531 00:54:05.890 --> 00:54:06.070 held 6532 00:54:06.070 --> 00:54:06.430 liable. 6533 00:54:06.430 --> 00:54:06.640 No 6534 00:54:06.640 --> 00:54:07.150 . 6535 00:54:07.150 --> 00:54:07.570 Nobody should be held 6536 00:54:07.570 --> 00:54:08.290 liable. 6537 00:54:08.650 --> 00:54:09.010 Is that the 6538 00:54:09.010 --> 00:54:09.460 argument they were 6539 00:54:09.460 --> 00:54:10.030 making? 6540 00:54:10.030 --> 00:54:10.360 They didn't, 6541 00:54:10.360 --> 00:54:10.750 they did 6542 00:54:10.750 --> 00:54:11.170 not want the 6543 00:54:11.170 --> 00:54:11.800 compensation 6544 00:54:11.800 --> 00:54:12.250 program and 6545 00:54:12.250 --> 00:54:12.730 they did not 6546 00:54:12.730 --> 00:54:13.000 want 6547 00:54:13.000 --> 00:54:13.390 the 6548 00:54:13.390 --> 00:54:14.350 liability. 6549 00:54:14.890 --> 00:54:15.250 No, they 6550 00:54:15.250 --> 00:54:15.580 didn't, they 6551 00:54:15.580 --> 00:54:16.060 didn't want any 6552 00:54:16.060 --> 00:54:16.210 of 6553 00:54:16.210 --> 00:54:16.570 it. 6554 00:54:16.600 --> 00:54:17.440 Okay. 6555 00:54:17.440 --> 00:54:18.250 So 6556 00:54:18.250 --> 00:54:18.670 what 6557 00:54:18.670 --> 00:54:19.480 happened? 6558 00:54:20.200 --> 00:54:20.710 What 6559 00:54:20.710 --> 00:54:21.100 happened 6560 00:54:21.100 --> 00:54:21.610 was 6561 00:54:21.610 --> 00:54:22.090 we had 6562 00:54:22.090 --> 00:54:22.300 this 6563 00:54:22.300 --> 00:54:22.990 bill 6564 00:54:22.990 --> 00:54:23.620 and, 6565 00:54:23.620 --> 00:54:24.100 you know, they didn't 6566 00:54:24.100 --> 00:54:24.490 want to pay 6567 00:54:24.490 --> 00:54:24.880 the older 6568 00:54:24.880 --> 00:54:25.300 children. 6569 00:54:25.300 --> 00:54:25.720 That was a 6570 00:54:25.720 --> 00:54:26.050 sticking 6571 00:54:26.050 --> 00:54:26.470 point for 6572 00:54:26.470 --> 00:54:26.890 us, we 6573 00:54:26.890 --> 00:54:27.280 said 6574 00:54:27.280 --> 00:54:27.670 you 6575 00:54:27.670 --> 00:54:28.570 cannot 6576 00:54:28.570 --> 00:54:29.110 withhold 6577 00:54:29.110 --> 00:54:29.380 federal 6578 00:54:29.380 --> 00:54:30.100 compensation 6579 00:54:30.100 --> 00:54:30.430 . If 6580 00:54:30.430 --> 00:54:30.910 a parent 6581 00:54:30.910 --> 00:54:31.240 wants to 6582 00:54:31.240 --> 00:54:31.720 choose to go 6583 00:54:31.720 --> 00:54:31.840 to 6584 00:54:31.840 --> 00:54:32.530 compensation 6585 00:54:32.530 --> 00:54:33.010 instead of a 6586 00:54:33.010 --> 00:54:33.490 lawsuit. 6587 00:54:33.490 --> 00:54:34.000 Because 6588 00:54:34.000 --> 00:54:34.450 remember 6589 00:54:34.450 --> 00:54:34.690 Del, 6590 00:54:34.720 --> 00:54:35.140 back 6591 00:54:35.140 --> 00:54:36.270 then, 6592 00:54:36.270 --> 00:54:36.750 the 6593 00:54:36.750 --> 00:54:37.230 companies 6594 00:54:37.230 --> 00:54:37.680 had deep 6595 00:54:37.680 --> 00:54:38.670 pockets. 6596 00:54:38.940 --> 00:54:39.270 The 6597 00:54:39.270 --> 00:54:39.660 plaintiff's 6598 00:54:39.660 --> 00:54:40.140 lawyers did 6599 00:54:40.140 --> 00:54:40.700 not, 6600 00:54:40.700 --> 00:54:41.100 and the 6601 00:54:41.100 --> 00:54:41.850 parents, 6602 00:54:41.850 --> 00:54:42.330 and 6603 00:54:42.330 --> 00:54:42.810 what they would 6604 00:54:42.810 --> 00:54:43.200 do is 6605 00:54:43.200 --> 00:54:43.710 drag 6606 00:54:43.710 --> 00:54:44.160 out 6607 00:54:44.160 --> 00:54:44.370 the 6608 00:54:44.370 --> 00:54:45.590 litigation, 6609 00:54:45.590 --> 00:54:46.050 and they 6610 00:54:46.050 --> 00:54:46.530 would on the 6611 00:54:46.530 --> 00:54:47.070 courthouse 6612 00:54:47.070 --> 00:54:47.430 steps 6613 00:54:47.430 --> 00:54:47.820 before 6614 00:54:47.820 --> 00:54:48.300 they would go 6615 00:54:48.300 --> 00:54:48.720 in for a 6616 00:54:48.720 --> 00:54:48.990 jury 6617 00:54:48.990 --> 00:54:49.740 trial, 6618 00:54:49.740 --> 00:54:50.250 they 6619 00:54:50.250 --> 00:54:50.490 would 6620 00:54:50.490 --> 00:54:51.060 settle 6621 00:54:51.060 --> 00:54:51.450 for 6622 00:54:51.450 --> 00:54:51.660 low 6623 00:54:51.660 --> 00:54:52.320 amounts 6624 00:54:52.320 --> 00:54:52.860 because 6625 00:54:52.860 --> 00:54:53.280 the parents 6626 00:54:53.280 --> 00:54:53.700 were so 6627 00:54:53.730 --> 00:54:54.420 tired 6628 00:54:54.420 --> 00:54:54.930 and 6629 00:54:54.930 --> 00:54:55.380 had no 6630 00:54:55.410 --> 00:54:56.510 money, 6631 00:54:56.510 --> 00:54:56.920 and 6632 00:54:56.920 --> 00:54:57.370 they settled 6633 00:54:57.370 --> 00:54:57.700 for low 6634 00:54:57.700 --> 00:54:58.030 amounts, 6635 00:54:58.030 --> 00:54:58.240 and 6636 00:54:58.240 --> 00:54:58.540 they 6637 00:54:58.540 --> 00:54:58.930 sealed 6638 00:54:58.930 --> 00:54:59.320 all the 6639 00:54:59.320 --> 00:54:59.560 court 6640 00:54:59.560 --> 00:54:59.950 records 6641 00:54:59.950 --> 00:55:00.250 so that 6642 00:55:00.250 --> 00:55:00.610 nobody 6643 00:55:00.610 --> 00:55:00.850 could 6644 00:55:00.850 --> 00:55:01.360 see 6645 00:55:01.360 --> 00:55:01.840 what 6646 00:55:01.840 --> 00:55:02.050 had 6647 00:55:02.050 --> 00:55:02.710 happened. 6648 00:55:02.710 --> 00:55:03.130 So there's no 6649 00:55:03.130 --> 00:55:03.640 precedents, 6650 00:55:03.640 --> 00:55:04.120 you weren't able 6651 00:55:04.120 --> 00:55:04.570 to, like, go 6652 00:55:04.570 --> 00:55:05.050 back and 6653 00:55:05.050 --> 00:55:05.200 get 6654 00:55:05.200 --> 00:55:05.560 any 6655 00:55:05.560 --> 00:55:06.070 evidence 6656 00:55:06.070 --> 00:55:06.550 like this has 6657 00:55:06.550 --> 00:55:06.820 happened 6658 00:55:06.820 --> 00:55:07.210 before, 6659 00:55:07.210 --> 00:55:07.600 they kept 6660 00:55:07.600 --> 00:55:08.020 sealing it 6661 00:55:08.020 --> 00:55:08.470 every time there 6662 00:55:08.470 --> 00:55:08.710 was an 6663 00:55:08.710 --> 00:55:09.370 issue. 6664 00:55:09.370 --> 00:55:10.000 Yeah. 6665 00:55:10.000 --> 00:55:10.450 And there were 6666 00:55:10.450 --> 00:55:10.870 a couple 6667 00:55:10.870 --> 00:55:11.410 multi-million 6668 00:55:11.410 --> 00:55:11.740 dollar 6669 00:55:11.740 --> 00:55:12.160 awards 6670 00:55:12.160 --> 00:55:12.520 and jury 6671 00:55:12.520 --> 00:55:13.120 trials, 6672 00:55:13.120 --> 00:55:13.480 where the 6673 00:55:13.480 --> 00:55:13.840 parents 6674 00:55:13.840 --> 00:55:14.170 didn't 6675 00:55:14.170 --> 00:55:14.740 settle, 6676 00:55:15.040 --> 00:55:15.340 but they 6677 00:55:15.340 --> 00:55:15.550 were 6678 00:55:15.550 --> 00:55:16.240 few 6679 00:55:16.240 --> 00:55:16.900 compared 6680 00:55:16.900 --> 00:55:17.050 to 6681 00:55:17.050 --> 00:55:17.530 the 6682 00:55:17.530 --> 00:55:18.100 ones 6683 00:55:18.100 --> 00:55:18.550 that were 6684 00:55:18.550 --> 00:55:18.970 settled on 6685 00:55:18.970 --> 00:55:19.450 the courthouse 6686 00:55:19.450 --> 00:55:19.990 steps. 6687 00:55:19.990 --> 00:55:20.290 Got 6688 00:55:20.290 --> 00:55:20.650 it. 6689 00:55:20.830 --> 00:55:21.730 So 6690 00:55:21.730 --> 00:55:22.120 we 6691 00:55:22.150 --> 00:55:22.420 held a 6692 00:55:22.420 --> 00:55:22.660 press 6693 00:55:22.660 --> 00:55:23.110 conference 6694 00:55:23.110 --> 00:55:23.260 in 6695 00:55:23.260 --> 00:55:24.830 October, 6696 00:55:24.830 --> 00:55:25.230 up on 6697 00:55:25.230 --> 00:55:25.530 Capitol 6698 00:55:25.530 --> 00:55:26.070 Hill, 6699 00:55:26.340 --> 00:55:26.820 and 6700 00:55:26.820 --> 00:55:27.270 we brought a 6701 00:55:27.270 --> 00:55:27.480 little 6702 00:55:27.480 --> 00:55:27.930 girl in 6703 00:55:27.930 --> 00:55:28.290 who was 6704 00:55:28.290 --> 00:55:28.680 vaccine 6705 00:55:28.680 --> 00:55:29.160 injured, but 6706 00:55:29.160 --> 00:55:29.370 she 6707 00:55:29.370 --> 00:55:29.760 was 6708 00:55:29.760 --> 00:55:30.330 MMR 6709 00:55:30.330 --> 00:55:30.900 vaccine 6710 00:55:30.900 --> 00:55:31.710 injured. 6711 00:55:32.220 --> 00:55:32.580 She 6712 00:55:32.580 --> 00:55:32.910 had a 6713 00:55:32.910 --> 00:55:33.240 withered 6714 00:55:33.240 --> 00:55:33.600 arm 6715 00:55:33.600 --> 00:55:33.960 and she 6716 00:55:33.960 --> 00:55:34.230 had 6717 00:55:34.230 --> 00:55:35.610 a 6718 00:55:35.610 --> 00:55:36.210 leg 6719 00:55:36.210 --> 00:55:36.690 that had 6720 00:55:36.690 --> 00:55:36.960 been 6721 00:55:36.960 --> 00:55:37.510 hurt, 6722 00:55:37.510 --> 00:55:37.890 she had 6723 00:55:37.890 --> 00:55:38.190 had 6724 00:55:38.190 --> 00:55:38.880 hemiparesis. 6725 00:55:40.460 --> 00:55:40.850 And 6726 00:55:40.850 --> 00:55:41.030 we're 6727 00:55:41.030 --> 00:55:41.540 in 6728 00:55:41.540 --> 00:55:41.900 Capitol 6729 00:55:41.900 --> 00:55:42.380 Hill, we're 6730 00:55:42.380 --> 00:55:42.530 up 6731 00:55:42.890 --> 00:55:43.430 in 6732 00:55:43.430 --> 00:55:43.700 Capitol 6733 00:55:43.700 --> 00:55:44.060 Hill, 6734 00:55:44.060 --> 00:55:44.510 the press 6735 00:55:44.600 --> 00:55:45.020 conference 6736 00:55:45.020 --> 00:55:45.500 is about 6737 00:55:45.500 --> 00:55:45.860 to take 6738 00:55:45.860 --> 00:55:46.310 place in 6739 00:55:46.310 --> 00:55:46.800 20 6740 00:55:46.800 --> 00:55:47.300 minutes. 6741 00:55:48.130 --> 00:55:48.520 And 6742 00:55:48.520 --> 00:55:48.700 the 6743 00:55:48.700 --> 00:55:49.360 AAP 6744 00:55:49.360 --> 00:55:50.200 realizes 6745 00:55:50.200 --> 00:55:50.720 this 6746 00:55:50.720 --> 00:55:51.160 child 6747 00:55:51.160 --> 00:55:51.580 is not 6748 00:55:51.580 --> 00:55:52.090 DPT 6749 00:55:52.090 --> 00:55:52.570 vaccine 6750 00:55:52.570 --> 00:55:53.490 injured, 6751 00:55:53.490 --> 00:55:53.950 she's 6752 00:55:53.950 --> 00:55:54.400 MMR 6753 00:55:54.400 --> 00:55:54.850 vaccine 6754 00:55:54.850 --> 00:55:55.390 injured. 6755 00:55:56.700 --> 00:55:57.180 And they said 6756 00:55:57.180 --> 00:55:57.750 no. 6757 00:55:58.470 --> 00:55:58.860 You 6758 00:55:58.860 --> 00:55:59.250 can't have 6759 00:55:59.250 --> 00:55:59.400 that 6760 00:55:59.400 --> 00:56:00.030 child 6761 00:56:00.450 --> 00:56:00.810 be in 6762 00:56:00.810 --> 00:56:01.170 this press 6763 00:56:01.170 --> 00:56:01.950 conference. 6764 00:56:03.010 --> 00:56:03.430 And I said 6765 00:56:03.430 --> 00:56:03.820 that 6766 00:56:03.820 --> 00:56:04.270 parent 6767 00:56:04.270 --> 00:56:04.450 has 6768 00:56:04.450 --> 00:56:05.260 paid 6769 00:56:05.260 --> 00:56:05.710 to 6770 00:56:05.710 --> 00:56:06.160 come here 6771 00:56:06.160 --> 00:56:06.520 with her 6772 00:56:06.520 --> 00:56:07.180 child, 6773 00:56:07.180 --> 00:56:07.630 who has 6774 00:56:07.630 --> 00:56:08.050 prepared 6775 00:56:08.050 --> 00:56:08.140 a 6776 00:56:08.140 --> 00:56:08.560 statement, 6777 00:56:08.560 --> 00:56:08.950 an eight year 6778 00:56:08.950 --> 00:56:09.070 old 6779 00:56:09.070 --> 00:56:09.610 girl. 6780 00:56:09.610 --> 00:56:10.030 And 6781 00:56:10.030 --> 00:56:10.330 I said, 6782 00:56:10.330 --> 00:56:10.600 she's 6783 00:56:10.600 --> 00:56:10.900 giving 6784 00:56:10.900 --> 00:56:11.110 that 6785 00:56:11.110 --> 00:56:11.770 statement. 6786 00:56:12.850 --> 00:56:13.210 And 6787 00:56:13.210 --> 00:56:13.360 they 6788 00:56:13.360 --> 00:56:13.720 said 6789 00:56:13.720 --> 00:56:14.590 no. 6790 00:56:14.620 --> 00:56:15.070 I 6791 00:56:15.070 --> 00:56:15.280 said, 6792 00:56:15.280 --> 00:56:15.580 well, 6793 00:56:15.580 --> 00:56:16.030 okay, 6794 00:56:16.030 --> 00:56:16.270 that's 6795 00:56:16.270 --> 00:56:16.990 fine. 6796 00:56:17.020 --> 00:56:17.440 I 6797 00:56:17.440 --> 00:56:17.860 said, I'm 6798 00:56:17.860 --> 00:56:18.280 going to hold a 6799 00:56:18.280 --> 00:56:18.520 press 6800 00:56:18.520 --> 00:56:19.030 conference 6801 00:56:19.030 --> 00:56:19.450 out in the 6802 00:56:19.450 --> 00:56:20.440 hall 6803 00:56:20.440 --> 00:56:21.100 with 6804 00:56:21.100 --> 00:56:21.730 her 6805 00:56:21.730 --> 00:56:22.150 and 6806 00:56:22.150 --> 00:56:22.600 we'll see where 6807 00:56:22.600 --> 00:56:22.930 the press 6808 00:56:22.930 --> 00:56:23.560 goes. 6809 00:56:25.510 --> 00:56:25.840 And they 6810 00:56:25.840 --> 00:56:26.440 said. 6811 00:56:27.900 --> 00:56:28.500 Eventually 6812 00:56:28.500 --> 00:56:28.620 they 6813 00:56:28.620 --> 00:56:29.010 conferred 6814 00:56:29.010 --> 00:56:29.490 and came back 6815 00:56:29.490 --> 00:56:29.760 and said, 6816 00:56:29.760 --> 00:56:30.360 okay. 6817 00:56:31.930 --> 00:56:32.290 Orrin 6818 00:56:32.290 --> 00:56:32.620 Hatch 6819 00:56:32.620 --> 00:56:33.070 stood with 6820 00:56:33.070 --> 00:56:34.200 her, 6821 00:56:34.200 --> 00:56:34.770 and 6822 00:56:34.770 --> 00:56:35.160 that little 6823 00:56:35.160 --> 00:56:35.460 girl 6824 00:56:35.460 --> 00:56:35.760 gave 6825 00:56:35.760 --> 00:56:36.120 them a 6826 00:56:36.120 --> 00:56:36.360 most 6827 00:56:36.360 --> 00:56:36.810 amazing 6828 00:56:36.810 --> 00:56:37.530 statement. 6829 00:56:38.450 --> 00:56:38.930 And 6830 00:56:38.930 --> 00:56:39.350 when she 6831 00:56:39.350 --> 00:56:39.590 was 6832 00:56:39.590 --> 00:56:40.010 finished, 6833 00:56:40.010 --> 00:56:40.280 she 6834 00:56:40.280 --> 00:56:40.760 turned and 6835 00:56:40.760 --> 00:56:40.940 she 6836 00:56:40.940 --> 00:56:41.330 hugged 6837 00:56:41.330 --> 00:56:41.690 Orrin 6838 00:56:41.690 --> 00:56:42.410 Hatch. 6839 00:56:42.680 --> 00:56:43.220 And 6840 00:56:43.220 --> 00:56:43.340 the 6841 00:56:43.340 --> 00:56:43.730 picture 6842 00:56:43.730 --> 00:56:44.060 that went 6843 00:56:44.060 --> 00:56:44.540 around the 6844 00:56:44.540 --> 00:56:45.380 world 6845 00:56:45.380 --> 00:56:45.920 was 6846 00:56:45.920 --> 00:56:46.190 Orrin 6847 00:56:46.190 --> 00:56:46.640 Hatch 6848 00:56:46.640 --> 00:56:47.060 with this 6849 00:56:47.060 --> 00:56:47.300 little 6850 00:56:47.300 --> 00:56:47.990 girl, 6851 00:56:48.350 --> 00:56:48.620 with 6852 00:56:48.620 --> 00:56:49.310 Stacy. 6853 00:56:49.940 --> 00:56:51.730 And 6854 00:56:51.730 --> 00:56:52.450 we 6855 00:56:52.450 --> 00:56:52.870 thought that 6856 00:56:52.870 --> 00:56:52.960 the 6857 00:56:52.960 --> 00:56:53.590 administration 6858 00:56:53.590 --> 00:56:54.010 was going to 6859 00:56:54.010 --> 00:56:54.310 drop 6860 00:56:54.310 --> 00:56:54.850 their 6861 00:56:54.850 --> 00:56:55.750 objection. 6862 00:56:56.080 --> 00:56:56.560 By 6863 00:56:56.560 --> 00:56:56.740 this 6864 00:56:56.740 --> 00:56:57.100 point, 6865 00:56:57.100 --> 00:56:57.430 Strom 6866 00:56:57.430 --> 00:56:58.030 Thurmond 6867 00:56:58.030 --> 00:56:58.450 and 6868 00:56:58.450 --> 00:56:58.780 Robert 6869 00:56:58.780 --> 00:56:59.140 Dole had 6870 00:56:59.140 --> 00:56:59.320 gotten 6871 00:56:59.320 --> 00:56:59.890 involved 6872 00:56:59.890 --> 00:57:00.430 opposing 6873 00:57:00.430 --> 00:57:00.960 it, 6874 00:57:00.960 --> 00:57:01.690 joining 6875 00:57:01.690 --> 00:57:01.840 Ed 6876 00:57:01.840 --> 00:57:03.160 Meese 6877 00:57:03.160 --> 00:57:03.730 and 6878 00:57:03.730 --> 00:57:05.460 Reagan, 6879 00:57:05.460 --> 00:57:06.030 and 6880 00:57:06.030 --> 00:57:06.510 they still 6881 00:57:06.510 --> 00:57:06.900 wouldn't drop 6882 00:57:06.900 --> 00:57:07.020 their 6883 00:57:07.020 --> 00:57:07.860 opposition. 6884 00:57:08.250 --> 00:57:08.940 So 6885 00:57:08.940 --> 00:57:09.390 after the 6886 00:57:09.390 --> 00:57:09.660 press 6887 00:57:09.660 --> 00:57:10.200 conference, 6888 00:57:10.200 --> 00:57:10.620 we held a 6889 00:57:10.620 --> 00:57:11.040 candlelight 6890 00:57:11.040 --> 00:57:11.670 vigil 6891 00:57:11.670 --> 00:57:12.150 in front of 6892 00:57:12.150 --> 00:57:12.390 the white 6893 00:57:12.390 --> 00:57:13.140 House. 6894 00:57:13.170 --> 00:57:13.620 I mean, 6895 00:57:13.620 --> 00:57:14.010 back 6896 00:57:14.010 --> 00:57:14.490 then, you could 6897 00:57:14.490 --> 00:57:14.910 go right in 6898 00:57:14.910 --> 00:57:15.390 front of the white 6899 00:57:15.390 --> 00:57:15.750 House and 6900 00:57:15.750 --> 00:57:16.470 demonstrate. 6901 00:57:16.470 --> 00:57:17.820 And 6902 00:57:18.060 --> 00:57:18.750 Dole 6903 00:57:18.750 --> 00:57:19.170 and 6904 00:57:19.170 --> 00:57:19.500 and 6905 00:57:19.500 --> 00:57:20.220 Thurman 6906 00:57:20.220 --> 00:57:20.760 dropped 6907 00:57:20.760 --> 00:57:21.210 away. 6908 00:57:21.210 --> 00:57:21.600 They 6909 00:57:21.600 --> 00:57:21.780 said, 6910 00:57:21.780 --> 00:57:22.350 okay. 6911 00:57:23.660 --> 00:57:23.960 Ed 6912 00:57:23.960 --> 00:57:24.410 Meese would 6913 00:57:24.410 --> 00:57:25.000 not, 6914 00:57:25.000 --> 00:57:25.490 would 6915 00:57:25.490 --> 00:57:26.210 not. 6916 00:57:27.270 --> 00:57:28.620 And 6917 00:57:29.470 --> 00:57:31.150 Merck 6918 00:57:31.150 --> 00:57:32.110 came 6919 00:57:32.110 --> 00:57:32.680 in 6920 00:57:32.680 --> 00:57:33.130 about 6921 00:57:33.130 --> 00:57:33.490 72 6922 00:57:33.490 --> 00:57:33.850 hours 6923 00:57:33.850 --> 00:57:34.330 before 6924 00:57:34.330 --> 00:57:34.750 and talked 6925 00:57:34.750 --> 00:57:35.140 to 6926 00:57:35.140 --> 00:57:35.860 Meese 6927 00:57:35.860 --> 00:57:36.370 and 6928 00:57:36.370 --> 00:57:36.910 said, 6929 00:57:37.620 --> 00:57:38.070 I don't 6930 00:57:38.070 --> 00:57:38.520 know what they 6931 00:57:38.520 --> 00:57:38.850 said, 6932 00:57:38.850 --> 00:57:39.240 I only 6933 00:57:39.240 --> 00:57:39.450 know 6934 00:57:39.450 --> 00:57:39.870 that 6935 00:57:39.870 --> 00:57:40.200 Meese 6936 00:57:40.200 --> 00:57:40.590 dropped his 6937 00:57:40.590 --> 00:57:41.580 opposition. 6938 00:57:41.760 --> 00:57:42.210 And 6939 00:57:42.210 --> 00:57:42.330 in 6940 00:57:42.330 --> 00:57:42.870 retrospect, 6941 00:57:42.870 --> 00:57:43.140 what I 6942 00:57:43.140 --> 00:57:44.740 believe 6943 00:57:44.740 --> 00:57:45.100 is 6944 00:57:45.100 --> 00:57:45.460 that they 6945 00:57:45.460 --> 00:57:46.030 said, 6946 00:57:46.030 --> 00:57:46.360 don't 6947 00:57:46.360 --> 00:57:46.540 worry 6948 00:57:46.540 --> 00:57:46.870 about 6949 00:57:46.870 --> 00:57:47.320 it. 6950 00:57:48.140 --> 00:57:48.560 Don't 6951 00:57:48.560 --> 00:57:48.950 worry about 6952 00:57:48.950 --> 00:57:49.250 it, we'll 6953 00:57:49.250 --> 00:57:49.580 fix it 6954 00:57:49.580 --> 00:57:49.910 after 6955 00:57:49.910 --> 00:57:50.150 it's 6956 00:57:50.150 --> 00:57:50.810 past. 6957 00:57:51.620 --> 00:57:51.950 And 6958 00:57:51.950 --> 00:57:52.130 that's 6959 00:57:52.130 --> 00:57:52.520 exactly 6960 00:57:52.520 --> 00:57:52.790 what they 6961 00:57:52.790 --> 00:57:53.300 did. 6962 00:57:53.760 --> 00:57:55.050 So 6963 00:57:55.140 --> 00:57:56.040 sometimes, 6964 00:57:56.040 --> 00:57:56.370 you know, 6965 00:57:56.370 --> 00:57:56.850 there's all 6966 00:57:56.850 --> 00:57:57.240 sorts 6967 00:57:57.240 --> 00:57:57.690 of myths 6968 00:57:57.690 --> 00:57:58.170 and rumors 6969 00:57:58.170 --> 00:57:58.410 about 6970 00:57:58.410 --> 00:57:58.680 what 6971 00:57:58.680 --> 00:57:59.070 happened in 6972 00:57:59.100 --> 00:57:59.250 that 6973 00:57:59.250 --> 00:57:59.700 moment, 6974 00:57:59.700 --> 00:58:00.120 and people 6975 00:58:00.120 --> 00:58:00.270 will 6976 00:58:00.270 --> 00:58:00.930 say, 6977 00:58:00.930 --> 00:58:01.380 you know, 6978 00:58:01.380 --> 00:58:01.770 Barbara 6979 00:58:01.770 --> 00:58:01.980 Loe 6980 00:58:01.980 --> 00:58:02.430 Fisher 6981 00:58:02.430 --> 00:58:02.730 was 6982 00:58:02.730 --> 00:58:03.420 actually 6983 00:58:03.420 --> 00:58:03.780 in 6984 00:58:03.780 --> 00:58:04.260 there 6985 00:58:04.260 --> 00:58:04.890 fighting 6986 00:58:04.920 --> 00:58:05.220 to get 6987 00:58:05.220 --> 00:58:05.490 this 6988 00:58:05.490 --> 00:58:06.420 passed 6989 00:58:06.420 --> 00:58:07.230 when 6990 00:58:07.230 --> 00:58:07.350 the 6991 00:58:07.350 --> 00:58:07.920 government 6992 00:58:07.920 --> 00:58:08.340 didn't 6993 00:58:08.340 --> 00:58:08.760 want it, 6994 00:58:08.760 --> 00:58:08.970 as 6995 00:58:08.970 --> 00:58:09.750 though, 6996 00:58:09.750 --> 00:58:10.140 you 6997 00:58:10.140 --> 00:58:10.410 know, 6998 00:58:10.410 --> 00:58:10.860 you were 6999 00:58:10.860 --> 00:58:11.340 a part 7000 00:58:11.340 --> 00:58:11.490 of 7001 00:58:11.490 --> 00:58:12.180 this 7002 00:58:12.180 --> 00:58:12.690 push 7003 00:58:12.690 --> 00:58:13.470 to, 7004 00:58:13.470 --> 00:58:13.740 you know, 7005 00:58:13.740 --> 00:58:14.010 what 7006 00:58:14.010 --> 00:58:14.550 ultimately, 7007 00:58:14.550 --> 00:58:14.880 what we 7008 00:58:14.910 --> 00:58:15.390 now know 7009 00:58:15.390 --> 00:58:15.690 was 7010 00:58:15.690 --> 00:58:16.110 total 7011 00:58:16.110 --> 00:58:16.620 liability 7012 00:58:16.620 --> 00:58:17.280 protection 7013 00:58:17.280 --> 00:58:17.730 . 7014 00:58:17.730 --> 00:58:17.740 Okay. 7015 00:58:17.740 --> 00:58:18.570 So 7016 00:58:20.490 --> 00:58:21.030 first 7017 00:58:21.030 --> 00:58:21.150 of 7018 00:58:21.150 --> 00:58:21.780 all, 7019 00:58:21.780 --> 00:58:22.530 nobody 7020 00:58:22.530 --> 00:58:22.740 was 7021 00:58:22.740 --> 00:58:23.040 back 7022 00:58:23.040 --> 00:58:23.280 there 7023 00:58:23.280 --> 00:58:23.730 then, they 7024 00:58:23.730 --> 00:58:24.030 don't 7025 00:58:24.030 --> 00:58:24.750 understand 7026 00:58:24.750 --> 00:58:25.050 what the 7027 00:58:25.050 --> 00:58:25.650 situation 7028 00:58:25.650 --> 00:58:25.980 was. 7029 00:58:25.980 --> 00:58:26.470 True. That's why we're 7030 00:58:26.470 --> 00:58:26.850 here right 7031 00:58:26.850 --> 00:58:27.330 now, I really, 7032 00:58:27.330 --> 00:58:27.540 I want. 7033 00:58:27.870 --> 00:58:28.050 Yeah. 7034 00:58:28.050 --> 00:58:28.380 Okay. They don't 7035 00:58:28.380 --> 00:58:28.770 understand 7036 00:58:28.770 --> 00:58:29.040 what the 7037 00:58:29.040 --> 00:58:29.640 situation 7038 00:58:29.640 --> 00:58:30.090 was back 7039 00:58:30.090 --> 00:58:30.420 then. 7040 00:58:30.420 --> 00:58:31.740 Remember, 7041 00:58:31.740 --> 00:58:32.130 we 7042 00:58:32.130 --> 00:58:32.370 had 7043 00:58:32.370 --> 00:58:32.850 no way 7044 00:58:32.850 --> 00:58:32.940 to 7045 00:58:32.940 --> 00:58:33.510 communicate 7046 00:58:33.510 --> 00:58:33.780 with the 7047 00:58:33.780 --> 00:58:34.530 public. 7048 00:58:35.420 --> 00:58:35.840 We 7049 00:58:35.840 --> 00:58:36.080 had 7050 00:58:36.080 --> 00:58:36.590 radio, 7051 00:58:36.590 --> 00:58:37.340 television, 7052 00:58:37.340 --> 00:58:38.000 magazines, 7053 00:58:38.000 --> 00:58:38.720 books, 7054 00:58:38.720 --> 00:58:39.140 and 7055 00:58:39.140 --> 00:58:39.560 the snail 7056 00:58:39.560 --> 00:58:39.950 mail, 7057 00:58:39.950 --> 00:58:40.190 and 7058 00:58:40.190 --> 00:58:41.030 telephone. 7059 00:58:41.780 --> 00:58:42.230 We were 7060 00:58:42.230 --> 00:58:42.740 asked 7061 00:58:42.740 --> 00:58:43.010 to 7062 00:58:43.010 --> 00:58:43.280 either 7063 00:58:43.280 --> 00:58:43.820 participate 7064 00:58:43.820 --> 00:58:44.120 or not 7065 00:58:44.120 --> 00:58:44.990 participate. 7066 00:58:45.520 --> 00:58:46.000 We 7067 00:58:46.000 --> 00:58:46.420 told them 7068 00:58:46.420 --> 00:58:46.720 what our 7069 00:58:46.720 --> 00:58:47.290 criteria 7070 00:58:47.290 --> 00:58:47.680 was for 7071 00:58:47.680 --> 00:58:48.760 participation. 7072 00:58:49.090 --> 00:58:49.570 We 7073 00:58:49.570 --> 00:58:50.380 fought 7074 00:58:50.380 --> 00:58:50.890 through 7075 00:58:50.890 --> 00:58:51.160 to the 7076 00:58:51.160 --> 00:58:51.460 end 7077 00:58:51.460 --> 00:58:51.730 and 7078 00:58:51.730 --> 00:58:51.970 we 7079 00:58:51.970 --> 00:58:52.930 got 7080 00:58:53.080 --> 00:58:53.560 in 7081 00:58:53.560 --> 00:58:54.040 the only 7082 00:58:54.040 --> 00:58:54.580 law 7083 00:58:54.580 --> 00:58:54.850 in 7084 00:58:54.850 --> 00:58:55.090 this 7085 00:58:55.090 --> 00:58:56.340 country 7086 00:58:56.340 --> 00:58:56.890 that 7087 00:58:56.890 --> 00:58:57.730 acknowledges 7088 00:58:57.730 --> 00:58:57.970 that 7089 00:58:57.970 --> 00:58:58.510 vaccine 7090 00:58:58.510 --> 00:58:58.990 injuries and 7091 00:58:58.990 --> 00:58:59.440 deaths are 7092 00:58:59.440 --> 00:58:59.950 real. 7093 00:59:01.280 --> 00:59:01.790 And 7094 00:59:01.790 --> 00:59:01.940 that 7095 00:59:01.940 --> 00:59:02.390 vaccine 7096 00:59:02.390 --> 00:59:02.750 safety 7097 00:59:02.750 --> 00:59:03.230 should be a 7098 00:59:03.230 --> 00:59:03.680 national 7099 00:59:03.680 --> 00:59:04.580 priority. 7100 00:59:05.070 --> 00:59:05.550 The 7101 00:59:05.550 --> 00:59:05.850 only 7102 00:59:06.060 --> 00:59:06.360 law 7103 00:59:06.360 --> 00:59:06.600 that 7104 00:59:06.600 --> 00:59:06.900 says 7105 00:59:06.900 --> 00:59:07.440 that. 7106 00:59:07.950 --> 00:59:08.400 And 7107 00:59:08.400 --> 00:59:08.820 we got 7108 00:59:08.820 --> 00:59:09.210 most of 7109 00:59:09.210 --> 00:59:09.510 what we 7110 00:59:09.510 --> 00:59:10.140 wanted. 7111 00:59:12.200 --> 00:59:12.650 When 7112 00:59:12.650 --> 00:59:13.010 that law 7113 00:59:13.010 --> 00:59:13.220 was 7114 00:59:13.220 --> 00:59:14.680 passed, 7115 00:59:14.680 --> 00:59:15.160 the 7116 00:59:15.160 --> 00:59:15.610 companies 7117 00:59:15.610 --> 00:59:15.820 were 7118 00:59:15.820 --> 00:59:16.180 still 7119 00:59:16.180 --> 00:59:16.510 on the 7120 00:59:16.510 --> 00:59:16.960 hook for 7121 00:59:16.960 --> 00:59:17.320 design 7122 00:59:17.320 --> 00:59:18.040 defect. 7123 00:59:18.700 --> 00:59:19.150 When 7124 00:59:19.150 --> 00:59:19.540 that law 7125 00:59:19.540 --> 00:59:19.750 was 7126 00:59:19.750 --> 00:59:20.170 passed, 7127 00:59:20.170 --> 00:59:20.410 the 7128 00:59:20.800 --> 00:59:21.400 doctors 7129 00:59:21.400 --> 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01:10:57.680 --> 01:10:58.520 just 8570 01:10:58.520 --> 01:10:59.030 have 8571 01:10:59.030 --> 01:10:59.210 their 8572 01:10:59.210 --> 01:10:59.630 way. 8573 01:10:59.630 --> 01:11:00.020 And he thought 8574 01:11:00.020 --> 01:11:00.200 that 8575 01:11:00.200 --> 01:11:00.620 compensation 8576 01:11:00.620 --> 01:11:00.830 program 8577 01:11:01.070 --> 01:11:01.400 would be too 8578 01:11:01.400 --> 01:11:02.270 expensive. 8579 01:11:05.060 --> 01:11:05.450 So many 8580 01:11:05.450 --> 01:11:05.900 people have 8581 01:11:05.900 --> 01:11:06.290 said that 8582 01:11:06.290 --> 01:11:06.500 that 8583 01:11:06.500 --> 01:11:07.220 law 8584 01:11:07.370 --> 01:11:08.360 eliminated 8585 01:11:08.360 --> 01:11:09.500 liability. 8586 01:11:10.700 --> 01:11:11.240 Well, 8587 01:11:11.240 --> 01:11:11.690 all you have 8588 01:11:11.690 --> 01:11:12.170 to do is look 8589 01:11:12.170 --> 01:11:12.320 at the 8590 01:11:12.320 --> 01:11:13.340 1987 8591 01:11:13.340 --> 01:11:14.240 hearings 8592 01:11:14.240 --> 01:11:14.510 on 8593 01:11:14.510 --> 01:11:14.840 Capitol 8594 01:11:14.840 --> 01:11:15.140 Hill 8595 01:11:15.140 --> 01:11:15.590 after that 8596 01:11:15.590 --> 01:11:16.070 law, because 8597 01:11:16.070 --> 01:11:16.550 as soon as it 8598 01:11:16.550 --> 01:11:16.670 was 8599 01:11:16.670 --> 01:11:17.540 passed, 8600 01:11:17.540 --> 01:11:17.930 the 8601 01:11:17.930 --> 01:11:18.680 manufacturers 8602 01:11:18.680 --> 01:11:18.800 are 8603 01:11:18.800 --> 01:11:19.550 screaming, 8604 01:11:19.550 --> 01:11:19.910 the 8605 01:11:19.910 --> 01:11:20.300 doctors 8606 01:11:20.300 --> 01:11:20.450 are 8607 01:11:20.450 --> 01:11:21.000 screaming, 8608 01:11:21.000 --> 01:11:21.350 you did 8609 01:11:21.350 --> 01:11:21.620 not 8610 01:11:21.620 --> 01:11:22.040 protect 8611 01:11:22.040 --> 01:11:22.400 us from 8612 01:11:22.400 --> 01:11:23.270 liability. 8613 01:11:23.270 --> 01:11:23.630 We 8614 01:11:23.630 --> 01:11:23.870 had 8615 01:11:23.870 --> 01:11:25.040 testimony 8616 01:11:25.040 --> 01:11:25.580 on 8617 01:11:25.580 --> 01:11:26.060 behalf of 8618 01:11:26.060 --> 01:11:26.150 the 8619 01:11:26.150 --> 01:11:27.320 administration 8620 01:11:27.320 --> 01:11:28.040 by 8621 01:11:28.040 --> 01:11:28.640 the 8622 01:11:28.640 --> 01:11:29.840 Department 8623 01:11:29.840 --> 01:11:29.930 of 8624 01:11:29.930 --> 01:11:30.800 Treasury, 8625 01:11:31.190 --> 01:11:31.910 where 8626 01:11:31.910 --> 01:11:32.480 the 8627 01:11:32.480 --> 01:11:32.900 guy 8628 01:11:32.900 --> 01:11:33.260 gets 8629 01:11:33.260 --> 01:11:33.620 up there 8630 01:11:33.620 --> 01:11:34.070 and talks 8631 01:11:34.070 --> 01:11:34.790 about 8632 01:11:34.790 --> 01:11:35.750 how, 8633 01:11:35.750 --> 01:11:35.990 you 8634 01:11:35.990 --> 01:11:36.710 know, 8635 01:11:37.130 --> 01:11:37.640 there's 8636 01:11:37.640 --> 01:11:37.910 still 8637 01:11:37.910 --> 01:11:38.330 design 8638 01:11:38.330 --> 01:11:39.360 defect 8639 01:11:39.360 --> 01:11:40.640 liability. 8640 01:11:40.670 --> 01:11:41.090 This 8641 01:11:41.090 --> 01:11:41.480 was in 8642 01:11:41.480 --> 01:11:41.820 March 8643 01:11:41.820 --> 01:11:42.170 5th, 8644 01:11:42.170 --> 01:11:43.550 1987, 8645 01:11:43.850 --> 01:11:44.330 in 8646 01:11:44.330 --> 01:11:44.720 the House 8647 01:11:44.720 --> 01:11:45.080 Select 8648 01:11:45.080 --> 01:11:45.590 Review 8649 01:11:45.590 --> 01:11:46.130 measure 8650 01:11:46.130 --> 01:11:46.910 subcommittee, 8651 01:11:46.910 --> 01:11:47.330 committee 8652 01:11:47.330 --> 01:11:47.720 of Ways 8653 01:11:47.720 --> 01:11:47.840 and 8654 01:11:47.840 --> 01:11:48.680 Means. 8655 01:11:48.680 --> 01:11:49.340 Not 8656 01:11:49.340 --> 01:11:49.760 happy, 8657 01:11:49.760 --> 01:11:50.240 they are not 8658 01:11:50.240 --> 01:11:50.990 happy. 8659 01:11:51.020 --> 01:11:51.530 He 8660 01:11:51.530 --> 01:11:52.580 says, 8661 01:11:52.580 --> 01:11:52.880 "A 8662 01:11:52.880 --> 01:11:53.360 showing by 8663 01:11:53.360 --> 01:11:53.480 the 8664 01:11:53.480 --> 01:11:54.200 manufacturer 8665 01:11:54.200 --> 01:11:54.650 that it had 8666 01:11:54.650 --> 01:11:55.160 complied 8667 01:11:55.160 --> 01:11:55.400 with 8668 01:11:55.400 --> 01:11:55.670 all 8669 01:11:55.670 --> 01:11:56.420 material 8670 01:11:56.420 --> 01:11:56.900 Federal 8671 01:11:56.900 --> 01:11:57.440 regulatory 8672 01:11:57.440 --> 01:11:58.130 requirements 8673 01:11:58.130 --> 01:11:58.490 would give 8674 01:11:58.490 --> 01:11:58.820 rise 8675 01:11:58.820 --> 01:11:59.120 to a 8676 01:11:59.120 --> 01:11:59.630 rebuttable 8677 01:11:59.630 --> 01:12:00.350 presumption 8678 01:12:00.350 --> 01:12:00.770 that the 8679 01:12:00.770 --> 01:12:01.250 vaccine 8680 01:12:01.250 --> 01:12:01.430 was 8681 01:12:01.430 --> 01:12:01.820 accompanied 8682 01:12:01.820 --> 01:12:02.060 by 8683 01:12:02.060 --> 01:12:02.450 proper 8684 01:12:02.450 --> 01:12:03.080 warnings 8685 01:12:03.080 --> 01:12:03.560 (but 8686 01:12:03.560 --> 01:12:03.860 would 8687 01:12:03.860 --> 01:12:04.250 not 8688 01:12:04.250 --> 01:12:04.520 give 8689 01:12:04.520 --> 01:12:05.210 rise 8690 01:12:05.210 --> 01:12:05.600 to 8691 01:12:05.600 --> 01:12:05.720 a 8692 01:12:05.720 --> 01:12:06.530 presumption 8693 01:12:06.530 --> 01:12:07.010 that the 8694 01:12:07.010 --> 01:12:07.880 vaccine 8695 01:12:07.880 --> 01:12:08.300 was 8696 01:12:08.300 --> 01:12:08.630 not 8697 01:12:08.630 --> 01:12:09.560 defective 8698 01:12:09.560 --> 01:12:09.920 in 8699 01:12:09.920 --> 01:12:10.820 design)." 8700 01:12:11.420 --> 01:12:11.780 They 8701 01:12:11.780 --> 01:12:12.110 knew it 8702 01:12:12.110 --> 01:12:12.590 didn't, that 8703 01:12:12.590 --> 01:12:13.010 law did 8704 01:12:13.010 --> 01:12:13.250 not 8705 01:12:13.490 --> 01:12:14.210 protect 8706 01:12:14.210 --> 01:12:14.630 design 8707 01:12:14.630 --> 01:12:15.280 defect 8708 01:12:15.280 --> 01:12:15.920 lawsuits 8709 01:12:16.340 --> 01:12:16.590 . 8710 01:12:16.590 --> 01:12:17.590 Cannot. 8711 01:12:17.590 --> 01:12:17.960 "Of 8712 01:12:17.960 --> 01:12:18.530 particular 8713 01:12:18.530 --> 01:12:19.040 concern 8714 01:12:19.040 --> 01:12:19.280 are 8715 01:12:19.280 --> 01:12:19.850 so-called 8716 01:12:19.850 --> 01:12:20.300 'design 8717 01:12:20.300 --> 01:12:20.750 defect' 8718 01:12:20.750 --> 01:12:21.590 cases. 8719 01:12:21.590 --> 01:12:22.250 Without 8720 01:12:22.250 --> 01:12:22.340 a 8721 01:12:22.340 --> 01:12:22.760 government 8722 01:12:22.760 --> 01:12:23.120 standards 8723 01:12:23.120 --> 01:12:23.600 defense in 8724 01:12:23.600 --> 01:12:23.780 this 8725 01:12:23.780 --> 01:12:24.260 area, it 8726 01:12:24.260 --> 01:12:24.440 is 8727 01:12:24.440 --> 01:12:24.890 possible 8728 01:12:24.890 --> 01:12:25.190 that a 8729 01:12:25.190 --> 01:12:25.850 devastating 8730 01:12:25.850 --> 01:12:26.300 number of 8731 01:12:26.300 --> 01:12:26.930 claims 8732 01:12:26.930 --> 01:12:27.440 could 8733 01:12:27.440 --> 01:12:27.590 be 8734 01:12:27.590 --> 01:12:28.040 brought 8735 01:12:28.040 --> 01:12:28.460 against 8736 01:12:28.460 --> 01:12:28.730 US 8737 01:12:28.730 --> 01:12:29.780 manufacturers 8738 01:12:29.780 --> 01:12:30.140 on the 8739 01:12:30.140 --> 01:12:30.560 grounds 8740 01:12:30.560 --> 01:12:30.890 that there 8741 01:12:30.890 --> 01:12:31.070 are 8742 01:12:31.070 --> 01:12:31.430 other 8743 01:12:31.430 --> 01:12:31.820 safer, 8744 01:12:31.820 --> 01:12:32.300 better 8745 01:12:32.300 --> 01:12:32.660 or 8746 01:12:32.840 --> 01:12:33.380 more 8747 01:12:33.380 --> 01:12:34.190 technologically 8748 01:12:34.190 --> 01:12:34.700 advanced 8749 01:12:34.700 --> 01:12:35.240 DPT 8750 01:12:35.240 --> 01:12:35.500 vaccines 8751 01:12:35.500 --> 01:12:35.780 available." 8752 01:12:35.780 --> 01:12:36.040 So they didn't 8753 01:12:36.050 --> 01:12:36.350 even 8754 01:12:36.350 --> 01:12:36.680 want 8755 01:12:36.680 --> 01:12:37.670 competition? 8756 01:12:37.670 --> 01:12:38.090 I mean, that 8757 01:12:38.090 --> 01:12:38.510 right there, they're 8758 01:12:38.510 --> 01:12:38.930 saying we don't 8759 01:12:38.930 --> 01:12:39.410 even want to 8760 01:12:39.410 --> 01:12:39.710 have to 8761 01:12:39.710 --> 01:12:40.310 compete. 8762 01:12:40.310 --> 01:12:40.760 If you don't 8763 01:12:40.760 --> 01:12:41.270 protect, 8764 01:12:41.270 --> 01:12:41.360 you 8765 01:12:41.360 --> 01:12:41.780 know, 8766 01:12:41.780 --> 01:12:42.140 you're 8767 01:12:42.140 --> 01:12:42.530 forcing 8768 01:12:42.530 --> 01:12:42.950 us to have to 8769 01:12:42.950 --> 01:12:43.370 compete with 8770 01:12:43.370 --> 01:12:43.730 a better 8771 01:12:43.730 --> 01:12:44.630 product. 8772 01:12:45.800 --> 01:12:46.280 So two 8773 01:12:46.280 --> 01:12:46.640 market 8774 01:12:46.640 --> 01:12:47.060 forces 8775 01:12:47.060 --> 01:12:47.180 are 8776 01:12:47.180 --> 01:12:47.680 removed, 8777 01:12:47.680 --> 01:12:47.780 if 8778 01:12:47.780 --> 01:12:48.360 they, 8779 01:12:48.360 --> 01:12:48.680 if you 8780 01:12:48.680 --> 01:12:48.950 take 8781 01:12:48.950 --> 01:12:49.280 away, 8782 01:12:49.490 --> 01:12:49.880 you know, 8783 01:12:49.880 --> 01:12:50.960 liability, 8784 01:12:50.960 --> 01:12:51.320 and then 8785 01:12:51.320 --> 01:12:51.650 you take 8786 01:12:51.650 --> 01:12:51.890 away 8787 01:12:51.890 --> 01:12:53.210 competition, 8788 01:12:53.210 --> 01:12:53.750 right? 8789 01:12:53.750 --> 01:12:54.110 I mean, they're 8790 01:12:54.110 --> 01:12:54.560 saying we don't 8791 01:12:54.560 --> 01:12:54.920 want to have to 8792 01:12:54.920 --> 01:12:55.370 compete with a 8793 01:12:55.370 --> 01:12:55.580 better 8794 01:12:55.580 --> 01:12:56.030 product. 8795 01:12:56.030 --> 01:12:56.360 How 8796 01:12:56.360 --> 01:12:56.840 could the 8797 01:12:56.840 --> 01:12:57.230 US 8798 01:12:57.230 --> 01:12:57.680 Supreme 8799 01:12:57.680 --> 01:12:58.580 Court, 8800 01:12:58.910 --> 01:12:59.360 how 8801 01:12:59.360 --> 01:12:59.690 could the 8802 01:12:59.690 --> 01:13:00.410 majority 8803 01:13:00.410 --> 01:13:00.800 of the 8804 01:13:00.800 --> 01:13:01.160 US 8805 01:13:01.160 --> 01:13:01.670 Supreme 8806 01:13:01.670 --> 01:13:02.600 Court 8807 01:13:02.750 --> 01:13:03.590 ignore 8808 01:13:03.590 --> 01:13:03.710 the 8809 01:13:03.710 --> 01:13:04.430 legislative 8810 01:13:04.430 --> 01:13:04.940 history 8811 01:13:04.940 --> 01:13:05.120 of 8812 01:13:05.120 --> 01:13:05.450 this 8813 01:13:05.450 --> 01:13:06.230 law, 8814 01:13:06.230 --> 01:13:06.860 and 8815 01:13:06.860 --> 01:13:07.340 say in 8816 01:13:07.340 --> 01:13:08.480 2011 8817 01:13:09.050 --> 01:13:09.560 that 8818 01:13:09.560 --> 01:13:10.220 Congress 8819 01:13:10.220 --> 01:13:10.580 meant 8820 01:13:10.580 --> 01:13:11.060 to give 8821 01:13:11.060 --> 01:13:11.180 the 8822 01:13:11.180 --> 01:13:11.780 companies 8823 01:13:11.780 --> 01:13:12.320 design 8824 01:13:12.320 --> 01:13:12.860 defect 8825 01:13:12.860 --> 01:13:13.760 protection? 8826 01:13:13.760 --> 01:13:14.120 The 8827 01:13:14.120 --> 01:13:14.600 history 8828 01:13:14.600 --> 01:13:14.900 of the 8829 01:13:14.900 --> 01:13:15.200 law 8830 01:13:15.200 --> 01:13:15.590 shows 8831 01:13:15.590 --> 01:13:15.890 that 8832 01:13:15.890 --> 01:13:16.130 is 8833 01:13:16.130 --> 01:13:16.580 not 8834 01:13:16.580 --> 01:13:17.510 true. 8835 01:13:17.810 --> 01:13:18.350 That 8836 01:13:18.350 --> 01:13:18.770 was a 8837 01:13:18.770 --> 01:13:19.550 tragic 8838 01:13:19.550 --> 01:13:20.360 miscarriage 8839 01:13:20.360 --> 01:13:20.480 of 8840 01:13:20.480 --> 01:13:20.960 justice 8841 01:13:20.960 --> 01:13:21.110 . 8842 01:13:21.110 --> 01:13:21.580 Is that Bruesewitz, 8843 01:13:21.580 --> 01:13:22.010 are we talking 8844 01:13:22.010 --> 01:13:22.160 about? 8845 01:13:22.160 --> 01:13:22.940 Bruesewitz 8846 01:13:23.180 --> 01:13:23.750 versus 8847 01:13:23.750 --> 01:13:24.200 Wyeth 8848 01:13:24.200 --> 01:13:24.650 . And 8849 01:13:24.650 --> 01:13:25.320 here, 8850 01:13:25.320 --> 01:13:25.890 NVIC, 8851 01:13:25.890 --> 01:13:26.270 Mary 8852 01:13:26.300 --> 01:13:26.900 Holland 8853 01:13:26.900 --> 01:13:27.470 writes 8854 01:13:27.470 --> 01:13:27.650 this 8855 01:13:27.650 --> 01:13:28.070 brief 8856 01:13:28.070 --> 01:13:28.400 with 8857 01:13:28.400 --> 01:13:29.090 NVIC 8858 01:13:29.090 --> 01:13:29.540 and these 8859 01:13:29.540 --> 01:13:29.900 other 8860 01:13:29.900 --> 01:13:30.350 groups 8861 01:13:30.350 --> 01:13:30.500 of 8862 01:13:30.500 --> 01:13:31.130 vaccine, 8863 01:13:31.130 --> 01:13:31.730 mostly 8864 01:13:31.730 --> 01:13:32.270 representing 8865 01:13:32.270 --> 01:13:32.630 vaccine 8866 01:13:32.630 --> 01:13:32.900 injured 8867 01:13:32.900 --> 01:13:33.560 children. 8868 01:13:33.560 --> 01:13:33.950 And 8869 01:13:33.950 --> 01:13:34.430 who do we, 8870 01:13:34.460 --> 01:13:34.700 what 8871 01:13:34.730 --> 01:13:35.120 briefs do 8872 01:13:35.120 --> 01:13:35.480 we come 8873 01:13:35.480 --> 01:13:35.630 up 8874 01:13:35.630 --> 01:13:36.410 against 8875 01:13:36.410 --> 01:13:36.770 in 8876 01:13:36.770 --> 01:13:37.340 Bruesewitz 8877 01:13:37.340 --> 01:13:37.580 versus 8878 01:13:37.730 --> 01:13:38.300 versus 8879 01:13:38.330 --> 01:13:38.750 Wyeth 8880 01:13:38.780 --> 01:13:39.110 ? A 8881 01:13:39.110 --> 01:13:39.620 DPT 8882 01:13:39.620 --> 01:13:40.100 vaccine 8883 01:13:40.100 --> 01:13:40.400 injury 8884 01:13:40.400 --> 01:13:41.090 case. 8885 01:13:41.090 --> 01:13:41.780 So 8886 01:13:41.780 --> 01:13:42.440 let's 8887 01:13:42.440 --> 01:13:42.920 take this 8888 01:13:42.920 --> 01:13:43.130 for a 8889 01:13:43.130 --> 01:13:43.910 moment. 8890 01:13:44.150 --> 01:13:44.630 I want 8891 01:13:44.630 --> 01:13:45.020 to get, I 8892 01:13:45.020 --> 01:13:45.410 want to get 8893 01:13:45.410 --> 01:13:45.860 into 8894 01:13:45.860 --> 01:13:46.250 to 8895 01:13:46.250 --> 01:13:46.850 Bruesewitz 8896 01:13:46.850 --> 01:13:47.390 versus 8897 01:13:47.390 --> 01:13:47.800 Wyeth, 8898 01:13:47.800 --> 01:13:48.200 but help me 8899 01:13:48.200 --> 01:13:49.280 understand 8900 01:13:49.430 --> 01:13:49.750 . 8901 01:13:49.750 --> 01:13:50.240 '87 8902 01:13:50.240 --> 01:13:50.480 comes 8903 01:13:50.480 --> 01:13:51.170 along 8904 01:13:51.170 --> 01:13:51.440 and 8905 01:13:51.440 --> 01:13:52.100 Congress 8906 01:13:52.100 --> 01:13:52.790 starts 8907 01:13:52.790 --> 01:13:53.210 having 8908 01:13:53.210 --> 01:13:53.690 hearings 8909 01:13:53.690 --> 01:13:54.080 at 8910 01:13:54.260 --> 01:13:55.130 around 8911 01:13:55.130 --> 01:13:55.250 the 8912 01:13:55.250 --> 01:13:55.820 '86 8913 01:13:55.820 --> 01:13:56.600 Act 8914 01:13:56.630 --> 01:13:57.500 about 8915 01:13:57.500 --> 01:13:58.160 like, 8916 01:13:58.160 --> 01:13:58.770 why, 8917 01:13:58.770 --> 01:13:59.270 who's 8918 01:13:59.270 --> 01:13:59.660 forcing them 8919 01:13:59.660 --> 01:14:00.120 to have a hearing, 8920 01:14:00.120 --> 01:14:00.410 where is it 8921 01:14:00.410 --> 01:14:00.800 coming from? 8922 01:14:00.800 --> 01:14:01.070 Because of the 8923 01:14:01.070 --> 01:14:01.640 funding. 8924 01:14:01.640 --> 01:14:02.000 They, 8925 01:14:02.000 --> 01:14:02.330 what 8926 01:14:02.330 --> 01:14:02.750 happened 8927 01:14:02.750 --> 01:14:03.590 was, 8928 01:14:03.590 --> 01:14:04.070 when 8929 01:14:04.070 --> 01:14:04.550 all that was 8930 01:14:04.550 --> 01:14:05.030 happening 8931 01:14:05.030 --> 01:14:05.240 at the 8932 01:14:05.240 --> 01:14:05.660 end in 8933 01:14:05.660 --> 01:14:06.620 '86 8934 01:14:07.100 --> 01:14:07.580 and they 8935 01:14:07.580 --> 01:14:07.820 really 8936 01:14:07.820 --> 01:14:08.300 wanted a 8937 01:14:08.300 --> 01:14:09.020 bill, 8938 01:14:09.140 --> 01:14:09.590 they 8939 01:14:09.590 --> 01:14:09.980 didn't have 8940 01:14:09.980 --> 01:14:10.310 time 8941 01:14:10.550 --> 01:14:10.970 to 8942 01:14:10.970 --> 01:14:11.360 create 8943 01:14:11.360 --> 01:14:11.810 the funding 8944 01:14:11.810 --> 01:14:12.470 mechanism 8945 01:14:12.470 --> 01:14:12.710 for the 8946 01:14:12.710 --> 01:14:13.340 compensation 8947 01:14:13.340 --> 01:14:13.820 program. 8948 01:14:13.820 --> 01:14:14.240 Okay, so 8949 01:14:14.240 --> 01:14:14.570 they just said 8950 01:14:14.570 --> 01:14:15.020 there's going to 8951 01:14:15.020 --> 01:14:15.320 be 8952 01:14:15.320 --> 01:14:15.980 one. 8953 01:14:15.980 --> 01:14:16.460 Yeah. 8954 01:14:16.880 --> 01:14:17.270 We 8955 01:14:17.270 --> 01:14:17.750 really want 8956 01:14:17.750 --> 01:14:18.200 one. 8957 01:14:18.970 --> 01:14:19.660 Similar 8958 01:14:19.660 --> 01:14:20.140 to actually we have 8959 01:14:20.140 --> 01:14:20.560 a lawsuit 8960 01:14:20.560 --> 01:14:20.980 right now 8961 01:14:20.980 --> 01:14:21.160 for 8962 01:14:21.160 --> 01:14:21.490 PREP 8963 01:14:21.490 --> 01:14:22.000 Act. 8964 01:14:22.000 --> 01:14:22.390 They don't 8965 01:14:22.390 --> 01:14:22.750 have enough 8966 01:14:22.750 --> 01:14:23.160 money, 8967 01:14:23.160 --> 01:14:23.590 like, this 8968 01:14:23.590 --> 01:14:23.890 thing is 8969 01:14:23.890 --> 01:14:24.130 not 8970 01:14:24.130 --> 01:14:24.550 working 8971 01:14:24.550 --> 01:14:25.030 because they 8972 01:14:25.030 --> 01:14:25.240 set 8973 01:14:25.240 --> 01:14:25.810 up 8974 01:14:25.810 --> 01:14:26.020 a 8975 01:14:26.020 --> 01:14:26.800 compensation, 8976 01:14:26.800 --> 01:14:27.130 but it's 8977 01:14:27.130 --> 01:14:27.430 not 8978 01:14:27.430 --> 01:14:27.850 actually 8979 01:14:27.850 --> 01:14:28.330 working at 8980 01:14:28.330 --> 01:14:28.720 all. 8981 01:14:28.720 --> 01:14:29.170 When you look 8982 01:14:29.170 --> 01:14:29.380 at the 8983 01:14:29.380 --> 01:14:29.770 money, 8984 01:14:29.770 --> 01:14:30.160 it's just the 8985 01:14:30.160 --> 01:14:30.400 whole 8986 01:14:30.400 --> 01:14:30.820 thing is 8987 01:14:30.820 --> 01:14:31.390 just, 8988 01:14:31.390 --> 01:14:31.750 they 8989 01:14:31.750 --> 01:14:32.230 started 8990 01:14:32.230 --> 01:14:32.650 something 8991 01:14:32.650 --> 01:14:32.950 they haven't 8992 01:14:32.950 --> 01:14:33.370 finished, but 8993 01:14:33.370 --> 01:14:33.670 that's 8994 01:14:33.670 --> 01:14:33.940 getting 8995 01:14:33.940 --> 01:14:34.390 off the 8996 01:14:34.390 --> 01:14:34.780 point. 8997 01:14:34.780 --> 01:14:35.080 But it's 8998 01:14:35.290 --> 01:14:35.620 sort of a 8999 01:14:35.620 --> 01:14:36.070 mirror of 9000 01:14:36.070 --> 01:14:36.550 what 9001 01:14:36.550 --> 01:14:36.850 we're 9002 01:14:36.850 --> 01:14:37.180 talking 9003 01:14:37.180 --> 01:14:37.540 about. So 9004 01:14:37.540 --> 01:14:37.990 they set 9005 01:14:37.990 --> 01:14:38.230 up a 9006 01:14:38.230 --> 01:14:38.860 compensation 9007 01:14:38.860 --> 01:14:39.290 program, 9008 01:14:39.290 --> 01:14:39.640 it has 9009 01:14:39.640 --> 01:14:39.850 no 9010 01:14:39.850 --> 01:14:40.600 funding, 9011 01:14:40.600 --> 01:14:40.990 so 9012 01:14:40.990 --> 01:14:41.260 they 9013 01:14:41.260 --> 01:14:41.590 still 9014 01:14:41.590 --> 01:14:41.950 have to 9015 01:14:41.950 --> 01:14:42.160 now 9016 01:14:42.190 --> 01:14:42.580 meet 9017 01:14:42.580 --> 01:14:43.030 and figure 9018 01:14:43.030 --> 01:14:43.420 out how we're 9019 01:14:43.420 --> 01:14:43.900 going to fund 9020 01:14:43.900 --> 01:14:44.050 this. 9021 01:14:44.050 --> 01:14:44.440 Right. 9022 01:14:44.440 --> 01:14:44.920 And 9023 01:14:44.920 --> 01:14:45.460 okay, 9024 01:14:45.460 --> 01:14:45.910 so 9025 01:14:45.910 --> 01:14:46.300 it's really 9026 01:14:46.300 --> 01:14:46.720 important 9027 01:14:46.720 --> 01:14:46.840 to 9028 01:14:46.840 --> 01:14:47.740 remember 9029 01:14:47.740 --> 01:14:48.160 that 9030 01:14:48.160 --> 01:14:48.490 once 9031 01:14:48.490 --> 01:14:48.670 you 9032 01:14:48.670 --> 01:14:49.000 open 9033 01:14:49.000 --> 01:14:49.330 up a 9034 01:14:49.330 --> 01:14:50.650 law, 9035 01:14:50.650 --> 01:14:51.530 once 9036 01:14:51.530 --> 01:14:51.950 you start to 9037 01:14:51.950 --> 01:14:52.130 have 9038 01:14:52.130 --> 01:14:52.610 hearings 9039 01:14:52.610 --> 01:14:52.940 and 9040 01:14:52.940 --> 01:14:53.210 that 9041 01:14:53.210 --> 01:14:53.570 law 9042 01:14:53.570 --> 01:14:53.990 is 9043 01:14:53.990 --> 01:14:54.320 kind of 9044 01:14:54.320 --> 01:14:55.260 fluid, 9045 01:14:55.260 --> 01:14:55.850 there 9046 01:14:55.850 --> 01:14:56.060 are all 9047 01:14:56.060 --> 01:14:56.940 these 9048 01:14:56.940 --> 01:14:58.190 amendments 9049 01:14:58.190 --> 01:14:58.670 that can be 9050 01:14:58.670 --> 01:14:59.000 made, 9051 01:14:59.000 --> 01:14:59.600 right. 9052 01:14:59.870 --> 01:15:00.440 So 9053 01:15:00.440 --> 01:15:00.830 we're up 9054 01:15:00.830 --> 01:15:01.070 there 9055 01:15:01.070 --> 01:15:01.610 fighting 9056 01:15:01.610 --> 01:15:02.180 against 9057 01:15:02.180 --> 01:15:02.690 weakening 9058 01:15:02.690 --> 01:15:03.560 amendments, 9059 01:15:03.560 --> 01:15:04.190 because 9060 01:15:04.190 --> 01:15:04.400 they 9061 01:15:04.400 --> 01:15:04.880 wanted 9062 01:15:04.880 --> 01:15:05.300 to say, 9063 01:15:05.300 --> 01:15:05.690 oh, we're 9064 01:15:05.690 --> 01:15:06.170 going to 9065 01:15:06.170 --> 01:15:06.770 eliminate 9066 01:15:06.770 --> 01:15:07.100 design 9067 01:15:07.100 --> 01:15:07.850 defect. 9068 01:15:07.850 --> 01:15:08.180 We 9069 01:15:08.180 --> 01:15:08.630 want no 9070 01:15:08.630 --> 01:15:09.110 medical 9071 01:15:09.110 --> 01:15:10.010 malpractice. 9072 01:15:10.010 --> 01:15:10.760 We 9073 01:15:10.760 --> 01:15:11.690 don't 9074 01:15:11.690 --> 01:15:12.050 want all 9075 01:15:12.050 --> 01:15:12.470 those kids 9076 01:15:12.470 --> 01:15:12.710 to be 9077 01:15:12.710 --> 01:15:13.310 compensated 9078 01:15:13.310 --> 01:15:13.760 so much in 9079 01:15:13.760 --> 01:15:13.850 the 9080 01:15:13.850 --> 01:15:14.390 compensation 9081 01:15:14.390 --> 01:15:14.780 program, 9082 01:15:14.780 --> 01:15:15.050 because 9083 01:15:15.050 --> 01:15:15.590 why? 9084 01:15:15.620 --> 01:15:16.160 Because 9085 01:15:16.160 --> 01:15:16.340 for 9086 01:15:16.340 --> 01:15:16.880 every 9087 01:15:16.880 --> 01:15:17.780 admission, 9088 01:15:17.780 --> 01:15:18.380 every 9089 01:15:18.380 --> 01:15:18.950 award 9090 01:15:18.950 --> 01:15:19.250 is an 9091 01:15:19.250 --> 01:15:19.910 admission 9092 01:15:19.910 --> 01:15:20.270 that 9093 01:15:20.270 --> 01:15:20.840 vaccines 9094 01:15:20.840 --> 01:15:21.260 can do 9095 01:15:21.260 --> 01:15:21.920 that. 9096 01:15:22.490 --> 01:15:22.790 And 9097 01:15:22.790 --> 01:15:23.150 that's 9098 01:15:23.150 --> 01:15:23.480 been the 9099 01:15:23.480 --> 01:15:23.930 biggest 9100 01:15:23.930 --> 01:15:24.710 problem, 9101 01:15:24.710 --> 01:15:25.100 is 9102 01:15:25.100 --> 01:15:25.730 nobody 9103 01:15:25.730 --> 01:15:26.060 wants 9104 01:15:26.060 --> 01:15:26.240 to 9105 01:15:26.240 --> 01:15:26.840 acknowledge, 9106 01:15:26.840 --> 01:15:27.050 in the 9107 01:15:27.050 --> 01:15:27.710 system, 9108 01:15:27.710 --> 01:15:28.220 wants 9109 01:15:28.220 --> 01:15:28.370 to 9110 01:15:28.370 --> 01:15:29.060 acknowledge 9111 01:15:29.060 --> 01:15:29.450 the 9112 01:15:29.450 --> 01:15:29.990 extent 9113 01:15:29.990 --> 01:15:30.290 of the 9114 01:15:30.290 --> 01:15:31.130 problem 9115 01:15:31.130 --> 01:15:31.490 with 9116 01:15:31.490 --> 01:15:31.970 vaccine 9117 01:15:31.970 --> 01:15:32.420 injury and 9118 01:15:32.420 --> 01:15:33.050 death. 9119 01:15:33.050 --> 01:15:33.770 So 9120 01:15:33.770 --> 01:15:34.070 it's 9121 01:15:34.070 --> 01:15:34.850 minimize, 9122 01:15:34.850 --> 01:15:35.360 cover 9123 01:15:35.360 --> 01:15:35.720 up, 9124 01:15:35.720 --> 01:15:36.350 denying. 9125 01:15:36.350 --> 01:15:36.740 And this is 9126 01:15:36.740 --> 01:15:37.160 something 9127 01:15:37.160 --> 01:15:37.520 I 9128 01:15:37.520 --> 01:15:37.880 did an 9129 01:15:37.880 --> 01:15:38.330 interview 9130 01:15:38.330 --> 01:15:39.080 earlier 9131 01:15:39.200 --> 01:15:39.500 for 9132 01:15:39.500 --> 01:15:39.830 Epoch 9133 01:15:39.860 --> 01:15:40.220 Times 9134 01:15:40.220 --> 01:15:40.640 on this, 9135 01:15:40.640 --> 01:15:40.940 and it's 9136 01:15:40.940 --> 01:15:41.360 something that 9137 01:15:41.360 --> 01:15:41.840 really, people are 9138 01:15:41.840 --> 01:15:42.230 like what is 9139 01:15:42.230 --> 01:15:42.350 the 9140 01:15:42.350 --> 01:15:42.780 motive, 9141 01:15:42.780 --> 01:15:43.160 why would they 9142 01:15:43.160 --> 01:15:43.610 be covering 9143 01:15:43.610 --> 01:15:43.790 this 9144 01:15:43.790 --> 01:15:44.240 up? 9145 01:15:44.240 --> 01:15:44.660 And I 9146 01:15:44.660 --> 01:15:44.960 say 9147 01:15:44.960 --> 01:15:45.230 it's 9148 01:15:45.230 --> 01:15:45.920 simple. 9149 01:15:45.920 --> 01:15:46.400 You have a 9150 01:15:46.400 --> 01:15:46.880 product 9151 01:15:46.880 --> 01:15:47.150 that 9152 01:15:47.150 --> 01:15:47.990 everybody 9153 01:15:47.990 --> 01:15:48.440 has to 9154 01:15:48.440 --> 01:15:48.770 take in 9155 01:15:48.770 --> 01:15:49.250 order for it to 9156 01:15:49.250 --> 01:15:49.640 work. It's 9157 01:15:49.640 --> 01:15:50.060 not like a 9158 01:15:50.060 --> 01:15:50.630 drug. 9159 01:15:50.630 --> 01:15:50.870 It 9160 01:15:50.870 --> 01:15:51.290 doesn't just 9161 01:15:51.290 --> 01:15:51.650 handle the 9162 01:15:51.650 --> 01:15:52.100 person that's 9163 01:15:52.100 --> 01:15:52.580 sick, 9164 01:15:52.580 --> 01:15:53.120 everybody 9165 01:15:53.120 --> 01:15:53.420 but the 9166 01:15:53.420 --> 01:15:53.750 person 9167 01:15:53.750 --> 01:15:53.930 that's 9168 01:15:53.930 --> 01:15:54.340 sick, 9169 01:15:54.340 --> 01:15:54.800 everyone 9170 01:15:54.800 --> 01:15:55.250 else in the 9171 01:15:55.250 --> 01:15:55.640 world has 9172 01:15:55.640 --> 01:15:55.760 to 9173 01:15:55.760 --> 01:15:56.150 take 9174 01:15:56.150 --> 01:15:56.450 it. 9175 01:15:56.450 --> 01:15:57.320 So 9176 01:15:57.320 --> 01:15:57.620 the 9177 01:15:57.620 --> 01:15:58.190 confidence 9178 01:15:58.190 --> 01:15:58.370 in the 9179 01:15:58.670 --> 01:15:59.060 product 9180 01:15:59.060 --> 01:15:59.360 has to be 9181 01:15:59.360 --> 01:16:00.290 100%. 9182 01:16:00.290 --> 01:16:00.710 It has to be 9183 01:16:00.710 --> 01:16:01.250 100% 9184 01:16:01.250 --> 01:16:01.580 because we 9185 01:16:01.580 --> 01:16:01.760 want 9186 01:16:01.760 --> 01:16:02.420 100% 9187 01:16:02.420 --> 01:16:02.870 of everybody 9188 01:16:02.870 --> 01:16:03.200 take it, 9189 01:16:03.200 --> 01:16:03.590 because if 9190 01:16:03.590 --> 01:16:03.920 people 9191 01:16:03.920 --> 01:16:04.520 don't, 9192 01:16:04.520 --> 01:16:04.970 then we're 9193 01:16:04.970 --> 01:16:05.150 not 9194 01:16:05.150 --> 01:16:05.630 protecting 9195 01:16:05.630 --> 01:16:06.110 and it doesn't 9196 01:16:06.110 --> 01:16:06.470 work. 9197 01:16:06.470 --> 01:16:06.680 And 9198 01:16:06.680 --> 01:16:07.730 therefore 9199 01:16:07.730 --> 01:16:08.330 any 9200 01:16:08.330 --> 01:16:08.900 admission 9201 01:16:08.900 --> 01:16:09.170 that 9202 01:16:09.170 --> 01:16:09.590 there are 9203 01:16:09.590 --> 01:16:10.010 people 9204 01:16:10.010 --> 01:16:10.310 being 9205 01:16:10.310 --> 01:16:10.880 injured 9206 01:16:10.880 --> 01:16:11.510 wrecks 9207 01:16:11.510 --> 01:16:11.660 the 9208 01:16:11.660 --> 01:16:12.170 confidence 9209 01:16:12.170 --> 01:16:12.290 of the 9210 01:16:12.290 --> 01:16:13.010 100% 9211 01:16:13.010 --> 01:16:13.340 and now 9212 01:16:13.340 --> 01:16:13.640 people 9213 01:16:13.640 --> 01:16:13.880 stop 9214 01:16:13.880 --> 01:16:14.270 vaccinating 9215 01:16:14.270 --> 01:16:15.100 because 9216 01:16:15.100 --> 01:16:15.470 they 9217 01:16:15.470 --> 01:16:16.100 personalize 9218 01:16:16.100 --> 01:16:16.520 the idea 9219 01:16:16.520 --> 01:16:16.850 that that 9220 01:16:16.850 --> 01:16:17.240 that could 9221 01:16:17.240 --> 01:16:17.570 be my 9222 01:16:17.570 --> 01:16:18.170 child. 9223 01:16:18.170 --> 01:16:18.650 Therefore, 9224 01:16:18.650 --> 01:16:18.980 I don't 9225 01:16:18.980 --> 01:16:19.460 want to take 9226 01:16:19.460 --> 01:16:19.640 that 9227 01:16:19.640 --> 01:16:20.120 risk, and 9228 01:16:20.120 --> 01:16:20.450 the whole 9229 01:16:20.450 --> 01:16:20.840 system, 9230 01:16:20.840 --> 01:16:21.140 in their 9231 01:16:21.140 --> 01:16:21.830 minds, 9232 01:16:21.830 --> 01:16:22.160 their 9233 01:16:22.160 --> 01:16:22.430 whole 9234 01:16:22.430 --> 01:16:22.850 system 9235 01:16:22.850 --> 01:16:23.240 will fall 9236 01:16:23.240 --> 01:16:23.840 apart. 9237 01:16:23.840 --> 01:16:24.230 So 9238 01:16:24.230 --> 01:16:24.380 as 9239 01:16:24.380 --> 01:16:24.830 Bernadine 9240 01:16:24.830 --> 01:16:25.220 Healy 9241 01:16:25.220 --> 01:16:25.640 even 9242 01:16:25.640 --> 01:16:26.270 said. 9243 01:16:26.510 --> 01:16:27.020 This 9244 01:16:27.020 --> 01:16:27.320 is the 9245 01:16:27.320 --> 01:16:27.740 time 9246 01:16:27.740 --> 01:16:28.160 when we 9247 01:16:28.160 --> 01:16:28.580 do have 9248 01:16:28.580 --> 01:16:28.670 the 9249 01:16:28.670 --> 01:16:29.390 opportunity 9250 01:16:29.390 --> 01:16:29.510 to 9251 01:16:29.510 --> 01:16:30.470 understand 9252 01:16:30.470 --> 01:16:30.950 whether 9253 01:16:30.950 --> 01:16:31.340 or not 9254 01:16:31.340 --> 01:16:31.580 there 9255 01:16:31.580 --> 01:16:32.180 are 9256 01:16:32.180 --> 01:16:33.170 susceptible 9257 01:16:33.170 --> 01:16:33.770 children, 9258 01:16:33.770 --> 01:16:34.190 perhaps 9259 01:16:34.190 --> 01:16:35.000 genetically, 9260 01:16:35.000 --> 01:16:35.480 perhaps 9261 01:16:35.480 --> 01:16:35.840 they have a 9262 01:16:35.840 --> 01:16:36.800 metabolic 9263 01:16:36.980 --> 01:16:37.640 issue, 9264 01:16:37.640 --> 01:16:38.390 mitochondrial 9265 01:16:38.390 --> 01:16:39.230 disorder, 9266 01:16:39.230 --> 01:16:40.520 immunological 9267 01:16:40.790 --> 01:16:41.600 issue, 9268 01:16:41.600 --> 01:16:42.110 that 9269 01:16:42.110 --> 01:16:42.500 makes 9270 01:16:42.500 --> 01:16:43.010 them 9271 01:16:43.010 --> 01:16:43.430 more 9272 01:16:43.430 --> 01:16:44.450 susceptible 9273 01:16:44.450 --> 01:16:45.170 to 9274 01:16:45.170 --> 01:16:46.040 vaccines, 9275 01:16:46.040 --> 01:16:46.790 plural, 9276 01:16:46.790 --> 01:16:47.180 or 9277 01:16:47.180 --> 01:16:47.540 to one 9278 01:16:47.540 --> 01:16:47.990 particular 9279 01:16:47.990 --> 01:16:48.680 vaccine, 9280 01:16:48.680 --> 01:16:49.100 or to 9281 01:16:49.100 --> 01:16:49.220 a 9282 01:16:49.220 --> 01:16:49.670 component 9283 01:16:49.670 --> 01:16:49.730 of 9284 01:16:49.730 --> 01:16:50.330 vaccine, 9285 01:16:50.330 --> 01:16:50.690 like 9286 01:16:50.690 --> 01:16:51.440 mercury. 9287 01:16:51.440 --> 01:16:51.710 The 9288 01:16:51.710 --> 01:16:52.190 fact that 9289 01:16:52.190 --> 01:16:52.490 there 9290 01:16:52.490 --> 01:16:52.760 is 9291 01:16:52.760 --> 01:16:53.360 concern 9292 01:16:53.360 --> 01:16:53.840 that you don't 9293 01:16:53.840 --> 01:16:54.200 want to 9294 01:16:54.200 --> 01:16:54.680 know that 9295 01:16:54.680 --> 01:16:55.280 susceptible 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01:28:51.700 anyone 10750 01:28:51.700 --> 01:28:52.000 like I'm 10751 01:28:52.000 --> 01:28:52.450 doing with 10752 01:28:52.450 --> 01:28:52.930 you. 10753 01:28:53.570 --> 01:28:54.650 So, 10754 01:28:54.770 --> 01:28:55.160 you 10755 01:28:55.160 --> 01:28:55.400 know, I 10756 01:28:55.400 --> 01:28:55.700 hope 10757 01:28:55.700 --> 01:28:56.240 people 10758 01:28:56.240 --> 01:28:56.540 will 10759 01:28:56.540 --> 01:28:57.050 see 10760 01:28:57.050 --> 01:28:57.530 we were 10761 01:28:57.530 --> 01:28:58.790 parents 10762 01:28:58.790 --> 01:28:59.270 of 10763 01:28:59.270 --> 01:28:59.720 vaccine 10764 01:28:59.720 --> 01:28:59.990 injured 10765 01:28:59.990 --> 01:29:00.890 children 10766 01:29:01.070 --> 01:29:01.640 who 10767 01:29:01.640 --> 01:29:01.820 were 10768 01:29:01.820 --> 01:29:02.510 told, 10769 01:29:02.510 --> 01:29:02.840 you 10770 01:29:02.840 --> 01:29:03.230 can come 10771 01:29:03.230 --> 01:29:03.470 to the 10772 01:29:03.470 --> 01:29:04.460 table 10773 01:29:04.460 --> 01:29:05.000 and 10774 01:29:05.000 --> 01:29:05.450 fight for 10775 01:29:05.450 --> 01:29:05.570 the 10776 01:29:05.570 --> 01:29:06.530 parents 10777 01:29:07.010 --> 01:29:07.400 and the 10778 01:29:07.400 --> 01:29:08.090 children. 10779 01:29:09.830 --> 01:29:10.490 And 10780 01:29:10.880 --> 01:29:11.300 as hard 10781 01:29:11.300 --> 01:29:11.540 as you 10782 01:29:11.540 --> 01:29:12.080 can, 10783 01:29:12.080 --> 01:29:12.530 but we're 10784 01:29:12.530 --> 01:29:12.800 going to 10785 01:29:12.800 --> 01:29:13.130 pass 10786 01:29:13.130 --> 01:29:13.310 this 10787 01:29:13.310 --> 01:29:14.060 law. 10788 01:29:15.130 --> 01:29:15.490 I 10789 01:29:15.490 --> 01:29:16.120 mean, 10790 01:29:18.700 --> 01:29:19.090 I 10791 01:29:19.090 --> 01:29:19.450 believe 10792 01:29:19.450 --> 01:29:19.900 that if 10793 01:29:19.900 --> 01:29:20.320 that was 10794 01:29:20.320 --> 01:29:20.530 done 10795 01:29:20.530 --> 01:29:21.100 today, 10796 01:29:21.100 --> 01:29:21.490 that 10797 01:29:21.490 --> 01:29:21.670 the 10798 01:29:21.670 --> 01:29:22.090 parents 10799 01:29:22.090 --> 01:29:22.180 of 10800 01:29:22.180 --> 01:29:22.660 vaccinated 10801 01:29:22.660 --> 01:29:23.140 children would 10802 01:29:23.140 --> 01:29:23.380 do the 10803 01:29:23.380 --> 01:29:23.830 same as 10804 01:29:23.830 --> 01:29:23.980 we 10805 01:29:23.980 --> 01:29:24.460 did. 10806 01:29:25.490 --> 01:29:25.820 And you're 10807 01:29:25.820 --> 01:29:26.300 going to come 10808 01:29:26.300 --> 01:29:26.630 up 10809 01:29:26.630 --> 01:29:27.170 against 10810 01:29:27.170 --> 01:29:27.350 the 10811 01:29:27.350 --> 01:29:27.860 same 10812 01:29:27.860 --> 01:29:28.460 people, 10813 01:29:28.550 --> 01:29:28.970 like in 10814 01:29:28.970 --> 01:29:29.540 Bruesewitz 10815 01:29:29.540 --> 01:29:29.930 versus 10816 01:29:29.930 --> 01:29:31.370 Wyeth, 10817 01:29:31.370 --> 01:29:32.090 that 10818 01:29:32.090 --> 01:29:32.600 DPT 10819 01:29:32.600 --> 01:29:33.110 case, 10820 01:29:33.110 --> 01:29:33.410 which 10821 01:29:33.410 --> 01:29:33.650 was 10822 01:29:33.650 --> 01:29:34.010 argued 10823 01:29:34.010 --> 01:29:34.190 that 10824 01:29:34.190 --> 01:29:34.550 they, 10825 01:29:34.550 --> 01:29:34.970 Wyeth 10826 01:29:34.970 --> 01:29:35.330 could have 10827 01:29:35.330 --> 01:29:35.630 made a 10828 01:29:35.630 --> 01:29:36.080 vaccine 10829 01:29:36.080 --> 01:29:36.890 safer. 10830 01:29:37.070 --> 01:29:37.430 Alright, so 10831 01:29:37.430 --> 01:29:37.990 let's 10832 01:29:37.990 --> 01:29:38.390 focus 10833 01:29:38.390 --> 01:29:38.570 on 10834 01:29:38.570 --> 01:29:38.960 that. 10835 01:29:38.960 --> 01:29:39.620 Bruesewitz 10836 01:29:39.620 --> 01:29:40.010 versus 10837 01:29:40.010 --> 01:29:40.490 Wyatt is 10838 01:29:40.490 --> 01:29:40.610 an 10839 01:29:40.610 --> 01:29:41.330 attempt 10840 01:29:41.330 --> 01:29:41.750 when 10841 01:29:41.750 --> 01:29:41.900 they're 10842 01:29:41.900 --> 01:29:42.380 trying to 10843 01:29:42.380 --> 01:29:42.800 say, this 10844 01:29:42.800 --> 01:29:43.220 is really 10845 01:29:43.220 --> 01:29:43.520 one of the 10846 01:29:43.520 --> 01:29:43.850 last 10847 01:29:43.850 --> 01:29:44.270 attempts 10848 01:29:44.270 --> 01:29:44.690 is going to 10849 01:29:44.690 --> 01:29:44.960 be 10850 01:29:44.960 --> 01:29:45.350 before 10851 01:29:45.350 --> 01:29:45.740 they get 10852 01:29:45.740 --> 01:29:45.980 rid 10853 01:29:46.010 --> 01:29:46.520 of. 10854 01:29:46.520 --> 01:29:46.910 Design 10855 01:29:46.910 --> 01:29:47.270 defects. 10856 01:29:47.270 --> 01:29:47.600 Design 10857 01:29:47.600 --> 01:29:48.100 defect, 10858 01:29:48.100 --> 01:29:48.380 let's 10859 01:29:48.380 --> 01:29:48.710 run a 10860 01:29:48.710 --> 01:29:49.340 case. 10861 01:29:49.340 --> 01:29:50.570 Okay. 10862 01:29:50.570 --> 01:29:50.990 So you 10863 01:29:50.990 --> 01:29:51.290 so 10864 01:29:51.290 --> 01:29:51.860 so 10865 01:29:51.860 --> 01:29:52.250 . 10866 01:29:52.250 --> 01:29:52.430 So they 10867 01:29:52.910 --> 01:29:53.300 ran the, 10868 01:29:53.330 --> 01:29:53.630 you know it 10869 01:29:53.630 --> 01:29:53.930 was a 10870 01:29:53.930 --> 01:29:54.320 design 10871 01:29:54.320 --> 01:29:54.770 defect 10872 01:29:54.770 --> 01:29:55.520 case. 10873 01:29:56.100 --> 01:29:56.850 And 10874 01:29:56.850 --> 01:29:57.300 here we 10875 01:29:57.300 --> 01:29:58.580 have 10876 01:29:58.580 --> 01:29:59.220 the 10877 01:29:59.220 --> 01:30:00.240 government, 10878 01:30:00.540 --> 01:30:01.620 HHS, 10879 01:30:01.620 --> 01:30:02.340 justice, 10880 01:30:02.340 --> 01:30:02.610 all the 10881 01:30:02.610 --> 01:30:03.330 government, 10882 01:30:03.330 --> 01:30:03.480 the 10883 01:30:03.480 --> 01:30:04.560 administration, 10884 01:30:04.560 --> 01:30:05.700 saying 10885 01:30:05.700 --> 01:30:06.240 we 10886 01:30:06.240 --> 01:30:06.540 side 10887 01:30:06.540 --> 01:30:06.870 with 10888 01:30:06.870 --> 01:30:07.740 Wyeth. 10889 01:30:08.010 --> 01:30:08.460 You 10890 01:30:08.460 --> 01:30:08.790 have 10891 01:30:08.790 --> 01:30:09.150 all of the 10892 01:30:09.150 --> 01:30:09.540 medical 10893 01:30:09.540 --> 01:30:11.020 trade, 10894 01:30:11.020 --> 01:30:11.570 all 10895 01:30:11.570 --> 01:30:11.690 of 10896 01:30:11.690 --> 01:30:12.080 public 10897 01:30:12.080 --> 01:30:13.310 health, 10898 01:30:13.310 --> 01:30:13.860 all 10899 01:30:13.860 --> 01:30:14.270 of 10900 01:30:14.270 --> 01:30:15.500 industry. 10901 01:30:16.290 --> 01:30:17.190 We 10902 01:30:17.190 --> 01:30:17.730 side 10903 01:30:17.730 --> 01:30:18.180 with 10904 01:30:18.180 --> 01:30:18.960 Wyeth. 10905 01:30:19.530 --> 01:30:19.980 You 10906 01:30:19.980 --> 01:30:20.130 have 10907 01:30:20.130 --> 01:30:21.090 NVIC 10908 01:30:21.360 --> 01:30:22.080 and 10909 01:30:22.080 --> 01:30:22.620 vaccine 10910 01:30:22.620 --> 01:30:22.950 injured 10911 01:30:22.950 --> 01:30:23.340 groups, 10912 01:30:23.340 --> 01:30:23.790 groups of 10913 01:30:23.790 --> 01:30:24.210 vaccine 10914 01:30:24.210 --> 01:30:24.480 injured 10915 01:30:24.480 --> 01:30:26.110 children, 10916 01:30:26.110 --> 01:30:26.410 we 10917 01:30:26.440 --> 01:30:26.920 side with 10918 01:30:26.920 --> 01:30:27.040 the 10919 01:30:27.040 --> 01:30:28.460 plaintiff, 10920 01:30:28.460 --> 01:30:28.810 yhe 10921 01:30:28.810 --> 01:30:29.200 child 10922 01:30:29.200 --> 01:30:29.530 has been 10923 01:30:29.530 --> 01:30:30.130 injured. 10924 01:30:30.970 --> 01:30:31.420 And the 10925 01:30:31.420 --> 01:30:31.750 Supreme 10926 01:30:31.750 --> 01:30:31.990 Court 10927 01:30:31.990 --> 01:30:32.950 majority 10928 01:30:33.070 --> 01:30:33.580 went 10929 01:30:33.580 --> 01:30:34.060 with all of 10930 01:30:34.060 --> 01:30:34.630 them. 10931 01:30:35.950 --> 01:30:36.580 Against 10932 01:30:36.580 --> 01:30:36.700 the child. 10933 01:30:36.700 --> 01:30:37.150 All the power 10934 01:30:37.150 --> 01:30:37.780 brokers. 10935 01:30:37.780 --> 01:30:38.380 Right 10936 01:30:40.240 --> 01:30:40.690 . To 10937 01:30:40.690 --> 01:30:41.170 protect 10938 01:30:41.170 --> 01:30:41.290 the 10939 01:30:41.290 --> 01:30:41.770 system, 10940 01:30:41.770 --> 01:30:42.250 and 10941 01:30:42.250 --> 01:30:42.460 they 10942 01:30:42.460 --> 01:30:42.820 got 10943 01:30:42.820 --> 01:30:43.030 the 10944 01:30:43.030 --> 01:30:43.720 legislative 10945 01:30:43.720 --> 01:30:44.110 history 10946 01:30:44.110 --> 01:30:44.800 wrong. 10947 01:30:45.740 --> 01:30:46.670 Saying 10948 01:30:46.670 --> 01:30:47.120 that 10949 01:30:47.120 --> 01:30:47.330 the 10950 01:30:47.330 --> 01:30:47.870 Congress 10951 01:30:47.870 --> 01:30:48.230 had 10952 01:30:48.230 --> 01:30:48.740 intended 10953 01:30:48.740 --> 01:30:49.010 with 10954 01:30:49.010 --> 01:30:49.250 this 10955 01:30:49.250 --> 01:30:49.580 law 10956 01:30:49.910 --> 01:30:50.300 to 10957 01:30:50.300 --> 01:30:51.140 protect, 10958 01:30:51.140 --> 01:30:51.290 you 10959 01:30:51.290 --> 01:30:52.210 know, 10960 01:30:52.210 --> 01:30:52.730 even 10961 01:30:52.730 --> 01:30:53.210 design 10962 01:30:53.210 --> 01:30:53.690 defect, 10963 01:30:53.690 --> 01:30:54.020 that you 10964 01:30:54.020 --> 01:30:54.500 couldn't bring 10965 01:30:54.500 --> 01:30:54.920 a case. 10966 01:30:54.920 --> 01:30:55.190 That you 10967 01:30:55.190 --> 01:30:55.670 couldn't bring a 10968 01:30:55.670 --> 01:30:56.030 case. What 10969 01:30:56.030 --> 01:30:56.240 they 10970 01:30:56.240 --> 01:30:56.540 really 10971 01:30:56.540 --> 01:30:56.930 meant, what 10972 01:30:56.930 --> 01:30:57.410 Congress 10973 01:30:57.410 --> 01:30:58.070 really 10974 01:30:58.070 --> 01:30:59.030 meant 10975 01:30:59.180 --> 01:30:59.780 was 10976 01:30:59.780 --> 01:31:00.290 no 10977 01:31:00.290 --> 01:31:00.920 lawsuits 10978 01:31:00.920 --> 01:31:01.160 at 10979 01:31:01.160 --> 01:31:01.580 all 10980 01:31:01.580 --> 01:31:02.030 against 10981 01:31:02.030 --> 01:31:02.390 the drug 10982 01:31:02.390 --> 01:31:02.870 companies. 10983 01:31:02.870 --> 01:31:03.740 Now, 10984 01:31:03.770 --> 01:31:04.520 remember 10985 01:31:04.520 --> 01:31:04.760 I was 10986 01:31:04.760 --> 01:31:05.120 talking 10987 01:31:05.120 --> 01:31:05.600 about that 10988 01:31:05.600 --> 01:31:06.410 funding, 10989 01:31:06.710 --> 01:31:06.890 the 10990 01:31:06.890 --> 01:31:07.310 funding 10991 01:31:07.310 --> 01:31:07.670 bill that 10992 01:31:07.670 --> 01:31:08.030 they were 10993 01:31:08.030 --> 01:31:08.360 having 10994 01:31:08.360 --> 01:31:08.810 hearings 10995 01:31:08.810 --> 01:31:09.290 on in 10996 01:31:09.290 --> 01:31:10.190 1987. 10997 01:31:10.190 --> 01:31:10.550 The fund, the 10998 01:31:10.550 --> 01:31:11.030 compensation 10999 01:31:11.210 --> 01:31:11.480 fund. 11000 01:31:11.480 --> 01:31:11.960 The fund, the compensation, 11001 01:31:11.960 --> 01:31:12.320 which they 11002 01:31:12.320 --> 01:31:12.620 did in 11003 01:31:12.620 --> 01:31:13.700 1988. 11004 01:31:13.700 --> 01:31:14.150 Well, 11005 01:31:14.150 --> 01:31:14.270 in 11006 01:31:14.270 --> 01:31:15.800 1987, 11007 01:31:15.800 --> 01:31:16.250 the First 11008 01:31:16.250 --> 01:31:16.700 Amendment 11009 01:31:16.700 --> 01:31:17.090 that they 11010 01:31:17.090 --> 01:31:17.300 put 11011 01:31:17.300 --> 01:31:18.450 in 11012 01:31:18.450 --> 01:31:19.320 was 11013 01:31:19.320 --> 01:31:19.440 to 11014 01:31:19.440 --> 01:31:19.950 give 11015 01:31:19.950 --> 01:31:20.100 the 11016 01:31:20.100 --> 01:31:21.270 doctors 11017 01:31:21.270 --> 01:31:22.180 medical 11018 01:31:22.180 --> 01:31:22.870 malpractice 11019 01:31:22.870 --> 01:31:23.380 liability 11020 01:31:23.380 --> 01:31:24.160 protection 11021 01:31:24.160 --> 01:31:24.610 . In 11022 01:31:24.610 --> 01:31:25.060 the dark 11023 01:31:25.060 --> 01:31:25.270 of the 11024 01:31:25.270 --> 01:31:26.010 night, 11025 01:31:26.010 --> 01:31:26.200 in 11026 01:31:26.200 --> 01:31:26.770 December 11027 01:31:26.770 --> 01:31:26.860 of 11028 01:31:26.860 --> 01:31:27.880 1987, 11029 01:31:27.880 --> 01:31:28.120 in a 11030 01:31:28.120 --> 01:31:28.390 budget 11031 01:31:28.390 --> 01:31:29.260 reconciliation 11032 01:31:29.260 --> 01:31:29.680 bill 11033 01:31:29.680 --> 01:31:30.070 which 11034 01:31:30.070 --> 01:31:30.370 we knew 11035 01:31:30.370 --> 01:31:30.640 nothing 11036 01:31:30.640 --> 01:31:31.150 about, 11037 01:31:31.150 --> 01:31:31.630 nobody 11038 01:31:31.630 --> 01:31:31.870 told 11039 01:31:31.870 --> 01:31:32.320 us. 11040 01:31:34.100 --> 01:31:34.430 All of a 11041 01:31:34.430 --> 01:31:34.910 sudden 11042 01:31:34.910 --> 01:31:35.150 the 11043 01:31:35.150 --> 01:31:35.570 doctors 11044 01:31:35.570 --> 01:31:35.960 didn't have 11045 01:31:35.960 --> 01:31:36.140 any 11046 01:31:36.140 --> 01:31:36.980 liability. 11047 01:31:37.790 --> 01:31:38.270 And 11048 01:31:38.270 --> 01:31:39.140 then 11049 01:31:39.140 --> 01:31:39.530 in 11050 01:31:39.530 --> 01:31:39.650 the 11051 01:31:39.650 --> 01:31:40.130 succeeding 11052 01:31:40.130 --> 01:31:40.580 decades, 11053 01:31:40.580 --> 01:31:40.790 in the 11054 01:31:40.790 --> 01:31:42.850 90s, 11055 01:31:42.850 --> 01:31:44.230 they 11056 01:31:44.230 --> 01:31:44.590 gutted 11057 01:31:44.590 --> 01:31:45.070 the safety 11058 01:31:45.070 --> 01:31:46.000 provisions 11059 01:31:46.000 --> 01:31:47.730 and 11060 01:31:47.730 --> 01:31:48.770 the 11061 01:31:48.770 --> 01:31:49.370 compensation 11062 01:31:49.370 --> 01:31:50.090 provisions, 11063 01:31:50.090 --> 01:31:50.390 you know, 11064 01:31:50.390 --> 01:31:50.720 took 11065 01:31:50.720 --> 01:31:51.170 the, you know, 11066 01:31:51.170 --> 01:31:51.590 rewrote the 11067 01:31:51.590 --> 01:31:52.070 definition of 11068 01:31:52.070 --> 01:31:53.060 encephalopathy, 11069 01:31:53.060 --> 01:31:53.360 took 11070 01:31:53.360 --> 01:31:54.110 away 11071 01:31:54.110 --> 01:31:54.750 the 11072 01:31:54.750 --> 01:31:56.150 presumption 11073 01:31:56.150 --> 01:31:56.870 of 11074 01:31:56.870 --> 01:31:57.950 injury 11075 01:31:57.950 --> 01:31:58.370 on the 11076 01:31:58.370 --> 01:31:59.150 table. 11077 01:31:59.150 --> 01:31:59.510 Which was the 11078 01:31:59.510 --> 01:32:00.000 entire point of 11079 01:32:00.000 --> 01:32:00.140 this. 11080 01:32:00.560 --> 01:32:00.890 The 11081 01:32:00.890 --> 01:32:01.130 whole 11082 01:32:01.130 --> 01:32:01.400 thing 11083 01:32:01.400 --> 01:32:01.790 started 11084 01:32:01.790 --> 01:32:02.000 to 11085 01:32:02.000 --> 01:32:02.330 just, 11086 01:32:02.330 --> 01:32:02.600 just 11087 01:32:02.600 --> 01:32:03.710 deteriorate. 11088 01:32:03.710 --> 01:32:04.250 And 11089 01:32:04.250 --> 01:32:05.030 then 11090 01:32:05.030 --> 01:32:05.420 the 11091 01:32:05.420 --> 01:32:05.840 cases 11092 01:32:05.840 --> 01:32:06.080 weren't 11093 01:32:06.080 --> 01:32:06.350 being 11094 01:32:06.350 --> 01:32:07.980 compensated, 11095 01:32:07.980 --> 01:32:08.330 the 11096 01:32:08.330 --> 01:32:08.900 lawsuit 11097 01:32:08.900 --> 01:32:09.620 stopped. 11098 01:32:09.650 --> 01:32:10.130 No one can 11099 01:32:10.130 --> 01:32:10.580 win. 11100 01:32:10.580 --> 01:32:10.760 It's 11101 01:32:10.760 --> 01:32:11.240 costing a 11102 01:32:11.240 --> 01:32:11.660 fortune 11103 01:32:11.660 --> 01:32:12.050 being in 11104 01:32:12.050 --> 01:32:12.380 there, 11105 01:32:12.380 --> 01:32:12.800 it's being 11106 01:32:12.800 --> 01:32:13.130 dragged 11107 01:32:13.130 --> 01:32:13.610 out as though 11108 01:32:13.610 --> 01:32:13.970 you are 11109 01:32:13.970 --> 01:32:14.390 up against 11110 01:32:14.390 --> 01:32:14.480 the 11111 01:32:14.480 --> 01:32:15.080 pharmaceutical 11112 01:32:15.080 --> 01:32:15.620 industry. 11113 01:32:15.620 --> 01:32:15.800 And 11114 01:32:15.800 --> 01:32:16.310 then 11115 01:32:16.310 --> 01:32:16.580 the 11116 01:32:16.580 --> 01:32:16.970 Supreme 11117 01:32:16.970 --> 01:32:17.330 Court 11118 01:32:17.330 --> 01:32:17.630 put the 11119 01:32:17.630 --> 01:32:17.960 final 11120 01:32:17.960 --> 01:32:18.320 nail in the 11121 01:32:18.320 --> 01:32:18.500 coffin. 11122 01:32:18.530 --> 01:32:18.920 And is that 11123 01:32:18.920 --> 01:32:19.310 the same 11124 01:32:19.310 --> 01:32:19.700 Supreme 11125 01:32:19.700 --> 01:32:20.210 Court 11126 01:32:20.210 --> 01:32:20.630 that we 11127 01:32:20.630 --> 01:32:21.110 always hear 11128 01:32:21.110 --> 01:32:21.590 the famous 11129 01:32:21.590 --> 01:32:22.250 quote, 11130 01:32:22.250 --> 01:32:22.850 Supreme 11131 01:32:22.850 --> 01:32:23.120 Court 11132 01:32:23.120 --> 01:32:23.360 says 11133 01:32:23.360 --> 01:32:24.080 vaccines 11134 01:32:24.080 --> 01:32:24.290 are 11135 01:32:24.290 --> 01:32:25.130 unavoidably 11136 01:32:25.130 --> 01:32:26.090 unsafe 11137 01:32:26.360 --> 01:32:26.560 . 11138 01:32:26.560 --> 01:32:26.870 And 11139 01:32:26.990 --> 01:32:27.380 you'll say 11140 01:32:27.380 --> 01:32:27.620 that to 11141 01:32:27.620 --> 01:32:28.100 anyone in 11142 01:32:28.100 --> 01:32:28.430 the world, 11143 01:32:28.430 --> 01:32:28.820 like any 11144 01:32:28.820 --> 01:32:29.180 friend, 11145 01:32:29.180 --> 01:32:29.600 you say, 11146 01:32:29.810 --> 01:32:30.170 you know, 11147 01:32:30.170 --> 01:32:30.380 the 11148 01:32:30.380 --> 01:32:30.800 Supreme 11149 01:32:30.800 --> 01:32:31.160 Court has 11150 01:32:31.160 --> 01:32:31.580 admitted, 11151 01:32:31.580 --> 01:32:32.270 vaccines 11152 01:32:32.270 --> 01:32:32.450 are 11153 01:32:32.450 --> 01:32:33.710 unavoidably 11154 01:32:33.710 --> 01:32:34.460 unsafe. 11155 01:32:34.460 --> 01:32:34.940 So this 11156 01:32:34.940 --> 01:32:35.420 statement 11157 01:32:35.420 --> 01:32:35.810 that all 11158 01:32:35.810 --> 01:32:36.260 vaccines 11159 01:32:36.260 --> 01:32:36.740 are safe and 11160 01:32:36.740 --> 01:32:37.580 effective 11161 01:32:37.580 --> 01:32:38.270 should 11162 01:32:38.270 --> 01:32:38.720 really be 11163 01:32:38.720 --> 01:32:39.080 erased 11164 01:32:39.080 --> 01:32:39.470 by that 11165 01:32:39.470 --> 01:32:40.020 statement, 11166 01:32:40.020 --> 01:32:40.370 but what 11167 01:32:40.370 --> 01:32:40.790 they mean 11168 01:32:40.790 --> 01:32:41.180 it as 11169 01:32:41.180 --> 01:32:41.390 is, 11170 01:32:41.390 --> 01:32:41.810 therefore, 11171 01:32:41.810 --> 01:32:41.960 you 11172 01:32:41.960 --> 01:32:42.380 cannot 11173 01:32:42.380 --> 01:32:42.800 sue these 11174 01:32:42.800 --> 01:32:43.550 manufacturers. 11175 01:32:43.550 --> 01:32:43.910 It's not 11176 01:32:43.910 --> 01:32:44.150 their 11177 01:32:44.150 --> 01:32:44.800 fault, 11178 01:32:44.800 --> 01:32:45.050 the 11179 01:32:45.050 --> 01:32:45.500 nature 11180 01:32:45.500 --> 01:32:45.830 of this 11181 01:32:45.830 --> 01:32:46.280 product 11182 01:32:46.280 --> 01:32:46.580 means 11183 01:32:46.580 --> 01:32:47.060 some people 11184 01:32:47.060 --> 01:32:47.300 will be 11185 01:32:47.300 --> 01:32:47.660 injured 11186 01:32:47.660 --> 01:32:48.140 . 11187 01:32:48.140 --> 01:32:48.590 Right. So I'm going to 11188 01:32:48.590 --> 01:32:49.040 go to the 11189 01:32:49.040 --> 01:32:49.850 Waxman 11190 01:32:49.850 --> 01:32:51.260 statement, 11191 01:32:51.260 --> 01:32:51.500 in 11192 01:32:51.500 --> 01:32:51.980 March 11193 01:32:51.980 --> 01:32:52.160 of 11194 01:32:52.160 --> 01:32:53.600 1987. 11195 01:32:53.600 --> 01:32:54.110 So 11196 01:32:54.110 --> 01:32:54.470 here we 11197 01:32:54.470 --> 01:32:54.950 are in this 11198 01:32:54.980 --> 01:32:55.370 year, 11199 01:32:55.370 --> 01:32:55.820 after the 11200 01:32:55.820 --> 01:32:56.300 law has been 11201 01:32:56.300 --> 01:32:56.720 passed 11202 01:32:56.720 --> 01:32:56.930 and the 11203 01:32:56.930 --> 01:32:57.410 companies 11204 01:32:57.410 --> 01:32:57.650 and the 11205 01:32:57.650 --> 01:32:58.040 doctors 11206 01:32:58.040 --> 01:32:58.190 are 11207 01:32:58.190 --> 01:32:58.640 screaming, 11208 01:32:58.640 --> 01:32:59.030 we need 11209 01:32:59.030 --> 01:32:59.630 liability 11210 01:32:59.630 --> 01:33:00.440 protection, 11211 01:33:00.440 --> 01:33:00.710 you 11212 01:33:00.710 --> 01:33:01.190 didn't do 11213 01:33:01.190 --> 01:33:01.550 it. 11214 01:33:01.550 --> 01:33:02.120 So 11215 01:33:02.120 --> 01:33:02.600 Waxman 11216 01:33:02.600 --> 01:33:03.080 says in 11217 01:33:03.080 --> 01:33:03.230 his 11218 01:33:03.230 --> 01:33:03.620 statement, 11219 01:33:03.620 --> 01:33:04.040 he says a 11220 01:33:04.040 --> 01:33:04.280 lot of 11221 01:33:04.280 --> 01:33:04.890 things, 11222 01:33:04.890 --> 01:33:05.270 but he 11223 01:33:05.270 --> 01:33:05.840 said 11224 01:33:05.840 --> 01:33:06.320 in his 11225 01:33:06.320 --> 01:33:07.100 statement, 11226 01:33:07.100 --> 01:33:07.610 they're 11227 01:33:07.610 --> 01:33:08.150 inherently 11228 01:33:08.150 --> 01:33:08.930 unsafe. 11229 01:33:10.430 --> 01:33:10.880 That's what he 11230 01:33:10.880 --> 01:33:11.480 says. 11231 01:33:12.180 --> 01:33:12.570 And 11232 01:33:12.570 --> 01:33:12.870 then he 11233 01:33:12.870 --> 01:33:13.260 says, "If 11234 01:33:13.260 --> 01:33:13.410 an 11235 01:33:13.410 --> 01:33:13.770 injury 11236 01:33:13.770 --> 01:33:14.040 is the 11237 01:33:14.040 --> 01:33:14.520 result 11238 01:33:14.520 --> 01:33:14.790 of a 11239 01:33:14.790 --> 01:33:15.090 bad 11240 01:33:15.090 --> 01:33:15.660 vaccine, 11241 01:33:15.660 --> 01:33:15.840 or 11242 01:33:15.840 --> 01:33:16.320 one 11243 01:33:16.320 --> 01:33:17.310 inadequately 11244 01:33:17.310 --> 01:33:17.970 researched 11245 01:33:17.970 --> 01:33:18.270 or 11246 01:33:18.270 --> 01:33:18.540 warned 11247 01:33:18.570 --> 01:33:19.230 of, 11248 01:33:19.500 --> 01:33:19.980 then the 11249 01:33:19.980 --> 01:33:20.340 courts 11250 01:33:20.340 --> 01:33:20.610 could 11251 01:33:20.610 --> 01:33:21.090 still make 11252 01:33:21.090 --> 01:33:21.870 awards." 11253 01:33:24.700 --> 01:33:25.180 And 11254 01:33:25.180 --> 01:33:25.300 he 11255 01:33:25.300 --> 01:33:25.750 says 11256 01:33:25.750 --> 01:33:26.140 about 11257 01:33:26.140 --> 01:33:26.260 the 11258 01:33:26.260 --> 01:33:26.680 tax 11259 01:33:26.680 --> 01:33:26.890 on the 11260 01:33:26.890 --> 01:33:27.460 vaccines 11261 01:33:27.460 --> 01:33:27.790 that will 11262 01:33:27.790 --> 01:33:28.180 fund the 11263 01:33:28.180 --> 01:33:28.570 vaccine 11264 01:33:28.570 --> 01:33:29.490 program, 11265 01:33:29.490 --> 01:33:29.860 "The 11266 01:33:29.860 --> 01:33:30.250 tax 11267 01:33:30.250 --> 01:33:30.520 was to 11268 01:33:30.520 --> 01:33:31.090 be 11269 01:33:31.090 --> 01:33:31.480 set 11270 01:33:31.480 --> 01:33:31.780 by 11271 01:33:31.780 --> 01:33:32.320 how 11272 01:33:32.320 --> 01:33:33.640 dangerous 11273 01:33:33.790 --> 01:33:34.270 each 11274 01:33:34.270 --> 01:33:34.720 type of 11275 01:33:34.720 --> 01:33:35.350 vaccine 11276 01:33:35.350 --> 01:33:35.800 is known 11277 01:33:35.800 --> 01:33:35.890 to 11278 01:33:35.890 --> 01:33:36.460 be." 11279 01:33:38.760 --> 01:33:39.210 And 11280 01:33:39.210 --> 01:33:39.510 then he 11281 01:33:39.510 --> 01:33:39.870 says, 11282 01:33:39.870 --> 01:33:40.050 "The 11283 01:33:40.050 --> 01:33:40.470 act 11284 01:33:40.470 --> 01:33:40.980 was 11285 01:33:40.980 --> 01:33:41.430 no one's 11286 01:33:41.430 --> 01:33:41.760 first 11287 01:33:41.760 --> 01:33:42.660 choice. 11288 01:33:42.870 --> 01:33:43.320 The 11289 01:33:43.320 --> 01:33:43.740 parents 11290 01:33:43.740 --> 01:33:44.010 group 11291 01:33:44.010 --> 01:33:44.370 wanted 11292 01:33:44.370 --> 01:33:44.700 fewer 11293 01:33:44.700 --> 01:33:45.300 restrictions 11294 01:33:45.300 --> 01:33:45.480 on 11295 01:33:45.480 --> 01:33:46.140 litigation 11296 01:33:46.140 --> 01:33:46.500 and more 11297 01:33:46.500 --> 01:33:46.920 children 11298 01:33:46.920 --> 01:33:47.430 eligible 11299 01:33:47.430 --> 01:33:47.580 for 11300 01:33:47.580 --> 01:33:48.690 compensation. 11301 01:33:48.720 --> 01:33:49.170 The 11302 01:33:49.170 --> 01:33:50.010 manufacturers 11303 01:33:50.010 --> 01:33:50.490 wanted more 11304 01:33:50.490 --> 01:33:51.030 protections 11305 01:33:51.030 --> 01:33:51.510 from tort 11306 01:33:51.510 --> 01:33:51.990 action 11307 01:33:51.990 --> 01:33:52.380 and 11308 01:33:52.380 --> 01:33:52.650 less 11309 01:33:52.650 --> 01:33:53.400 specificity 11310 01:33:53.400 --> 01:33:53.760 about 11311 01:33:53.760 --> 01:33:54.720 awards." 11312 01:33:54.750 --> 01:33:55.200 They 11313 01:33:55.200 --> 01:33:55.500 all 11314 01:33:55.500 --> 01:33:55.980 wanted to 11315 01:33:55.980 --> 01:33:56.340 limit the 11316 01:33:56.340 --> 01:33:57.090 awards. 11317 01:33:57.360 --> 01:33:57.690 "The 11318 01:33:57.690 --> 01:33:58.140 doctors 11319 01:33:58.140 --> 01:33:58.500 wanted to 11320 01:33:58.500 --> 01:33:58.800 close 11321 01:33:58.800 --> 01:33:59.010 off 11322 01:33:59.010 --> 01:33:59.670 malpractice 11323 01:33:59.670 --> 01:34:00.480 lawsuits." 11324 01:34:01.380 --> 01:34:02.940 Again, 11325 01:34:02.940 --> 01:34:04.490 everyone 11326 01:34:04.490 --> 01:34:04.850 knew 11327 01:34:04.850 --> 01:34:05.330 that the law 11328 01:34:05.330 --> 01:34:05.810 didn't 11329 01:34:05.810 --> 01:34:06.410 give 11330 01:34:06.410 --> 01:34:06.800 total 11331 01:34:06.800 --> 01:34:07.250 liability 11332 01:34:07.250 --> 01:34:07.820 protection, 11333 01:34:08.630 --> 01:34:09.170 "But 11334 01:34:09.170 --> 01:34:09.680 almost 11335 01:34:09.680 --> 01:34:10.280 everyone 11336 01:34:10.280 --> 01:34:10.760 agrees 11337 01:34:10.760 --> 01:34:11.060 that the 11338 01:34:11.060 --> 01:34:11.810 Compensation 11339 01:34:11.810 --> 01:34:12.260 Act would 11340 01:34:12.260 --> 01:34:12.410 be 11341 01:34:12.410 --> 01:34:13.040 better 11342 01:34:13.040 --> 01:34:13.520 than the 11343 01:34:13.520 --> 01:34:13.820 current 11344 01:34:13.820 --> 01:34:14.690 problems." 11345 01:34:15.620 --> 01:34:17.060 Now, 11346 01:34:17.060 --> 01:34:17.540 we 11347 01:34:17.540 --> 01:34:17.810 didn't 11348 01:34:17.810 --> 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01:34:52.270 --> 01:34:52.660 who had 11414 01:34:52.660 --> 01:34:53.140 supported 11415 01:34:53.140 --> 01:34:53.320 the 11416 01:34:53.320 --> 01:34:53.980 law 11417 01:34:54.010 --> 01:34:54.490 would 11418 01:34:54.490 --> 01:34:54.970 come in and 11419 01:34:54.970 --> 01:34:55.600 participate 11420 01:34:55.600 --> 01:34:55.840 in the 11421 01:34:55.840 --> 01:34:56.290 weakening 11422 01:34:56.290 --> 01:34:56.470 of 11423 01:34:56.470 --> 01:34:57.070 it. 11424 01:34:57.550 --> 01:34:57.940 We 11425 01:34:57.940 --> 01:34:58.240 certainly 11426 01:34:58.240 --> 01:34:58.630 didn't think 11427 01:34:58.630 --> 01:34:58.750 the, 11428 01:34:59.020 --> 01:34:59.320 I'll 11429 01:34:59.320 --> 01:34:59.560 never 11430 01:34:59.560 --> 01:34:59.950 forget in 11431 01:34:59.950 --> 01:35:00.820 2011, 11432 01:35:01.960 --> 01:35:02.380 I was in my 11433 01:35:02.380 --> 01:35:03.390 car, 11434 01:35:03.390 --> 01:35:03.900 and 11435 01:35:03.900 --> 01:35:04.230 someone 11436 01:35:04.230 --> 01:35:04.680 called me and 11437 01:35:04.680 --> 01:35:05.040 said, 11438 01:35:05.040 --> 01:35:05.310 we 11439 01:35:05.310 --> 01:35:05.700 lost 11440 01:35:05.700 --> 01:35:06.420 Bruesewitz. 11441 01:35:07.560 --> 01:35:07.920 I 11442 01:35:07.920 --> 01:35:08.310 was just 11443 01:35:08.310 --> 01:35:09.150 stunned. 11444 01:35:09.570 --> 01:35:09.930 I 11445 01:35:09.930 --> 01:35:10.200 never 11446 01:35:10.200 --> 01:35:10.710 thought 11447 01:35:10.710 --> 01:35:11.070 that the 11448 01:35:11.070 --> 01:35:11.460 Supreme 11449 01:35:11.460 --> 01:35:11.970 Court 11450 01:35:11.970 --> 01:35:12.300 would 11451 01:35:12.300 --> 01:35:12.480 do 11452 01:35:12.480 --> 01:35:13.080 that. 11453 01:35:14.340 --> 01:35:15.270 So, 11454 01:35:15.270 --> 01:35:15.720 Del, you 11455 01:35:15.720 --> 01:35:16.410 know, 11456 01:35:16.410 --> 01:35:17.370 again, 11457 01:35:17.370 --> 01:35:17.760 I 11458 01:35:17.760 --> 01:35:18.060 really 11459 01:35:18.060 --> 01:35:18.480 feel 11460 01:35:18.480 --> 01:35:19.660 that 11461 01:35:19.660 --> 01:35:20.440 this 11462 01:35:20.440 --> 01:35:20.800 has come 11463 01:35:20.800 --> 01:35:21.130 down 11464 01:35:21.130 --> 01:35:21.400 to 11465 01:35:21.400 --> 01:35:22.180 an 11466 01:35:22.180 --> 01:35:22.810 ethical, 11467 01:35:22.810 --> 01:35:23.260 it's 11468 01:35:23.260 --> 01:35:23.380 a 11469 01:35:23.380 --> 01:35:23.800 moral 11470 01:35:23.800 --> 01:35:25.310 issue, 11471 01:35:25.310 --> 01:35:25.870 the 11472 01:35:25.870 --> 01:35:26.230 right 11473 01:35:26.230 --> 01:35:27.130 to. 11474 01:35:27.970 --> 01:35:28.330 I mean, the 11475 01:35:28.330 --> 01:35:28.750 choices 11476 01:35:28.750 --> 01:35:29.050 that we 11477 01:35:29.050 --> 01:35:30.750 make 11478 01:35:30.750 --> 01:35:31.320 in 11479 01:35:31.320 --> 01:35:31.530 this 11480 01:35:31.530 --> 01:35:32.340 life 11481 01:35:32.520 --> 01:35:33.360 about 11482 01:35:33.360 --> 01:35:33.810 risks 11483 01:35:33.810 --> 01:35:34.080 that 11484 01:35:34.080 --> 01:35:34.560 concern 11485 01:35:34.560 --> 01:35:34.710 our 11486 01:35:34.710 --> 01:35:35.130 physical 11487 01:35:35.130 --> 01:35:35.520 body 11488 01:35:35.520 --> 01:35:35.760 or the 11489 01:35:35.760 --> 01:35:36.240 bodies of 11490 01:35:36.240 --> 01:35:36.390 our 11491 01:35:36.390 --> 01:35:37.170 children 11492 01:35:37.170 --> 01:35:37.470 are 11493 01:35:37.470 --> 01:35:37.740 among the 11494 01:35:37.740 --> 01:35:38.010 most 11495 01:35:38.010 --> 01:35:38.400 important 11496 01:35:38.400 --> 01:35:38.820 choices 11497 01:35:38.820 --> 01:35:39.120 that we 11498 01:35:39.120 --> 01:35:39.810 make, 11499 01:35:40.020 --> 01:35:40.620 because 11500 01:35:40.620 --> 01:35:40.770 our 11501 01:35:40.770 --> 01:35:41.190 physical 11502 01:35:41.190 --> 01:35:42.000 body 11503 01:35:42.120 --> 01:35:42.810 houses 11504 01:35:42.810 --> 01:35:43.290 our mind 11505 01:35:43.290 --> 01:35:43.590 and our 11506 01:35:43.590 --> 01:35:44.190 soul. 11507 01:35:45.870 --> 01:35:46.560 And 11508 01:35:46.560 --> 01:35:47.040 if we 11509 01:35:47.040 --> 01:35:47.400 can't 11510 01:35:47.400 --> 01:35:47.640 make 11511 01:35:47.640 --> 01:35:48.570 choices 11512 01:35:48.690 --> 01:35:49.290 about 11513 01:35:49.290 --> 01:35:49.440 our 11514 01:35:49.440 --> 01:35:49.950 physical 11515 01:35:49.950 --> 01:35:50.490 body, 11516 01:35:50.490 --> 01:35:51.060 protection 11517 01:35:51.060 --> 01:35:51.540 of bodily 11518 01:35:51.540 --> 01:35:52.470 integrity, 11519 01:35:52.590 --> 01:35:53.610 autonomy, 11520 01:35:53.610 --> 01:35:53.970 we're 11521 01:35:53.970 --> 01:35:54.420 not free 11522 01:35:54.420 --> 01:35:54.720 in any 11523 01:35:54.720 --> 01:35:55.080 sense of 11524 01:35:55.080 --> 01:35:55.230 the 11525 01:35:55.230 --> 01:35:56.280 word. 11526 01:35:56.640 --> 01:35:57.300 I 11527 01:35:57.300 --> 01:35:57.630 say 11528 01:35:57.630 --> 01:35:58.380 publicly, 11529 01:35:58.380 --> 01:35:58.830 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--> 01:36:08.010 and his 11553 01:36:08.010 --> 01:36:08.880 pigs, 11554 01:36:08.880 --> 01:36:09.510 then 11555 01:36:09.510 --> 01:36:09.900 you are a 11556 01:36:09.900 --> 01:36:10.170 farm 11557 01:36:10.170 --> 01:36:10.620 animal. You 11558 01:36:10.620 --> 01:36:10.740 have 11559 01:36:10.740 --> 01:36:11.160 lost 11560 01:36:11.160 --> 01:36:11.520 any 11561 01:36:11.520 --> 01:36:11.870 freedom 11562 01:36:11.870 --> 01:36:12.300 there is. I 11563 01:36:12.300 --> 01:36:12.780 mean, forget 11564 01:36:12.780 --> 01:36:13.170 about the 11565 01:36:13.170 --> 01:36:13.620 freedom of 11566 01:36:13.620 --> 01:36:13.740 your 11567 01:36:13.740 --> 01:36:14.550 land, 11568 01:36:14.550 --> 01:36:15.030 your 11569 01:36:15.030 --> 01:36:15.690 airspace, 11570 01:36:15.690 --> 01:36:16.170 your land 11571 01:36:16.170 --> 01:36:16.650 space, 11572 01:36:16.650 --> 01:36:16.860 your 11573 01:36:16.860 --> 01:36:17.220 water 11574 01:36:17.220 --> 01:36:17.640 rights, 11575 01:36:17.640 --> 01:36:18.120 what difference 11576 01:36:18.120 --> 01:36:18.480 does any meant 11577 01:36:18.720 --> 01:36:19.050 when 11578 01:36:19.050 --> 01:36:19.500 you can't 11579 01:36:19.500 --> 01:36:19.890 control 11580 01:36:19.890 --> 01:36:20.010 the 11581 01:36:20.010 --> 01:36:20.400 water 11582 01:36:20.400 --> 01:36:20.850 of your own 11583 01:36:20.850 --> 01:36:21.150 body 11584 01:36:21.150 --> 01:36:21.650 flowing through you, 11585 01:36:21.650 --> 01:36:22.020 you know, your 11586 01:36:22.020 --> 01:36:22.440 blood, 11587 01:36:22.440 --> 01:36:22.930 all of that, 11588 01:36:22.930 --> 01:36:23.280 you have no 11589 01:36:23.280 --> 01:36:23.730 control over 11590 01:36:23.730 --> 01:36:24.270 that, 11591 01:36:24.270 --> 01:36:24.720 you're not 11592 01:36:24.720 --> 01:36:24.960 a free 11593 01:36:24.960 --> 01:36:25.590 person. 11594 01:36:25.590 --> 01:36:26.040 And 11595 01:36:26.040 --> 01:36:26.490 that's why 11596 01:36:26.490 --> 01:36:26.760 I will 11597 01:36:26.760 --> 01:36:27.030 fight 11598 01:36:27.030 --> 01:36:27.660 this 11599 01:36:27.660 --> 01:36:28.320 till 11600 01:36:28.320 --> 01:36:28.770 you know the 11601 01:36:28.770 --> 01:36:29.220 day that I 11602 01:36:29.220 --> 01:36:29.670 die. This is 11603 01:36:29.670 --> 01:36:29.940 the most 11604 01:36:29.940 --> 01:36:30.300 important 11605 01:36:30.300 --> 01:36:30.630 issue, I 11606 01:36:30.630 --> 01:36:30.960 think, 11607 01:36:30.960 --> 01:36:31.140 in 11608 01:36:31.140 --> 01:36:31.980 humanity. 11609 01:36:31.980 --> 01:36:32.310 I 11610 01:36:32.310 --> 01:36:32.760 agree with 11611 01:36:32.760 --> 01:36:33.210 you, Del. 11612 01:36:33.210 --> 01:36:33.390 I 11613 01:36:33.390 --> 01:36:33.750 remember, 11614 01:36:33.750 --> 01:36:34.110 I 11615 01:36:34.110 --> 01:36:34.440 always 11616 01:36:34.440 --> 01:36:34.860 quote 11617 01:36:34.860 --> 01:36:35.220 Albert 11618 01:36:35.220 --> 01:36:35.730 Einstein 11619 01:36:35.730 --> 01:36:36.210 who said in 11620 01:36:36.210 --> 01:36:36.660 the 30s 11621 01:36:36.660 --> 01:36:36.930 and he 11622 01:36:36.930 --> 01:36:37.260 risked 11623 01:36:37.260 --> 01:36:37.860 arrest 11624 01:36:38.220 --> 01:36:38.670 to 11625 01:36:38.670 --> 01:36:38.880 say 11626 01:36:38.880 --> 01:36:39.240 something 11627 01:36:39.240 --> 01:36:39.480 like 11628 01:36:39.480 --> 01:36:39.870 this, he 11629 01:36:39.870 --> 01:36:40.110 said, 11630 01:36:40.110 --> 01:36:40.440 "Never 11631 01:36:40.440 --> 01:36:40.620 do 11632 01:36:40.620 --> 01:36:41.070 anything 11633 01:36:41.070 --> 01:36:41.460 against 11634 01:36:41.460 --> 01:36:42.210 conscience, 11635 01:36:42.210 --> 01:36:42.750 even 11636 01:36:42.750 --> 01:36:43.050 if the 11637 01:36:43.050 --> 01:36:43.440 state 11638 01:36:43.440 --> 01:36:43.980 demands 11639 01:36:43.980 --> 01:36:44.370 it." 11640 01:36:45.360 --> 01:36:45.810 And 11641 01:36:45.810 --> 01:36:46.230 I 11642 01:36:46.230 --> 01:36:46.920 said, 11643 01:36:46.920 --> 01:36:47.340 the quote 11644 01:36:47.340 --> 01:36:47.580 that I'm 11645 01:36:47.580 --> 01:36:47.880 probably 11646 01:36:47.880 --> 01:36:48.120 known 11647 01:36:48.120 --> 01:36:48.420 for 11648 01:36:48.420 --> 01:36:48.840 most 11649 01:36:48.840 --> 01:36:49.170 is, 11650 01:36:49.170 --> 01:36:49.500 if the 11651 01:36:49.500 --> 01:36:49.830 state 11652 01:36:49.830 --> 01:36:50.070 can 11653 01:36:50.070 --> 01:36:50.730 tag, 11654 01:36:50.760 --> 01:36:51.270 track 11655 01:36:51.270 --> 01:36:51.960 down 11656 01:36:51.960 --> 01:36:52.320 and 11657 01:36:52.320 --> 01:36:52.620 force 11658 01:36:52.620 --> 01:36:53.310 individuals 11659 01:36:53.310 --> 01:36:53.490 to 11660 01:36:53.490 --> 01:36:53.820 be 11661 01:36:53.820 --> 01:36:54.210 injected 11662 01:36:54.210 --> 01:36:54.390 with 11663 01:36:54.390 --> 01:36:55.560 biologicals 11664 01:36:55.560 --> 01:36:55.860 of 11665 01:36:55.860 --> 01:36:56.250 known 11666 01:36:56.250 --> 01:36:56.520 and 11667 01:36:56.520 --> 01:36:56.880 unknown 11668 01:36:56.880 --> 01:36:57.480 toxicity 11669 01:36:57.480 --> 01:36:58.110 today, 11670 01:36:58.110 --> 01:36:58.560 then 11671 01:36:58.560 --> 01:36:58.830 there 11672 01:36:58.830 --> 01:36:59.250 will be 11673 01:36:59.250 --> 01:36:59.460 no 11674 01:36:59.460 --> 01:37:00.030 limit 11675 01:37:00.030 --> 01:37:00.360 on 11676 01:37:00.360 --> 01:37:00.570 which 11677 01:37:00.600 --> 01:37:01.110 individual 11678 01:37:01.110 --> 01:37:01.770 freedoms 11679 01:37:01.770 --> 01:37:02.190 the state 11680 01:37:02.190 --> 01:37:02.550 can take 11681 01:37:02.550 --> 01:37:03.150 away 11682 01:37:03.150 --> 01:37:03.450 in the 11683 01:37:03.450 --> 01:37:03.870 name of the 11684 01:37:03.870 --> 01:37:04.170 greater 11685 01:37:04.170 --> 01:37:04.440 good 11686 01:37:04.440 --> 01:37:05.130 tomorrow. 11687 01:37:06.790 --> 01:37:07.240 If 11688 01:37:07.240 --> 01:37:07.510 we 11689 01:37:07.510 --> 01:37:08.140 cannot 11690 01:37:08.140 --> 01:37:08.440 make 11691 01:37:08.440 --> 01:37:08.680 these 11692 01:37:08.680 --> 01:37:09.430 choices, 11693 01:37:09.430 --> 01:37:09.790 we're 11694 01:37:09.790 --> 01:37:10.240 not, 11695 01:37:10.240 --> 01:37:10.630 as I 11696 01:37:10.630 --> 01:37:11.080 said, free 11697 01:37:11.080 --> 01:37:11.350 in any 11698 01:37:11.350 --> 01:37:11.740 sense of the 11699 01:37:11.740 --> 01:37:12.160 word, and 11700 01:37:12.160 --> 01:37:12.730 I'm 11701 01:37:12.730 --> 01:37:13.390 really 11702 01:37:13.390 --> 01:37:13.750 glad 11703 01:37:13.750 --> 01:37:14.140 that when 11704 01:37:14.140 --> 01:37:14.320 you 11705 01:37:14.320 --> 01:37:14.710 created 11706 01:37:14.710 --> 01:37:14.890 your 11707 01:37:14.890 --> 01:37:16.150 organization, 11708 01:37:16.150 --> 01:37:16.540 you know, 11709 01:37:16.540 --> 01:37:16.720 that 11710 01:37:16.720 --> 01:37:17.200 you 11711 01:37:17.200 --> 01:37:17.680 put the word 11712 01:37:17.680 --> 01:37:18.010 informed 11713 01:37:18.010 --> 01:37:18.370 consent 11714 01:37:18.370 --> 01:37:18.940 in. 11715 01:37:19.270 --> 01:37:19.810 Informed 11716 01:37:19.810 --> 01:37:20.440 consent 11717 01:37:20.440 --> 01:37:21.310 became 11718 01:37:21.310 --> 01:37:22.090 my 11719 01:37:22.090 --> 01:37:22.570 sort of 11720 01:37:22.570 --> 01:37:23.350 rationale 11721 01:37:23.350 --> 01:37:23.530 or 11722 01:37:23.530 --> 01:37:23.860 reason, 11723 01:37:23.860 --> 01:37:24.340 raison 11724 01:37:24.340 --> 01:37:25.090 d'etre 11725 01:37:25.240 --> 01:37:25.510 . 11726 01:37:25.510 --> 01:37:25.780 In 11727 01:37:25.780 --> 01:37:27.040 1996 11728 01:37:27.040 --> 01:37:27.400 when 11729 01:37:27.400 --> 01:37:27.820 I went to 11730 01:37:27.820 --> 01:37:27.910 the 11731 01:37:27.910 --> 01:37:28.390 Holocaust 11732 01:37:28.390 --> 01:37:30.090 Museum, 11733 01:37:30.090 --> 01:37:30.650 and 11734 01:37:30.650 --> 01:37:31.070 I went to 11735 01:37:31.070 --> 01:37:31.430 the first 11736 01:37:31.430 --> 01:37:31.880 conference 11737 01:37:31.880 --> 01:37:32.150 that they 11738 01:37:32.150 --> 01:37:32.600 held at the 11739 01:37:32.600 --> 01:37:33.080 Holocaust 11740 01:37:33.080 --> 01:37:33.680 Museum, 11741 01:37:33.680 --> 01:37:34.130 and it was 11742 01:37:34.130 --> 01:37:34.640 about 11743 01:37:34.640 --> 01:37:35.060 pre-war 11744 01:37:35.060 --> 01:37:35.780 Germany 11745 01:37:35.780 --> 01:37:36.200 and 11746 01:37:36.200 --> 01:37:36.500 how the 11747 01:37:36.500 --> 01:37:36.980 public health 11748 01:37:36.980 --> 01:37:37.430 community 11749 01:37:37.430 --> 01:37:37.640 and the 11750 01:37:37.640 --> 01:37:37.940 medical 11751 01:37:37.940 --> 01:37:38.720 community 11752 01:37:38.720 --> 01:37:39.140 had 11753 01:37:39.140 --> 01:37:39.590 worked with 11754 01:37:39.590 --> 01:37:40.310 government, 11755 01:37:40.310 --> 01:37:40.730 the Third 11756 01:37:40.730 --> 01:37:42.190 Reich, 11757 01:37:42.190 --> 01:37:42.550 to 11758 01:37:42.550 --> 01:37:42.910 do what 11759 01:37:42.910 --> 01:37:43.090 was 11760 01:37:43.090 --> 01:37:43.660 done 11761 01:37:43.840 --> 01:37:44.200 during the 11762 01:37:44.200 --> 01:37:45.010 Holocaust. 11763 01:37:46.110 --> 01:37:46.560 And 11764 01:37:46.560 --> 01:37:46.860 I 11765 01:37:46.860 --> 01:37:47.160 sat 11766 01:37:47.160 --> 01:37:47.490 there 11767 01:37:47.490 --> 01:37:47.730 in 11768 01:37:47.760 --> 01:37:48.000 that 11769 01:37:48.000 --> 01:37:50.470 room, 11770 01:37:50.470 --> 01:37:51.530 and 11771 01:37:51.530 --> 01:37:51.830 I 11772 01:37:51.830 --> 01:37:53.120 realized, 11773 01:37:53.420 --> 01:37:53.660 uh. 11774 01:37:55.210 --> 01:37:55.900 I 11775 01:37:55.900 --> 01:37:56.260 was sick 11776 01:37:56.260 --> 01:37:56.500 for a 11777 01:37:56.500 --> 01:37:57.100 week 11778 01:37:57.100 --> 01:37:57.550 after 11779 01:37:57.550 --> 01:37:57.760 that 11780 01:37:57.760 --> 01:37:58.510 conference. 11781 01:37:58.510 --> 01:37:58.960 I was 11782 01:37:58.960 --> 01:37:59.320 sick in 11783 01:37:59.320 --> 01:37:59.800 bed for a 11784 01:37:59.800 --> 01:38:00.490 week. 11785 01:38:00.850 --> 01:38:01.300 I 11786 01:38:01.300 --> 01:38:01.750 had come 11787 01:38:01.750 --> 01:38:02.050 out of the 11788 01:38:02.050 --> 01:38:02.470 conference 11789 01:38:02.470 --> 01:38:02.770 and I 11790 01:38:02.770 --> 01:38:03.040 looked 11791 01:38:03.040 --> 01:38:03.430 up 11792 01:38:03.430 --> 01:38:03.910 at the 11793 01:38:03.940 --> 01:38:05.620 inscriptions 11794 01:38:05.620 --> 01:38:05.860 on 11795 01:38:05.860 --> 01:38:06.280 the 11796 01:38:06.280 --> 01:38:06.880 ceiling, 11797 01:38:06.880 --> 01:38:07.360 and 11798 01:38:07.360 --> 01:38:07.840 one of them 11799 01:38:07.840 --> 01:38:08.410 said, 11800 01:38:08.410 --> 01:38:08.770 the 11801 01:38:08.770 --> 01:38:09.400 first 11802 01:38:09.400 --> 01:38:09.670 to 11803 01:38:09.670 --> 01:38:10.090 perish 11804 01:38:10.090 --> 01:38:10.330 were the 11805 01:38:10.330 --> 01:38:11.110 children. 11806 01:38:11.500 --> 01:38:12.070 From 11807 01:38:12.070 --> 01:38:12.460 these a 11808 01:38:12.460 --> 01:38:12.670 new 11809 01:38:12.670 --> 01:38:12.970 dawn 11810 01:38:12.970 --> 01:38:13.300 might have 11811 01:38:13.300 --> 01:38:13.870 risen. 11812 01:38:14.940 --> 01:38:15.330 And 11813 01:38:15.330 --> 01:38:15.750 I thought to 11814 01:38:15.750 --> 01:38:16.680 myself, 11815 01:38:16.710 --> 01:38:17.280 there 11816 01:38:17.280 --> 01:38:17.670 is no 11817 01:38:17.670 --> 01:38:18.390 difference. 11818 01:38:18.390 --> 01:38:19.020 Yes, 11819 01:38:19.020 --> 01:38:19.140 the 11820 01:38:19.140 --> 01:38:19.590 Nuremberg 11821 01:38:19.590 --> 01:38:19.890 Code 11822 01:38:19.890 --> 01:38:20.190 was 11823 01:38:20.190 --> 01:38:20.670 about 11824 01:38:20.670 --> 01:38:21.360 scientific 11825 01:38:21.360 --> 01:38:22.710 experimentation 11826 01:38:22.920 --> 01:38:23.460 on 11827 01:38:23.460 --> 01:38:23.790 human 11828 01:38:23.790 --> 01:38:24.540 beings. 11829 01:38:24.990 --> 01:38:25.410 That was 11830 01:38:25.410 --> 01:38:25.650 what the 11831 01:38:25.650 --> 01:38:26.070 Nuremberg 11832 01:38:26.070 --> 01:38:26.340 Code 11833 01:38:26.340 --> 01:38:26.730 after the 11834 01:38:26.730 --> 01:38:27.120 doctor's 11835 01:38:27.120 --> 01:38:27.600 trial was 11836 01:38:27.600 --> 01:38:28.140 about. 11837 01:38:29.160 --> 01:38:29.610 But 11838 01:38:29.610 --> 01:38:29.910 after 11839 01:38:29.910 --> 01:38:30.210 that 11840 01:38:30.210 --> 01:38:30.540 code 11841 01:38:30.540 --> 01:38:30.840 was 11842 01:38:30.840 --> 01:38:31.170 was 11843 01:38:31.170 --> 01:38:32.440 issued, 11844 01:38:32.440 --> 01:38:32.860 the 11845 01:38:32.860 --> 01:38:33.220 informed 11846 01:38:33.220 --> 01:38:33.640 consent 11847 01:38:33.640 --> 01:38:34.210 principle 11848 01:38:34.210 --> 01:38:34.960 became 11849 01:38:34.960 --> 01:38:35.260 the 11850 01:38:35.260 --> 01:38:35.830 central 11851 01:38:35.830 --> 01:38:36.250 ethical 11852 01:38:36.250 --> 01:38:36.820 principle 11853 01:38:36.820 --> 01:38:37.060 of the 11854 01:38:37.060 --> 01:38:37.480 practice 11855 01:38:37.480 --> 01:38:37.900 of modern 11856 01:38:37.900 --> 01:38:38.470 medicine. 11857 01:38:38.470 --> 01:38:38.650 All 11858 01:38:38.650 --> 01:38:39.190 medicine, 11859 01:38:39.190 --> 01:38:39.280 I 11860 01:38:39.280 --> 01:38:39.760 agree. 11861 01:38:39.880 --> 01:38:40.660 Including 11862 01:38:40.660 --> 01:38:40.870 for 11863 01:38:40.870 --> 01:38:41.320 patients. 11864 01:38:41.320 --> 01:38:41.710 Now they're 11865 01:38:41.710 --> 01:38:42.040 trying to 11866 01:38:42.040 --> 01:38:42.430 say that's 11867 01:38:42.430 --> 01:38:42.670 not 11868 01:38:42.670 --> 01:38:43.240 true. 11869 01:38:43.780 --> 01:38:44.260 There was an 11870 01:38:44.260 --> 01:38:44.620 article 11871 01:38:44.620 --> 01:38:45.010 written a 11872 01:38:45.010 --> 01:38:45.400 couple of 11873 01:38:45.400 --> 01:38:45.880 years, during 11874 01:38:45.880 --> 01:38:45.970 the 11875 01:38:45.970 --> 01:38:46.570 pandemic 11876 01:38:46.570 --> 01:38:47.350 saying 11877 01:38:47.350 --> 01:38:47.830 that 11878 01:38:47.830 --> 01:38:48.040 I 11879 01:38:48.040 --> 01:38:48.340 had 11880 01:38:48.340 --> 01:38:48.820 tried to 11881 01:38:48.820 --> 01:38:49.300 make the 11882 01:38:49.780 --> 01:38:50.110 false 11883 01:38:50.110 --> 01:38:51.070 equivalency 11884 01:38:51.070 --> 01:38:52.060 between 11885 01:38:52.060 --> 01:38:52.660 scientific 11886 01:38:52.660 --> 01:38:53.530 experimentation 11887 01:38:53.530 --> 01:38:53.650 on 11888 01:38:53.650 --> 01:38:54.280 children 11889 01:38:54.280 --> 01:38:54.760 and 11890 01:38:54.760 --> 01:38:55.240 practice 11891 01:38:55.240 --> 01:38:55.360 of 11892 01:38:55.360 --> 01:38:56.080 medicine. 11893 01:38:56.470 --> 01:38:57.010 No 11894 01:38:57.010 --> 01:38:57.220 .. 11895 01:38:57.220 --> 01:38:57.640 No, it says it 11896 01:38:57.640 --> 01:38:58.320 all. 11897 01:38:58.320 --> 01:38:58.780 How is 11898 01:38:58.780 --> 01:38:59.110 it not an 11899 01:38:59.110 --> 01:38:59.710 experiment 11900 01:38:59.710 --> 01:38:59.950 if the 11901 01:38:59.950 --> 01:39:00.340 product 11902 01:39:00.340 --> 01:39:00.760 hasn't been 11903 01:39:00.760 --> 01:39:01.000 through a 11904 01:39:01.000 --> 01:39:01.330 safety 11905 01:39:01.330 --> 01:39:01.780 trial, which 11906 01:39:01.780 --> 01:39:02.110 it has 11907 01:39:02.110 --> 01:39:02.560 not? 11908 01:39:02.560 --> 01:39:03.160 So 11909 01:39:03.160 --> 01:39:03.550 this is an 11910 01:39:03.550 --> 01:39:04.120 experimental 11911 01:39:04.120 --> 01:39:04.540 product, no 11912 01:39:04.540 --> 01:39:05.020 matter how 11913 01:39:05.020 --> 01:39:05.200 you 11914 01:39:05.200 --> 01:39:05.590 slice 11915 01:39:05.590 --> 01:39:05.950 it. 11916 01:39:05.950 --> 01:39:06.460 And 11917 01:39:06.460 --> 01:39:06.670 this 11918 01:39:06.670 --> 01:39:07.510 experimental 11919 01:39:07.510 --> 01:39:07.750 on 11920 01:39:07.750 --> 01:39:08.230 people 11921 01:39:08.230 --> 01:39:08.770 that, 11922 01:39:08.770 --> 01:39:09.250 you know, 11923 01:39:09.250 --> 01:39:09.400 we 11924 01:39:09.400 --> 01:39:09.790 didn't, 11925 01:39:09.790 --> 01:39:10.090 you know, 11926 01:39:10.090 --> 01:39:10.390 even 11927 01:39:10.390 --> 01:39:10.870 COVID, we 11928 01:39:10.870 --> 01:39:11.170 watched the 11929 01:39:11.170 --> 01:39:11.410 same 11930 01:39:11.410 --> 01:39:11.920 thing. 11931 01:39:11.920 --> 01:39:12.250 You 11932 01:39:12.250 --> 01:39:12.550 didn't 11933 01:39:12.550 --> 01:39:12.880 have 11934 01:39:12.880 --> 01:39:13.240 obese 11935 01:39:13.240 --> 01:39:13.690 people in 11936 01:39:13.690 --> 01:39:13.840 your 11937 01:39:13.840 --> 01:39:14.260 trials. 11938 01:39:14.260 --> 01:39:14.620 You didn't 11939 01:39:14.620 --> 01:39:15.100 have pregnant 11940 01:39:15.100 --> 01:39:15.550 people, but 11941 01:39:15.550 --> 01:39:15.880 you, 11942 01:39:15.880 --> 01:39:16.360 when as soon 11943 01:39:16.360 --> 01:39:16.540 as the 11944 01:39:16.540 --> 01:39:16.990 vaccine 11945 01:39:16.990 --> 01:39:17.260 was 11946 01:39:17.260 --> 01:39:18.070 available, 11947 01:39:18.070 --> 01:39:18.430 you 11948 01:39:18.430 --> 01:39:18.880 told them it 11949 01:39:18.880 --> 01:39:19.330 was safe for 11950 01:39:19.330 --> 01:39:19.720 them and you 11951 01:39:19.720 --> 01:39:20.050 had no 11952 01:39:20.050 --> 01:39:20.470 idea that 11953 01:39:20.470 --> 01:39:20.890 that was the case. 11954 01:39:21.460 --> 01:39:21.940 And I 11955 01:39:21.940 --> 01:39:22.090 would 11956 01:39:22.090 --> 01:39:22.450 also 11957 01:39:22.450 --> 01:39:22.900 say, and 11958 01:39:22.900 --> 01:39:23.320 I'll take it 11959 01:39:23.320 --> 01:39:23.680 a step 11960 01:39:23.680 --> 01:39:24.640 further, 11961 01:39:24.640 --> 01:39:25.300 which 11962 01:39:25.300 --> 01:39:25.660 is 11963 01:39:25.870 --> 01:39:26.170 to your 11964 01:39:26.170 --> 01:39:26.560 point, 11965 01:39:26.560 --> 01:39:26.920 though. The 11966 01:39:26.920 --> 01:39:27.910 Holocaust, 11967 01:39:27.910 --> 01:39:28.270 the 11968 01:39:28.270 --> 01:39:29.080 doctors 11969 01:39:29.080 --> 01:39:29.500 in many 11970 01:39:29.500 --> 01:39:29.950 ways were the 11971 01:39:29.950 --> 01:39:30.190 foot 11972 01:39:30.190 --> 01:39:30.610 soldiers 11973 01:39:30.610 --> 01:39:31.000 of that 11974 01:39:31.000 --> 01:39:31.690 atrocity. 11975 01:39:31.690 --> 01:39:32.080 They, 11976 01:39:32.080 --> 01:39:32.380 you know, 11977 01:39:32.380 --> 01:39:33.130 designed, 11978 01:39:33.130 --> 01:39:33.340 they 11979 01:39:33.340 --> 01:39:33.910 designed 11980 01:39:33.910 --> 01:39:34.030 the 11981 01:39:34.030 --> 01:39:34.710 gases, 11982 01:39:34.710 --> 01:39:35.170 they were 11983 01:39:35.170 --> 01:39:35.650 a part 11984 01:39:35.650 --> 01:39:35.920 of the 11985 01:39:35.920 --> 01:39:36.820 experiment. 11986 01:39:36.820 --> 01:39:37.600 They 11987 01:39:37.600 --> 01:39:38.350 absolutely 11988 01:39:38.350 --> 01:39:38.740 carried it 11989 01:39:38.740 --> 01:39:39.130 out, and 11990 01:39:39.130 --> 01:39:39.610 I wonder 11991 01:39:39.610 --> 01:39:39.850 now, 11992 01:39:39.850 --> 01:39:40.690 today, 11993 01:39:40.690 --> 01:39:40.990 the 11994 01:39:40.990 --> 01:39:41.380 more I've 11995 01:39:41.380 --> 01:39:41.830 gotten into 11996 01:39:41.830 --> 01:39:42.280 this, if 11997 01:39:42.280 --> 01:39:42.580 Nazi 11998 01:39:42.580 --> 01:39:42.910 Germany 11999 01:39:42.910 --> 01:39:43.210 happens 12000 01:39:43.210 --> 01:39:43.570 without 12001 01:39:43.570 --> 01:39:44.020 doctors 12002 01:39:44.020 --> 01:39:44.140 . In 12003 01:39:44.140 --> 01:39:44.650 fact, 12004 01:39:44.650 --> 01:39:45.010 I've 12005 01:39:45.010 --> 01:39:45.460 lost 12006 01:39:45.460 --> 01:39:45.700 a 12007 01:39:45.700 --> 01:39:46.630 lot, 12008 01:39:46.630 --> 01:39:47.380 almost 12009 01:39:47.380 --> 01:39:47.830 all of 12010 01:39:47.830 --> 01:39:48.070 my 12011 01:39:48.070 --> 01:39:48.490 faith in 12012 01:39:48.490 --> 01:39:48.970 the practice 12013 01:39:48.970 --> 01:39:49.090 of 12014 01:39:49.090 --> 01:39:49.810 medicine. 12015 01:39:49.810 --> 01:39:50.230 And I 12016 01:39:50.230 --> 01:39:50.470 think 12017 01:39:50.470 --> 01:39:50.860 COVID 12018 01:39:50.860 --> 01:39:51.220 proved 12019 01:39:51.220 --> 01:39:51.490 it. To 12020 01:39:51.490 --> 01:39:52.110 me, 12021 01:39:52.110 --> 01:39:52.600 when 12022 01:39:52.600 --> 01:39:53.080 you look at 12023 01:39:53.080 --> 01:39:53.440 what just 12024 01:39:53.440 --> 01:39:53.770 happened 12025 01:39:53.770 --> 01:39:53.950 with 12026 01:39:53.950 --> 01:39:54.430 COVID, 12027 01:39:54.430 --> 01:39:54.880 when you 12028 01:39:54.880 --> 01:39:55.240 watch 12029 01:39:55.240 --> 01:39:55.480 them 12030 01:39:55.480 --> 01:39:56.050 take 12031 01:39:56.050 --> 01:39:56.710 products 12032 01:39:56.710 --> 01:39:57.490 that 12033 01:39:57.490 --> 01:39:58.720 world-renowned 12034 01:39:58.720 --> 01:39:59.260 doctors 12035 01:39:59.260 --> 01:39:59.680 said were 12036 01:39:59.680 --> 01:40:00.070 working 12037 01:40:00.070 --> 01:40:00.370 on their 12038 01:40:00.370 --> 01:40:00.820 patients, 12039 01:40:00.820 --> 01:40:01.210 you take 12040 01:40:01.210 --> 01:40:01.750 away 12041 01:40:01.750 --> 01:40:02.890 hydroxychloroquine, 12042 01:40:02.890 --> 01:40:03.190 you take 12043 01:40:03.190 --> 01:40:03.430 away 12044 01:40:03.430 --> 01:40:04.000 ivermectin. 12045 01:40:04.000 --> 01:40:04.450 I don't care 12046 01:40:04.450 --> 01:40:04.840 what anyone 12047 01:40:04.840 --> 01:40:05.530 says. 12048 01:40:05.530 --> 01:40:05.860 The 12049 01:40:05.860 --> 01:40:06.190 point 12050 01:40:06.190 --> 01:40:06.520 is, is 12051 01:40:06.520 --> 01:40:07.000 these have 12052 01:40:07.330 --> 01:40:07.810 already been 12053 01:40:07.810 --> 01:40:08.230 proven to be 12054 01:40:08.230 --> 01:40:08.500 safe 12055 01:40:08.500 --> 01:40:08.860 products. 12056 01:40:08.860 --> 01:40:09.250 So even if 12057 01:40:09.250 --> 01:40:09.580 they didn't 12058 01:40:09.580 --> 01:40:09.850 work, what 12059 01:40:09.850 --> 01:40:10.300 difference did 12060 01:40:10.300 --> 01:40:10.690 it make? You 12061 01:40:10.690 --> 01:40:10.870 had 12062 01:40:10.870 --> 01:40:11.200 no 12063 01:40:11.200 --> 01:40:11.440 other 12064 01:40:11.440 --> 01:40:12.040 option. 12065 01:40:12.040 --> 01:40:12.340 You were 12066 01:40:12.340 --> 01:40:12.790 giving no 12067 01:40:12.790 --> 01:40:13.030 other 12068 01:40:13.030 --> 01:40:13.480 option to 12069 01:40:13.480 --> 01:40:13.840 people, 12070 01:40:13.840 --> 01:40:14.200 saying, we 12071 01:40:14.200 --> 01:40:14.500 don't 12072 01:40:14.500 --> 01:40:14.950 know how to 12073 01:40:14.950 --> 01:40:15.340 deal with this, 12074 01:40:15.340 --> 01:40:15.640 but we 12075 01:40:15.640 --> 01:40:16.180 know 12076 01:40:16.180 --> 01:40:16.420 you 12077 01:40:16.420 --> 01:40:16.870 shouldn't go 12078 01:40:16.870 --> 01:40:17.230 near these 12079 01:40:17.230 --> 01:40:17.530 drugs. 12080 01:40:17.530 --> 01:40:17.940 Why? 12081 01:40:17.940 --> 01:40:18.370 They are being 12082 01:40:18.370 --> 01:40:18.730 used 12083 01:40:18.730 --> 01:40:19.000 for 12084 01:40:19.000 --> 01:40:19.540 every, 12085 01:40:19.540 --> 01:40:19.660 you 12086 01:40:19.660 --> 01:40:20.260 know, 12087 01:40:20.470 --> 01:40:20.970 river 12088 01:40:20.970 --> 01:40:21.610 blindness 12089 01:40:21.610 --> 01:40:21.730 and 12090 01:40:21.730 --> 01:40:22.210 lupus 12091 01:40:22.210 --> 01:40:22.540 and you 12092 01:40:22.540 --> 01:40:22.960 name it, 12093 01:40:23.050 --> 01:40:23.570 malaria, 12094 01:40:23.570 --> 01:40:23.980 everyone 12095 01:40:23.980 --> 01:40:24.370 is taking 12096 01:40:24.370 --> 01:40:24.850 these things and 12097 01:40:24.850 --> 01:40:25.270 they've never 12098 01:40:25.270 --> 01:40:25.480 had a 12099 01:40:25.480 --> 01:40:25.810 problem. 12100 01:40:25.810 --> 01:40:26.170 Why would 12101 01:40:26.170 --> 01:40:26.650 you take a 12102 01:40:26.650 --> 01:40:26.980 product 12103 01:40:26.980 --> 01:40:27.160 that's 12104 01:40:27.160 --> 01:40:27.550 perfectly 12105 01:40:27.550 --> 01:40:28.030 safe out of 12106 01:40:28.030 --> 01:40:28.090 the 12107 01:40:28.090 --> 01:40:28.570 way? 12108 01:40:28.570 --> 01:40:28.930 And 12109 01:40:28.930 --> 01:40:29.560 then, 12110 01:40:29.560 --> 01:40:30.040 for the 12111 01:40:30.040 --> 01:40:30.370 first 12112 01:40:30.370 --> 01:40:30.730 time in 12113 01:40:30.730 --> 01:40:31.450 medicine, 12114 01:40:31.450 --> 01:40:32.290 doctors 12115 01:40:32.290 --> 01:40:32.890 across 12116 01:40:32.890 --> 01:40:33.280 the United 12117 01:40:33.280 --> 01:40:33.640 States of 12118 01:40:33.640 --> 01:40:34.000 America, 12119 01:40:34.000 --> 01:40:34.240 for the 12120 01:40:34.240 --> 01:40:34.690 first time 12121 01:40:34.690 --> 01:40:35.140 that I know of 12122 01:40:35.140 --> 01:40:35.560 in modern 12123 01:40:35.560 --> 01:40:36.220 medicine, 12124 01:40:36.220 --> 01:40:36.940 decided 12125 01:40:36.940 --> 01:40:37.330 that there 12126 01:40:37.330 --> 01:40:37.780 was no 12127 01:40:37.780 --> 01:40:38.020 early 12128 01:40:38.020 --> 01:40:39.070 treatment. 12129 01:40:39.070 --> 01:40:39.370 In the 12130 01:40:39.370 --> 01:40:39.820 world 12131 01:40:39.820 --> 01:40:40.120 where 12132 01:40:40.120 --> 01:40:40.360 we 12133 01:40:40.360 --> 01:40:40.690 know 12134 01:40:40.690 --> 01:40:41.170 the sooner 12135 01:40:41.170 --> 01:40:41.590 you treat 12136 01:40:41.590 --> 01:40:42.220 anything, 12137 01:40:42.220 --> 01:40:43.030 cancer, 12138 01:40:43.030 --> 01:40:43.840 diabetes, 12139 01:40:43.840 --> 01:40:44.260 any of 12140 01:40:44.260 --> 01:40:44.500 it, the 12141 01:40:44.500 --> 01:40:44.860 sooner 12142 01:40:44.860 --> 01:40:45.010 you 12143 01:40:45.010 --> 01:40:45.640 treat, 12144 01:40:45.640 --> 01:40:46.090 the 12145 01:40:46.090 --> 01:40:46.420 better 12146 01:40:46.420 --> 01:40:46.840 outcome you're 12147 01:40:46.840 --> 01:40:47.050 going to 12148 01:40:47.050 --> 01:40:47.410 have. 12149 01:40:47.410 --> 01:40:47.920 Suddenly 12150 01:40:47.920 --> 01:40:48.160 we 12151 01:40:48.160 --> 01:40:48.460 found 12152 01:40:48.460 --> 01:40:48.910 something that 12153 01:40:48.910 --> 01:40:49.210 we say, 12154 01:40:49.210 --> 01:40:49.660 don't treat 12155 01:40:49.660 --> 01:40:49.900 it at 12156 01:40:49.900 --> 01:40:50.480 all, 12157 01:40:50.480 --> 01:40:50.860 send 12158 01:40:50.860 --> 01:40:51.250 everybody 12159 01:40:51.250 --> 01:40:51.490 home. 12160 01:40:51.490 --> 01:40:51.880 But you're 12161 01:40:51.880 --> 01:40:52.510 assuming 12162 01:40:52.510 --> 01:40:52.900 that they 12163 01:40:52.900 --> 01:40:53.350 still are 12164 01:40:53.350 --> 01:40:53.860 engaging 12165 01:40:53.860 --> 01:40:53.980 in 12166 01:40:53.980 --> 01:40:54.430 rational 12167 01:40:54.430 --> 01:40:54.850 thought. 12168 01:40:54.850 --> 01:40:55.150 Well they're 12169 01:40:55.150 --> 01:40:55.450 not. 12170 01:40:55.450 --> 01:40:55.780 We've 12171 01:40:55.780 --> 01:40:56.170 all 12172 01:40:56.170 --> 01:40:56.920 recognized 12173 01:40:56.920 --> 01:40:57.370 that. But what 12174 01:40:57.370 --> 01:40:57.550 I'm 12175 01:40:57.550 --> 01:40:58.060 saying 12176 01:40:58.060 --> 01:40:58.840 is, 12177 01:40:58.840 --> 01:40:59.260 the 12178 01:40:59.260 --> 01:40:59.710 doctors 12179 01:40:59.710 --> 01:40:59.890 of the 12180 01:40:59.890 --> 01:41:00.220 United 12181 01:41:00.220 --> 01:41:00.610 States of 12182 01:41:00.610 --> 01:41:01.120 America, 12183 01:41:01.120 --> 01:41:01.480 throughout 12184 01:41:01.480 --> 01:41:02.080 COVID, 12185 01:41:02.080 --> 01:41:02.650 just 12186 01:41:02.650 --> 01:41:03.160 murdered 12187 01:41:03.160 --> 01:41:03.610 at least 12188 01:41:03.610 --> 01:41:04.000 a half 12189 01:41:04.000 --> 01:41:04.430 1 12190 01:41:04.430 --> 01:41:04.870 million 12191 01:41:04.870 --> 01:41:05.300 to 12192 01:41:05.300 --> 01:41:05.740 750,000, 12193 01:41:05.740 --> 01:41:06.010 maybe 12194 01:41:06.010 --> 01:41:06.520 more, 12195 01:41:06.520 --> 01:41:06.970 people. 12196 01:41:06.970 --> 01:41:07.420 I think that 12197 01:41:07.420 --> 01:41:07.690 could be 12198 01:41:07.690 --> 01:41:08.410 argued 12199 01:41:08.410 --> 01:41:08.590 . 12200 01:41:08.590 --> 01:41:08.950 Just 12201 01:41:08.950 --> 01:41:09.400 like, I 12202 01:41:09.400 --> 01:41:09.790 mean, and 12203 01:41:09.790 --> 01:41:10.270 so to 12204 01:41:10.270 --> 01:41:10.570 not 12205 01:41:10.570 --> 01:41:10.900 make the 12206 01:41:10.900 --> 01:41:11.800 comparison 12207 01:41:11.800 --> 01:41:12.250 to what 12208 01:41:12.250 --> 01:41:12.640 we've been through 12209 01:41:12.640 --> 01:41:13.270 before, 12210 01:41:13.300 --> 01:41:13.660 they 12211 01:41:13.660 --> 01:41:13.930 put 12212 01:41:13.930 --> 01:41:14.380 people, 12213 01:41:14.380 --> 01:41:14.770 they took 12214 01:41:14.770 --> 01:41:15.040 away a 12215 01:41:15.040 --> 01:41:15.460 drug that 12216 01:41:15.460 --> 01:41:15.910 worked. 12217 01:41:15.910 --> 01:41:16.240 They 12218 01:41:16.240 --> 01:41:16.480 said, 12219 01:41:16.480 --> 01:41:16.780 go 12220 01:41:16.780 --> 01:41:17.170 home till 12221 01:41:17.170 --> 01:41:17.530 your lips 12222 01:41:17.530 --> 01:41:17.920 turn blue 12223 01:41:17.920 --> 01:41:18.160 and you're 12224 01:41:18.160 --> 01:41:18.580 running out 12225 01:41:18.580 --> 01:41:18.670 of 12226 01:41:18.670 --> 01:41:19.360 oxygen. 12227 01:41:19.360 --> 01:41:19.840 Then 12228 01:41:19.840 --> 01:41:20.330 come back, 12229 01:41:20.330 --> 01:41:20.710 we're going to 12230 01:41:20.710 --> 01:41:21.130 put you on 12231 01:41:21.130 --> 01:41:21.250 a 12232 01:41:21.250 --> 01:41:21.850 ventilator, 12233 01:41:21.850 --> 01:41:22.270 where nine 12234 01:41:22.270 --> 01:41:22.660 out of ten 12235 01:41:22.660 --> 01:41:23.050 of you will 12236 01:41:23.050 --> 01:41:23.500 be dead at 12237 01:41:23.500 --> 01:41:23.980 the end of this 12238 01:41:23.980 --> 01:41:24.280 is all 12239 01:41:24.280 --> 01:41:24.700 over, 12240 01:41:24.700 --> 01:41:24.970 and 12241 01:41:24.970 --> 01:41:25.300 did it 12242 01:41:25.300 --> 01:41:25.840 over 12243 01:41:25.840 --> 01:41:26.110 and 12244 01:41:26.110 --> 01:41:26.590 over 12245 01:41:26.590 --> 01:41:27.040 and over 12246 01:41:27.040 --> 01:41:27.520 and over again. 12247 01:41:27.520 --> 01:41:27.790 Even 12248 01:41:27.790 --> 01:41:28.210 worse, in 12249 01:41:28.210 --> 01:41:28.450 black 12250 01:41:28.450 --> 01:41:29.140 communities, 12251 01:41:29.140 --> 01:41:29.650 and 12252 01:41:29.650 --> 01:41:30.100 minority 12253 01:41:30.100 --> 01:41:30.490 communities, 12254 01:41:30.490 --> 01:41:30.790 forget 12255 01:41:30.790 --> 01:41:31.240 about, 12256 01:41:31.240 --> 01:41:31.480 you know, 12257 01:41:31.480 --> 01:41:31.930 almost no 12258 01:41:31.930 --> 01:41:32.140 one's 12259 01:41:32.140 --> 01:41:32.500 walking 12260 01:41:32.500 --> 01:41:32.920 out of there 12261 01:41:32.920 --> 01:41:33.430 alive. 12262 01:41:33.430 --> 01:41:33.880 And so 12263 01:41:33.880 --> 01:41:34.120 once 12264 01:41:34.120 --> 01:41:35.020 again, 12265 01:41:35.320 --> 01:41:35.740 we sit 12266 01:41:35.740 --> 01:41:36.160 here and I 12267 01:41:36.160 --> 01:41:36.640 think, we 12268 01:41:36.640 --> 01:41:37.060 have been 12269 01:41:37.060 --> 01:41:37.540 holding 12270 01:41:37.540 --> 01:41:38.020 doctors 12271 01:41:38.020 --> 01:41:38.350 up on 12272 01:41:38.350 --> 01:41:38.530 this 12273 01:41:38.530 --> 01:41:39.250 pedestal 12274 01:41:39.250 --> 01:41:39.640 like 12275 01:41:39.640 --> 01:41:40.090 they've had 12276 01:41:40.090 --> 01:41:40.270 this 12277 01:41:40.270 --> 01:41:40.660 brilliant 12278 01:41:40.660 --> 01:41:41.590 education 12279 01:41:41.590 --> 01:41:42.070 and they 12280 01:41:42.070 --> 01:41:42.340 care 12281 01:41:42.340 --> 01:41:42.730 about 12282 01:41:42.730 --> 01:41:43.180 us. And I 12283 01:41:43.180 --> 01:41:43.540 know that a 12284 01:41:43.540 --> 01:41:44.020 lot of them do, 12285 01:41:44.020 --> 01:41:44.290 I'm not 12286 01:41:44.290 --> 01:41:44.680 taking that 12287 01:41:44.680 --> 01:41:45.130 away, but 12288 01:41:45.130 --> 01:41:45.490 there is 12289 01:41:45.490 --> 01:41:46.030 something 12290 01:41:46.030 --> 01:41:46.450 wrong 12291 01:41:46.450 --> 01:41:46.810 with these 12292 01:41:46.810 --> 01:41:47.200 people 12293 01:41:47.380 --> 01:41:47.800 that they 12294 01:41:47.800 --> 01:41:48.040 can 12295 01:41:48.040 --> 01:41:48.400 follow 12296 01:41:48.400 --> 01:41:49.120 through 12297 01:41:49.540 --> 01:41:49.840 with 12298 01:41:49.840 --> 01:41:50.290 mandates 12299 01:41:50.290 --> 01:41:50.560 that 12300 01:41:50.560 --> 01:41:50.800 that 12301 01:41:50.800 --> 01:41:51.130 they're 12302 01:41:51.130 --> 01:41:51.640 watching 12303 01:41:51.640 --> 01:41:51.970 people 12304 01:41:51.970 --> 01:41:52.330 die right 12305 01:41:52.330 --> 01:41:52.780 before their 12306 01:41:52.780 --> 01:41:53.170 eyes, by 12307 01:41:53.170 --> 01:41:53.470 their own 12308 01:41:53.470 --> 01:41:54.040 actions. 12309 01:41:54.040 --> 01:41:54.700 And 12310 01:41:54.730 --> 01:41:55.450 honestly, 12311 01:41:55.450 --> 01:41:55.810 I 12312 01:41:55.810 --> 01:41:56.290 agree with 12313 01:41:56.290 --> 01:41:56.740 you, but 12314 01:41:56.740 --> 01:41:57.130 I think 12315 01:41:57.130 --> 01:41:57.310 we've 12316 01:41:57.310 --> 01:41:58.390 participated, 12317 01:41:58.390 --> 01:41:59.110 because 12318 01:41:59.110 --> 01:41:59.440 we have 12319 01:41:59.440 --> 01:41:59.860 put them 12320 01:41:59.860 --> 01:42:00.220 on that 12321 01:42:00.220 --> 01:42:00.730 pedestal 12322 01:42:00.730 --> 01:42:00.880 and 12323 01:42:00.880 --> 01:42:01.300 because 12324 01:42:01.300 --> 01:42:01.510 we 12325 01:42:01.510 --> 01:42:01.810 have 12326 01:42:01.810 --> 01:42:03.070 substituted 12327 01:42:03.070 --> 01:42:03.550 what 12328 01:42:03.550 --> 01:42:03.910 used to 12329 01:42:03.910 --> 01:42:04.240 be 12330 01:42:04.240 --> 01:42:04.750 reverence 12331 01:42:04.750 --> 01:42:04.960 for 12332 01:42:04.960 --> 01:42:06.060 God, 12333 01:42:06.060 --> 01:42:06.970 okay. 12334 01:42:07.540 --> 01:42:08.020 And 12335 01:42:08.020 --> 01:42:08.500 they have, 12336 01:42:08.500 --> 01:42:08.770 they 12337 01:42:08.770 --> 01:42:09.250 believe 12338 01:42:09.250 --> 01:42:09.490 their 12339 01:42:09.490 --> 01:42:10.210 own, 12340 01:42:10.720 --> 01:42:11.380 their 12341 01:42:11.380 --> 01:42:12.070 hubris 12342 01:42:12.100 --> 01:42:12.490 is 12343 01:42:12.490 --> 01:42:12.850 so 12344 01:42:12.850 --> 01:42:13.840 huge, 12345 01:42:13.840 --> 01:42:14.380 they 12346 01:42:14.380 --> 01:42:14.560 have 12347 01:42:14.560 --> 01:42:15.130 forgotten 12348 01:42:15.130 --> 01:42:15.610 to think 12349 01:42:15.610 --> 01:42:16.540 rationally. 12350 01:42:16.540 --> 01:42:16.990 I don't 12351 01:42:16.990 --> 01:42:17.470 think most 12352 01:42:17.470 --> 01:42:17.860 doctors 12353 01:42:17.860 --> 01:42:18.310 want to 12354 01:42:18.310 --> 01:42:18.640 kill 12355 01:42:18.640 --> 01:42:19.030 people 12356 01:42:19.030 --> 01:42:19.390 and injure 12357 01:42:19.390 --> 01:42:19.960 people. 12358 01:42:19.960 --> 01:42:20.380 I do 12359 01:42:20.380 --> 01:42:20.560 not 12360 01:42:20.560 --> 01:42:20.890 believe 12361 01:42:20.890 --> 01:42:21.070 they 12362 01:42:21.070 --> 01:42:21.640 do 12363 01:42:21.640 --> 01:42:22.060 . But 12364 01:42:22.060 --> 01:42:22.270 I 12365 01:42:22.270 --> 01:42:22.630 believe 12366 01:42:22.630 --> 01:42:22.840 they 12367 01:42:22.840 --> 01:42:23.140 have 12368 01:42:23.140 --> 01:42:23.620 abandoned 12369 01:42:23.620 --> 01:42:24.130 rational 12370 01:42:24.130 --> 01:42:24.580 thought. I 12371 01:42:24.580 --> 01:42:25.030 think they are 12372 01:42:25.030 --> 01:42:25.450 engaging 12373 01:42:25.450 --> 01:42:25.900 in mass 12374 01:42:25.900 --> 01:42:26.710 delusion. 12375 01:42:26.710 --> 01:42:27.010 I 12376 01:42:27.010 --> 01:42:27.460 think they are 12377 01:42:27.460 --> 01:42:27.940 engaging 12378 01:42:27.940 --> 01:42:28.390 in mass 12379 01:42:28.390 --> 01:42:29.170 denial. 12380 01:42:29.320 --> 01:42:29.770 What 12381 01:42:29.770 --> 01:42:30.220 must not 12382 01:42:30.220 --> 01:42:30.400 be 12383 01:42:30.400 --> 01:42:30.790 cannot 12384 01:42:30.790 --> 01:42:31.300 be. 12385 01:42:31.300 --> 01:42:31.810 And 12386 01:42:31.810 --> 01:42:32.110 guess 12387 01:42:32.110 --> 01:42:32.590 what? I 12388 01:42:32.590 --> 01:42:32.920 am the 12389 01:42:32.920 --> 01:42:33.370 smartest 12390 01:42:33.370 --> 01:42:33.760 guy or 12391 01:42:33.760 --> 01:42:34.240 gal in the 12392 01:42:34.240 --> 01:42:34.930 room, 12393 01:42:35.140 --> 01:42:35.560 and 12394 01:42:35.560 --> 01:42:35.890 you don't 12395 01:42:35.890 --> 01:42:36.190 have the 12396 01:42:36.190 --> 01:42:36.580 right to 12397 01:42:36.580 --> 01:42:36.820 not 12398 01:42:36.820 --> 01:42:37.240 listen to 12399 01:42:37.240 --> 01:42:37.660 me, 12400 01:42:37.660 --> 01:42:37.930 or 12401 01:42:37.930 --> 01:42:38.320 believe 12402 01:42:38.320 --> 01:42:38.650 what I 12403 01:42:38.650 --> 01:42:39.130 believe, 12404 01:42:39.130 --> 01:42:39.610 or think 12405 01:42:39.610 --> 01:42:39.940 what I 12406 01:42:39.940 --> 01:42:40.150 think. 12407 01:42:40.150 --> 01:42:40.570 Or get out of 12408 01:42:40.570 --> 01:42:40.720 my 12409 01:42:40.720 --> 01:42:41.220 office, 12410 01:42:41.220 --> 01:42:41.710 and don't come to 12411 01:42:41.890 --> 01:42:42.040 this 12412 01:42:42.040 --> 01:42:42.460 hospital 12413 01:42:42.460 --> 01:42:42.610 ever 12414 01:42:42.610 --> 01:42:43.000 again. 12415 01:42:43.000 --> 01:42:43.480 That's right. They're throwing 12416 01:42:43.480 --> 01:42:43.870 parents 12417 01:42:43.870 --> 01:42:44.260 out of 12418 01:42:44.260 --> 01:42:44.440 the 12419 01:42:44.470 --> 01:42:44.800 these 12420 01:42:44.800 --> 01:42:45.460 offices 12421 01:42:45.460 --> 01:42:45.940 when 12422 01:42:45.940 --> 01:42:46.150 they 12423 01:42:46.150 --> 01:42:46.450 even 12424 01:42:46.450 --> 01:42:46.840 ask 12425 01:42:46.840 --> 01:42:46.960 a 12426 01:42:46.960 --> 01:42:47.800 question 12427 01:42:47.800 --> 01:42:48.400 about 12428 01:42:48.400 --> 01:42:48.520 a 12429 01:42:48.520 --> 01:42:49.000 vaccine 12430 01:42:49.000 --> 01:42:49.600 risk, 12431 01:42:49.600 --> 01:42:50.080 or they 12432 01:42:50.080 --> 01:42:50.350 want 12433 01:42:50.350 --> 01:42:50.590 to 12434 01:42:50.590 --> 01:42:51.280 delay 12435 01:42:51.280 --> 01:42:51.670 one 12436 01:42:51.670 --> 01:42:52.150 shot 12437 01:42:52.150 --> 01:42:52.600 and not 12438 01:42:52.600 --> 01:42:52.990 adhere 12439 01:42:52.990 --> 01:42:53.260 to the 12440 01:42:53.260 --> 01:42:53.920 schedule 12441 01:42:53.920 --> 01:42:54.400 . They are, 12442 01:42:54.430 --> 01:42:55.030 the 12443 01:42:55.030 --> 01:42:55.570 AAP 12444 01:42:55.570 --> 01:42:56.020 has 12445 01:42:56.020 --> 01:42:57.010 sanctioned 12446 01:42:57.010 --> 01:42:57.460 and 12447 01:42:57.460 --> 01:42:57.790 given 12448 01:42:57.790 --> 01:42:58.000 its 12449 01:42:58.000 --> 01:42:58.990 blessing 12450 01:42:58.990 --> 01:42:59.500 to 12451 01:42:59.500 --> 01:43:00.040 doctors 12452 01:43:00.040 --> 01:43:00.520 to throw 12453 01:43:00.520 --> 01:43:00.790 these 12454 01:43:00.790 --> 01:43:01.210 parents 12455 01:43:01.210 --> 01:43:01.630 out 12456 01:43:01.630 --> 01:43:01.930 of the 12457 01:43:01.930 --> 01:43:02.340 office 12458 01:43:02.340 --> 01:43:02.770 if they do 12459 01:43:02.770 --> 01:43:03.070 not 12460 01:43:03.070 --> 01:43:03.460 salute 12461 01:43:03.460 --> 01:43:04.030 smartly 12462 01:43:04.030 --> 01:43:04.330 and 12463 01:43:04.330 --> 01:43:04.750 roll up the 12464 01:43:04.750 --> 01:43:05.140 sleeves of 12465 01:43:05.140 --> 01:43:05.290 their 12466 01:43:05.290 --> 01:43:05.830 children 12467 01:43:05.830 --> 01:43:06.010 . 12468 01:43:06.010 --> 01:43:06.020 Foot 12469 01:43:06.020 --> 01:43:06.520 soldiers. 12470 01:43:06.520 --> 01:43:06.850 And you 12471 01:43:06.850 --> 01:43:07.060 know 12472 01:43:07.060 --> 01:43:07.480 what? 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12538 01:43:37.230 --> 01:43:37.710 And 12539 01:43:37.710 --> 01:43:38.070 I said, 12540 01:43:38.070 --> 01:43:38.490 yes, but 12541 01:43:38.490 --> 01:43:38.880 I want 12542 01:43:38.880 --> 01:43:39.030 the 12543 01:43:39.030 --> 01:43:39.990 biggest, 12544 01:43:40.590 --> 01:43:41.040 most 12545 01:43:41.040 --> 01:43:42.120 formidable, 12546 01:43:42.450 --> 01:43:43.050 most 12547 01:43:43.050 --> 01:43:43.950 famous 12548 01:43:44.760 --> 01:43:45.180 public 12549 01:43:45.180 --> 01:43:45.420 health 12550 01:43:45.420 --> 01:43:45.870 official 12551 01:43:45.870 --> 01:43:46.020 or 12552 01:43:46.020 --> 01:43:46.380 doctor 12553 01:43:46.380 --> 01:43:46.860 that you could 12554 01:43:46.860 --> 01:43:47.550 find. 12555 01:43:48.180 --> 01:43:48.630 And so 12556 01:43:48.630 --> 01:43:48.990 they picked 12557 01:43:48.990 --> 01:43:49.230 Neal 12558 01:43:49.230 --> 01:43:49.710 Halsey, who 12559 01:43:49.710 --> 01:43:50.160 was 12560 01:43:50.700 --> 01:43:51.030 pretty 12561 01:43:51.030 --> 01:43:51.450 damn well 12562 01:43:51.450 --> 01:43:51.900 known at the 12563 01:43:51.900 --> 01:43:52.380 time. 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12602 01:44:11.100 --> 01:44:11.400 keep it 12603 01:44:11.400 --> 01:44:11.820 together 12604 01:44:11.820 --> 01:44:12.150 enough 12605 01:44:12.150 --> 01:44:12.480 to 12606 01:44:12.480 --> 01:44:12.840 sound 12607 01:44:12.840 --> 01:44:13.780 smart, 12608 01:44:13.780 --> 01:44:14.250 and to 12609 01:44:14.250 --> 01:44:14.610 say what 12610 01:44:14.610 --> 01:44:15.090 I need to 12611 01:44:15.090 --> 01:44:15.570 say. 12612 01:44:15.570 --> 01:44:15.900 There are 12613 01:44:15.900 --> 01:44:16.500 33 12614 01:44:16.500 --> 01:44:16.980 doses 12615 01:44:16.980 --> 01:44:17.220 of 12616 01:44:17.220 --> 01:44:17.580 nine 12617 01:44:17.580 --> 01:44:17.880 different 12618 01:44:17.880 --> 01:44:18.510 vaccines 12619 01:44:18.510 --> 01:44:18.810 that our 12620 01:44:18.810 --> 01:44:19.230 children 12621 01:44:19.230 --> 01:44:19.560 now 12622 01:44:19.560 --> 01:44:19.950 have to 12623 01:44:19.950 --> 01:44:20.310 get in 12624 01:44:20.310 --> 01:44:20.670 order to 12625 01:44:20.670 --> 01:44:21.630 attend 12626 01:44:21.630 --> 01:44:22.470 school. 12627 01:44:22.470 --> 01:44:22.920 There are 12628 01:44:22.920 --> 01:44:23.430 200 12629 01:44:23.430 --> 01:44:23.970 vaccines 12630 01:44:23.970 --> 01:44:24.240 being 12631 01:44:24.240 --> 01:44:24.690 created, 12632 01:44:24.690 --> 01:44:25.200 including 12633 01:44:25.200 --> 01:44:25.530 an AIDS 12634 01:44:25.530 --> 01:44:26.220 vaccine 12635 01:44:26.220 --> 01:44:26.520 that 12636 01:44:26.520 --> 01:44:26.850 Doctor 12637 01:44:26.850 --> 01:44:27.210 Halsey 12638 01:44:27.210 --> 01:44:27.540 said 12639 01:44:27.540 --> 01:44:27.840 should be 12640 01:44:27.840 --> 01:44:28.320 used by 12641 01:44:28.320 --> 01:44:28.770 all 12 12642 01:44:28.770 --> 01:44:28.920 year 12643 01:44:28.920 --> 01:44:29.400 olds. 12644 01:44:29.400 --> 01:44:29.700 The 12645 01:44:29.700 --> 01:44:30.090 issue 12646 01:44:30.090 --> 01:44:30.240 is 12647 01:44:30.240 --> 01:44:30.750 not 12648 01:44:30.750 --> 01:44:31.200 whether 12649 01:44:31.200 --> 01:44:31.590 or not we 12650 01:44:31.590 --> 01:44:32.070 should use 12651 01:44:32.070 --> 01:44:32.400 a few 12652 01:44:32.400 --> 01:44:32.970 vaccines 12653 01:44:32.970 --> 01:44:33.120 to 12654 01:44:33.120 --> 01:44:33.630 control 12655 01:44:33.630 --> 01:44:34.020 a few 12656 01:44:34.020 --> 01:44:34.350 serious 12657 01:44:34.350 --> 01:44:35.040 diseases, 12658 01:44:35.040 --> 01:44:35.370 but 12659 01:44:35.370 --> 01:44:35.760 whether or 12660 01:44:35.760 --> 01:44:36.210 not we're 12661 01:44:36.210 --> 01:44:37.050 over-vaccinating 12662 01:44:37.050 --> 01:44:37.170 our 12663 01:44:37.170 --> 01:44:37.650 children 12664 01:44:37.650 --> 01:44:37.950 and 12665 01:44:37.950 --> 01:44:38.340 setting them 12666 01:44:38.340 --> 01:44:38.730 up for 12667 01:44:38.730 --> 01:44:39.060 chronic 12668 01:44:39.060 --> 01:44:39.420 disease 12669 01:44:39.420 --> 01:44:39.840 later in 12670 01:44:39.840 --> 01:44:40.110 life. 12671 01:44:40.110 --> 01:44:40.440 But in the p 12672 01:44:40.440 --> 01:44:40.950 articular 12673 01:44:40.950 --> 01:44:41.400 case where 12674 01:44:41.400 --> 01:44:41.760 a parent 12675 01:44:41.760 --> 01:44:42.150 finds that 12676 01:44:42.150 --> 01:44:42.510 there are 12677 01:44:42.510 --> 01:44:42.840 risks 12678 01:44:42.840 --> 01:44:43.350 associated 12679 01:44:43.350 --> 01:44:43.680 with a 12680 01:44:43.680 --> 01:44:44.340 particular 12681 01:44:44.340 --> 01:44:45.030 vaccine, 12682 01:44:45.030 --> 01:44:45.390 should 12683 01:44:45.390 --> 01:44:45.600 that 12684 01:44:45.600 --> 01:44:45.960 parent 12685 01:44:45.960 --> 01:44:46.590 flatly 12686 01:44:46.590 --> 01:44:47.130 refuse 12687 01:44:47.130 --> 01:44:47.280 to 12688 01:44:47.280 --> 01:44:47.760 administer 12689 01:44:47.760 --> 01:44:47.850 the 12690 01:44:47.850 --> 01:44:49.080 vaccine? 12691 01:44:49.080 --> 01:44:49.380 Parents should be 12692 01:44:49.380 --> 01:44:49.650 fully 12693 01:44:49.650 --> 01:44:50.160 informed 12694 01:44:50.160 --> 01:44:50.580 about 12695 01:44:50.580 --> 01:44:51.120 all 12696 01:44:51.120 --> 01:44:51.630 risks 12697 01:44:51.630 --> 01:44:52.080 and then 12698 01:44:52.080 --> 01:44:52.500 be able to 12699 01:44:52.500 --> 01:44:52.890 make an 12700 01:44:52.890 --> 01:44:53.340 informed 12701 01:44:53.340 --> 01:44:53.760 consent 12702 01:44:53.760 --> 01:44:54.540 decision. 12703 01:44:54.540 --> 01:44:54.900 The 12704 01:44:54.900 --> 01:44:55.260 issue 12705 01:44:55.260 --> 01:44:55.740 is whether or 12706 01:44:55.740 --> 01:44:56.100 not we're 12707 01:44:56.100 --> 01:44:56.580 going to have the 12708 01:44:56.580 --> 01:44:56.970 right in 12709 01:44:56.970 --> 01:44:57.150 this 12710 01:44:57.150 --> 01:44:57.600 country, 12711 01:44:57.600 --> 01:44:57.780 as 12712 01:44:57.780 --> 01:44:58.560 Americans, 12713 01:44:58.560 --> 01:44:59.080 to 12714 01:44:59.080 --> 01:44:59.850 freely 12715 01:44:59.850 --> 01:45:00.300 choose the 12716 01:45:00.300 --> 01:45:00.600 kind of 12717 01:45:00.600 --> 01:45:00.990 preventive 12718 01:45:00.990 --> 01:45:01.440 health care 12719 01:45:01.440 --> 01:45:01.830 we want 12720 01:45:01.830 --> 01:45:02.160 for our 12721 01:45:02.160 --> 01:45:02.790 families, 12722 01:45:02.790 --> 01:45:03.450 including 12723 01:45:03.450 --> 01:45:03.780 which 12724 01:45:03.780 --> 01:45:04.290 vaccines 12725 01:45:04.290 --> 01:45:04.410 we 12726 01:45:04.410 --> 01:45:04.890 use 12727 01:45:04.890 --> 01:45:05.370 or whether or 12728 01:45:05.370 --> 01:45:05.850 not we're going to 12729 01:45:05.850 --> 01:45:06.150 have that 12730 01:45:06.150 --> 01:45:06.540 freedom 12731 01:45:06.540 --> 01:45:06.810 taken 12732 01:45:06.810 --> 01:45:07.200 from us 12733 01:45:07.200 --> 01:45:07.680 by public 12734 01:45:07.680 --> 01:45:07.890 health 12735 01:45:07.890 --> 01:45:08.280 officials. 12736 01:45:08.280 --> 01:45:08.550 Doctor 12737 01:45:08.550 --> 01:45:08.940 Halsey, what 12738 01:45:08.940 --> 01:45:09.390 about there? 12739 01:45:09.390 --> 01:45:09.780 Are there 12740 01:45:09.780 --> 01:45:10.110 too many 12741 01:45:10.110 --> 01:45:10.590 vaccines 12742 01:45:10.590 --> 01:45:10.950 out there 12743 01:45:10.950 --> 01:45:11.370 that parents 12744 01:45:11.370 --> 01:45:11.850 are required 12745 01:45:11.850 --> 01:45:12.210 to give their 12746 01:45:12.210 --> 01:45:12.960 children? 12747 01:45:12.990 --> 01:45:13.710 Absolutely 12748 01:45:13.710 --> 01:45:14.040 not, 12749 01:45:14.040 --> 01:45:14.700 Matt. 12750 01:45:14.700 --> 01:45:15.390 Parents 12751 01:45:15.390 --> 01:45:15.570 are 12752 01:45:15.570 --> 01:45:16.020 always 12753 01:45:16.020 --> 01:45:16.410 concerned 12754 01:45:16.410 --> 01:45:16.860 about doing 12755 01:45:16.860 --> 01:45:17.070 what's 12756 01:45:17.070 --> 01:45:17.520 safest 12757 01:45:17.520 --> 01:45:17.820 for their 12758 01:45:17.820 --> 01:45:18.390 children, 12759 01:45:18.390 --> 01:45:18.840 and they 12760 01:45:18.840 --> 01:45:19.260 really 12761 01:45:19.260 --> 01:45:19.740 should be 12762 01:45:19.740 --> 01:45:20.070 very 12763 01:45:20.070 --> 01:45:20.730 confident 12764 01:45:20.730 --> 01:45:21.150 that the 12765 01:45:21.150 --> 01:45:21.570 safest 12766 01:45:21.570 --> 01:45:22.020 thing they can 12767 01:45:22.020 --> 01:45:22.440 do for their 12768 01:45:22.440 --> 01:45:22.920 children is 12769 01:45:22.920 --> 01:45:23.070 to 12770 01:45:23.070 --> 01:45:23.580 protect 12771 01:45:23.580 --> 01:45:23.790 them 12772 01:45:23.790 --> 01:45:24.120 against 12773 01:45:24.120 --> 01:45:24.360 those 12774 01:45:24.360 --> 01:45:24.780 vaccine 12775 01:45:24.780 --> 01:45:25.350 preventable 12776 01:45:25.350 --> 01:45:26.280 diseases. 12777 01:45:26.460 --> 01:45:26.940 And 12778 01:45:26.940 --> 01:45:27.090 I 12779 01:45:27.090 --> 01:45:27.900 remember, 12780 01:45:27.900 --> 01:45:28.260 it 12781 01:45:28.260 --> 01:45:28.680 was, it 12782 01:45:28.680 --> 01:45:28.950 really 12783 01:45:28.950 --> 01:45:29.280 actually 12784 01:45:29.280 --> 01:45:29.490 was 12785 01:45:29.490 --> 01:45:29.970 easy 12786 01:45:29.970 --> 01:45:30.420 at the end 12787 01:45:30.420 --> 01:45:30.600 of the 12788 01:45:30.600 --> 01:45:31.140 day, 12789 01:45:31.140 --> 01:45:31.650 because 12790 01:45:31.650 --> 01:45:31.950 he was 12791 01:45:31.950 --> 01:45:32.190 so 12792 01:45:32.190 --> 01:45:33.390 arrogant, 12793 01:45:33.390 --> 01:45:33.720 and 12794 01:45:33.720 --> 01:45:33.990 so 12795 01:45:33.990 --> 01:45:34.500 absolutely 12796 01:45:34.500 --> 01:45:35.130 sure 12797 01:45:35.130 --> 01:45:35.370 of 12798 01:45:35.370 --> 01:45:36.210 what... 12799 01:45:36.210 --> 01:45:36.390 With no 12800 01:45:36.390 --> 01:45:36.870 evidence. 12801 01:45:36.870 --> 01:45:37.200 They just 12802 01:45:37.200 --> 01:45:37.620 refer 12803 01:45:37.620 --> 01:45:38.040 to a, 12804 01:45:38.280 --> 01:45:38.760 like there's 12805 01:45:38.760 --> 01:45:39.240 a body of 12806 01:45:39.240 --> 01:45:39.690 science 12807 01:45:39.690 --> 01:45:40.080 that 12808 01:45:40.080 --> 01:45:40.500 you've 12809 01:45:40.500 --> 01:45:41.010 proven 12810 01:45:41.010 --> 01:45:41.490 and my 12811 01:45:41.490 --> 01:45:42.030 nonprofit 12812 01:45:42.030 --> 01:45:42.180 we've 12813 01:45:42.180 --> 01:45:42.540 proven 12814 01:45:42.540 --> 01:45:42.930 does not 12815 01:45:42.930 --> 01:45:43.320 exist. 12816 01:45:43.320 --> 01:45:43.710 Well, that's 12817 01:45:43.710 --> 01:45:44.310 right. 12818 01:45:44.310 --> 01:45:44.760 We 12819 01:45:44.760 --> 01:45:45.000 have 12820 01:45:45.000 --> 01:45:45.780 demonstrated 12821 01:45:45.780 --> 01:45:46.260 time and 12822 01:45:46.260 --> 01:45:46.530 time 12823 01:45:46.530 --> 01:45:47.040 again 12824 01:45:47.040 --> 01:45:47.220 the 12825 01:45:47.220 --> 01:45:47.970 importance 12826 01:45:47.970 --> 01:45:48.150 of 12827 01:45:48.150 --> 01:45:48.570 having 12828 01:45:48.570 --> 01:45:48.810 all 12829 01:45:48.810 --> 01:45:49.260 children 12830 01:45:49.260 --> 01:45:49.830 immunized 12831 01:45:49.830 --> 01:45:50.250 in order 12832 01:45:50.250 --> 01:45:50.430 to 12833 01:45:50.430 --> 01:45:50.820 prevent 12834 01:45:50.820 --> 01:45:51.030 these 12835 01:45:51.030 --> 01:45:51.510 outbreaks 12836 01:45:51.510 --> 01:45:51.660 of 12837 01:45:51.660 --> 01:45:52.530 disease. 12838 01:45:52.530 --> 01:45:52.980 We just 12839 01:45:52.980 --> 01:45:53.220 saw a 12840 01:45:53.220 --> 01:45:53.490 few 12841 01:45:53.490 --> 01:45:53.760 years 12842 01:45:53.760 --> 01:45:54.330 ago, 12843 01:45:54.360 --> 01:45:54.630 the 12844 01:45:54.630 --> 01:45:55.440 1990, 12845 01:45:55.440 --> 01:45:56.040 '91 12846 01:45:56.040 --> 01:45:56.580 epidemic 12847 01:45:56.580 --> 01:45:56.730 of 12848 01:45:56.730 --> 01:45:57.360 measles, 12849 01:45:57.360 --> 01:45:57.630 with 12850 01:45:57.630 --> 01:45:58.140 thousands 12851 01:45:58.140 --> 01:45:58.260 of 12852 01:45:58.260 --> 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01:46:08.520 of 12876 01:46:08.520 --> 01:46:09.480 immunization. 12877 01:46:09.480 --> 01:46:09.930 And it's 12878 01:46:09.930 --> 01:46:10.620 important 12879 01:46:10.620 --> 01:46:10.980 to, 12880 01:46:10.980 --> 01:46:11.190 the 12881 01:46:11.190 --> 01:46:11.520 parents 12882 01:46:11.520 --> 01:46:11.850 should be 12883 01:46:11.850 --> 01:46:12.360 fighting 12884 01:46:12.360 --> 01:46:12.930 for 12885 01:46:12.930 --> 01:46:13.680 more 12886 01:46:13.830 --> 01:46:14.400 laws 12887 01:46:14.400 --> 01:46:14.580 that 12888 01:46:14.580 --> 01:46:15.210 require 12889 01:46:15.210 --> 01:46:15.600 children 12890 01:46:15.600 --> 01:46:15.750 to 12891 01:46:15.750 --> 01:46:16.380 be 12892 01:46:16.380 --> 01:46:17.190 immunized 12893 01:46:17.190 --> 01:46:17.580 when they're 12894 01:46:17.580 --> 01:46:17.760 in 12895 01:46:17.760 --> 01:46:18.270 school, 12896 01:46:18.270 --> 01:46:18.570 in day 12897 01:46:18.570 --> 01:46:18.780 care 12898 01:46:18.780 --> 01:46:19.620 centers. 12899 01:46:19.620 --> 01:46:20.100 And I 12900 01:46:20.100 --> 01:46:20.550 decided 12901 01:46:20.550 --> 01:46:21.000 I was going 12902 01:46:21.000 --> 01:46:21.330 to, for the 12903 01:46:21.330 --> 01:46:21.810 first time, 12904 01:46:21.810 --> 01:46:22.230 bring up 12905 01:46:22.230 --> 01:46:22.350 the 12906 01:46:22.350 --> 01:46:22.800 connection 12907 01:46:22.800 --> 01:46:23.130 between 12908 01:46:23.130 --> 01:46:23.700 vaccination 12909 01:46:23.700 --> 01:46:24.150 and chronic 12910 01:46:24.150 --> 01:46:24.870 disease, 12911 01:46:25.230 --> 01:46:25.650 the chronic 12912 01:46:25.650 --> 01:46:26.040 disease and 12913 01:46:26.040 --> 01:46:26.520 disability 12914 01:46:26.520 --> 01:46:27.000 epidemic 12915 01:46:27.000 --> 01:46:27.270 among 12916 01:46:27.270 --> 01:46:27.990 children. 12917 01:46:27.990 --> 01:46:28.470 This 12918 01:46:28.470 --> 01:46:28.620 is 12919 01:46:28.620 --> 01:46:29.280 America, 12920 01:46:29.280 --> 01:46:29.610 where 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There 13048 01:47:25.770 --> 01:47:26.070 should be 13049 01:47:26.070 --> 01:47:26.310 no 13050 01:47:26.310 --> 01:47:26.820 exception 13051 01:47:26.820 --> 01:47:26.970 for 13052 01:47:26.970 --> 01:47:27.540 vaccination. 13053 01:47:28.290 --> 01:47:28.770 It was 13054 01:47:28.770 --> 01:47:29.250 only supposed to 13055 01:47:29.250 --> 01:47:29.640 go four 13056 01:47:29.640 --> 01:47:30.030 minutes, I 13057 01:47:30.030 --> 01:47:30.480 think it went 13058 01:47:30.480 --> 01:47:31.110 seven. 13059 01:47:31.610 --> 01:47:32.060 And 13060 01:47:32.060 --> 01:47:32.450 then I 13061 01:47:32.450 --> 01:47:32.900 actually at 13062 01:47:32.900 --> 01:47:33.380 one point 13063 01:47:33.380 --> 01:47:33.860 talked about 13064 01:47:33.860 --> 01:47:34.310 Communist 13065 01:47:34.310 --> 01:47:34.970 China. 13066 01:47:35.000 --> 01:47:35.480 You got that i 13067 01:47:35.480 --> 01:47:35.690 nto 13068 01:47:35.690 --> 01:47:36.000 seven 13069 01:47:36.000 --> 01:47:36.440 minutes? 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ever 13185 01:48:23.600 --> 01:48:23.960 seen. I 13186 01:48:23.960 --> 01:48:24.350 mean, this 13187 01:48:24.350 --> 01:48:24.620 is the 13188 01:48:24.620 --> 01:48:25.010 sickest 13189 01:48:25.010 --> 01:48:25.490 nation of 13190 01:48:25.490 --> 01:48:25.940 children in 13191 01:48:25.940 --> 01:48:26.000 the 13192 01:48:26.000 --> 01:48:26.630 industrialized 13193 01:48:26.630 --> 01:48:27.060 world, 13194 01:48:27.060 --> 01:48:27.440 sickest 13195 01:48:27.440 --> 01:48:28.010 generation 13196 01:48:28.010 --> 01:48:28.420 of children 13197 01:48:28.420 --> 01:48:28.850 this country 13198 01:48:28.850 --> 01:48:29.180 has ever 13199 01:48:29.180 --> 01:48:29.840 seen. 13200 01:48:30.080 --> 01:48:30.620 We 13201 01:48:30.620 --> 01:48:31.070 know 13202 01:48:31.070 --> 01:48:31.520 we're, I mean, 13203 01:48:31.520 --> 01:48:31.760 we were 13204 01:48:31.760 --> 01:48:32.150 told 13205 01:48:32.150 --> 01:48:32.450 we're at a 13206 01:48:32.450 --> 01:48:33.470 54% 13207 01:48:33.470 --> 01:48:34.370 chronic 13208 01:48:34.370 --> 01:48:35.000 illness 13209 01:48:35.000 --> 01:48:35.450 rate, 13210 01:48:35.450 --> 01:48:35.750 up 13211 01:48:35.750 --> 01:48:36.470 from 13212 01:48:36.470 --> 01:48:37.010 back 13213 01:48:37.010 --> 01:48:37.640 before 13214 01:48:37.640 --> 01:48:37.850 the 13215 01:48:37.850 --> 01:48:38.450 '86 13216 01:48:38.450 --> 01:48:38.690 act, 13217 01:48:38.690 --> 01:48:39.380 before 13218 01:48:39.530 --> 01:48:39.920 it turned 13219 01:48:39.920 --> 01:48:40.160 into 13220 01:48:40.160 --> 01:48:40.700 72 13221 01:48:40.700 --> 01:48:41.130 vaccines, 13222 01:48:41.130 --> 01:48:41.630 you're getting 13223 01:48:41.630 --> 01:48:41.930 ten 13224 01:48:41.930 --> 01:48:42.590 vaccines, 13225 01:48:42.590 --> 01:48:42.920 11 13226 01:48:42.920 --> 01:48:43.970 vaccines, 13227 01:48:43.970 --> 01:48:44.570 chronic 13228 01:48:44.570 --> 01:48:45.020 illnesses 13229 01:48:45.020 --> 01:48:45.350 at about 13230 01:48:45.350 --> 01:48:46.130 12%, 13231 01:48:46.130 --> 01:48:46.850 including 13232 01:48:47.000 --> 01:48:47.780 neurological 13233 01:48:47.780 --> 01:48:48.350 autoimmune 13234 01:48:48.350 --> 01:48:49.310 disorders 13235 01:48:49.310 --> 01:48:49.760 . Now 13236 01:48:49.760 --> 01:48:50.520 54%, 13237 01:48:50.520 --> 01:48:50.900 and 13238 01:48:50.900 --> 01:48:51.110 that 13239 01:48:51.110 --> 01:48:51.860 number 13240 01:48:51.860 --> 01:48:52.730 really 13241 01:48:52.730 --> 01:48:53.400 is, 13242 01:48:53.400 --> 01:48:53.930 that 13243 01:48:53.930 --> 01:48:54.260 data 13244 01:48:54.260 --> 01:48:54.740 comes from, I 13245 01:48:54.740 --> 01:48:54.950 think, 13246 01:48:54.950 --> 01:48:55.820 2006, 13247 01:48:55.820 --> 01:48:56.240 analyzed 13248 01:48:56.240 --> 01:48:56.360 in 13249 01:48:56.360 --> 01:48:57.050 2012, 13250 01:48:57.050 --> 01:48:57.440 and we have 13251 01:48:57.440 --> 01:48:57.830 not 13252 01:48:57.830 --> 01:48:58.280 seen 13253 01:48:58.280 --> 01:48:58.640 where we're 13254 01:48:58.640 --> 01:48:59.030 at in the 13255 01:48:59.030 --> 01:48:59.420 last 13256 01:48:59.420 --> 01:48:59.880 11 or 13257 01:48:59.880 --> 01:49:00.350 12 years. 13258 01:49:00.350 --> 01:49:00.680 God 13259 01:49:00.680 --> 01:49:01.280 knows 13260 01:49:01.280 --> 01:49:01.670 how 13261 01:49:01.670 --> 01:49:02.030 much 13262 01:49:02.030 --> 01:49:02.270 the 13263 01:49:02.270 --> 01:49:02.810 autoimmune 13264 01:49:02.810 --> 01:49:03.230 and chronic 13265 01:49:03.230 --> 01:49:03.530 disease 13266 01:49:03.530 --> 01:49:04.040 epidemic, 13267 01:49:04.040 --> 01:49:04.400 how much 13268 01:49:04.400 --> 01:49:04.820 it's grown. 13269 01:49:04.820 --> 01:49:05.240 So more 13270 01:49:05.240 --> 01:49:05.690 than half 13271 01:49:05.690 --> 01:49:05.990 of all 13272 01:49:05.990 --> 01:49:06.670 kids 13273 01:49:06.670 --> 01:49:07.010 are 13274 01:49:07.010 --> 01:49:08.180 permanently 13275 01:49:08.180 --> 01:49:09.110 sick 13276 01:49:09.110 --> 01:49:09.350 their 13277 01:49:09.350 --> 01:49:09.620 whole 13278 01:49:09.620 --> 01:49:10.220 lives. 13279 01:49:10.220 --> 01:49:10.640 And 13280 01:49:10.640 --> 01:49:11.000 I say 13281 01:49:11.000 --> 01:49:11.270 this, 13282 01:49:11.270 --> 01:49:11.750 Barbara, I said, 13283 01:49:11.750 --> 01:49:11.900 well, 13284 01:49:11.900 --> 01:49:12.500 look, 13285 01:49:12.620 --> 01:49:13.070 how do you 13286 01:49:13.070 --> 01:49:13.550 know it's not the 13287 01:49:13.550 --> 01:49:13.940 food? I 13288 01:49:13.940 --> 01:49:14.300 mean, 13289 01:49:14.300 --> 01:49:14.660 they're 13290 01:49:14.660 --> 01:49:15.230 spraying 13291 01:49:15.230 --> 01:49:16.010 glyphosate 13292 01:49:16.010 --> 01:49:16.310 and 13293 01:49:16.310 --> 01:49:16.670 all these 13294 01:49:16.670 --> 01:49:17.090 things and 13295 01:49:17.090 --> 01:49:17.450 all of our 13296 01:49:17.450 --> 01:49:17.750 crops, 13297 01:49:17.750 --> 01:49:18.230 90% 13298 01:49:18.230 --> 01:49:18.410 of our 13299 01:49:18.410 --> 01:49:18.890 crops have 13300 01:49:18.890 --> 01:49:19.310 this toxic 13301 01:49:19.310 --> 01:49:19.700 chemical. 13302 01:49:19.700 --> 01:49:19.940 Yeah, 13303 01:49:19.970 --> 01:49:20.420 really good 13304 01:49:20.420 --> 01:49:20.840 point. 13305 01:49:20.840 --> 01:49:21.230 How do you know 13306 01:49:21.230 --> 01:49:21.680 it's not our 13307 01:49:21.680 --> 01:49:22.130 water and 13308 01:49:22.130 --> 01:49:22.610 the fluoride 13309 01:49:22.610 --> 01:49:22.910 in our 13310 01:49:22.910 --> 01:49:23.270 water, and 13311 01:49:23.270 --> 01:49:23.540 all the 13312 01:49:23.540 --> 01:49:23.930 drugs 13313 01:49:23.930 --> 01:49:24.200 that we're 13314 01:49:24.200 --> 01:49:24.830 finding 13315 01:49:24.830 --> 01:49:25.190 in the 13316 01:49:25.190 --> 01:49:25.490 water 13317 01:49:25.490 --> 01:49:25.970 system that 13318 01:49:25.970 --> 01:49:26.420 aren't getting 13319 01:49:26.420 --> 01:49:26.870 cleared out by 13320 01:49:26.870 --> 01:49:27.060 the 13321 01:49:27.060 --> 01:49:27.490 filtering? 13322 01:49:27.490 --> 01:49:27.920 How do you know 13323 01:49:27.920 --> 01:49:28.340 it's not all 13324 01:49:28.340 --> 01:49:28.490 the 13325 01:49:28.490 --> 01:49:29.120 hormones 13326 01:49:29.120 --> 01:49:29.450 and the 13327 01:49:29.450 --> 01:49:29.750 things 13328 01:49:29.750 --> 01:49:30.200 injected 13329 01:49:30.200 --> 01:49:30.590 into our 13330 01:49:30.590 --> 01:49:31.220 cattle? 13331 01:49:31.220 --> 01:49:31.610 And I 13332 01:49:31.610 --> 01:49:31.910 say to 13333 01:49:31.910 --> 01:49:32.750 people, 13334 01:49:32.870 --> 01:49:33.650 I 13335 01:49:33.650 --> 01:49:33.830 am 13336 01:49:33.830 --> 01:49:34.430 investigating 13337 01:49:34.430 --> 01:49:34.730 all of 13338 01:49:34.730 --> 01:49:34.940 those 13339 01:49:34.940 --> 01:49:35.270 things. 13340 01:49:35.270 --> 01:49:35.630 And you're 13341 01:49:35.630 --> 01:49:36.110 right, they're 13342 01:49:36.110 --> 01:49:36.350 all a 13343 01:49:36.350 --> 01:49:36.800 problem. But 13344 01:49:36.800 --> 01:49:37.220 let's be 13345 01:49:37.220 --> 01:49:37.850 clear, 13346 01:49:37.970 --> 01:49:38.480 every 13347 01:49:38.480 --> 01:49:38.900 one of those 13348 01:49:38.900 --> 01:49:39.260 things 13349 01:49:39.260 --> 01:49:39.470 are 13350 01:49:39.470 --> 01:49:39.800 being 13351 01:49:39.800 --> 01:49:40.160 approved 13352 01:49:40.160 --> 01:49:40.490 by the 13353 01:49:40.490 --> 01:49:40.820 same 13354 01:49:40.820 --> 01:49:41.480 regulatory 13355 01:49:41.510 --> 01:49:42.230 agencies 13356 01:49:42.230 --> 01:49:42.710 that I 13357 01:49:42.710 --> 01:49:43.010 have an 13358 01:49:43.010 --> 01:49:43.280 issue 13359 01:49:43.280 --> 01:49:43.640 with. 13360 01:49:43.640 --> 01:49:44.150 FDA, 13361 01:49:44.150 --> 01:49:44.840 CDC, 13362 01:49:44.870 --> 01:49:45.680 EPA 13363 01:49:45.680 --> 01:49:45.980 are 13364 01:49:45.980 --> 01:49:46.460 allowing 13365 01:49:46.460 --> 01:49:46.610 these 13366 01:49:46.610 --> 01:49:47.000 products 13367 01:49:47.000 --> 01:49:47.480 to go into 13368 01:49:47.480 --> 01:49:47.990 everything 13369 01:49:47.990 --> 01:49:48.110 we 13370 01:49:48.110 --> 01:49:48.560 do, 13371 01:49:48.560 --> 01:49:49.010 and then 13372 01:49:49.010 --> 01:49:49.250 your 13373 01:49:49.250 --> 01:49:49.730 argument 13374 01:49:49.730 --> 01:49:50.120 is, well, 13375 01:49:50.120 --> 01:49:50.510 it's going to 13376 01:49:50.510 --> 01:49:50.900 be one of 13377 01:49:50.900 --> 01:49:51.350 those and 13378 01:49:51.350 --> 01:49:51.830 not the one 13379 01:49:51.830 --> 01:49:52.100 you're 13380 01:49:52.100 --> 01:49:52.490 focused 13381 01:49:52.490 --> 01:49:53.120 on. 13382 01:49:53.120 --> 01:49:53.480 I 13383 01:49:53.480 --> 01:49:53.810 said, 13384 01:49:53.810 --> 01:49:54.140 either 13385 01:49:54.140 --> 01:49:54.590 way, the 13386 01:49:54.590 --> 01:49:55.220 CDC 13387 01:49:55.220 --> 01:49:55.460 and the 13388 01:49:55.460 --> 01:49:56.210 FDA 13389 01:49:56.210 --> 01:49:56.510 and the 13390 01:49:56.510 --> 01:49:57.020 NIH 13391 01:49:57.020 --> 01:49:57.260 have 13392 01:49:57.260 --> 01:49:58.010 overseen 13393 01:49:58.010 --> 01:49:58.400 the 13394 01:49:58.400 --> 01:49:59.000 greatest 13395 01:49:59.000 --> 01:49:59.870 catastrophic 13396 01:49:59.870 --> 01:50:00.260 drop 13397 01:50:00.260 --> 01:50:00.410 in 13398 01:50:00.410 --> 01:50:00.830 public 13399 01:50:00.830 --> 01:50:01.280 health the 13400 01:50:01.280 --> 01:50:01.580 world 13401 01:50:01.580 --> 01:50:01.790 has 13402 01:50:01.790 --> 01:50:02.120 ever 13403 01:50:02.120 --> 01:50:02.480 seen, has 13404 01:50:02.480 --> 01:50:02.810 ever been 13405 01:50:02.810 --> 01:50:03.200 documented. 13406 01:50:03.200 --> 01:50:03.530 Absolutely. 13407 01:50:03.530 --> 01:50:03.950 And they, 13408 01:50:03.950 --> 01:50:04.310 and 13409 01:50:04.310 --> 01:50:04.670 Tony 13410 01:50:04.670 --> 01:50:05.090 Fauci's 13411 01:50:05.090 --> 01:50:05.570 been there the whole 13412 01:50:05.570 --> 01:50:06.020 time. 13413 01:50:06.020 --> 01:50:06.500 He is 13414 01:50:06.500 --> 01:50:06.950 fully to 13415 01:50:06.950 --> 01:50:07.430 blame for 13416 01:50:07.430 --> 01:50:07.610 the 13417 01:50:07.610 --> 01:50:08.030 sickest 13418 01:50:08.030 --> 01:50:08.600 generation 13419 01:50:08.600 --> 01:50:08.930 of kids 13420 01:50:08.930 --> 01:50:09.380 we've seen in 13421 01:50:09.380 --> 01:50:09.560 this 13422 01:50:09.560 --> 01:50:10.190 world. 13423 01:50:10.190 --> 01:50:10.580 And 13424 01:50:10.580 --> 01:50:11.150 lastly, 13425 01:50:11.150 --> 01:50:11.570 this is what 13426 01:50:11.570 --> 01:50:11.690 I 13427 01:50:11.690 --> 01:50:12.170 say. 13428 01:50:12.170 --> 01:50:12.500 But 13429 01:50:12.500 --> 01:50:12.740 let's 13430 01:50:12.740 --> 01:50:13.010 talk 13431 01:50:13.010 --> 01:50:13.280 about 13432 01:50:13.280 --> 01:50:13.730 autoimmune 13433 01:50:13.730 --> 01:50:14.510 disease. 13434 01:50:14.510 --> 01:50:14.900 We 13435 01:50:14.900 --> 01:50:15.290 talk about 13436 01:50:15.290 --> 01:50:15.680 autoimmune 13437 01:50:15.680 --> 01:50:16.130 disease, this 13438 01:50:16.130 --> 01:50:16.550 means for 13439 01:50:16.550 --> 01:50:16.790 some 13440 01:50:16.790 --> 01:50:17.420 reason, 13441 01:50:17.420 --> 01:50:17.840 for 13442 01:50:17.840 --> 01:50:18.080 some 13443 01:50:18.080 --> 01:50:18.470 reason, 13444 01:50:18.470 --> 01:50:18.890 we've been on 13445 01:50:18.890 --> 01:50:19.370 this earth 13446 01:50:19.370 --> 01:50:19.760 as human 13447 01:50:19.760 --> 01:50:20.210 beings 13448 01:50:20.210 --> 01:50:20.690 for, 13449 01:50:20.690 --> 01:50:20.930 you 13450 01:50:20.930 --> 01:50:21.440 know, 13451 01:50:21.440 --> 01:50:21.860 God 13452 01:50:21.860 --> 01:50:22.310 knows how 13453 01:50:22.310 --> 01:50:23.590 long, 13454 01:50:23.590 --> 01:50:24.140 and 13455 01:50:24.140 --> 01:50:24.590 at 13456 01:50:24.590 --> 01:50:25.190 suddenly 13457 01:50:25.190 --> 01:50:25.730 about 13458 01:50:25.730 --> 01:50:26.180 50 13459 01:50:26.180 --> 01:50:26.510 years 13460 01:50:26.510 --> 01:50:27.200 ago, 13461 01:50:27.200 --> 01:50:27.530 our 13462 01:50:27.530 --> 01:50:27.830 immune 13463 01:50:27.830 --> 01:50:28.430 system 13464 01:50:28.430 --> 01:50:29.000 started 13465 01:50:29.000 --> 01:50:29.420 attacking 13466 01:50:29.420 --> 01:50:29.690 our own 13467 01:50:29.690 --> 01:50:30.110 bodies and we 13468 01:50:30.110 --> 01:50:30.350 have no 13469 01:50:30.350 --> 01:50:30.620 idea 13470 01:50:30.620 --> 01:50:31.010 why. 13471 01:50:31.010 --> 01:50:31.370 Just 13472 01:50:31.370 --> 01:50:31.730 out of 13473 01:50:31.730 --> 01:50:32.150 nowhere 13474 01:50:32.180 --> 01:50:32.510 now 13475 01:50:32.510 --> 01:50:32.840 immune 13476 01:50:32.840 --> 01:50:33.350 systems 13477 01:50:33.350 --> 01:50:33.590 are 13478 01:50:33.590 --> 01:50:34.100 attacking 13479 01:50:34.100 --> 01:50:34.370 our own 13480 01:50:34.370 --> 01:50:34.910 bodies, 13481 01:50:34.910 --> 01:50:35.390 and we're 13482 01:50:35.390 --> 01:50:35.840 trying to figure 13483 01:50:35.840 --> 01:50:36.230 out what it is. 13484 01:50:36.230 --> 01:50:36.590 Is it the 13485 01:50:36.590 --> 01:50:37.040 food? Is 13486 01:50:37.040 --> 01:50:37.280 it the 13487 01:50:37.280 --> 01:50:37.730 water? Is 13488 01:50:37.730 --> 01:50:38.000 it the 13489 01:50:38.000 --> 01:50:38.420 air? 13490 01:50:38.450 --> 01:50:38.810 Could be 13491 01:50:38.810 --> 01:50:38.990 those 13492 01:50:38.990 --> 01:50:39.440 things. 13493 01:50:39.440 --> 01:50:39.860 But 13494 01:50:39.860 --> 01:50:40.070 how 13495 01:50:40.070 --> 01:50:40.400 about 13496 01:50:40.400 --> 01:50:40.610 let's 13497 01:50:40.610 --> 01:50:41.060 focus 13498 01:50:41.060 --> 01:50:41.330 on the 13499 01:50:41.330 --> 01:50:41.690 one 13500 01:50:41.690 --> 01:50:42.140 product, 13501 01:50:42.140 --> 01:50:42.500 the one 13502 01:50:42.500 --> 01:50:42.920 thing in 13503 01:50:42.920 --> 01:50:43.400 all those things 13504 01:50:43.400 --> 01:50:43.700 you just 13505 01:50:43.700 --> 01:50:44.330 listed 13506 01:50:44.330 --> 01:50:44.960 that 13507 01:50:44.960 --> 01:50:45.410 by 13508 01:50:45.410 --> 01:50:46.460 definition 13509 01:50:46.460 --> 01:50:46.790 is 13510 01:50:46.790 --> 01:50:47.240 designed 13511 01:50:47.270 --> 01:50:47.570 to 13512 01:50:47.570 --> 01:50:48.170 trick 13513 01:50:48.170 --> 01:50:49.010 your 13514 01:50:49.010 --> 01:50:49.700 immune 13515 01:50:49.700 --> 01:50:50.600 system. 13516 01:50:50.600 --> 01:50:50.960 If 13517 01:50:50.960 --> 01:50:51.410 you 13518 01:50:51.410 --> 01:50:51.890 stop someone 13519 01:50:51.920 --> 01:50:52.370 on the street 13520 01:50:52.370 --> 01:50:52.550 and 13521 01:50:52.550 --> 01:50:53.060 say, 13522 01:50:53.060 --> 01:50:53.480 what does 13523 01:50:53.480 --> 01:50:53.960 a vaccine 13524 01:50:53.990 --> 01:50:54.260 do? 13525 01:50:54.260 --> 01:50:54.710 Well, I 13526 01:50:54.710 --> 01:50:55.130 don't know. I 13527 01:50:55.130 --> 01:50:55.520 mean, it's like 13528 01:50:55.520 --> 01:50:56.000 it takes a 13529 01:50:56.000 --> 01:50:56.300 little 13530 01:50:56.300 --> 01:50:56.660 part of a 13531 01:50:56.660 --> 01:50:57.110 virus, 13532 01:50:57.110 --> 01:50:57.230 I 13533 01:50:57.230 --> 01:50:57.770 guess, 13534 01:50:57.770 --> 01:50:58.160 and it 13535 01:50:58.160 --> 01:50:58.610 tricks my 13536 01:50:58.610 --> 01:50:58.880 immune 13537 01:50:58.880 --> 01:50:59.300 system to 13538 01:50:59.300 --> 01:50:59.720 thinking 13539 01:50:59.720 --> 01:51:00.200 I've had a 13540 01:51:00.200 --> 01:51:01.280 disease. 13541 01:51:01.700 --> 01:51:02.090 And 13542 01:51:02.090 --> 01:51:02.480 so 13543 01:51:02.480 --> 01:51:02.930 we trick 13544 01:51:02.930 --> 01:51:03.320 the immune 13545 01:51:03.320 --> 01:51:03.740 system, this is what 13546 01:51:03.740 --> 01:51:04.130 I say in 13547 01:51:04.130 --> 01:51:04.370 every 13548 01:51:04.370 --> 01:51:05.000 interview. 13549 01:51:05.030 --> 01:51:05.390 We 13550 01:51:05.390 --> 01:51:05.870 don't trick 13551 01:51:05.870 --> 01:51:06.260 that immune 13552 01:51:06.260 --> 01:51:06.740 system in a 13553 01:51:06.740 --> 01:51:07.220 child 13554 01:51:07.220 --> 01:51:07.430 one 13555 01:51:07.430 --> 01:51:08.060 time, 13556 01:51:08.060 --> 01:51:08.600 not 13557 01:51:08.600 --> 01:51:08.960 five 13558 01:51:08.990 --> 01:51:09.380 times, 13559 01:51:09.380 --> 01:51:09.740 not 13560 01:51:09.740 --> 01:51:10.070 ten 13561 01:51:10.070 --> 01:51:10.520 times, 13562 01:51:10.520 --> 01:51:10.820 not 13563 01:51:10.820 --> 01:51:11.210 20 13564 01:51:11.210 --> 01:51:11.570 times, 13565 01:51:11.570 --> 01:51:11.780 not 13566 01:51:11.780 --> 01:51:12.080 40 13567 01:51:12.080 --> 01:51:12.500 times, not 13568 01:51:12.500 --> 01:51:12.860 50 13569 01:51:12.860 --> 01:51:13.250 times, not 13570 01:51:13.250 --> 01:51:13.550 60 13571 01:51:13.550 --> 01:51:13.910 times, 13572 01:51:13.910 --> 01:51:15.140 72 13573 01:51:15.140 --> 01:51:15.590 times 13574 01:51:15.590 --> 01:51:15.860 right 13575 01:51:15.860 --> 01:51:16.280 now, 13576 01:51:16.280 --> 01:51:16.610 we are 13577 01:51:16.610 --> 01:51:17.030 tricking 13578 01:51:17.030 --> 01:51:17.150 the 13579 01:51:17.150 --> 01:51:17.540 immune 13580 01:51:17.540 --> 01:51:18.020 systems 13581 01:51:18.020 --> 01:51:18.290 of our 13582 01:51:18.290 --> 01:51:18.950 children, 13583 01:51:18.950 --> 01:51:19.280 and 13584 01:51:19.280 --> 01:51:19.670 we are 13585 01:51:19.670 --> 01:51:20.450 shocked 13586 01:51:20.450 --> 01:51:20.810 that 13587 01:51:20.810 --> 01:51:21.290 suddenly that 13588 01:51:21.290 --> 01:51:21.530 immune 13589 01:51:21.530 --> 01:51:21.980 system is 13590 01:51:21.980 --> 01:51:22.160 so 13591 01:51:22.160 --> 01:51:22.580 confused 13592 01:51:22.580 --> 01:51:22.730 it's 13593 01:51:22.730 --> 01:51:23.120 attacking 13594 01:51:23.120 --> 01:51:23.570 their own body. 13595 01:51:23.750 --> 01:51:24.170 Del, I'm going 13596 01:51:24.170 --> 01:51:24.650 to add 13597 01:51:24.650 --> 01:51:24.830 to 13598 01:51:24.830 --> 01:51:25.490 that, 13599 01:51:25.490 --> 01:51:25.940 what 13600 01:51:25.940 --> 01:51:26.360 you just 13601 01:51:26.360 --> 01:51:26.930 said, 13602 01:51:26.930 --> 01:51:27.260 and 13603 01:51:27.260 --> 01:51:27.500 that 13604 01:51:27.500 --> 01:51:27.860 is, 13605 01:51:27.860 --> 01:51:28.340 what 13606 01:51:28.340 --> 01:51:28.490 do 13607 01:51:28.490 --> 01:51:29.210 vaccines 13608 01:51:29.210 --> 01:51:29.630 do 13609 01:51:29.630 --> 01:51:29.900 in the 13610 01:51:29.900 --> 01:51:30.560 body? 13611 01:51:31.290 --> 01:51:31.800 They 13612 01:51:31.800 --> 01:51:32.250 cause 13613 01:51:32.250 --> 01:51:32.490 an 13614 01:51:32.490 --> 01:51:33.270 inflammatory 13615 01:51:33.270 --> 01:51:34.230 response. 13616 01:51:34.230 --> 01:51:34.500 By 13617 01:51:34.500 --> 01:51:35.010 design. 13618 01:51:35.010 --> 01:51:35.340 By 13619 01:51:35.340 --> 01:51:35.910 design, 13620 01:51:35.910 --> 01:51:36.120 an 13621 01:51:36.120 --> 01:51:36.930 inflammatory 13622 01:51:36.930 --> 01:51:37.740 response. 13623 01:51:37.740 --> 01:51:38.160 And 13624 01:51:38.160 --> 01:51:38.580 if you 13625 01:51:38.580 --> 01:51:38.910 have 13626 01:51:38.910 --> 01:51:39.390 genetic 13627 01:51:39.390 --> 01:51:40.620 predisposition 13628 01:51:41.100 --> 01:51:41.430 to 13629 01:51:41.430 --> 01:51:41.820 not be 13630 01:51:41.820 --> 01:51:42.180 able to 13631 01:51:42.180 --> 01:51:42.780 resolve 13632 01:51:42.780 --> 01:51:43.530 inflammatory 13633 01:51:43.530 --> 01:51:44.460 responses, 13634 01:51:44.460 --> 01:51:45.000 which 13635 01:51:45.000 --> 01:51:45.180 is 13636 01:51:45.180 --> 01:51:45.540 very 13637 01:51:45.540 --> 01:51:45.930 much 13638 01:51:45.930 --> 01:51:46.260 part 13639 01:51:46.260 --> 01:51:46.620 of 13640 01:51:46.620 --> 01:51:47.070 what they 13641 01:51:47.070 --> 01:51:47.520 all, they 13642 01:51:47.520 --> 01:51:47.820 know 13643 01:51:47.820 --> 01:51:48.210 now, 13644 01:51:48.210 --> 01:51:48.660 science 13645 01:51:48.660 --> 01:51:49.140 knows that 13646 01:51:49.140 --> 01:51:49.530 chronic 13647 01:51:49.530 --> 01:51:50.400 inflammation 13648 01:51:50.400 --> 01:51:50.880 is at 13649 01:51:50.880 --> 01:51:51.000 the 13650 01:51:51.000 --> 01:51:51.510 root 13651 01:51:51.510 --> 01:51:51.780 of 13652 01:51:51.780 --> 01:51:52.140 most 13653 01:51:52.140 --> 01:51:52.500 chronic 13654 01:51:52.500 --> 01:51:53.130 disease. 13655 01:51:53.130 --> 01:51:53.520 It's what 13656 01:51:53.520 --> 01:51:53.940 almost 13657 01:51:53.940 --> 01:51:54.300 all 13658 01:51:54.300 --> 01:51:54.720 modern 13659 01:51:54.720 --> 01:51:54.990 health 13660 01:51:54.990 --> 01:51:55.740 practitioners, 13661 01:51:55.740 --> 01:51:56.190 all, we're 13662 01:51:56.190 --> 01:51:56.430 all 13663 01:51:56.430 --> 01:51:56.910 trying to get 13664 01:51:56.910 --> 01:51:57.330 rid of our 13665 01:51:57.330 --> 01:51:57.930 inflammation. 13666 01:51:57.930 --> 01:51:58.400 So here 13667 01:51:58.400 --> 01:51:58.560 you 13668 01:51:58.560 --> 01:51:59.070 go. 13669 01:51:59.070 --> 01:51:59.310 You 13670 01:51:59.310 --> 01:51:59.700 have a 13671 01:51:59.700 --> 01:52:00.000 little 13672 01:52:00.000 --> 01:52:00.720 baby 13673 01:52:00.720 --> 01:52:01.110 in 13674 01:52:01.110 --> 01:52:01.230 the 13675 01:52:01.230 --> 01:52:02.010 womb, 13676 01:52:02.430 --> 01:52:02.970 and 13677 01:52:02.970 --> 01:52:03.480 now 13678 01:52:03.480 --> 01:52:03.690 they're 13679 01:52:03.690 --> 01:52:04.170 giving the 13680 01:52:04.170 --> 01:52:04.950 mother 13681 01:52:04.950 --> 01:52:06.420 vaccines. 13682 01:52:07.310 --> 01:52:07.730 And 13683 01:52:07.730 --> 01:52:08.030 that's 13684 01:52:08.030 --> 01:52:08.510 causing an 13685 01:52:08.510 --> 01:52:09.200 inflammatory 13686 01:52:09.200 --> 01:52:09.740 response 13687 01:52:09.740 --> 01:52:10.040 in that 13688 01:52:10.040 --> 01:52:10.370 mother's 13689 01:52:10.370 --> 01:52:11.060 body. 13690 01:52:11.640 --> 01:52:12.060 And 13691 01:52:12.060 --> 01:52:12.150 the 13692 01:52:12.150 --> 01:52:12.570 fetus 13693 01:52:12.600 --> 01:52:12.750 is 13694 01:52:12.750 --> 01:52:13.740 developing. 13695 01:52:14.100 --> 01:52:14.460 God 13696 01:52:14.460 --> 01:52:14.910 knows what's 13697 01:52:14.910 --> 01:52:15.300 happening 13698 01:52:15.300 --> 01:52:15.570 with the 13699 01:52:15.570 --> 01:52:15.860 fetus, 13700 01:52:15.860 --> 01:52:16.290 they're not 13701 01:52:16.290 --> 01:52:16.680 looking 13702 01:52:16.680 --> 01:52:17.100 at it or 13703 01:52:17.100 --> 01:52:17.550 if they are, 13704 01:52:17.550 --> 01:52:17.910 they're not 13705 01:52:17.910 --> 01:52:19.020 telling. 13706 01:52:19.680 --> 01:52:20.130 The 13707 01:52:20.130 --> 01:52:20.610 baby 13708 01:52:20.610 --> 01:52:20.790 is 13709 01:52:20.790 --> 01:52:21.570 born 13710 01:52:21.570 --> 01:52:22.020 . At 13711 01:52:22.020 --> 01:52:22.390 12 13712 01:52:22.390 --> 01:52:22.770 hours 13713 01:52:22.770 --> 01:52:22.920 of 13714 01:52:22.920 --> 01:52:23.340 age 13715 01:52:23.340 --> 01:52:23.610 in the 13716 01:52:23.610 --> 01:52:24.030 newborn 13717 01:52:24.030 --> 01:52:25.160 nursery, 13718 01:52:25.160 --> 01:52:25.500 the 13719 01:52:25.500 --> 01:52:26.040 first 13720 01:52:26.040 --> 01:52:27.060 immunological 13721 01:52:27.060 --> 01:52:28.430 assault, 13722 01:52:28.430 --> 01:52:28.980 they 13723 01:52:28.980 --> 01:52:29.430 inject 13724 01:52:29.430 --> 01:52:29.910 that baby 13725 01:52:29.910 --> 01:52:30.180 with 13726 01:52:30.180 --> 01:52:30.810 hepatitis 13727 01:52:30.840 --> 01:52:31.020 B 13728 01:52:31.020 --> 01:52:31.680 vaccine, 13729 01:52:31.680 --> 01:52:32.130 even 13730 01:52:32.130 --> 01:52:32.460 though in 13731 01:52:32.460 --> 01:52:33.630 1991 13732 01:52:33.630 --> 01:52:34.050 we 13733 01:52:34.050 --> 01:52:34.260 had 13734 01:52:34.260 --> 01:52:34.620 almost 13735 01:52:34.620 --> 01:52:34.920 no 13736 01:52:34.920 --> 01:52:35.520 hepatitis 13737 01:52:35.550 --> 01:52:35.760 B 13738 01:52:35.760 --> 01:52:36.150 here, 13739 01:52:36.150 --> 01:52:36.540 one of 13740 01:52:36.540 --> 01:52:36.660 the 13741 01:52:36.660 --> 01:52:37.050 lowest 13742 01:52:37.050 --> 01:52:37.410 rates of 13743 01:52:37.410 --> 01:52:37.950 hepatitis 13744 01:52:37.980 --> 01:52:38.340 B in the 13745 01:52:38.340 --> 01:52:38.940 world. 13746 01:52:39.090 --> 01:52:39.570 Mothers 13747 01:52:39.570 --> 01:52:39.780 are 13748 01:52:39.780 --> 01:52:40.290 tested 13749 01:52:40.290 --> 01:52:40.590 for 13750 01:52:40.590 --> 01:52:41.040 hepatitis 13751 01:52:41.070 --> 01:52:41.520 B before they 13752 01:52:41.520 --> 01:52:41.970 give birth, 13753 01:52:41.970 --> 01:52:42.300 so there's 13754 01:52:42.300 --> 01:52:42.660 no 13755 01:52:42.660 --> 01:52:43.140 reason 13756 01:52:43.140 --> 01:52:43.290 to use this product. 13757 01:52:43.290 --> 01:52:43.590 We're going to 13758 01:52:43.590 --> 01:52:43.980 give the b 13759 01:52:43.980 --> 01:52:44.450 abies, 13760 01:52:44.450 --> 01:52:44.520 a 13761 01:52:44.760 --> 01:52:45.120 nd 13762 01:52:45.120 --> 01:52:45.570 I'll tell 13763 01:52:45.570 --> 01:52:45.960 you why 13764 01:52:45.960 --> 01:52:46.170 that 13765 01:52:46.170 --> 01:52:46.890 happened. 13766 01:52:46.890 --> 01:52:47.340 I 13767 01:52:47.340 --> 01:52:47.700 was 13768 01:52:47.700 --> 01:52:48.150 at, in 13769 01:52:48.150 --> 01:52:50.610 1985, 13770 01:52:50.610 --> 01:52:50.970 I 13771 01:52:50.970 --> 01:52:51.390 went to 13772 01:52:51.390 --> 01:52:51.570 the 13773 01:52:51.570 --> 01:52:52.140 ACIP 13774 01:52:52.140 --> 01:52:52.830 committee 13775 01:52:52.830 --> 01:52:53.310 with 13776 01:52:53.310 --> 01:52:53.400 a 13777 01:52:53.400 --> 01:52:53.940 mother 13778 01:52:53.940 --> 01:52:54.330 whose 13779 01:52:54.330 --> 01:52:54.780 baby had 13780 01:52:54.780 --> 01:52:55.260 died after 13781 01:52:55.260 --> 01:52:55.830 DPT, 13782 01:52:55.860 --> 01:52:56.190 her name 13783 01:52:56.190 --> 01:52:56.670 was Leslie 13784 01:52:56.670 --> 01:52:57.420 Chapman, 13785 01:52:57.870 --> 01:52:58.260 and 13786 01:52:58.260 --> 01:52:58.740 we were 13787 01:52:58.740 --> 01:52:59.100 going to 13788 01:52:59.100 --> 01:52:59.550 talk to them 13789 01:52:59.550 --> 01:52:59.880 about 13790 01:52:59.880 --> 01:53:00.330 that. 13791 01:53:01.680 --> 01:53:02.250 And 13792 01:53:02.250 --> 01:53:02.580 I 13793 01:53:02.580 --> 01:53:02.940 had to 13794 01:53:02.940 --> 01:53:03.330 listen 13795 01:53:03.330 --> 01:53:03.600 to 13796 01:53:03.600 --> 01:53:04.080 all of the 13797 01:53:04.080 --> 01:53:04.410 talk 13798 01:53:04.410 --> 01:53:04.890 before 13799 01:53:04.890 --> 01:53:05.280 we got 13800 01:53:05.280 --> 01:53:05.760 the chance 13801 01:53:05.760 --> 01:53:05.850 to 13802 01:53:05.850 --> 01:53:06.450 talk. 13803 01:53:07.030 --> 01:53:08.080 And 13804 01:53:08.080 --> 01:53:08.440 Merck 13805 01:53:08.440 --> 01:53:08.590 was 13806 01:53:08.590 --> 01:53:09.100 there. 13807 01:53:09.620 --> 01:53:10.040 And 13808 01:53:10.040 --> 01:53:10.520 the rep was 13809 01:53:10.520 --> 01:53:11.500 saying 13810 01:53:11.500 --> 01:53:11.870 to the 13811 01:53:11.870 --> 01:53:12.380 doctors, 13812 01:53:12.380 --> 01:53:12.680 to the 13813 01:53:12.680 --> 01:53:13.100 ACIP, 13814 01:53:13.100 --> 01:53:13.730 look. 13815 01:53:15.880 --> 01:53:16.390 We've 13816 01:53:16.390 --> 01:53:16.780 got this 13817 01:53:16.780 --> 01:53:17.290 hepatitis 13818 01:53:17.320 --> 01:53:17.470 B 13819 01:53:17.470 --> 01:53:18.280 vaccine. 13820 01:53:18.610 --> 01:53:18.970 If 13821 01:53:18.970 --> 01:53:19.450 you 13822 01:53:19.450 --> 01:53:19.900 can't 13823 01:53:19.900 --> 01:53:20.350 get 13824 01:53:20.350 --> 01:53:21.340 it 13825 01:53:21.340 --> 01:53:22.330 into 13826 01:53:22.330 --> 01:53:22.780 the 13827 01:53:22.780 --> 01:53:23.140 high 13828 01:53:23.140 --> 01:53:23.350 risk 13829 01:53:23.350 --> 01:53:24.400 populations, 13830 01:53:24.400 --> 01:53:24.850 which 13831 01:53:24.880 --> 01:53:25.180 at that 13832 01:53:25.180 --> 01:53:25.780 time 13833 01:53:25.780 --> 01:53:26.500 was 13834 01:53:26.500 --> 01:53:26.980 those 13835 01:53:26.980 --> 01:53:27.130 with 13836 01:53:27.130 --> 01:53:27.730 sexually, 13837 01:53:27.760 --> 01:53:28.000 who 13838 01:53:28.000 --> 01:53:28.450 had 13839 01:53:28.450 --> 01:53:28.990 multiple 13840 01:53:28.990 --> 01:53:29.380 sexual 13841 01:53:29.380 --> 01:53:30.040 partners, 13842 01:53:30.040 --> 01:53:30.550 IV 13843 01:53:30.550 --> 01:53:30.850 drug 13844 01:53:30.850 --> 01:53:31.210 users 13845 01:53:31.210 --> 01:53:31.660 was number 13846 01:53:31.660 --> 01:53:32.020 one 13847 01:53:32.020 --> 01:53:32.350 though, 13848 01:53:32.350 --> 01:53:33.040 okay. 13849 01:53:33.660 --> 01:53:34.260 You're 13850 01:53:34.260 --> 01:53:34.680 just going to 13851 01:53:34.680 --> 01:53:35.040 have to 13852 01:53:35.040 --> 01:53:35.430 pass a 13853 01:53:35.430 --> 01:53:35.880 law, make 13854 01:53:35.880 --> 01:53:36.330 sure to 13855 01:53:36.330 --> 01:53:36.720 pass 13856 01:53:36.720 --> 01:53:37.470 laws 13857 01:53:37.470 --> 01:53:37.920 to 13858 01:53:37.920 --> 01:53:38.340 shoot it in 13859 01:53:38.340 --> 01:53:38.460 the 13860 01:53:38.460 --> 01:53:38.880 arms 13861 01:53:38.880 --> 01:53:39.300 of every 13862 01:53:39.300 --> 01:53:39.750 high school 13863 01:53:39.750 --> 01:53:40.140 kid in the 13864 01:53:40.140 --> 01:53:40.800 country, 13865 01:53:40.800 --> 01:53:41.250 because 13866 01:53:41.250 --> 01:53:41.610 we're not 13867 01:53:41.610 --> 01:53:42.060 going to have 13868 01:53:42.060 --> 01:53:42.450 an orphan 13869 01:53:42.450 --> 01:53:42.840 drug on 13870 01:53:42.840 --> 01:53:42.960 our 13871 01:53:42.960 --> 01:53:43.650 hands. 13872 01:53:44.310 --> 01:53:45.030 Wow, 13873 01:53:45.030 --> 01:53:45.510 we didn't 13874 01:53:45.510 --> 01:53:45.810 make this 13875 01:53:45.810 --> 01:53:46.230 drug for 13876 01:53:46.230 --> 01:53:46.680 nothing, and 13877 01:53:46.680 --> 01:53:47.100 we can't 13878 01:53:47.100 --> 01:53:47.430 get 13879 01:53:47.430 --> 01:53:48.120 the 13880 01:53:48.540 --> 01:53:48.960 adults 13881 01:53:48.960 --> 01:53:49.410 to take 13882 01:53:49.410 --> 01:53:49.830 it that 13883 01:53:49.830 --> 01:53:50.190 should be 13884 01:53:50.190 --> 01:53:50.610 taking it, 13885 01:53:50.610 --> 01:53:51.030 so let's 13886 01:53:51.030 --> 01:53:51.450 give it to the 13887 01:53:51.450 --> 01:53:51.840 kids 13888 01:53:51.840 --> 01:53:52.020 . 13889 01:53:52.650 --> 01:53:52.890 They 13890 01:53:52.890 --> 01:53:53.370 said high 13891 01:53:53.370 --> 01:53:53.730 school 13892 01:53:53.730 --> 01:53:54.270 kids, 13893 01:53:54.270 --> 01:53:54.540 high 13894 01:53:54.540 --> 01:53:54.810 school 13895 01:53:54.810 --> 01:53:55.230 kids. 13896 01:53:55.230 --> 01:53:55.650 When 13897 01:53:55.650 --> 01:53:55.770 the 13898 01:53:55.770 --> 01:53:56.250 policy 13899 01:53:56.250 --> 01:53:56.550 came 13900 01:53:56.550 --> 01:53:56.880 out, 13901 01:53:56.880 --> 01:53:57.300 it was 13902 01:53:57.300 --> 01:53:58.050 newborns 13903 01:53:58.050 --> 01:53:58.540 at 12 13904 01:53:58.540 --> 01:53:58.980 hours of 13905 01:53:58.980 --> 01:53:59.550 age. 13906 01:53:59.550 --> 01:53:59.790 And the 13907 01:53:59.790 --> 01:54:00.150 vaccine 13908 01:54:00.150 --> 01:54:00.600 will never 13909 01:54:00.600 --> 01:54:01.020 last the 13910 01:54:01.020 --> 01:54:01.520 time, 13911 01:54:01.520 --> 01:54:01.800 they 13912 01:54:01.800 --> 01:54:02.250 know that 13913 01:54:02.250 --> 01:54:02.610 it wears 13914 01:54:02.610 --> 01:54:03.030 off in 13915 01:54:03.030 --> 01:54:03.390 the first 13916 01:54:03.390 --> 01:54:03.870 few years so 13917 01:54:03.870 --> 01:54:04.260 it's never 13918 01:54:04.260 --> 01:54:04.500 going to 13919 01:54:04.500 --> 01:54:04.800 get 13920 01:54:04.800 --> 01:54:05.190 to the 13921 01:54:05.190 --> 01:54:05.580 time that 13922 01:54:05.580 --> 01:54:05.880 they're an 13923 01:54:05.880 --> 01:54:06.420 adult. 13924 01:54:06.420 --> 01:54:06.750 And it 13925 01:54:06.750 --> 01:54:06.960 was 13926 01:54:06.960 --> 01:54:07.440 allowed 13927 01:54:07.440 --> 01:54:07.590 to 13928 01:54:07.590 --> 01:54:08.070 happen 13929 01:54:08.070 --> 01:54:08.610 because 13930 01:54:08.610 --> 01:54:09.480 nobody 13931 01:54:09.480 --> 01:54:09.960 has 13932 01:54:09.960 --> 01:54:10.410 any 13933 01:54:10.410 --> 01:54:11.160 oversight 13934 01:54:11.160 --> 01:54:11.400 on 13935 01:54:11.400 --> 01:54:11.850 this. 13936 01:54:11.850 --> 01:54:12.210 The 13937 01:54:12.210 --> 01:54:12.750 scientists 13938 01:54:12.750 --> 01:54:12.870 and 13939 01:54:12.870 --> 01:54:13.290 doctors 13940 01:54:13.290 --> 01:54:13.560 in this 13941 01:54:13.560 --> 01:54:13.920 country 13942 01:54:13.920 --> 01:54:14.190 are the 13943 01:54:14.190 --> 01:54:14.460 most 13944 01:54:14.460 --> 01:54:14.910 powerful 13945 01:54:14.910 --> 01:54:15.690 individuals 13946 01:54:15.690 --> 01:54:16.170 in the 13947 01:54:16.170 --> 01:54:17.070 country, 13948 01:54:17.070 --> 01:54:18.030 and that sure shows.... 13949 01:54:18.030 --> 01:54:18.400 In the world. I 13950 01:54:18.400 --> 01:54:18.750 think COVID just 13951 01:54:18.750 --> 01:54:19.140 proved in the 13952 01:54:19.140 --> 01:54:19.560 world. 13953 01:54:19.560 --> 01:54:20.040 It absolutely 13954 01:54:20.040 --> 01:54:20.490 showed with 13955 01:54:20.490 --> 01:54:21.150 COVID. 13956 01:54:21.150 --> 01:54:21.960 Alright. 13957 01:54:22.020 --> 01:54:22.860 We've 13958 01:54:23.490 --> 01:54:23.970 laid 13959 01:54:23.970 --> 01:54:24.360 out there's 13960 01:54:24.360 --> 01:54:24.780 so much, 13961 01:54:24.780 --> 01:54:25.230 but I do 13962 01:54:25.230 --> 01:54:25.710 want to talk 13963 01:54:25.710 --> 01:54:26.190 about one 13964 01:54:26.190 --> 01:54:27.130 thing, 13965 01:54:27.130 --> 01:54:27.840 before 13966 01:54:27.840 --> 01:54:28.260 I let you 13967 01:54:28.260 --> 01:54:28.740 go 13968 01:54:28.770 --> 01:54:29.040 . The 13969 01:54:29.040 --> 01:54:30.150 1986 13970 01:54:30.150 --> 01:54:30.600 Act, 13971 01:54:30.600 --> 01:54:30.900 I 13972 01:54:30.900 --> 01:54:31.170 think 13973 01:54:31.170 --> 01:54:31.500 now 13974 01:54:31.500 --> 01:54:31.920 hangs in 13975 01:54:31.920 --> 01:54:32.010 the 13976 01:54:32.010 --> 01:54:32.550 balance. 13977 01:54:32.550 --> 01:54:33.030 More and 13978 01:54:33.030 --> 01:54:33.240 more 13979 01:54:33.240 --> 01:54:34.020 people 13980 01:54:34.020 --> 01:54:34.530 now 13981 01:54:34.530 --> 01:54:35.790 recognize, 13982 01:54:35.910 --> 01:54:36.240 you 13983 01:54:36.240 --> 01:54:36.720 know, what 13984 01:54:36.720 --> 01:54:36.870 it's 13985 01:54:36.870 --> 01:54:37.290 become 13986 01:54:37.290 --> 01:54:37.770 at least, 13987 01:54:37.770 --> 01:54:38.250 for, you know, 13988 01:54:38.250 --> 01:54:38.490 we've 13989 01:54:38.490 --> 01:54:38.970 cleared up 13990 01:54:38.970 --> 01:54:39.240 what it 13991 01:54:39.240 --> 01:54:40.110 was 13992 01:54:40.110 --> 01:54:40.560 and 13993 01:54:40.560 --> 01:54:40.860 how it 13994 01:54:40.860 --> 01:54:41.460 became 13995 01:54:41.460 --> 01:54:41.820 what it's 13996 01:54:41.820 --> 01:54:42.390 become. 13997 01:54:42.390 --> 01:54:42.720 And 13998 01:54:42.720 --> 01:54:43.080 I 13999 01:54:43.080 --> 01:54:43.800 recognize 14000 01:54:43.800 --> 01:54:44.190 why you 14001 01:54:44.190 --> 01:54:44.490 were at the 14002 01:54:44.490 --> 01:54:44.970 table, and 14003 01:54:44.970 --> 01:54:45.330 I agree 14004 01:54:45.330 --> 01:54:45.750 with you, I 14005 01:54:45.750 --> 01:54:46.200 would have been at 14006 01:54:46.200 --> 01:54:46.680 that table, 14007 01:54:46.680 --> 01:54:47.100 too. 14008 01:54:47.100 --> 01:54:47.490 And 14009 01:54:47.490 --> 01:54:48.120 people 14010 01:54:48.120 --> 01:54:48.540 get upset 14011 01:54:48.540 --> 01:54:48.990 with me when 14012 01:54:48.990 --> 01:54:49.410 they see me 14013 01:54:49.410 --> 01:54:49.680 talk to 14014 01:54:49.680 --> 01:54:50.250 senators. 14015 01:54:50.250 --> 01:54:50.850 I'm 14016 01:54:51.150 --> 01:54:51.780 pragmatic, 14017 01:54:51.780 --> 01:54:52.140 like, I'm 14018 01:54:52.140 --> 01:54:52.620 trying to 14019 01:54:52.620 --> 01:54:52.980 fix a 14020 01:54:52.980 --> 01:54:53.430 system. You 14021 01:54:53.430 --> 01:54:53.610 know, 14022 01:54:53.700 --> 01:54:54.210 everyone 14023 01:54:54.210 --> 01:54:54.420 gets 14024 01:54:54.420 --> 01:54:54.840 blamed. 14025 01:54:54.840 --> 01:54:55.110 You 14026 01:54:55.110 --> 01:54:55.440 you 14027 01:54:55.440 --> 01:54:55.680 watch 14028 01:54:55.680 --> 01:54:56.130 someone when 14029 01:54:56.130 --> 01:54:56.430 Robert 14030 01:54:56.430 --> 01:54:56.730 Kennedy 14031 01:54:56.730 --> 01:54:57.090 Jr 14032 01:54:57.090 --> 01:54:57.570 will say, I'm 14033 01:54:57.570 --> 01:54:57.780 not 14034 01:54:57.780 --> 01:54:58.470 anti-vax. 14035 01:54:58.470 --> 01:54:58.920 Why is he 14036 01:54:58.920 --> 01:54:59.310 saying 14037 01:54:59.310 --> 01:54:59.640 that? 14038 01:54:59.640 --> 01:55:00.300 He's 14039 01:55:00.300 --> 01:55:00.990 trying 14040 01:55:00.990 --> 01:55:01.170 to 14041 01:55:01.170 --> 01:55:01.500 make 14042 01:55:01.500 --> 01:55:01.980 sense in 14043 01:55:01.980 --> 01:55:02.070 a 14044 01:55:02.070 --> 01:55:03.060 situation 14045 01:55:03.060 --> 01:55:03.330 and 14046 01:55:03.330 --> 01:55:03.720 trying to 14047 01:55:03.720 --> 01:55:04.110 get in a 14048 01:55:04.110 --> 01:55:04.530 room 14049 01:55:04.530 --> 01:55:04.860 and 14050 01:55:04.860 --> 01:55:05.280 deal with 14051 01:55:05.280 --> 01:55:06.180 science. 14052 01:55:06.180 --> 01:55:06.630 And by 14053 01:55:06.630 --> 01:55:07.050 the way, I 14054 01:55:07.050 --> 01:55:07.410 think to 14055 01:55:07.410 --> 01:55:07.800 say that 14056 01:55:07.800 --> 01:55:08.040 you're 14057 01:55:08.070 --> 01:55:08.790 anti-vax 14058 01:55:08.790 --> 01:55:09.240 is like 14059 01:55:09.240 --> 01:55:09.690 saying 14060 01:55:09.690 --> 01:55:10.140 the science 14061 01:55:10.140 --> 01:55:10.620 is settled 14062 01:55:10.620 --> 01:55:10.950 on the 14063 01:55:10.950 --> 01:55:11.340 opposite 14064 01:55:11.340 --> 01:55:11.910 side. 14065 01:55:11.910 --> 01:55:12.240 You 14066 01:55:12.240 --> 01:55:12.660 know, you're 14067 01:55:12.660 --> 01:55:13.050 saying 14068 01:55:13.050 --> 01:55:13.530 I'll never 14069 01:55:13.530 --> 01:55:13.800 touch 14070 01:55:13.800 --> 01:55:14.190 anything 14071 01:55:14.190 --> 01:55:14.400 no 14072 01:55:14.400 --> 01:55:14.700 matter 14073 01:55:14.700 --> 01:55:15.120 what. I 14074 01:55:15.120 --> 01:55:15.540 think the 14075 01:55:15.540 --> 01:55:16.020 science, if 14076 01:55:16.020 --> 01:55:16.350 I'm going to 14077 01:55:16.350 --> 01:55:16.650 ask the 14078 01:55:16.650 --> 01:55:16.860 other 14079 01:55:16.860 --> 01:55:17.340 side to 14080 01:55:17.340 --> 01:55:17.880 say, 14081 01:55:17.880 --> 01:55:18.330 I need 14082 01:55:18.330 --> 01:55:18.750 you to open 14083 01:55:18.750 --> 01:55:19.200 your mind that 14084 01:55:19.200 --> 01:55:19.620 the science 14085 01:55:19.620 --> 01:55:20.010 is never 14086 01:55:20.010 --> 01:55:20.400 settled, 14087 01:55:20.400 --> 01:55:20.820 I have to be 14088 01:55:20.820 --> 01:55:21.240 able to say, 14089 01:55:21.240 --> 01:55:21.720 my science 14090 01:55:21.720 --> 01:55:22.020 is never 14091 01:55:22.020 --> 01:55:22.410 settled. I'm 14092 01:55:22.410 --> 01:55:22.650 pretty 14093 01:55:22.650 --> 01:55:23.100 sure where 14094 01:55:23.100 --> 01:55:23.310 I'm 14095 01:55:23.310 --> 01:55:23.790 at, 14096 01:55:23.790 --> 01:55:24.210 but 14097 01:55:24.210 --> 01:55:24.420 I'm 14098 01:55:24.420 --> 01:55:24.900 open to 14099 01:55:24.900 --> 01:55:24.990 a 14100 01:55:24.990 --> 01:55:25.740 conversation. 14101 01:55:25.740 --> 01:55:26.190 And I 14102 01:55:26.190 --> 01:55:26.640 also say 14103 01:55:26.640 --> 01:55:27.060 this 14104 01:55:27.060 --> 01:55:27.480 . Talk to 14105 01:55:27.480 --> 01:55:27.780 me when 14106 01:55:27.810 --> 01:55:28.200 Ebola 14107 01:55:28.200 --> 01:55:28.350 is 14108 01:55:28.350 --> 01:55:28.710 sweeping 14109 01:55:28.710 --> 01:55:29.130 across the 14110 01:55:29.130 --> 01:55:29.430 United 14111 01:55:29.430 --> 01:55:29.760 States of 14112 01:55:29.760 --> 01:55:30.360 America 14113 01:55:30.360 --> 01:55:30.780 and you have a 14114 01:55:30.780 --> 01:55:31.140 vaccine 14115 01:55:31.140 --> 01:55:31.560 that actually 14116 01:55:31.560 --> 01:55:31.920 went and 14117 01:55:31.920 --> 01:55:32.340 was tested 14118 01:55:32.340 --> 01:55:32.610 against 14119 01:55:32.610 --> 01:55:33.360 placebo, 14120 01:55:33.390 --> 01:55:33.870 then let's 14121 01:55:33.870 --> 01:55:34.590 talk. 14122 01:55:34.590 --> 01:55:34.980 Right? So I'm not, you know. 14123 01:55:34.980 --> 01:55:35.400 I 14124 01:55:35.400 --> 01:55:35.850 completely 14125 01:55:35.850 --> 01:55:36.270 agree with 14126 01:55:36.270 --> 01:55:36.630 you. I 14127 01:55:36.660 --> 01:55:37.230 completely 14128 01:55:37.230 --> 01:55:37.620 agree with 14129 01:55:37.620 --> 01:55:38.010 you, and I 14130 01:55:38.010 --> 01:55:38.370 think it's 14131 01:55:38.370 --> 01:55:38.580 really 14132 01:55:38.580 --> 01:55:39.060 important for 14133 01:55:39.060 --> 01:55:39.420 everyone to 14134 01:55:39.420 --> 01:55:40.080 understand 14135 01:55:40.080 --> 01:55:40.380 who 14136 01:55:40.380 --> 01:55:40.710 has 14137 01:55:40.710 --> 01:55:41.070 watched 14138 01:55:41.070 --> 01:55:42.260 this, 14139 01:55:42.260 --> 01:55:42.600 is 14140 01:55:42.600 --> 01:55:43.050 that, 14141 01:55:43.050 --> 01:55:43.440 you know, 14142 01:55:43.440 --> 01:55:44.130 NVIC, 14143 01:55:44.130 --> 01:55:44.400 and I 14144 01:55:44.400 --> 01:55:44.850 know you're 14145 01:55:44.850 --> 01:55:45.240 in the same 14146 01:55:45.240 --> 01:55:46.610 position, 14147 01:55:46.610 --> 01:55:47.010 we do 14148 01:55:47.010 --> 01:55:47.400 not 14149 01:55:47.400 --> 01:55:47.580 tell 14150 01:55:47.610 --> 01:55:48.060 people 14151 01:55:48.060 --> 01:55:48.420 what to 14152 01:55:48.420 --> 01:55:49.080 do 14153 01:55:49.080 --> 01:55:49.320 . 14154 01:55:49.320 --> 01:55:49.680 We 14155 01:55:49.680 --> 01:55:50.520 support 14156 01:55:50.520 --> 01:55:51.000 full 14157 01:55:51.000 --> 01:55:51.270 and 14158 01:55:51.270 --> 01:55:51.600 accurate 14159 01:55:51.600 --> 01:55:52.440 information 14160 01:55:52.440 --> 01:55:52.800 and the 14161 01:55:52.800 --> 01:55:53.220 ability 14162 01:55:53.220 --> 01:55:53.700 to make 14163 01:55:53.700 --> 01:55:53.850 an 14164 01:55:53.850 --> 01:55:54.330 informed 14165 01:55:54.330 --> 01:55:54.510 and 14166 01:55:54.510 --> 01:55:54.930 volunteer 14167 01:55:54.960 --> 01:55:55.320 decision 14168 01:55:55.320 --> 01:55:55.620 without 14169 01:55:55.620 --> 01:55:55.890 being 14170 01:55:55.890 --> 01:55:56.520 sanctioned. 14171 01:55:56.520 --> 01:55:57.030 That 14172 01:55:57.030 --> 01:55:57.210 is 14173 01:55:57.210 --> 01:55:57.570 not 14174 01:55:57.570 --> 01:55:58.830 anti-vaccine, 14175 01:55:58.830 --> 01:55:59.340 that's 14176 01:55:59.340 --> 01:56:00.270 anti-forced 14177 01:56:00.270 --> 01:56:01.330 vaccination. 14178 01:56:01.330 --> 01:56:01.710 There 14179 01:56:01.710 --> 01:56:02.100 is a 14180 01:56:02.100 --> 01:56:02.520 difference 14181 01:56:02.520 --> 01:56:02.940 because I 14182 01:56:02.940 --> 01:56:03.420 agree with 14183 01:56:03.420 --> 01:56:03.900 you, I have 14184 01:56:03.900 --> 01:56:04.170 always 14185 01:56:04.170 --> 01:56:04.830 said, 14186 01:56:05.130 --> 01:56:05.610 you know, if 14187 01:56:05.610 --> 01:56:05.940 there was 14188 01:56:05.940 --> 01:56:06.510 hemorrhagic 14189 01:56:06.510 --> 01:56:06.960 fever 14190 01:56:06.960 --> 01:56:07.320 and then 14191 01:56:07.320 --> 01:56:07.710 people were 14192 01:56:07.710 --> 01:56:08.070 bleeding 14193 01:56:08.070 --> 01:56:08.430 out in the 14194 01:56:08.430 --> 01:56:10.240 streets, 14195 01:56:10.240 --> 01:56:10.780 I'd 14196 01:56:10.780 --> 01:56:11.260 have to take a 14197 01:56:11.260 --> 01:56:11.710 hard look 14198 01:56:11.710 --> 01:56:11.890 at 14199 01:56:11.890 --> 01:56:12.580 it, 14200 01:56:12.580 --> 01:56:13.000 you 14201 01:56:13.000 --> 01:56:13.450 know 14202 01:56:13.450 --> 01:56:13.690 . I 14203 01:56:13.690 --> 01:56:13.990 mean, 14204 01:56:13.990 --> 01:56:14.700 so, 14205 01:56:14.700 --> 01:56:16.260 pragmatism, 14206 01:56:16.260 --> 01:56:16.830 rational 14207 01:56:16.830 --> 01:56:17.490 thinking 14208 01:56:17.490 --> 01:56:17.820 has 14209 01:56:17.820 --> 01:56:18.120 been 14210 01:56:18.120 --> 01:56:18.630 completely 14211 01:56:18.630 --> 01:56:19.260 suspended 14212 01:56:19.260 --> 01:56:19.710 here. 14213 01:56:20.340 --> 01:56:20.670 You 14214 01:56:20.670 --> 01:56:21.150 know. 14215 01:56:21.150 --> 01:56:21.450 Well what I 14216 01:56:21.450 --> 01:56:21.810 think is 14217 01:56:21.810 --> 01:56:22.170 beautiful 14218 01:56:22.170 --> 01:56:22.530 about 14219 01:56:22.530 --> 01:56:23.070 COVID 14220 01:56:23.070 --> 01:56:23.370 and all 14221 01:56:23.370 --> 01:56:23.610 this 14222 01:56:23.610 --> 01:56:23.880 is 14223 01:56:23.880 --> 01:56:24.870 finally, 14224 01:56:24.870 --> 01:56:25.710 slowly 14225 01:56:25.710 --> 01:56:25.890 but 14226 01:56:25.890 --> 01:56:26.730 surely, 14227 01:56:26.730 --> 01:56:27.270 more 14228 01:56:27.270 --> 01:56:27.750 and more people 14229 01:56:27.750 --> 01:56:27.870 are 14230 01:56:27.870 --> 01:56:28.290 realizing 14231 01:56:28.290 --> 01:56:28.650 that we're 14232 01:56:28.650 --> 01:56:28.920 on the 14233 01:56:28.920 --> 01:56:29.400 rational 14234 01:56:29.400 --> 01:56:29.880 side, that 14235 01:56:29.880 --> 01:56:30.330 we're on the 14236 01:56:30.330 --> 01:56:30.750 reasonable 14237 01:56:30.750 --> 01:56:31.230 side, and we're 14238 01:56:31.230 --> 01:56:31.410 just 14239 01:56:31.410 --> 01:56:31.800 asking 14240 01:56:31.800 --> 01:56:32.280 for decent 14241 01:56:32.280 --> 01:56:32.730 science. 14242 01:56:32.730 --> 01:56:32.940 I mean, 14243 01:56:32.940 --> 01:56:33.570 that's 14244 01:56:33.570 --> 01:56:34.050 really 14245 01:56:34.050 --> 01:56:34.170 the 14246 01:56:34.170 --> 01:56:34.710 case. 14247 01:56:34.710 --> 01:56:35.160 I mean, 14248 01:56:35.160 --> 01:56:35.640 when 14249 01:56:35.640 --> 01:56:36.000 someone 14250 01:56:36.000 --> 01:56:36.390 says, you 14251 01:56:36.390 --> 01:56:36.720 know, is 14252 01:56:36.720 --> 01:56:36.960 there a 14253 01:56:36.960 --> 01:56:37.650 vaccine, 14254 01:56:37.650 --> 01:56:38.490 you 14255 01:56:38.490 --> 01:56:38.760 have to 14256 01:56:38.760 --> 01:56:39.210 admit there's 14257 01:56:39.210 --> 01:56:39.420 some 14258 01:56:39.420 --> 01:56:39.840 vaccine 14259 01:56:39.840 --> 01:56:40.280 you like, 14260 01:56:40.280 --> 01:56:40.710 and I say, 14261 01:56:40.710 --> 01:56:41.130 I'll tell you 14262 01:56:41.130 --> 01:56:41.550 this, 14263 01:56:41.550 --> 01:56:41.970 there's not 14264 01:56:41.970 --> 01:56:42.090 a 14265 01:56:42.090 --> 01:56:42.480 single 14266 01:56:42.480 --> 01:56:42.870 vaccine 14267 01:56:42.870 --> 01:56:43.320 that's been through 14268 01:56:43.320 --> 01:56:43.740 a safety 14269 01:56:43.740 --> 01:56:44.220 study and 14270 01:56:44.220 --> 01:56:44.520 until 14271 01:56:44.520 --> 01:56:44.760 that 14272 01:56:44.760 --> 01:56:45.630 happens, 14273 01:56:45.630 --> 01:56:46.200 I 14274 01:56:46.200 --> 01:56:46.440 will 14275 01:56:46.440 --> 01:56:46.830 say, 14276 01:56:46.830 --> 01:56:47.220 I don't, 14277 01:56:47.220 --> 01:56:47.550 I just 14278 01:56:47.550 --> 01:56:47.820 make a 14279 01:56:47.820 --> 01:56:48.240 habit, 14280 01:56:48.240 --> 01:56:48.540 I don't 14281 01:56:48.540 --> 01:56:48.840 inject 14282 01:56:48.840 --> 01:56:49.290 myself with 14283 01:56:49.290 --> 01:56:49.710 products that 14284 01:56:49.710 --> 01:56:50.130 don't do 14285 01:56:50.130 --> 01:56:50.430 safety 14286 01:56:50.430 --> 01:56:50.940 studies, 14287 01:56:50.940 --> 01:56:51.270 and I 14288 01:56:51.270 --> 01:56:51.720 definitely don't 14289 01:56:51.720 --> 01:56:52.140 put those into 14290 01:56:52.140 --> 01:56:52.590 my kids. 14291 01:56:52.590 --> 01:56:52.890 When you're 14292 01:56:52.890 --> 01:56:53.160 talking 14293 01:56:53.160 --> 01:56:53.520 about the 14294 01:56:53.520 --> 01:56:54.360 science 14295 01:56:55.110 --> 01:56:55.590 and 14296 01:56:55.590 --> 01:56:55.770 the 14297 01:56:55.770 --> 01:56:56.310 issues 14298 01:56:56.310 --> 01:56:56.490 of 14299 01:56:56.490 --> 01:56:56.880 the 14300 01:56:56.880 --> 01:56:57.270 Institute 14301 01:56:57.270 --> 01:56:57.390 of 14302 01:56:57.390 --> 01:56:58.080 Medicine, 14303 01:56:58.080 --> 01:56:58.440 who 14304 01:56:58.440 --> 01:56:58.830 issued a 14305 01:56:58.830 --> 01:56:59.250 series of 14306 01:56:59.250 --> 01:56:59.670 reports 14307 01:56:59.670 --> 01:57:00.250 between 14308 01:57:00.250 --> 01:57:00.820 1991 14309 01:57:00.820 --> 01:57:01.400 and 14310 01:57:01.400 --> 01:57:01.980 2013, 14311 01:57:01.980 --> 01:57:02.550 because 14312 01:57:02.550 --> 01:57:02.940 we put 14313 01:57:02.940 --> 01:57:03.120 that 14314 01:57:03.120 --> 01:57:03.540 research 14315 01:57:03.540 --> 01:57:04.050 provision 14316 01:57:04.050 --> 01:57:04.470 in that 14317 01:57:04.470 --> 01:57:04.920 law 14318 01:57:04.920 --> 01:57:05.370 for the 14319 01:57:05.370 --> 01:57:05.790 IOM 14320 01:57:05.790 --> 01:57:05.910 to 14321 01:57:05.910 --> 01:57:06.450 do 14322 01:57:07.980 --> 01:57:08.280 a 14323 01:57:08.280 --> 01:57:08.760 study 14324 01:57:08.760 --> 01:57:09.150 of 14325 01:57:09.150 --> 01:57:09.330 the 14326 01:57:09.330 --> 01:57:09.840 evidence 14327 01:57:09.840 --> 01:57:10.050 on 14328 01:57:10.050 --> 01:57:10.530 vaccine 14329 01:57:10.530 --> 01:57:11.340 safety. 14330 01:57:11.340 --> 01:57:11.850 Okay, 14331 01:57:11.850 --> 01:57:12.210 in their 14332 01:57:12.210 --> 01:57:13.740 2013, 14333 01:57:13.740 --> 01:57:14.460 last 14334 01:57:14.460 --> 01:57:14.910 report 14335 01:57:14.910 --> 01:57:15.270 that they 14336 01:57:15.270 --> 01:57:15.900 did, 14337 01:57:16.260 --> 01:57:16.770 they 14338 01:57:16.770 --> 01:57:17.130 looked 14339 01:57:17.130 --> 01:57:17.490 at the 14340 01:57:17.490 --> 01:57:18.090 childhood 14341 01:57:18.090 --> 01:57:18.600 vaccine 14342 01:57:18.600 --> 01:57:19.260 schedule 14343 01:57:19.260 --> 01:57:19.620 for 14344 01:57:19.620 --> 01:57:19.950 kids 14345 01:57:19.950 --> 01:57:20.220 from 14346 01:57:20.220 --> 01:57:20.640 zero, 14347 01:57:20.640 --> 01:57:20.880 from 14348 01:57:20.880 --> 01:57:21.270 birth 14349 01:57:21.270 --> 01:57:21.690 to age 14350 01:57:21.690 --> 01:57:22.410 six. 14351 01:57:22.710 --> 01:57:23.220 And 14352 01:57:23.220 --> 01:57:23.580 here 14353 01:57:23.580 --> 01:57:23.880 is the 14354 01:57:23.880 --> 01:57:24.390 conclusion 14355 01:57:24.390 --> 01:57:24.750 that came 14356 01:57:24.750 --> 01:57:25.080 out with, 14357 01:57:25.080 --> 01:57:25.560 because there 14358 01:57:25.560 --> 01:57:25.710 were 14359 01:57:25.710 --> 01:57:26.100 only 14360 01:57:26.100 --> 01:57:26.640 40 14361 01:57:26.640 --> 01:57:27.660 studies 14362 01:57:27.810 --> 01:57:28.350 in 14363 01:57:28.350 --> 01:57:28.830 the medical 14364 01:57:28.830 --> 01:57:29.280 literature 14365 01:57:29.280 --> 01:57:29.490 that 14366 01:57:29.490 --> 01:57:29.970 looked at 14367 01:57:29.970 --> 01:57:30.090 the 14368 01:57:30.090 --> 01:57:30.990 schedule. 14369 01:57:30.990 --> 01:57:31.530 And 14370 01:57:31.530 --> 01:57:31.950 here 14371 01:57:31.950 --> 01:57:32.250 are the 14372 01:57:32.250 --> 01:57:32.970 outstanding 14373 01:57:32.970 --> 01:57:33.540 questions 14374 01:57:33.540 --> 01:57:33.930 about 14375 01:57:33.930 --> 01:57:34.560 vaccines 14376 01:57:34.560 --> 01:57:34.830 and 14377 01:57:34.830 --> 01:57:35.250 chronic 14378 01:57:35.250 --> 01:57:35.970 illness. 14379 01:57:35.970 --> 01:57:36.240 "The 14380 01:57:36.240 --> 01:57:37.110 2013 14381 01:57:37.110 --> 01:57:37.440 IOM 14382 01:57:37.440 --> 01:57:38.430 report...concluded 14383 01:57:38.430 --> 01:57:38.850 that there 14384 01:57:38.850 --> 01:57:39.240 is not 14385 01:57:39.240 --> 01:57:39.570 enough 14386 01:57:39.570 --> 01:57:40.170 scientific 14387 01:57:40.170 --> 01:57:40.830 evidence 14388 01:57:40.830 --> 01:57:41.160 to 14389 01:57:41.160 --> 01:57:41.640 determine 14390 01:57:41.640 --> 01:57:41.910 if the 14391 01:57:41.910 --> 01:57:42.480 recommended 14392 01:57:42.480 --> 01:57:42.780 child 14393 01:57:42.780 --> 01:57:43.260 vaccine 14394 01:57:43.260 --> 01:57:43.890 schedule" 14395 01:57:43.890 --> 01:57:44.250 --for 14396 01:57:44.250 --> 01:57:44.550 under 14397 01:57:44.550 --> 01:57:44.910 six-- 14398 01:57:44.910 --> 01:57:45.300 "is 14399 01:57:45.300 --> 01:57:45.690 or is 14400 01:57:45.690 --> 01:57:46.050 not 14401 01:57:46.050 --> 01:57:46.800 associated 14402 01:57:46.800 --> 01:57:47.190 with 14403 01:57:47.190 --> 01:57:47.310 the 14404 01:57:47.310 --> 01:57:47.910 development 14405 01:57:47.910 --> 01:57:48.240 of the 14406 01:57:48.240 --> 01:57:48.930 following 14407 01:57:48.930 --> 01:57:49.590 brain 14408 01:57:49.590 --> 01:57:49.830 and 14409 01:57:49.830 --> 01:57:50.160 immune 14410 01:57:50.160 --> 01:57:50.550 system 14411 01:57:50.550 --> 01:57:51.330 disorders 14412 01:57:51.330 --> 01:57:52.020 prevalent 14413 01:57:52.020 --> 01:57:52.410 among 14414 01:57:52.410 --> 01:57:52.830 children 14415 01:57:52.830 --> 01:57:53.700 today 14416 01:57:53.790 --> 01:57:54.930 ....Asthma, 14417 01:57:55.170 --> 01:57:56.100 Atopy, 14418 01:57:56.130 --> 01:57:57.120 Allergy, 14419 01:57:57.120 --> 01:57:58.350 Autoimmunity, 14420 01:57:58.350 --> 01:57:59.370 Autism, 14421 01:57:59.370 --> 01:57:59.940 Learning 14422 01:57:59.940 --> 01:58:00.690 Disorders, 14423 01:58:00.690 --> 01:58:01.620 Communication 14424 01:58:01.620 --> 01:58:02.310 Disorders, 14425 01:58:02.310 --> 01:58:03.150 Developmental 14426 01:58:03.150 --> 01:58:03.960 Disorders, 14427 01:58:03.960 --> 01:58:04.770 Intellectual 14428 01:58:04.770 --> 01:58:05.640 Disability, 14429 01:58:05.640 --> 01:58:06.210 Attention 14430 01:58:06.210 --> 01:58:06.690 Deficit 14431 01:58:06.690 --> 01:58:07.350 Disorder, 14432 01:58:07.350 --> 01:58:08.100 Disruptive 14433 01:58:08.100 --> 01:58:08.550 Behavior 14434 01:58:08.550 --> 01:58:09.270 Disorder, 14435 01:58:09.270 --> 01:58:09.750 Tics 14436 01:58:09.750 --> 01:58:10.200 and Tourette 14437 01:58:10.200 --> 01:58:10.980 Syndrome, 14438 01:58:10.980 --> 01:58:11.910 Seizures, 14439 01:58:11.910 --> 01:58:12.390 Febrile 14440 01:58:12.390 --> 01:58:13.140 Seizures, 14441 01:58:13.140 --> 01:58:13.380 [and] 14442 01:58:13.380 --> 01:58:14.220 Epilepsy." 14443 01:58:14.890 --> 01:58:15.370 And 14444 01:58:15.370 --> 01:58:16.270 that 14445 01:58:16.270 --> 01:58:16.750 is 14446 01:58:16.750 --> 01:58:16.900 a 14447 01:58:16.900 --> 01:58:17.680 scandal. 14448 01:58:17.710 --> 01:58:18.040 That was a 14449 01:58:18.040 --> 01:58:18.520 mic drop 14450 01:58:18.520 --> 01:58:18.700 right 14451 01:58:18.700 --> 01:58:19.240 there. 14452 01:58:20.410 --> 01:58:20.830 It is 14453 01:58:20.830 --> 01:58:20.920 a 14454 01:58:20.920 --> 01:58:21.910 scandal. 14455 01:58:21.940 --> 01:58:22.420 It's 14456 01:58:22.420 --> 01:58:22.540 a 14457 01:58:22.540 --> 01:58:23.020 scandal. 14458 01:58:23.020 --> 01:58:23.410 It's the 14459 01:58:23.410 --> 01:58:23.740 heart 14460 01:58:23.740 --> 01:58:24.130 of and 14461 01:58:24.130 --> 01:58:24.370 so 14462 01:58:24.370 --> 01:58:24.640 that 14463 01:58:24.640 --> 01:58:25.060 work that 14464 01:58:25.060 --> 01:58:25.210 you 14465 01:58:25.210 --> 01:58:25.990 did 14466 01:58:26.200 --> 01:58:26.590 is 14467 01:58:26.590 --> 01:58:26.950 what 14468 01:58:26.950 --> 01:58:27.610 ICAN 14469 01:58:27.610 --> 01:58:27.850 has 14470 01:58:27.850 --> 01:58:28.360 used 14471 01:58:28.360 --> 01:58:28.870 in, 14472 01:58:28.900 --> 01:58:29.080 you 14473 01:58:29.080 --> 01:58:30.070 know, 14474 01:58:30.070 --> 01:58:30.340 in the 14475 01:58:30.340 --> 01:58:30.940 provisions 14476 01:58:30.940 --> 01:58:31.480 that 14477 01:58:31.480 --> 01:58:31.810 there was 14478 01:58:31.810 --> 01:58:32.290 supposed to be 14479 01:58:32.290 --> 01:58:32.740 a task 14480 01:58:32.740 --> 01:58:33.370 force 14481 01:58:33.490 --> 01:58:33.970 put together 14482 01:58:33.970 --> 01:58:34.630 by 14483 01:58:34.630 --> 01:58:35.230 NIH, 14484 01:58:35.230 --> 01:58:35.740 CDC, 14485 01:58:35.770 --> 01:58:36.250 FDA, 14486 01:58:36.280 --> 01:58:36.610 never 14487 01:58:36.610 --> 01:58:37.480 happened, 14488 01:58:37.720 --> 01:58:38.020 or it 14489 01:58:38.020 --> 01:58:39.340 was disbanded.... 14490 01:58:39.340 --> 01:58:39.730 Well, they only went through, they did 14491 01:58:39.730 --> 01:58:40.150 a couple 14492 01:58:40.150 --> 01:58:40.600 of reports 14493 01:58:40.600 --> 01:58:40.900 but they 14494 01:58:40.900 --> 01:58:41.200 didn't 14495 01:58:41.200 --> 01:58:41.740 continue 14496 01:58:41.740 --> 01:58:41.920 it. 14497 01:58:41.920 --> 01:58:42.130 And 14498 01:58:42.130 --> 01:58:42.850 HHS 14499 01:58:42.880 --> 01:58:43.000 is 14500 01:58:43.000 --> 01:58:43.390 supposed 14501 01:58:43.390 --> 01:58:43.510 to 14502 01:58:43.510 --> 01:58:43.960 be 14503 01:58:43.960 --> 01:58:44.620 reporting 14504 01:58:44.650 --> 01:58:45.340 to 14505 01:58:45.340 --> 01:58:46.390 Congress 14506 01:58:46.390 --> 01:58:47.080 every 14507 01:58:47.080 --> 01:58:47.410 other 14508 01:58:47.410 --> 01:58:47.800 year 14509 01:58:47.800 --> 01:58:48.280 on all 14510 01:58:48.280 --> 01:58:48.580 the work 14511 01:58:48.580 --> 01:58:49.000 that's being 14512 01:58:49.000 --> 01:58:49.390 done to make 14513 01:58:49.390 --> 01:58:50.410 vaccines. 14514 01:58:50.410 --> 01:58:50.900 They never 14515 01:58:50.900 --> 01:58:51.370 met, not a 14516 01:58:51.370 --> 01:58:51.640 single 14517 01:58:51.640 --> 01:58:52.150 report. 14518 01:58:52.150 --> 01:58:52.390 We 14519 01:58:52.390 --> 01:58:52.840 FOIA'd for 14520 01:58:52.840 --> 01:58:53.110 them, 14521 01:58:53.110 --> 01:58:53.530 not a 14522 01:58:53.530 --> 01:58:53.830 single 14523 01:58:53.830 --> 01:58:54.400 report. 14524 01:58:54.400 --> 01:58:54.850 So 14525 01:58:54.850 --> 01:58:55.210 all the 14526 01:58:55.210 --> 01:58:55.780 provisions, 14527 01:58:55.780 --> 01:58:56.170 as you 14528 01:58:56.170 --> 01:58:56.500 said, 14529 01:58:56.500 --> 01:58:56.800 that 14530 01:58:56.800 --> 01:58:57.160 you 14531 01:58:57.160 --> 01:58:57.370 had, 14532 01:58:57.370 --> 01:58:57.820 and 14533 01:58:57.820 --> 01:58:58.240 I didn't 14534 01:58:58.240 --> 01:58:58.630 realize 14535 01:58:58.630 --> 01:58:59.020 this when we were 14536 01:58:59.020 --> 01:58:59.500 doing this work, 14537 01:58:59.500 --> 01:58:59.770 really, 14538 01:58:59.770 --> 01:59:00.250 that 14539 01:59:00.250 --> 01:59:00.820 those 14540 01:59:00.820 --> 01:59:01.420 provisions 14541 01:59:01.420 --> 01:59:01.720 we were 14542 01:59:01.720 --> 01:59:02.200 using to 14543 01:59:02.200 --> 01:59:02.620 show that the 14544 01:59:02.620 --> 01:59:02.980 government 14545 01:59:02.980 --> 01:59:03.430 is lying 14546 01:59:03.460 --> 01:59:03.880 to us, 14547 01:59:03.880 --> 01:59:04.360 that they're not 14548 01:59:04.360 --> 01:59:04.570 being 14549 01:59:04.600 --> 01:59:05.260 transparent 14550 01:59:05.260 --> 01:59:05.710 and they're not 14551 01:59:05.710 --> 01:59:06.280 doing 14552 01:59:06.280 --> 01:59:06.520 the 14553 01:59:06.520 --> 01:59:06.970 proper 14554 01:59:06.970 --> 01:59:07.390 work that 14555 01:59:07.390 --> 01:59:07.750 was 14556 01:59:07.750 --> 01:59:09.010 mandated, 14557 01:59:09.010 --> 01:59:09.490 you know, 14558 01:59:09.490 --> 01:59:09.880 upon 14559 01:59:09.880 --> 01:59:10.300 them by 14560 01:59:10.300 --> 01:59:10.420 the 14561 01:59:10.420 --> 01:59:10.990 '86 14562 01:59:10.990 --> 01:59:11.660 Act, 14563 01:59:11.660 --> 01:59:12.100 that 14564 01:59:12.100 --> 01:59:12.520 was 14565 01:59:12.520 --> 01:59:13.030 what 14566 01:59:13.030 --> 01:59:13.420 you were 14567 01:59:13.420 --> 01:59:13.880 doing when 14568 01:59:13.880 --> 01:59:14.290 you were in the 14569 01:59:14.290 --> 01:59:14.740 room. 14570 01:59:14.740 --> 01:59:15.070 And 14571 01:59:15.070 --> 01:59:15.430 so 14572 01:59:15.430 --> 01:59:15.910 your being 14573 01:59:15.910 --> 01:59:16.180 in that 14574 01:59:16.180 --> 01:59:17.080 room 14575 01:59:17.080 --> 01:59:17.530 has 14576 01:59:17.530 --> 01:59:17.950 allowed 14577 01:59:17.950 --> 01:59:18.610 us 14578 01:59:18.610 --> 01:59:18.850 the 14579 01:59:18.850 --> 01:59:19.420 ability 14580 01:59:19.420 --> 01:59:19.720 to 14581 01:59:19.720 --> 01:59:20.140 bring a 14582 01:59:20.140 --> 01:59:20.920 fantastic 14583 01:59:20.920 --> 01:59:21.370 lawyer in, 14584 01:59:21.370 --> 01:59:21.640 Aaron 14585 01:59:21.640 --> 01:59:22.180 Siri, 14586 01:59:22.390 --> 01:59:22.990 and 14587 01:59:22.990 --> 01:59:23.410 really 14588 01:59:23.410 --> 01:59:24.100 start 14589 01:59:24.100 --> 01:59:24.970 using 14590 01:59:24.970 --> 01:59:25.360 that. And 14591 01:59:25.360 --> 01:59:25.480 that 14592 01:59:25.480 --> 01:59:26.040 was, 14593 01:59:26.040 --> 01:59:26.590 that's 14594 01:59:26.590 --> 01:59:26.770 what 14595 01:59:26.770 --> 01:59:27.700 changed, 14596 01:59:27.700 --> 01:59:28.090 I think 14597 01:59:28.090 --> 01:59:28.390 that was 14598 01:59:28.390 --> 01:59:28.660 what 14599 01:59:28.660 --> 01:59:29.020 made 14600 01:59:29.020 --> 01:59:29.560 ICAN 14601 01:59:29.560 --> 01:59:30.160 different, 14602 01:59:30.160 --> 01:59:30.400 is 14603 01:59:30.400 --> 01:59:30.700 that 14604 01:59:30.700 --> 01:59:31.330 everyone 14605 01:59:31.330 --> 01:59:31.780 prior 14606 01:59:31.780 --> 01:59:31.900 to 14607 01:59:31.900 --> 01:59:32.380 ICAN, 14608 01:59:32.380 --> 01:59:32.800 as I was 14609 01:59:32.800 --> 01:59:33.220 coming into 14610 01:59:33.220 --> 01:59:33.580 this, I'd 14611 01:59:33.580 --> 01:59:33.820 made 14612 01:59:33.820 --> 01:59:34.330 VAXXED, 14613 01:59:34.330 --> 01:59:34.720 was 14614 01:59:34.720 --> 01:59:35.170 like the 14615 01:59:35.170 --> 01:59:35.740 '86 14616 01:59:35.740 --> 01:59:36.130 Act's the 14617 01:59:36.130 --> 01:59:36.440 worst, 14618 01:59:36.440 --> 01:59:36.880 we've got to 14619 01:59:36.880 --> 01:59:37.270 get rid of 14620 01:59:37.270 --> 01:59:37.750 it, we've got to 14621 01:59:37.750 --> 01:59:38.080 get rid 14622 01:59:38.110 --> 01:59:38.560 of it. 14623 01:59:38.560 --> 01:59:39.010 And 14624 01:59:39.010 --> 01:59:39.370 Aaron and 14625 01:59:39.370 --> 01:59:39.790 I sat 14626 01:59:39.790 --> 01:59:40.180 down. I 14627 01:59:40.180 --> 01:59:40.890 said, 14628 01:59:40.890 --> 01:59:41.320 how do 14629 01:59:41.320 --> 01:59:41.500 we 14630 01:59:41.500 --> 01:59:42.130 sue? 14631 01:59:42.130 --> 01:59:42.580 He says we're 14632 01:59:42.580 --> 01:59:42.910 going to do 14633 01:59:42.910 --> 01:59:43.330 something no 14634 01:59:43.330 --> 01:59:43.690 one's ever 14635 01:59:43.690 --> 01:59:44.140 thought of, we're 14636 01:59:44.140 --> 01:59:44.590 actually going to 14637 01:59:44.590 --> 01:59:44.920 use the 14638 01:59:44.920 --> 01:59:45.490 '86 14639 01:59:45.490 --> 01:59:45.970 Act. 14640 01:59:45.970 --> 01:59:46.450 We're going to 14641 01:59:46.450 --> 01:59:46.780 use the 14642 01:59:46.780 --> 01:59:47.290 provisions 14643 01:59:47.290 --> 01:59:47.590 that were 14644 01:59:47.590 --> 01:59:47.950 written in 14645 01:59:47.950 --> 01:59:48.340 it to 14646 01:59:48.370 --> 01:59:48.970 out 14647 01:59:48.970 --> 01:59:49.420 the government of 14648 01:59:49.420 --> 01:59:49.810 the United 14649 01:59:49.810 --> 01:59:50.080 States, 14650 01:59:50.080 --> 01:59:50.500 because they 14651 01:59:50.500 --> 01:59:50.950 didn't do 14652 01:59:50.950 --> 01:59:51.250 what they were 14653 01:59:51.250 --> 01:59:51.610 supposed to 14654 01:59:51.610 --> 01:59:51.970 do. 14655 01:59:51.970 --> 01:59:52.330 So 14656 01:59:52.330 --> 01:59:52.780 here's my 14657 01:59:52.780 --> 01:59:53.590 question. 14658 01:59:53.740 --> 01:59:54.190 You know, 14659 01:59:54.190 --> 01:59:54.760 we've 14660 01:59:54.760 --> 01:59:55.210 done 14661 01:59:55.210 --> 01:59:55.420 that 14662 01:59:55.420 --> 01:59:55.960 work. 14663 01:59:55.960 --> 01:59:56.380 We 14664 01:59:56.380 --> 01:59:56.680 have 14665 01:59:56.680 --> 01:59:57.130 taken the 14666 01:59:57.130 --> 01:59:57.550 words that 14667 01:59:57.550 --> 01:59:58.000 you put in 14668 01:59:58.000 --> 01:59:58.490 there and shown 14669 01:59:58.490 --> 01:59:58.750 that the 14670 01:59:58.750 --> 01:59:59.260 government 14671 01:59:59.260 --> 02:00:00.250 never, 14672 02:00:00.250 --> 02:00:00.910 ever 14673 02:00:00.910 --> 02:00:01.300 fixed the 14674 02:00:01.300 --> 02:00:01.750 problem, 14675 02:00:01.750 --> 02:00:01.990 which 14676 02:00:01.990 --> 02:00:02.350 was 14677 02:00:02.350 --> 02:00:02.770 you had 14678 02:00:02.770 --> 02:00:02.890 a 14679 02:00:02.890 --> 02:00:03.340 defective 14680 02:00:03.340 --> 02:00:03.880 product 14681 02:00:03.880 --> 02:00:04.300 that is 14682 02:00:04.300 --> 02:00:04.720 injuring 14683 02:00:04.720 --> 02:00:05.200 certainly 14684 02:00:05.200 --> 02:00:05.590 a group 14685 02:00:05.590 --> 02:00:05.800 of 14686 02:00:05.800 --> 02:00:06.490 children. 14687 02:00:06.490 --> 02:00:06.910 How 14688 02:00:06.910 --> 02:00:07.270 large 14689 02:00:07.270 --> 02:00:07.450 that 14690 02:00:07.450 --> 02:00:07.840 is, 14691 02:00:07.870 --> 02:00:08.260 is 14692 02:00:08.260 --> 02:00:08.500 for 14693 02:00:08.500 --> 02:00:08.800 another 14694 02:00:08.800 --> 02:00:09.300 debate, 14695 02:00:09.300 --> 02:00:09.670 and I don't 14696 02:00:09.670 --> 02:00:10.120 even think there's 14697 02:00:10.150 --> 02:00:10.390 enough 14698 02:00:10.390 --> 02:00:11.050 science, 14699 02:00:11.050 --> 02:00:11.500 clearly 14700 02:00:11.500 --> 02:00:11.800 not been 14701 02:00:11.800 --> 02:00:12.010 enough 14702 02:00:12.010 --> 02:00:12.580 science 14703 02:00:12.580 --> 02:00:13.030 to actually 14704 02:00:13.030 --> 02:00:13.330 come to a 14705 02:00:13.330 --> 02:00:13.750 conclusion 14706 02:00:13.750 --> 02:00:13.840 on 14707 02:00:13.840 --> 02:00:14.260 that. 14708 02:00:14.500 --> 02:00:14.980 But 14709 02:00:14.980 --> 02:00:15.880 now 14710 02:00:16.030 --> 02:00:16.600 that, 14711 02:00:16.600 --> 02:00:17.020 there are 14712 02:00:17.020 --> 02:00:17.590 crosshairs 14713 02:00:17.590 --> 02:00:17.860 on the 14714 02:00:17.860 --> 02:00:18.370 '86 14715 02:00:18.370 --> 02:00:18.820 Act, 14716 02:00:18.820 --> 02:00:19.240 there's 14717 02:00:19.240 --> 02:00:19.900 politicians 14718 02:00:19.900 --> 02:00:20.350 that are now 14719 02:00:20.350 --> 02:00:20.740 reaching 14720 02:00:20.740 --> 02:00:21.040 out 14721 02:00:21.040 --> 02:00:21.250 to 14722 02:00:21.250 --> 02:00:22.120 me 14723 02:00:22.120 --> 02:00:22.420 at 14724 02:00:22.420 --> 02:00:23.050 ICAN 14725 02:00:23.050 --> 02:00:23.530 and the law 14726 02:00:23.530 --> 02:00:24.300 firm, 14727 02:00:24.300 --> 02:00:24.790 we want to 14728 02:00:24.790 --> 02:00:25.210 take a look 14729 02:00:25.210 --> 02:00:25.420 at the 14730 02:00:25.420 --> 02:00:25.990 8'6 14731 02:00:25.990 --> 02:00:26.710 Act 14732 02:00:26.710 --> 02:00:27.790 and, 14733 02:00:27.790 --> 02:00:28.090 you 14734 02:00:28.090 --> 02:00:28.450 know, 14735 02:00:28.450 --> 02:00:28.900 either 14736 02:00:28.900 --> 02:00:29.260 amend 14737 02:00:29.260 --> 02:00:29.650 it or 14738 02:00:29.650 --> 02:00:30.070 change 14739 02:00:30.070 --> 02:00:30.460 it or 14740 02:00:30.460 --> 02:00:30.910 get rid of 14741 02:00:30.910 --> 02:00:31.150 it all 14742 02:00:31.150 --> 02:00:32.050 together. 14743 02:00:33.060 --> 02:00:33.780 What 14744 02:00:33.780 --> 02:00:34.020 do you 14745 02:00:34.020 --> 02:00:34.410 think 14746 02:00:34.410 --> 02:00:34.740 when we 14747 02:00:34.740 --> 02:00:34.980 think 14748 02:00:34.980 --> 02:00:35.370 about 14749 02:00:35.370 --> 02:00:36.090 abolishing 14750 02:00:36.090 --> 02:00:36.210 the 14751 02:00:36.210 --> 02:00:36.960 1986 14752 02:00:36.960 --> 02:00:37.470 Act? 14753 02:00:38.190 --> 02:00:38.550 The 14754 02:00:38.550 --> 02:00:38.970 way I 14755 02:00:38.970 --> 02:00:39.180 feel 14756 02:00:39.180 --> 02:00:39.570 about 14757 02:00:39.570 --> 02:00:39.690 it 14758 02:00:39.690 --> 02:00:40.080 is 14759 02:00:40.080 --> 02:00:40.650 that 14760 02:00:40.650 --> 02:00:41.130 this 14761 02:00:41.130 --> 02:00:41.400 is the 14762 02:00:41.400 --> 02:00:41.760 only 14763 02:00:41.760 --> 02:00:42.060 law 14764 02:00:42.060 --> 02:00:42.360 on the 14765 02:00:42.360 --> 02:00:43.280 books, 14766 02:00:43.280 --> 02:00:43.620 the 14767 02:00:43.620 --> 02:00:44.220 '86 14768 02:00:44.220 --> 02:00:44.700 Act is 14769 02:00:44.700 --> 02:00:45.090 the only 14770 02:00:45.090 --> 02:00:45.480 law on the 14771 02:00:45.480 --> 02:00:46.050 books 14772 02:00:46.050 --> 02:00:46.590 that 14773 02:00:46.590 --> 02:00:47.070 says 14774 02:00:47.070 --> 02:00:48.000 vaccines 14775 02:00:48.000 --> 02:00:48.450 that are 14776 02:00:48.450 --> 02:00:48.900 licensed 14777 02:00:48.900 --> 02:00:49.080 by 14778 02:00:49.080 --> 02:00:49.500 government 14779 02:00:49.500 --> 02:00:49.680 and 14780 02:00:49.680 --> 02:00:50.280 recommended 14781 02:00:50.280 --> 02:00:50.430 by 14782 02:00:50.430 --> 02:00:50.880 government 14783 02:00:50.880 --> 02:00:51.120 and 14784 02:00:51.120 --> 02:00:51.570 mandated 14785 02:00:51.570 --> 02:00:51.690 by 14786 02:00:51.690 --> 02:00:52.440 government 14787 02:00:53.010 --> 02:00:53.430 cause 14788 02:00:53.430 --> 02:00:53.850 injury and 14789 02:00:53.850 --> 02:00:54.270 death. 14790 02:00:54.970 --> 02:00:55.390 And 14791 02:00:55.390 --> 02:00:55.510 that 14792 02:00:55.510 --> 02:00:55.960 vaccine 14793 02:00:55.960 --> 02:00:56.260 safety 14794 02:00:56.260 --> 02:00:56.590 should be 14795 02:00:56.590 --> 02:00:56.890 made a 14796 02:00:56.890 --> 02:00:57.250 national 14797 02:00:57.250 --> 02:00:57.820 priority. 14798 02:00:57.850 --> 02:00:58.180 Have 14799 02:00:58.180 --> 02:00:58.390 they 14800 02:00:58.390 --> 02:00:59.200 fulfilled 14801 02:00:59.200 --> 02:00:59.650 what the 14802 02:00:59.650 --> 02:00:59.710 act 14803 02:00:59.920 --> 02:01:00.160 said? 14804 02:01:00.190 --> 02:01:00.760 No. 14805 02:01:02.010 --> 02:01:02.430 Did 14806 02:01:02.430 --> 02:01:02.850 they gut 14807 02:01:02.850 --> 02:01:03.090 it? 14808 02:01:03.090 --> 02:01:03.960 Yes. 14809 02:01:05.380 --> 02:01:05.650 D 14810 02:01:05.650 --> 02:01:05.980 id the 14811 02:01:05.980 --> 02:01:06.310 Supreme 14812 02:01:06.310 --> 02:01:06.730 Court do the 14813 02:01:06.730 --> 02:01:07.210 wrong thing? 14814 02:01:07.240 --> 02:01:08.020 Yes. 14815 02:01:09.190 --> 02:01:09.640 Is 14816 02:01:09.640 --> 02:01:09.820 the 14817 02:01:09.820 --> 02:01:10.420 answer 14818 02:01:10.420 --> 02:01:10.810 to 14819 02:01:10.810 --> 02:01:11.800 scrap 14820 02:01:12.130 --> 02:01:12.490 a 14821 02:01:12.490 --> 02:01:13.060 law 14822 02:01:13.540 --> 02:01:14.020 that 14823 02:01:14.020 --> 02:01:14.320 is the 14824 02:01:14.320 --> 02:01:14.680 only 14825 02:01:14.680 --> 02:01:15.430 one 14826 02:01:15.430 --> 02:01:16.000 that 14827 02:01:16.000 --> 02:01:16.390 says 14828 02:01:16.390 --> 02:01:17.020 vaccines 14829 02:01:17.020 --> 02:01:17.380 can 14830 02:01:17.380 --> 02:01:17.710 injure 14831 02:01:17.710 --> 02:01:17.890 and 14832 02:01:17.890 --> 02:01:18.310 kill, 14833 02:01:18.310 --> 02:01:18.580 and 14834 02:01:18.580 --> 02:01:19.090 has 14835 02:01:19.090 --> 02:01:19.330 a 14836 02:01:19.330 --> 02:01:19.780 number of 14837 02:01:19.780 --> 02:01:20.140 safety 14838 02:01:20.140 --> 02:01:20.860 provisions, 14839 02:01:20.860 --> 02:01:21.250 and 14840 02:01:21.250 --> 02:01:21.430 has 14841 02:01:21.430 --> 02:01:21.880 awarded 14842 02:01:21.880 --> 02:01:22.300 more than 14843 02:01:22.300 --> 02:01:22.640 5 14844 02:01:22.640 --> 02:01:23.110 billion, I 14845 02:01:23.110 --> 02:01:23.740 think, 14846 02:01:23.740 --> 02:01:24.220 even 14847 02:01:24.220 --> 02:01:24.580 though it's 14848 02:01:24.580 --> 02:01:24.910 not 14849 02:01:24.910 --> 02:01:25.660 enough 14850 02:01:27.130 --> 02:01:27.460 ? I 14851 02:01:27.460 --> 02:01:27.850 don't think 14852 02:01:27.850 --> 02:01:28.330 the answer 14853 02:01:28.330 --> 02:01:28.810 is to take 14854 02:01:28.810 --> 02:01:29.260 down that 14855 02:01:29.260 --> 02:01:29.830 law. 14856 02:01:30.480 --> 02:01:30.870 I 14857 02:01:30.870 --> 02:01:31.200 think the 14858 02:01:31.200 --> 02:01:31.620 answer is 14859 02:01:31.620 --> 02:01:31.920 to go 14860 02:01:31.920 --> 02:01:32.370 back to 14861 02:01:32.370 --> 02:01:32.610 what it 14862 02:01:32.610 --> 02:01:33.330 was. 14863 02:01:34.130 --> 02:01:34.610 If 14864 02:01:34.610 --> 02:01:35.030 it were, 14865 02:01:35.660 --> 02:01:35.960 if 14866 02:01:35.960 --> 02:01:36.440 it 14867 02:01:36.440 --> 02:01:36.920 would 14868 02:01:36.920 --> 02:01:37.220 be the 14869 02:01:37.220 --> 02:01:37.700 way it was 14870 02:01:37.700 --> 02:01:38.180 supposed to 14871 02:01:38.180 --> 02:01:38.690 be 14872 02:01:38.690 --> 02:01:39.290 before 14873 02:01:39.290 --> 02:01:39.590 it was 14874 02:01:39.590 --> 02:01:40.280 ruined, 14875 02:01:40.280 --> 02:01:40.640 you 14876 02:01:40.640 --> 02:01:41.060 would have 14877 02:01:41.060 --> 02:01:41.780 lawsuits. 14878 02:01:41.780 --> 02:01:42.110 You 14879 02:01:42.110 --> 02:01:42.290 would 14880 02:01:42.290 --> 02:01:42.680 definitely 14881 02:01:42.680 --> 02:01:42.890 have 14882 02:01:42.890 --> 02:01:43.340 lawsuits 14883 02:01:43.340 --> 02:01:43.520 on 14884 02:01:43.520 --> 02:01:44.090 mRNA 14885 02:01:44.090 --> 02:01:45.170 vaccines. 14886 02:01:45.530 --> 02:01:45.980 I would 14887 02:01:45.980 --> 02:01:46.280 just 14888 02:01:46.280 --> 02:01:46.790 caution 14889 02:01:46.790 --> 02:01:47.210 you to 14890 02:01:47.210 --> 02:01:47.540 take a 14891 02:01:47.540 --> 02:01:47.960 look at the 14892 02:01:47.960 --> 02:01:48.410 history, 14893 02:01:48.410 --> 02:01:48.920 because 14894 02:01:48.920 --> 02:01:49.370 past 14895 02:01:49.370 --> 02:01:49.580 is 14896 02:01:49.580 --> 02:01:51.200 prolog, 14897 02:01:51.200 --> 02:01:51.740 and 14898 02:01:51.740 --> 02:01:52.100 I think 14899 02:01:52.100 --> 02:01:52.280 it's 14900 02:01:52.280 --> 02:01:52.610 very, 14901 02:01:52.610 --> 02:01:52.850 very 14902 02:01:52.850 --> 02:01:53.360 important 14903 02:01:53.360 --> 02:01:53.570 for 14904 02:01:53.570 --> 02:01:53.900 this 14905 02:01:53.900 --> 02:01:54.590 generation, 14906 02:01:54.590 --> 02:01:55.160 those 14907 02:01:55.160 --> 02:01:55.550 who are 14908 02:01:55.550 --> 02:01:56.030 looking at 14909 02:01:56.030 --> 02:01:56.270 that 14910 02:01:56.270 --> 02:01:56.690 law 14911 02:01:56.690 --> 02:01:56.990 and 14912 02:01:56.990 --> 02:01:57.440 thinking that 14913 02:01:57.440 --> 02:01:57.890 it should come 14914 02:01:57.890 --> 02:01:58.760 down, 14915 02:01:59.540 --> 02:02:00.320 to 14916 02:02:00.320 --> 02:02:00.740 really 14917 02:02:00.740 --> 02:02:00.950 be 14918 02:02:00.950 --> 02:02:01.940 careful, 14919 02:02:02.150 --> 02:02:02.630 look 14920 02:02:02.630 --> 02:02:03.020 at who you're 14921 02:02:03.020 --> 02:02:03.500 coming up 14922 02:02:03.500 --> 02:02:04.610 against, 14923 02:02:04.610 --> 02:02:05.150 look 14924 02:02:05.150 --> 02:02:05.420 at 14925 02:02:05.420 --> 02:02:06.680 pragmatically 14926 02:02:06.680 --> 02:02:07.190 at 14927 02:02:07.190 --> 02:02:07.910 the 14928 02:02:07.910 --> 02:02:08.480 chances 14929 02:02:08.480 --> 02:02:08.690 for 14930 02:02:08.690 --> 02:02:09.170 success 14931 02:02:09.170 --> 02:02:09.320 or 14932 02:02:09.320 --> 02:02:10.040 failure 14933 02:02:10.040 --> 02:02:10.520 . 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What The 16722 02:16:22.200 --> 02:16:22.860 HighWire 16723 02:16:22.860 --> 02:16:23.520 is, 16724 02:16:23.550 --> 02:16:24.060 is 16725 02:16:24.060 --> 02:16:24.480 we are 16726 02:16:24.480 --> 02:16:25.170 transparent 16727 02:16:25.170 --> 02:16:25.530 about what 16728 02:16:25.530 --> 02:16:26.010 we're doing 16729 02:16:26.010 --> 02:16:26.370 here. 16730 02:16:26.370 --> 02:16:26.700 When 16731 02:16:26.700 --> 02:16:27.120 we see 16732 02:16:27.120 --> 02:16:27.600 an issue 16733 02:16:27.600 --> 02:16:27.930 that we're 16734 02:16:27.930 --> 02:16:28.440 reporting 16735 02:16:28.440 --> 02:16:28.770 on, 16736 02:16:28.770 --> 02:16:29.160 we 16737 02:16:29.160 --> 02:16:29.580 go and 16738 02:16:29.580 --> 02:16:30.030 we use the 16739 02:16:30.030 --> 02:16:30.480 legal 16740 02:16:30.480 --> 02:16:30.960 system to 16741 02:16:30.960 --> 02:16:31.170 do 16742 02:16:31.170 --> 02:16:31.530 something 16743 02:16:31.530 --> 02:16:31.950 about 16744 02:16:31.950 --> 02:16:32.370 it. 16745 02:16:32.850 --> 02:16:33.150 And 16746 02:16:33.150 --> 02:16:33.510 whatever 16747 02:16:33.510 --> 02:16:33.960 you call 16748 02:16:33.960 --> 02:16:34.350 that, 16749 02:16:34.350 --> 02:16:34.710 what I 16750 02:16:34.710 --> 02:16:35.070 call it 16751 02:16:35.070 --> 02:16:35.400 is The 16752 02:16:35.400 --> 02:16:35.880 HighWire 16753 02:16:35.880 --> 02:16:36.540 protocol, 16754 02:16:36.540 --> 02:16:36.930 totally 16755 02:16:36.930 --> 02:16:37.680 transparent 16756 02:16:37.680 --> 02:16:38.100 in front 16757 02:16:38.100 --> 02:16:38.190 of 16758 02:16:38.190 --> 02:16:38.610 you. 16759 02:16:38.610 --> 02:16:39.090 You 16760 02:16:39.090 --> 02:16:39.510 are making 16761 02:16:39.510 --> 02:16:39.690 this 16762 02:16:39.690 --> 02:16:40.080 happen. 16763 02:16:40.080 --> 02:16:40.290 We're 16764 02:16:40.290 --> 02:16:40.830 changing 16765 02:16:40.830 --> 02:16:41.430 laws, 16766 02:16:41.430 --> 02:16:41.640 we're 16767 02:16:41.640 --> 02:16:42.330 rewriting 16768 02:16:42.330 --> 02:16:42.730 things, 16769 02:16:42.730 --> 02:16:42.960 we're 16770 02:16:42.960 --> 02:16:43.410 setting 16771 02:16:43.410 --> 02:16:44.040 precedents 16772 02:16:44.040 --> 02:16:44.400 where 16773 02:16:44.400 --> 02:16:44.880 none 16774 02:16:44.880 --> 02:16:45.210 has ever 16775 02:16:45.210 --> 02:16:45.570 been set 16776 02:16:45.570 --> 02:16:46.050 before. 16777 02:16:46.050 --> 02:16:46.200 And 16778 02:16:46.200 --> 02:16:46.650 should 16779 02:16:46.650 --> 02:16:46.920 a 16780 02:16:46.920 --> 02:16:47.640 conversation 16781 02:16:47.640 --> 02:16:47.970 about the 16782 02:16:47.970 --> 02:16:48.570 '86 16783 02:16:48.570 --> 02:16:49.020 Act be on 16784 02:16:49.020 --> 02:16:49.470 the table, 16785 02:16:49.470 --> 02:16:49.920 I assure 16786 02:16:49.920 --> 02:16:50.340 you, 16787 02:16:50.370 --> 02:16:50.730 we 16788 02:16:50.730 --> 02:16:51.120 will have 16789 02:16:51.120 --> 02:16:51.990 representatives 16790 02:16:51.990 --> 02:16:52.140 and 16791 02:16:52.140 --> 02:16:52.560 lawyers 16792 02:16:52.560 --> 02:16:52.710 and 16793 02:16:52.710 --> 02:16:53.280 scientists 16794 02:16:53.280 --> 02:16:53.580 at 16795 02:16:53.610 --> 02:16:53.820 that 16796 02:16:53.820 --> 02:16:54.420 table 16797 02:16:54.420 --> 02:16:54.900 making 16798 02:16:54.900 --> 02:16:55.260 sure it's 16799 02:16:55.260 --> 02:16:55.470 done 16800 02:16:55.470 --> 02:16:55.890 right. 16801 02:16:55.890 --> 02:16:56.340 That's what you 16802 02:16:56.340 --> 02:16:56.520 can 16803 02:16:56.520 --> 02:16:57.180 expect 16804 02:16:57.180 --> 02:16:57.630 when you're 16805 02:16:57.630 --> 02:16:57.930 part of 16806 02:16:57.930 --> 02:16:58.350 this. 16807 02:16:58.350 --> 02:16:58.830 And 16808 02:16:58.830 --> 02:16:59.280 so 16809 02:16:59.280 --> 02:16:59.610 right 16810 02:16:59.610 --> 02:17:00.240 now, 16811 02:17:00.240 --> 02:17:00.540 as the 16812 02:17:00.540 --> 02:17:00.870 first 16813 02:17:00.870 --> 02:17:01.290 show in 16814 02:17:01.290 --> 02:17:02.370 2024, 16815 02:17:02.370 --> 02:17:02.790 I want to 16816 02:17:02.790 --> 02:17:03.240 ask you 16817 02:17:03.240 --> 02:17:03.690 to help 16818 02:17:03.690 --> 02:17:04.050 us get 16819 02:17:04.050 --> 02:17:04.500 this year 16820 02:17:04.500 --> 02:17:04.980 off to a 16821 02:17:04.980 --> 02:17:05.250 big 16822 02:17:05.250 --> 02:17:05.730 start. We've 16823 02:17:05.730 --> 02:17:06.120 got some 16824 02:17:06.120 --> 02:17:06.540 huge 16825 02:17:06.540 --> 02:17:07.050 lawsuits 16826 02:17:07.050 --> 02:17:07.530 we want to 16827 02:17:07.530 --> 02:17:08.070 bring. 16828 02:17:08.070 --> 02:17:08.400 There's 16829 02:17:08.400 --> 02:17:08.670 so 16830 02:17:08.670 --> 02:17:09.060 much that 16831 02:17:09.060 --> 02:17:09.450 needs to be 16832 02:17:09.450 --> 02:17:10.170 revealed. 16833 02:17:10.170 --> 02:17:10.470 Our 16834 02:17:10.470 --> 02:17:10.950 government 16835 02:17:10.950 --> 02:17:11.100 is 16836 02:17:11.100 --> 02:17:11.520 entrenched, 16837 02:17:11.520 --> 02:17:11.640 and 16838 02:17:11.640 --> 02:17:12.480 especially, 16839 02:17:12.480 --> 02:17:12.840 while 16840 02:17:12.840 --> 02:17:13.320 all these 16841 02:17:13.320 --> 02:17:14.310 politicians 16842 02:17:14.310 --> 02:17:14.730 and 16843 02:17:14.730 --> 02:17:14.940 a 16844 02:17:14.940 --> 02:17:15.420 couple of 16845 02:17:15.420 --> 02:17:15.780 them were 16846 02:17:15.780 --> 02:17:16.410 directly 16847 02:17:16.410 --> 02:17:16.860 involved 16848 02:17:16.860 --> 02:17:17.010 in 16849 02:17:17.010 --> 02:17:17.460 locking 16850 02:17:17.460 --> 02:17:17.610 us 16851 02:17:17.610 --> 02:17:18.000 down 16852 02:17:18.000 --> 02:17:18.150 and 16853 02:17:18.150 --> 02:17:18.600 rushing 16854 02:17:18.600 --> 02:17:19.080 vaccines 16855 02:17:19.080 --> 02:17:19.320 on the 16856 02:17:19.320 --> 02:17:19.830 market, 16857 02:17:19.830 --> 02:17:20.250 we 16858 02:17:20.250 --> 02:17:20.670 want the 16859 02:17:20.670 --> 02:17:21.090 truth to 16860 02:17:21.090 --> 02:17:21.570 be revealed 16861 02:17:21.570 --> 02:17:21.960 so that when 16862 02:17:21.960 --> 02:17:22.350 people 16863 02:17:22.350 --> 02:17:22.800 finally 16864 02:17:22.800 --> 02:17:23.160 vote 16865 02:17:23.160 --> 02:17:23.340 for 16866 02:17:23.340 --> 02:17:23.760 whoever 16867 02:17:23.760 --> 02:17:24.180 they vote 16868 02:17:24.180 --> 02:17:24.750 for, 16869 02:17:24.780 --> 02:17:25.200 they have 16870 02:17:25.200 --> 02:17:25.470 all the 16871 02:17:25.470 --> 02:17:25.920 facts on 16872 02:17:25.920 --> 02:17:25.980 the 16873 02:17:25.980 --> 02:17:26.610 table. 16874 02:17:26.610 --> 02:17:27.060 I hope you'll 16875 02:17:27.060 --> 02:17:27.540 do that with 16876 02:17:27.540 --> 02:17:27.840 us. And 16877 02:17:27.840 --> 02:17:28.290 so 16878 02:17:28.290 --> 02:17:28.650 right 16879 02:17:28.650 --> 02:17:28.950 now, 16880 02:17:28.950 --> 02:17:29.220 just 16881 02:17:29.220 --> 02:17:29.580 go 16882 02:17:29.580 --> 02:17:30.030 to the top 16883 02:17:30.030 --> 02:17:30.480 of the page, 16884 02:17:30.480 --> 02:17:30.750 hit 16885 02:17:30.750 --> 02:17:31.830 Donate, 16886 02:17:31.830 --> 02:17:32.190 and 16887 02:17:32.190 --> 02:17:32.490 for the 16888 02:17:32.490 --> 02:17:32.820 first 16889 02:17:32.820 --> 02:17:33.090 time 16890 02:17:33.090 --> 02:17:33.450 ever, 16891 02:17:33.450 --> 02:17:33.810 we're going to 16892 02:17:33.810 --> 02:17:34.230 ask you 16893 02:17:34.230 --> 02:17:34.470 for 16894 02:17:34.470 --> 02:17:36.000 $24 16895 02:17:36.000 --> 02:17:36.180 for 16896 02:17:36.180 --> 02:17:37.200 2024. 16897 02:17:37.200 --> 02:17:37.680 We'll hope 16898 02:17:37.680 --> 02:17:38.130 you'll 16899 02:17:38.130 --> 02:17:38.580 become 16900 02:17:38.580 --> 02:17:38.760 a 16901 02:17:38.760 --> 02:17:39.270 recurring 16902 02:17:39.270 --> 02:17:39.690 donor so 16903 02:17:39.690 --> 02:17:40.110 that we can 16904 02:17:40.110 --> 02:17:40.560 keep 16905 02:17:40.560 --> 02:17:41.280 doing 16906 02:17:41.280 --> 02:17:41.490 this 16907 02:17:41.490 --> 02:17:41.820 great 16908 02:17:41.820 --> 02:17:42.270 work. That 16909 02:17:42.270 --> 02:17:42.570 extra 16910 02:17:42.570 --> 02:17:42.990 dollar 16911 02:17:42.990 --> 02:17:43.350 is going to 16912 02:17:43.350 --> 02:17:43.740 make a 16913 02:17:43.740 --> 02:17:44.160 huge 16914 02:17:44.160 --> 02:17:44.850 difference, 16915 02:17:44.850 --> 02:17:45.240 I can 16916 02:17:45.240 --> 02:17:45.570 feel 16917 02:17:45.570 --> 02:17:45.960 it. 16918 02:17:45.960 --> 02:17:46.560 Welcome 16919 02:17:46.560 --> 02:17:46.950 to the New 16920 02:17:46.950 --> 02:17:47.490 Year. 16921 02:17:47.490 --> 02:17:48.030 Welcome 16922 02:17:48.030 --> 02:17:48.450 back 16923 02:17:48.450 --> 02:17:48.690 to The 16924 02:17:48.690 --> 02:17:49.350 HighWire. 16925 02:17:49.350 --> 02:17:49.560 We're 16926 02:17:49.560 --> 02:17:49.950 bigger, 16927 02:17:49.950 --> 02:17:50.160 we're 16928 02:17:50.160 --> 02:17:50.640 bolder 16929 02:17:50.640 --> 02:17:51.090 and better 16930 02:17:51.090 --> 02:17:51.420 than we've 16931 02:17:51.420 --> 02:17:51.840 ever been 16932 02:17:51.840 --> 02:17:52.560 before, 16933 02:17:52.560 --> 02:17:52.920 and 16934 02:17:52.920 --> 02:17:53.340 we can't 16935 02:17:53.340 --> 02:17:53.790 wait to 16936 02:17:53.790 --> 02:17:54.150 see 16937 02:17:54.150 --> 02:17:55.020 you 16938 02:17:55.020 --> 02:17:55.560 next 16939 02:17:55.560 --> 02:17:56.100 week.